Does anyone but me
Rachel Ann
Find Dr. Phil horribly obnoxious when it comes to the care of children? How does anyone recommend severing a child from a pet as a form of financial responsibilty? If you didn't watch the show, then suffice it to say a couple has over-extended themselves horribly, and had approximately 6 pets, one of which was a lizard, the rest cats and dogs. While I feel they should not have bought them in the first place, to give them up seems to me brutal for both the children and the pets. I would seek to cut back in other ways, and just not purchase pets anymore.... at least until I was more financially solvent.
I was also extremely annoyed by his constant use of the words *sacred cow* which, after awhile, seemed to be to actually be an ethnic slur. (against those from India who do not eat cows)
be well,
Rachel Ann
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I was also extremely annoyed by his constant use of the words *sacred cow* which, after awhile, seemed to be to actually be an ethnic slur. (against those from India who do not eat cows)
be well,
Rachel Ann
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Mary Bianco
>From: Rachel Ann <hindar@...>I didn't see the show you are speaking of. In fact, I don't think I've had
>Find Dr. Phil horribly obnoxious when it comes to the care of children?>>
Dr. Phil on since the last show I saw him do about kids. That's the one
where he suggested time outs in a corner even if the kid is screaming and
throwing up. I always liked for the most part what he has had to say about
adults, but his child rearing views make me cringe. You are not alone.
Mary B
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You were the one who wrote that!!!!
I remembered that from somewhere but couldn't find it in my files...
Yes...he also hates family bed, and there was something else about not making separate meals for a child who won't eat what is served, but just let the kid go hungry. While I don't believe in the short order cook way of thinking (condicil..fine if you don't mind, not if it makes you feel burnt) why isn't it possible to always have something the kid will eat? (In this case mom was making 4 dinners most nights, one for each of the kids, and one for adults. Why the heck she couldn't come up with something the majority ate is beyond me...
Most kids will eat a pbj sandwhich, or pasta with ketchup or something similar. Really doesn't take a whole lot of work or money to have that available for the kid who doesn't like salmon croquettes!
be well,
Rachel Ann
I remembered that from somewhere but couldn't find it in my files...
Yes...he also hates family bed, and there was something else about not making separate meals for a child who won't eat what is served, but just let the kid go hungry. While I don't believe in the short order cook way of thinking (condicil..fine if you don't mind, not if it makes you feel burnt) why isn't it possible to always have something the kid will eat? (In this case mom was making 4 dinners most nights, one for each of the kids, and one for adults. Why the heck she couldn't come up with something the majority ate is beyond me...
Most kids will eat a pbj sandwhich, or pasta with ketchup or something similar. Really doesn't take a whole lot of work or money to have that available for the kid who doesn't like salmon croquettes!
be well,
Rachel Ann
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>From: Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
>Find Dr. Phil horribly obnoxious when it comes to the care of children?>>
I didn't see the show you are speaking of. In fact, I don't think I've had
Dr. Phil on since the last show I saw him do about kids. That's the one
where he suggested time outs in a corner even if the kid is screaming and
throwing up. I always liked for the most part what he has had to say about
adults, but his child rearing views make me cringe. You are not alone.
Mary B
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jwoolfolk
For that matter if they don't like (and suffuce it to say I've got one who does not like much) what you've made for everyone else they can always make themselves something so they won't be hungry. Ds knows that I alwasy have at least one thing in a meal he has, at one time or another, expresed satisfaction with....if he wants something else he makes it himself.
Julie W in AR
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You were the one who wrote that!!!!
I remembered that from somewhere but couldn't find it in my files...
Yes...he also hates family bed, and there was something else about not making separate meals for a child who won't eat what is served, but just let the kid go hungry. While I don't believe in the short order cook way of thinking (condicil..fine if you don't mind, not if it makes you feel burnt) why isn't it possible to always have something the kid will eat? (In this case mom was making 4 dinners most nights, one for each of the kids, and one for adults. Why the heck she couldn't come up with something the majority ate is beyond me...
Most kids will eat a pbj sandwhich, or pasta with ketchup or something similar. Really doesn't take a whole lot of work or money to have that available for the kid who doesn't like salmon croquettes!
be well,
Rachel Ann
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>From: Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
>Find Dr. Phil horribly obnoxious when it comes to the care of children?>>
I didn't see the show you are speaking of. In fact, I don't think I've had
Dr. Phil on since the last show I saw him do about kids. That's the one
where he suggested time outs in a corner even if the kid is screaming and
throwing up. I always liked for the most part what he has had to say about
adults, but his child rearing views make me cringe. You are not alone.
Mary B
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I agree with Rachel Ann and Mary B. His child rearing strategies are
often off, IMO, although he does help adults with their
relationship/communication issues. He can't seem to apply the same
listening strategies to kids! However he does say not to fight with each
other in front of your children, and helps people not to speak nastily
and judgmentally to their children - saying shut up or calling them
names for example. And he is absolutely against spanking. On the other
hand, he certainly has not read "Punished by Rewards"! He's all about
charts and gold stars.
Recently he did a "toilet training in a day" show - totally plagiarized
from the book of that title, only mentioning that these were not new
ideas! I turned it off after a few minutes, because he skipped over the
readiness concept. :/
I have learnt here that children like and will respond to being treated
with the same respect/courtesy as you would treat another adult. I don't
think Dr. Phil has grasped this concept. He is still looking at children
as needing behavior modification to be controlled, to fit into adult's
needs.
All in all, I am ambivalent about him.
Robyn Coburn
often off, IMO, although he does help adults with their
relationship/communication issues. He can't seem to apply the same
listening strategies to kids! However he does say not to fight with each
other in front of your children, and helps people not to speak nastily
and judgmentally to their children - saying shut up or calling them
names for example. And he is absolutely against spanking. On the other
hand, he certainly has not read "Punished by Rewards"! He's all about
charts and gold stars.
Recently he did a "toilet training in a day" show - totally plagiarized
from the book of that title, only mentioning that these were not new
ideas! I turned it off after a few minutes, because he skipped over the
readiness concept. :/
I have learnt here that children like and will respond to being treated
with the same respect/courtesy as you would treat another adult. I don't
think Dr. Phil has grasped this concept. He is still looking at children
as needing behavior modification to be controlled, to fit into adult's
needs.
All in all, I am ambivalent about him.
Robyn Coburn
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I've always found dr. Phil to be a bit scary. I love when David Letterman
had is words of wisdom from DR Phil. Has anyone else seen that?
He was right on, though, with the Mom telling her daughter she was a fat pig.
Except that I saw a bit of his action plan with her, how to get her to
reduce her weight, and that annoyed me. I'm just not a chart and gold star
person, really.
I didn't see the show you mentioned, but I can imagine him thinking it was
great advice.
Elizabeth
had is words of wisdom from DR Phil. Has anyone else seen that?
He was right on, though, with the Mom telling her daughter she was a fat pig.
Except that I saw a bit of his action plan with her, how to get her to
reduce her weight, and that annoyed me. I'm just not a chart and gold star
person, really.
I didn't see the show you mentioned, but I can imagine him thinking it was
great advice.
Elizabeth
Mary Bianco
>From: "Robyn Coburn" <dezigna@...><<I have learnt here that children like and will respond to being treated
with the same respect/courtesy as you would treat another adult. I don't
think Dr. Phil has grasped this concept. He is still looking at children as
needing behavior modification to be controlled, to fit into adult's needs.>>
That's exactly where I think Dr. Phil faulters. I happened to turn him on
late today just out of curiousity. The part I saw was where an 11 year old
girl was dressing as her mom didn't want her to. When the girl stated it was
her face and body and clothes, Dr. Phil said it wasn't her face and body at
her age. It was her mom's responsibility. I thought that was just way too
much. He pretty much told the mom to raise the stakes of punishment when the
mom had already taken away everything the kid had and grounded her too.
Maybe prison would work??
Mary B
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>From: ejcrewe@...<<I've always found dr. Phil to be a bit scary. I love when David Letterman
had is words of wisdom from DR Phil. Has anyone else seen that?>>
LOL!!!!! Yes! I have actually seen some of those shows they quote and never
thought anything of them......until Letterman puts them on the show.
Hysterical!!!
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As far as the short order cook thing goes, lately my 3 year old dd will only
eat soy nut butter and honey open faced sandwiches as her protien source.
(We have peanut allergies in the house.) I ask her to bring the fixings to
the table when I've forgotten, but other than that we aren't addressing the
issue. I figure she'll grow out of it or work her way out of whatever the
problem is.
On another note, i have a friend and her two year old son staying with us for
two weeks while my ankle is still in a cast and I can't really do much for my
two cherubs. She does the whole "yes, you may have more bread and butter
if you eat this peice of brocolli and this piece of tofu" thing. Shades of
myself six months ago. My thinking now is that my son will eat brocolli and
my daughter will eat tofu from a stir fry, between them they get a balanced
meal with no whining or crying.
So, you all have helped me change - and for the better!
Elizabeth
eat soy nut butter and honey open faced sandwiches as her protien source.
(We have peanut allergies in the house.) I ask her to bring the fixings to
the table when I've forgotten, but other than that we aren't addressing the
issue. I figure she'll grow out of it or work her way out of whatever the
problem is.
On another note, i have a friend and her two year old son staying with us for
two weeks while my ankle is still in a cast and I can't really do much for my
two cherubs. She does the whole "yes, you may have more bread and butter
if you eat this peice of brocolli and this piece of tofu" thing. Shades of
myself six months ago. My thinking now is that my son will eat brocolli and
my daughter will eat tofu from a stir fry, between them they get a balanced
meal with no whining or crying.
So, you all have helped me change - and for the better!
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 11/13/02 2:58:04 PM Central Standard Time,
dezigna@... writes:
show about child beauty pageants (as in are they a good or bad idea) and
girls who want to dress too sexy too soon. IMO, he's turned a bit Maury
Povich with this show. I turned it off before the end because he was telling
the mother of an 11 year old that she had to take control and not allow the
daughter to do what she was doing. Who's the parent here? You need to stop
wanting to be her friend and stop caring if she complains about your
punishments. Yada, yada, yada. Granted, I'm a long way from having to face
this situation, but I really feel that his approach is not at all respectful
of the child.
Elizabeth
dezigna@... writes:
> I have learnt here that children like and will respond to being treatedafter the earlier posts about Dr. Phil, I decided to watch today. It was a
> with the same respect/courtesy as you would treat another adult. I don't
> think Dr. Phil has grasped this concept. He is still looking at children
> as needing behavior modification to be controlled, to fit into adult's
> needs.
show about child beauty pageants (as in are they a good or bad idea) and
girls who want to dress too sexy too soon. IMO, he's turned a bit Maury
Povich with this show. I turned it off before the end because he was telling
the mother of an 11 year old that she had to take control and not allow the
daughter to do what she was doing. Who's the parent here? You need to stop
wanting to be her friend and stop caring if she complains about your
punishments. Yada, yada, yada. Granted, I'm a long way from having to face
this situation, but I really feel that his approach is not at all respectful
of the child.
Elizabeth
Betsy
**As far as the short order cook thing goes, lately my 3 year old dd
will only
eat soy nut butter and honey open faced sandwiches as her protien
source. **
My brother ate nothing but peanut butter and honey sandwiches for two
years as a child. I think he was going for the record of world's
pickiest eater ever. Now that he's a (nearly) middle-aged adult, he
surprised the heck out of me by ordering the 7 vegetable and tofu
scramble for breakfast. (Man -- you couldn't get ME to eat that!)
Betsy
will only
eat soy nut butter and honey open faced sandwiches as her protien
source. **
My brother ate nothing but peanut butter and honey sandwiches for two
years as a child. I think he was going for the record of world's
pickiest eater ever. Now that he's a (nearly) middle-aged adult, he
surprised the heck out of me by ordering the 7 vegetable and tofu
scramble for breakfast. (Man -- you couldn't get ME to eat that!)
Betsy
Stephanie Elms
> My brother ate nothing but peanut butter and honey sandwiches for twoYou mean there is hope??!! Yea! Jason (almost 6) is even pickier then I was as
> years as a child. I think he was going for the record of world's
> pickiest eater ever. Now that he's a (nearly) middle-aged adult, he
> surprised the heck out of me by ordering the 7 vegetable and tofu
> scramble for breakfast. (Man -- you couldn't get ME to eat that!)
a kid (which is saying something!). He just stopped eating chix patties and
tonight he did not eat his pb&j sandwich because the bread was too hard to
tear (it was brand new perfectly fresh bread, just too chewy or something
like that). Of course now that we have given up junk food restrictions he
eats all kind of sweet stuff too...at this point I am happy if he eats a
junk food snack that has some nutrition...like pudding or ice cream. Anyone
have any good muffin or home made cookie recipes??
As far as Dr Phil goes, I definitely do NOT like his parenting advice and I
am not too keen on his new format. I liked him when I caught Oprah every once
in awhile, but his new show seems to cater to the extremes (a la Jerry
Springer but for educated women types). I saw a show for helping couples who
had sex incompatibilities in their relationship...had a husband who wanted sex
2-3 a day and every time his wife even bent over he was all over her (she of
course only wanted it a couple of times a month), they had a guy who did not
want to have sex at all with his wife because she was a mother (from a previous
marriage) and he felt she was too good and pure (he had only had sex based shallow
relationships prior to her). And they had a woman who had been taught by her mother
that sex was "dirty" and her husband had been sleeping on the couch for 3 years.
Talk about extremes...not too hard to give advice on
that...how about a woman who wants it a couple of times a month and a man who
wants it weekly etc.
Plus it also seems kind of like drive by advice giving... they have 3 people and
spend maybe 10-15 mins a person. They listen and then Dr Phil gives his advice
and solves the problem. Viola...mission accomplished. Too pat and dry for me.
Seems like a lot of his issues are a little more complex then he makes them out
to be.
my 2 cents!
Stephanie E.
Gerard Westenberg
<As far as the short order cook thing goes, >>
With nine people in the house, we never manage to get together one meal that everyone likes/wants. I usually do the cooking here, and cook one thing that I know is popular with many - the rest of us get our own quick meal/snack - or I make something else that is easy for others - or we do this together. For eg, we had a fish and vegetable curry that I made, the other night, I also made some chips, with the help of the 7 yo , for those who don't eat curry but will eat home cooked chips and salad!
:-)... Sometimes they just have a sandwich and fruit, or cereal and mik or beans on toast...Works out in the long run. And much better than forcing or coaxing anyone to eat what they don't want...Leonie
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With nine people in the house, we never manage to get together one meal that everyone likes/wants. I usually do the cooking here, and cook one thing that I know is popular with many - the rest of us get our own quick meal/snack - or I make something else that is easy for others - or we do this together. For eg, we had a fish and vegetable curry that I made, the other night, I also made some chips, with the help of the 7 yo , for those who don't eat curry but will eat home cooked chips and salad!
:-)... Sometimes they just have a sandwich and fruit, or cereal and mik or beans on toast...Works out in the long run. And much better than forcing or coaxing anyone to eat what they don't want...Leonie
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In a message dated 11/13/02 2:45:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
I had candy bar sandwiches. I did out grow it.
Heidi
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ecsamhill@... writes:
> lately my 3 year old ddyou want to know bad when I was a child in order to get me to even eat bread
> will only
> eat soy nut butter and honey open faced sandwiches as her protien
> source. **
>
I had candy bar sandwiches. I did out grow it.
Heidi
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Rachel Ann
LOL
I remember a friend complaining that her child would eat nothing but chicken, apples and cherrios...I think with milk, but not sure about the milk.
I told her that was actually a pretty well rounded diet!
I have been known to give my daughter slices of butter, because she doesn't want the bread and why waste it?
BTW, certain foods are . from what I understand, really considered pretty complete, and if your child is eating bananas/bread/potatos you really don't have too much to worry about. Good if you can get them to eat something else, and I would try to add condiments, or make food plainer, etc. etc. But if they are eating one of the above, I wouldn't worry too much....especially for a short period of time ( a couple of months.)
be well,
Rachel Ann
I remember a friend complaining that her child would eat nothing but chicken, apples and cherrios...I think with milk, but not sure about the milk.
I told her that was actually a pretty well rounded diet!
I have been known to give my daughter slices of butter, because she doesn't want the bread and why waste it?
BTW, certain foods are . from what I understand, really considered pretty complete, and if your child is eating bananas/bread/potatos you really don't have too much to worry about. Good if you can get them to eat something else, and I would try to add condiments, or make food plainer, etc. etc. But if they are eating one of the above, I wouldn't worry too much....especially for a short period of time ( a couple of months.)
be well,
Rachel Ann
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In a message dated 11/13/02 2:45:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
> lately my 3 year old dd
> will only
> eat soy nut butter and honey open faced sandwiches as her protien
> source. **
>
you want to know bad when I was a child in order to get me to even eat bread
I had candy bar sandwiches. I did out grow it.
Heidi
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Stephanie Elms
> BTW, certain foods are . from what I understand, reallyReally? Thank you for this...one thing that Jason eats is bread...bagels, muffins,
> considered pretty complete, and if your child is eating
> bananas/bread/potatos you really don't have too much to worry
> about. Good if you can get them to eat something else, and I
> would try to add condiments, or make food plainer, etc. etc.
> But if they are eating one of the above, I wouldn't worry
> too much....especially for a short period of time ( a couple
> of months.)
whole wheat bread with butter, rolls you name it. Maybe that is why he is not having
as many problems as I would think he would have with his diet. He has complained of
a tummy ache a couple of times and sometimes has been really cranky, but on the whole
his crappy diet is not effecting him too much. We have had some good conversations
about listening to your body (he decided that his body told him that 10 cookies was
enough) and he actually turned down cake the other day. And decided to drink a non-
caffienated soda before bed. Unfortunately hubby does not see the little things as
promising, but I can see that this will work. Luckily, hubby is not making too much
of a stink about it, other then telling me that I am nuts. He asked if we could declare
this experiment a failure if he was still eating only junk when he was 10 (he is
almost 6 now) and I told him *then* we could call it a failure, but not until then. :o)
Stephanie E.
Rachel Ann
Well,
Think about it: bread is called the staff of life. Especially if you are talking about whole grain breads; they get what they need.
Also, the Irish Potato famine; why was it so devestating? Because that is what they were living on...and I think I learned about bananas from a diet I was on which promoted the idea of eating what you want, when you wanted it, the way you wanted it. If you were hungry, and couldn't get the above (lets safe you had this intense craving for a tex-mex omlette with hot sauce, and you were out of hot sauce.) the suggested food was half a banana. It satisified, and it has a lot of vitamins etc.
I happen to think that maintaining to strict a hand about food, demanding a child eat certain foods at certain times, is what leads to obesity and aneorexia. (one of the things)
MHO...
be well,
Rachel Ann
Think about it: bread is called the staff of life. Especially if you are talking about whole grain breads; they get what they need.
Also, the Irish Potato famine; why was it so devestating? Because that is what they were living on...and I think I learned about bananas from a diet I was on which promoted the idea of eating what you want, when you wanted it, the way you wanted it. If you were hungry, and couldn't get the above (lets safe you had this intense craving for a tex-mex omlette with hot sauce, and you were out of hot sauce.) the suggested food was half a banana. It satisified, and it has a lot of vitamins etc.
I happen to think that maintaining to strict a hand about food, demanding a child eat certain foods at certain times, is what leads to obesity and aneorexia. (one of the things)
MHO...
be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: Stephanie Elms
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Does anyone but me
> BTW, certain foods are . from what I understand, really
> considered pretty complete, and if your child is eating
> bananas/bread/potatos you really don't have too much to worry
> about. Good if you can get them to eat something else, and I
> would try to add condiments, or make food plainer, etc. etc.
> But if they are eating one of the above, I wouldn't worry
> too much....especially for a short period of time ( a couple
> of months.)
Really? Thank you for this...one thing that Jason eats is bread...bagels, muffins,
whole wheat bread with butter, rolls you name it. Maybe that is why he is not having
as many problems as I would think he would have with his diet. He has complained of
a tummy ache a couple of times and sometimes has been really cranky, but on the whole
his crappy diet is not effecting him too much. We have had some good conversations
about listening to your body (he decided that his body told him that 10 cookies was
enough) and he actually turned down cake the other day. And decided to drink a non-
caffienated soda before bed. Unfortunately hubby does not see the little things as
promising, but I can see that this will work. Luckily, hubby is not making too much
of a stink about it, other then telling me that I am nuts. He asked if we could declare
this experiment a failure if he was still eating only junk when he was 10 (he is
almost 6 now) and I told him *then* we could call it a failure, but not until then. :o)
Stephanie E.
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In a message dated 11/13/02 3:35:41 PM, ejcrewe@... writes:
<< She does the whole "yes, you may have more bread and butter
if you eat this peice of brocolli and this piece of tofu" thing. Shades of
myself six months ago. My thinking now is that my son will eat brocolli and
my daughter will eat tofu from a stir fry, between them they get a balanced
meal with no whining or crying.
soon as he got home, and I thought we had music practice here (it was
cancelled by others, which was a relief) so I had asked him to bring me food
from Boston Market. I called upstairs to Holly and asked her if she wanted
some of my food. She said sweetly "No thanks!"
I said "There's spinach."
She said "Okay, maybe in a minute."
Sandra
<< She does the whole "yes, you may have more bread and butter
if you eat this peice of brocolli and this piece of tofu" thing. Shades of
myself six months ago. My thinking now is that my son will eat brocolli and
my daughter will eat tofu from a stir fry, between them they get a balanced
meal with no whining or crying.
>>Yesterday the boys were out, and Keith and Holly were going to her lesson as
soon as he got home, and I thought we had music practice here (it was
cancelled by others, which was a relief) so I had asked him to bring me food
from Boston Market. I called upstairs to Holly and asked her if she wanted
some of my food. She said sweetly "No thanks!"
I said "There's spinach."
She said "Okay, maybe in a minute."
Sandra
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In a message dated 11/13/2002 6:13:09 PM Central Standard Time,
stephanie.elms@... writes:
and they don't take anyone who is depressed or in therapy or on medications.
From what I understand, there is a rigorous screening process.
Tuck
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stephanie.elms@... writes:
> Plus it also seems kind of like drive by advice giving... they have 3 peopleWell, not really. They spend a lot of time with the folks ahead of the show,
> and
> spend maybe 10-15 mins a person. They listen and then Dr Phil gives his
> advice
> and solves the problem. Viola...mission accomplished. Too pat and dry for
> me.
> Seems like a lot of his issues are a little more complex then he makes them
> out
> to be.
>
and they don't take anyone who is depressed or in therapy or on medications.
From what I understand, there is a rigorous screening process.
Tuck
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Rachel Ann
I was once present when an aquaintance, who will go nameless, was feeding her child dinner. I can't remember all that the child was served, but she was in the traditional high chair, bibbed, etc, and had a choice of three foods, one of which was blueberries, a protein of some sort and a veggie. Child starts reaching for the pile of blueberries and mom pushes her hand away...not till she has more veggies! I had to ask her why!!! I mean, first off, why have so many blueberries piled up there if she didn't want the child to have it, and why fuss about more blueberries? It had something to do with wanting her not to have too much sweet stuff...
give me a huge break..
but this particular mom is very controlling...
give me a huge break..
but this particular mom is very controlling...
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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Does anyone but me
In a message dated 11/13/02 3:35:41 PM, ejcrewe@... writes:
<< She does the whole "yes, you may have more bread and butter
if you eat this peice of brocolli and this piece of tofu" thing. Shades of
myself six months ago. My thinking now is that my son will eat brocolli and
my daughter will eat tofu from a stir fry, between them they get a balanced
meal with no whining or crying.
>>
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In a message dated 11/13/02 6:13:02 PM Central Standard Time,
stephanie.elms@... writes:
picky even for muffins... I found a soy protien powder at Wild Oats that has
little sugar and comes in chocolate and vanilla.
Just a thought.
Elizabeth
stephanie.elms@... writes:
> AnyoneI add protien powder to everything from pancakes to cookies. My kids are too
> have any good muffin or home made cookie recipes??
picky even for muffins... I found a soy protien powder at Wild Oats that has
little sugar and comes in chocolate and vanilla.
Just a thought.
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 11/14/02 6:56:07 AM, hindar@... writes:
<< (lets safe you had this intense craving for a tex-mex omlette >>
EEEK!
yesterday at 12:30 when my children finally started emerging, I was hungry.
Knowing Holly's abilities, I asked for a hot dog. I wanted the mustard,
actually, and the dab of protein. She made a face, and wasn't feeling well,
so I asked her to wake Marty up. He was cranky and said Holly could have
done that. We had words, he and I both cried some. He said "Well then what
DO you want, mom? Just tell me."
I said "I want a green-chile omelette, but I don't want you to have to learn
to cook to make me one."
We're all happy again, and I'm eating frosted mini-wheats, counting the days
until I get my walking cast and can go upstairs and eat. Seven days.
Sandra
<< (lets safe you had this intense craving for a tex-mex omlette >>
EEEK!
yesterday at 12:30 when my children finally started emerging, I was hungry.
Knowing Holly's abilities, I asked for a hot dog. I wanted the mustard,
actually, and the dab of protein. She made a face, and wasn't feeling well,
so I asked her to wake Marty up. He was cranky and said Holly could have
done that. We had words, he and I both cried some. He said "Well then what
DO you want, mom? Just tell me."
I said "I want a green-chile omelette, but I don't want you to have to learn
to cook to make me one."
We're all happy again, and I'm eating frosted mini-wheats, counting the days
until I get my walking cast and can go upstairs and eat. Seven days.
Sandra
Stephanie Elms
> I add protien powder to everything from pancakes to cookies.Thanks for the tip...I am heading out to Fresh Fields (Whole Foods) today.
> My kids are too
> picky even for muffins... I found a soy protien powder at
> Wild Oats that has
> little sugar and comes in chocolate and vanilla.
I will look for it! I have gotten good at adding wheat germ to oatmeal and such
but the protein powder sounds good too. You said that it came in choc and vanilla...
can you mix it with milk too?
Stephanie E.
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In a message dated 11/14/02 7:56:15 AM Central Standard Time,
hindar@... writes:
settled on obesity in my 30s. Which is why I'm totally letting the children
decide what they want to eat when. I have a nanny now because of my ankle
and she definately doesn't approve, but has followed my lead. Maybe she will
get more relaxed with her own through this?
Elizabeth
hindar@... writes:
> I happen to think that maintaining to strict a hand about food, demanding aOr both, as in my case. I alternated between the two for years and then
> child eat certain foods at certain times, is what leads to obesity and
> aneorexia. (one of the things)
settled on obesity in my 30s. Which is why I'm totally letting the children
decide what they want to eat when. I have a nanny now because of my ankle
and she definately doesn't approve, but has followed my lead. Maybe she will
get more relaxed with her own through this?
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 11/14/02 12:38:02 PM Central Standard Time,
stephanie.elms@... writes:
fast when I was in that kind of a mood. I have a serious sweet tooth!
Elizabeth
stephanie.elms@... writes:
> You said that it came in choc and vanilla...Yes, but my taste buds aren't happy with it. I sometimes added it to slim
> can you mix it with milk too?
fast when I was in that kind of a mood. I have a serious sweet tooth!
Elizabeth