the Van Rijn family

> Me, too! And it explains my frustration sometimes when brand new
> homeschoolers join the group and start snapping their fingers and
> wanting me (or others) to be their waiter and their short-order cook.
>
> Betsy


I'm frustrated too. Support self-learning you say, then right off the bat,
YOU criticize new people who join the group trying to LEARN. Perfect. I've
learned about all I want to from you, thanks. I knew that those christian
wars I read here my first day were a red flag.

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Vanrijns,
I really don't think she was refferring to you.
Elissa


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In a message dated 11/11/02 12:58:35 PM, vanrijns@... writes:

<< I'm frustrated too. Support self-learning you say, then right off the bat,
YOU criticize new people who join the group trying to LEARN. Perfect. I've
learned about all I want to from you, thanks. >>

Supporting learning isn't the same as teaching.

You can't call the library and say "Bring over all your books on Japan,
QUICK!"

We generate information by the hour here and at www.unschooling.com.

If a mom wants to unschool and is sure that will work but isn't willing to
find things and read them (and having a site called www.unschooling.com makes
it DAMNED easy to find, too), then she's not going to get what it takes to
help her kids learn things, or to see it when they are.

There ARE books on unschooling, but this doesn't happen to be one of them.
And nobody but Amazon will deliver you those books on unschooling.
Here's another address:

www.Amazon.com

Sandra

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In a message dated 11/11/02 3:47:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< YOU criticize new people who join the group trying to LEARN. >>

I don't think she did anything of the sort. It pays to not TRY and get
offended at every little thing.

Ren
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
And remember,
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"

Betsy

**I'm frustrated too. Support self-learning you say, then right off the
bat, YOU criticize new people who join the group trying to LEARN.**


I'm sorry. Do you mean me? I wasn't talking about you.

My comment **sometimes when brand new homeschoolers join the group** was
about my support group in real life.

I've had people that I provided a lot of information to, turn and sniff
disdainfully, as if they were unhappy that I didn't give them a complete
and perfect prescription for their children and their situation.

Keeping with the cooking analogy, I can give people fruit from my tree,
I can share groceries with them and tell them my favorite places to
shop, but I am not gonna plan all their meals for the week and cook them
for them.

I hope that's clearer. I know analogies are kind of an imperfect way to
express ideas, but I like them.

Betsy

PS I think some people, who've had kids in school, are used to only
making one decision "what school should my child attend" and they are
looking for a one decision answer regarding homeschooling. They're
looking for what engineers call a "turnkey solution". They seem to be
very uncomfortable with choices and look like they are looking for a
path that doesn't involve making choices. Unschooling isn't that path.



**> Me, too! And it explains my frustration sometimes when brand new
> homeschoolers join the group and start snapping their fingers and
> wanting me (or others) to be their waiter and their short-order cook.
>
> Betsy


I'm frustrated too. Support self-learning you say, then right off the bat,
YOU criticize new people who join the group trying to LEARN. Perfect. I've
learned about all I want to from you, thanks. I knew that those christian
wars I read here my first day were a red flag.**