Mary Bianco

Has anyone found anything that their kids will take when sick? Kids who
normally won't take anything at all?

I have two here that seem like they would rather die then take something to
ease their discomfort. I've tried different liquids, chewables, soft chews
and pills. The only thing I can get into them is colloidal silver, which may
make things not get worse but doesn't help with the symptoms. Other than
that and some saline nose spray, they sniff and snot and sneeze all over the
house and get anyone who isn't sick, sick. I have one like that now and I'm
desperately trying to keep everyone else healthy.

Any ideas?

Mary B





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In a message dated 11/28/02 10:47:19 PM Central Standard Time,
mummyone24@... writes:

> Has anyone found anything that their kids will take when sick? Kids who
> normally won't take anything at all?

We often have this problem. Right now my kids will only take medicine that
happens to be orange in color and flavor. It stinks. And of course, when
they get sick next time, they will demand another color.

My daughter, in particular, doesn't eat or drink during the first few days of
a bad cold or asthma attack. We just had croup here, it was awful. I resort
to threatening pedyalite and using a dropper. Usually before that I'll buy
all sorts of stuff that I think might be appealing or fun. Popsicles,
pudding, jello, different juices, it's all an exerice in futility. she tends
to vomit with mucus production and after that, all food and drink are bad.

We did find those lollipop cough drops this time around, they worked. Zinc
lozenges made for kids, I think. I didn't buy them. And carrot/apple vruit
juice worked this time.

It's a challenge. I'm sorry you are going through this now, today.

Elizabeth

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> In a message dated 11/28/02 10:47:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> mummyone24@... writes:
>
> > Has anyone found anything that their kids will take when sick? Kids
who
> > normally won't take anything at all?

I've had good luck mixing liquid anything in with a decent quantity of
mint chocloate chip ice cream... the coldness of the ice cream kind of
deadens the taste buds a bit, and it also seems to feel really good when
you're sick.

Hope your kids feel better soon!

Dar

Bill and Diane

I don't know if they still make it, but for a while you could get
tissues impregnated with antiseptic or antibiotic. Doesn't do a thing
for the noise or symptoms, of course, but the idea was to keep everyone
else in the family healthier. Also, wash those hands. Might get some
alchol gel or foam to use after each sneeze.

:-) Diane

>Has anyone found anything that their kids will take when sick? Kids who
>normally won't take anything at all?
>
>I have two here that seem like they would rather die then take something to
>ease their discomfort. I've tried different liquids, chewables, soft chews
>and pills. The only thing I can get into them is colloidal silver, which may
>make things not get worse but doesn't help with the symptoms. Other than
>that and some saline nose spray, they sniff and snot and sneeze all over the
>house and get anyone who isn't sick, sick. I have one like that now and I'm
>desperately trying to keep everyone else healthy.
>
>Any ideas?
>

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In a message dated 11/29/02 9:38:47 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Has anyone found anything that their kids will take when sick? Kids who
normally won't take anything at all? >>

Homeopathic remedies.

Ren
"The answers aren't important really...
What's important, is knowing all the questions."
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Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com

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My dad used to make us hot lemonade. Hot water and honey with lemon juice
squeezed into it.

My kids don't like meds, but as they've gotten older they favor NyQuil
gelcaps if they're really too sick to sleep. And most of them have tolerated
(all of them at one time or another) the orange-flavored Triaminic (sp?)
liquid, although it doesn't have a cough suppressant in it.


What about external stuff? There is some Johnson's baby-bath stuff with the
vaporous stuff like Vicks has, so just being in the bath with it cleans out
head-gunk. And then there's Vicks itself, rubbed on the back or chest of
the kid (or adult, when it's me and I'm tired of being too tired to get well)
so it heats up the whole body under the covers and vaporizes the air too!

Sandra

Mary Bianco

>From: SandraDodd@...

<<And most of them have tolerated
(all of them at one time or another) the orange-flavored Triaminic (sp?)
liquid, although it doesn't have a cough suppressant in it.>>


That's funny Sandra, the orange Triaminic is one of the worst as far as I'm
concerned. I took it when I was pregnant and thought it was nasty. So thick
and sweet. My kids never liked that one. They have always taken the purple
Dimetapp well and well now, it's a different story.


<<What about external stuff?>>

Oh I always have Vicks on hand. I grew up on that stuff.

So tonight it was a different story. Sierra finally took the regular
Dimetapp only because it was slightly better than the cough one. The baby
took a soft chew and Joseph refused anything and everything we had. Normally
I wouldn't make such a big deal over something that doesn't seem real bad
now. But with 7 people in the house, it is a big deal when someone is sick.
Joseph and Sierra are very miserable sick kids. Joseph is actually worse
than Sierra. Sierra will just lay and sleep whereas he whines. The baby,
well no one wants to see a sick baby. If Tara gets sick we have to deal with
her missing school and work. If Joe gets sick, there goes the money. If I
get sick the house falls apart and if my mom gets sick, it's scary as she
always ends up with pnuemonia and at 77, that's not a good thing. That's why
this whole "I won't take anything" bothers us so much. So I also rubbed
Joseph and Sierra down with Vicks even though then don't like it. Joseph
actually took some nose spray I found for colds. I'm hoping this will be
much better by morning. If not, I think I need to start thinking of
quarantining them away from each other.

Mary B

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on 11/29/02 11:56 PM, Mary Bianco at mummyone24@... wrote:

> If not, I think I need to start thinking of
> quarantining them away from each other.

What about treating the healthy ones to boost their immune system? I know
there are herbal supplements that claim to do that. And Vitamin C. I don't
know any but I bet some here do.

Joyce

susan marie

We have found that the over the counter cold meds don't work very well
for us and we're trying other methods. This time around we used hot tea
with honey, herbal cough drops, cut out dairy (I learned from a scuba
diving friend that divers for certain kinds of dives don't eat dairy for
two weeks before because of mucus production - so when our colds or
allergies are bothering us, we cut way back on dairy and this really
helps). We have used the vaporizer, and all of this seems to have worked
just as well as the cold meds. Oh, and we aired out the house even
though it was cold and sent the kids out for some fresh air each day,
and this worked too. I went on my walk even though I didn't feel so
great and felt much better afterwards.

hth,
Susan

On Friday, November 29, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Mary Bianco wrote:

> >From: SandraDodd@...
>
> <<And most of them have tolerated
> (all of them at one time or another) the orange-flavored Triaminic (sp?)
> liquid, although it doesn't have a cough suppressant in it.>>
>
>
> That's funny Sandra, the orange Triaminic is one of the worst as far as
> I'm
> concerned. I took it when I was pregnant and thought it was nasty. So
> thick
> and sweet. My kids never liked that one. They have always taken the
> purple
> Dimetapp well and well now, it's a different story.
>
>
> <<What about external stuff?>>
>
> Oh I always have Vicks on hand. I grew up on that stuff.
>
> So tonight it was a different story. Sierra finally took the regular
> Dimetapp only because it was slightly better than the cough one. The
> baby
> took a soft chew and Joseph refused anything and everything we had.
> Normally
> I wouldn't make such a big deal over something that doesn't seem real
> bad
> now. But with 7 people in the house, it is a big deal when someone is
> sick.
> Joseph and Sierra are very miserable sick kids. Joseph is actually worse
> than Sierra. Sierra will just lay and sleep whereas he whines. The baby,
> well no one wants to see a sick baby. If Tara gets sick we have to deal
> with
> her missing school and work. If Joe gets sick, there goes the money.
> If I
> get sick the house falls apart and if my mom gets sick, it's scary as
> she
> always ends up with pnuemonia and at 77, that's not a good thing.
> That's why
> this whole "I won't take anything" bothers us so much. So I also rubbed
> Joseph and Sierra down with Vicks even though then don't like it. Joseph
> actually took some nose spray I found for colds. I'm hoping this will be
> much better by morning. If not, I think I need to start thinking of
> quarantining them away from each other.
>
> Mary B
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susan marie

We've been using diet to help keep us healthier. This works well.
Vitamins are a good supplement, but it's better to come from the diet
itself. Lots of fresh fruits and veggies, whole grains. little or no
meat (no red meat at all), lots of fish, very little snack foods.
We've all discovered that the more you eat healthy, the less appetizing
the junk stuff seems. The other night my 12 yo junk food queen made
herself a baked apple for a snack. (I post interesting food facts on the
frig, and this was listed as a good stress-buster food.).

peace,
Susan

On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 05:04 AM, Fetteroll wrote:

> on 11/29/02 11:56 PM, Mary Bianco at mummyone24@... wrote:
>
> > If not, I think I need to start thinking of
> > quarantining them away from each other.
>
> What about treating the healthy ones to boost their immune system? I
> know
> there are herbal supplements that claim to do that. And Vitamin C. I
> don't
> know any but I bet some here do.
>
> Joyce
>
>

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In a message dated 11/30/02 9:17:48 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< What about treating the healthy ones to boost their immune system? I know
there are herbal supplements that claim to do that. And Vitamin C. I don't
know any but I bet some here do. >>

Ok, here's my experience with these cold/flu kinda things.
Get everyone in the house on a blend of Echinacea/Reishi Mushroom/Astragulus
root immedietly. It's available from Nature's Way which is at most Health
food stores.
Then you do an Acsorbic acid flush on the sick ones to get all the germs out
of their systems. You can mix the powder with juice for those that don't like
funny flavors. It's subtle, but obvious in water.
There are directions for an acsorbic acid flush in most alternative medicine
books (or probably online) but the measurements would depend on the size of
the person and how potent your acsorbic acid powder was.
Basically, it's high doses of vitamin C (only in the powder acsorbic acid
form) that causes your body to flush all toxins and germs. It goes into a
strong cleansing mode and is really great for your body. Some people do a
preventive flush once a month.
Garlic (acts as an antibiotic) and Cayenne supplements are really great when
you're sick also.
Those few herbs have kept us healthy or gotten us over an illness very
quickly.
We use homeopathics in addition, depending on the symptoms.
We also keep Charcoal tablets around for any stomache problems that may
arise. It will flush out germs quickly and keep you from having to be ill
when coming down with stomache flu. Miraculous stuff!
Some homeopathic remedies no parent should be without:
Arnica (both topical gel and pill form) for bruises
Pulsatilla for snotty green/yellow discharge, clinginess (wants to be held
all the time) weepy type colds
Belladonna for sudden fevers
Chammomilla for irritable, cranky or hyper
Ledum Palustra for puncture wounds

There are a lot more, and one would need to take into account all symptoms to
find the proper remedy. But we've done well with self diagnoses and
homeopathics, the arnica has saved my babies from some nasty bruises.




Ren
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Yol, Vishnu & Shanti

Hi,

I don't think a diet that includes *lots of fish* is a healthy diet. Do you have any idea how much mercury you and your family are consuming that way? Tons!

Just thought I'd mention it.

Regards,

Yol

We've been using diet to help keep us healthier. This works well.
Vitamins are a good supplement, but it's better to come from the diet
itself. Lots of fresh fruits and veggies, whole grains. little or no
meat (no red meat at all), lots of fish, very little snack foods.
We've all discovered that the more you eat healthy, the less appetizing
the junk stuff seems. The other night my 12 yo junk food queen made
herself a baked apple for a snack. (I post interesting food facts on the
frig, and this was listed as a good stress-buster food.).

peace,
Susan

On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 05:04 AM, Fetteroll wrote:

> on 11/29/02 11:56 PM, Mary Bianco at mummyone24@... wrote:
>
> > If not, I think I need to start thinking of
> > quarantining them away from each other.
>
> What about treating the healthy ones to boost their immune system? I
> know
> there are herbal supplements that claim to do that. And Vitamin C. I
> don't
> know any but I bet some here do.
>
> Joyce
>


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Tia Leschke

>
> Ok, here's my experience with these cold/flu kinda things.
> Get everyone in the house on a blend of Echinacea/Reishi
Mushroom/Astragulus
> root immedietly. It's available from Nature's Way which is at most Health
> food stores.

I've found olive leaf extract really helpful for the immune system as well.

> Ledum Palustra for puncture wounds

also for stings.
Tia

Julie Stauffer

We have discovered children's Rhino echinacea. A few dropperfuls in a glass
of orange juice does the trick and it tastes like.....plain old orange
juice. My kids and I get lots of relief without a bad taste.

I had quit taking any kind of cold or allergy medication because I hated
that foggy head feeling. Natural "medications" don't do that. We have
also found our immune systems to be stronger. In our group of friends just
about all are currently fighting bronchitis or strep throat. These are
people we see almost daily. None of my 5 kids are sick and this is the norm
for us.

Julie

Karin

> >
> > Ok, here's my experience with these cold/flu kinda things.
> > Get everyone in the house on a blend of Echinacea/Reishi
> Mushroom/Astragulus
> > root immedietly. It's available from Nature's Way which is at most
Health
> > food stores.
>
> I've found olive leaf extract really helpful for the immune system as
well.
>
> > Ledum Palustra for puncture wounds
>
> also for stings.
> Tia


I've had great results from taking oil of oregano and crushed oregano leaf.
I've heard the best brand to get oregano products is from North American
Herb and Spice company.
Really great for the immune system as well as all the other things mentioned
above.

Karin

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In a message dated 12/1/02 11:50:12 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< also for stings. >>

Actually, Apis Mellifica is better for stings. Stings and bug bites of all
kinds.

Ren
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What's important, is knowing all the questions."
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kayb85

> > I've found olive leaf extract really helpful for the immune
system as
> well.

Olive leaf extract always made me and my daughter sick in the
stomach. Any idea why?
Sheila

Tia Leschke

> > > I've found olive leaf extract really helpful for the immune
> system as
> > well.
>
> Olive leaf extract always made me and my daughter sick in the
> stomach. Any idea why?

No idea. Sorry. But it's usually best to listen to your body on these
things anyway.
Tia

Tia Leschke

>
> Actually, Apis Mellifica is better for stings. Stings and bug bites of all
> kinds.

That's what I always thought, until someone gave Lars Ledum for a wasp
sting. Worked like a charm, I guess because a wasp sting is actually a
puncture wound.
Tia

Alan & Brenda Leonard

11/29/02 16:38:

> I have one like that now and I'm
> desperately trying to keep everyone else healthy.
>
> Any ideas?


In my experience, with medicine, colds last 4 days, and without medicine,
colds last 4 days. I know that you're trying to not have them spread around
your family, but that's really an issue of working on hygine rather than
meds. Keep pushing the handwashing (get some of the no-water, rub-on
handcleanser stuff; kids seem to really go for that) and put a zillion boxes
of kleenix around your house.

The drugs really don't help much. I have finally realized that I'm just not
very important in the grand scheme of things, and if I hang around the house
all day drinking lotsa juice, broth and water, and dozing on and off, I get
better faster. Same with Tim.

The prevention thing works best for us -- lots of fresh veggies and fruits
(Tim has been living on those nice little clementine oranges lately!),
plenty of sleep, naps if needed, and a little stress-management for Mom.
Works wonders; we've all been blessedly healthy for about 9 months now.
After last winter, when I had strep 9 times before I had my tonsils out,
this is heaven!

Anyway, sounds too easy, but has been working here!
brenda

mary krzyzanowski

Since a paste of baking soda and water is used on bee stings and a paste of
vinegar(?) and baking soda is used on wasp stings I think the different
remedies work on different types of toxins.
Mary-NY






>From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] sick kids
>Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:46:04 -0800
>
> >
> > Actually, Apis Mellifica is better for stings. Stings and bug bites of
>all
> > kinds.
>
>That's what I always thought, until someone gave Lars Ledum for a wasp
>sting. Worked like a charm, I guess because a wasp sting is actually a
>puncture wound.
>Tia
>


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ANOTHER good argument for respecting kids, and unschooling:

<< I'm half getting it half not for
the past 3 days. The baby is the only one that was only sick a day. Tara is
immune. Tough kid. Poor Joseph is so sick of feeling like doing nothing he
wonders around the house just trying to figure out what he feels like doing.
Too sick to play yet tired of tv.

<<Sorry I rambled, I hate having sick kids. >>

When kids are in school, faking illness is an art. Being sick is desireable,
many times. Test days, for instance. Kids will lie and say "fever" and
try to crank thermometers up in various fashions. Parents will be suspicious
of sickness. When illness is confirmed by REAL fever, puking, etc., parents
think "WHO will take care of this kid!? Am I going to have to miss work?"
and "How many days of absence does this make?" instead of "Poor child feels
miserable."

When kids are unschooled, there's no earthly reason to pretend to be ill.
It's a crazy idea. And they're never happy to be sick. They think being
sick is sad and wrong. Nobody will congratulate them for being ill. They
can't believe that on sitcoms and in novels that kids are pretending to be
sick.

So there. That can be added to the lists of life improvements people didn't
expect to reap by unschooling.

Sandra

Mary Bianco

>From: SandraDodd@...

<<When kids are in school, faking illness is an art. Being sick is
desireable, many times. Test days, for instance. Kids will lie and say
"fever" and try to crank thermometers up in various fashions>>



Wow Sandra, you're doing that psychic thing again. Joe and I were just
talking about this a week or so ago. Tara had been working like crazy and
taking shifts from others on her days off. She came home one Sunday night
and asked if she could stay home on Monday and recover from her week. (there
goes my kids asking for things they know they can have)
Anyway, I made sure to tell Joe she was staying home so he wouldn't wake her
in the morning thinking she slept in. And he made the remark about how easy
I am, that he had to work very hard as a kid to stay home. Telling me about
the made up sickness' and all. I even thought that was pretty funny because
my mom always let me stay home from school without even being sick. Just
because I didn't feel like it. It just gave me another insight on why Joe is
the way he is now. What an awful way to grow up.

Mary B

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Oh my goodness, I just have to share. One of our neighbor boys told us he faked being sick by dumping a can of refriend beans in the toilet and telling his mom he threw up.

LOL

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