Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro and husband
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Tammy -
I think there was a thread a while back about reluctant husbands, you might
want to look in the archives for good ideas.
My husband was really nervous at first, but we have always had a good
dialogue about everything. I kept giving him little things to read, but he
wouldn't get around to them. (In his defense, he had a very busy full time
engineering job and then is a musicologist on the side.) Our local hs group
was having an open house and I had planned on going alone. At the last
minute (literally during dinner) I decided we all should go. Lots of
grumpiness all around, but it worked. He met the children and the parents
and realized how much better a life our kids would have by not going to
school.
That hurdle being crossed, we both attended a state conference last March.
His eyes and mind were opened to unschooling and has embraced it with a
passion matching his passion for orchestral music!
I highly recommend you get him to a group of unschooling children and
parents. Seeing is believing. Of course, this only works if he has a good
example of school kids to contrast the unschooling kids to. We have nieces
and nephews and a block with 38 kids. Lots of comparisons. Our kids are
young and we had witnessed three nephews completely change personalities once
they went to preschool. Could be their personalities would have changed
anyway, but I was unwilling to take the risk.
Elizabeth
I think there was a thread a while back about reluctant husbands, you might
want to look in the archives for good ideas.
My husband was really nervous at first, but we have always had a good
dialogue about everything. I kept giving him little things to read, but he
wouldn't get around to them. (In his defense, he had a very busy full time
engineering job and then is a musicologist on the side.) Our local hs group
was having an open house and I had planned on going alone. At the last
minute (literally during dinner) I decided we all should go. Lots of
grumpiness all around, but it worked. He met the children and the parents
and realized how much better a life our kids would have by not going to
school.
That hurdle being crossed, we both attended a state conference last March.
His eyes and mind were opened to unschooling and has embraced it with a
passion matching his passion for orchestral music!
I highly recommend you get him to a group of unschooling children and
parents. Seeing is believing. Of course, this only works if he has a good
example of school kids to contrast the unschooling kids to. We have nieces
and nephews and a block with 38 kids. Lots of comparisons. Our kids are
young and we had witnessed three nephews completely change personalities once
they went to preschool. Could be their personalities would have changed
anyway, but I was unwilling to take the risk.
Elizabeth
susan marie
I am often convinced that it is our kids themselves who are the best
"arguments" for unschooling, and for homeschooling in general. My 12 yo
dd was in a community theatre production this past weekend of The Wizard
of Oz. There were three other homeschooling families in addition to ours
represented in the production - one teen, one family of three children,
and the Wicked Witch herself is a homeschooling mom. At the cast party,
I overheard the mom of the three kids talking about homeschooling so I
joined the discussion. My friend is a (recently) former fund. xtian, and
they still use a very structured form of homeschooling, but no longer
cons. xtian curriculum. Together, we were talking to two couples who
were interested in learning about homeschooling *because* of the kids -
they were so impressed by the kids, so stunned to learn that they
homeschool, that they wanted to learn more. Both my friend and I
presented, together, why homeschooling was great, and how easy it is to
fit it to your kids and your family - and our two families being very
different being a perfect example. One man was so impressed, that he
came and found us later to ask more questions.
So, to make a short story long, yes, seeing other kids and families is,
imho, a great way to show that unschooling/homeschooling works.
peace,
Susan
"arguments" for unschooling, and for homeschooling in general. My 12 yo
dd was in a community theatre production this past weekend of The Wizard
of Oz. There were three other homeschooling families in addition to ours
represented in the production - one teen, one family of three children,
and the Wicked Witch herself is a homeschooling mom. At the cast party,
I overheard the mom of the three kids talking about homeschooling so I
joined the discussion. My friend is a (recently) former fund. xtian, and
they still use a very structured form of homeschooling, but no longer
cons. xtian curriculum. Together, we were talking to two couples who
were interested in learning about homeschooling *because* of the kids -
they were so impressed by the kids, so stunned to learn that they
homeschool, that they wanted to learn more. Both my friend and I
presented, together, why homeschooling was great, and how easy it is to
fit it to your kids and your family - and our two families being very
different being a perfect example. One man was so impressed, that he
came and found us later to ask more questions.
So, to make a short story long, yes, seeing other kids and families is,
imho, a great way to show that unschooling/homeschooling works.
peace,
Susan
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 08:55 AM, ejcrewe@... wrote:
>
> I highly recommend you get him to a group of unschooling children and
> parents. Seeing is believing. Of course, this only works if he has a
> good
> example of school kids to contrast the unschooling kids to. We have
> nieces
> and nephews and a block with 38 kids. Lots of comparisons. Our kids
> are
> young and we had witnessed three nephews completely change
> personalities once
> they went to preschool. Could be their personalities would have changed
> anyway, but I was unwilling to take the risk.
>
> Elizabeth
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In a message dated 11/7/02 6:57:19 AM, ejcrewe@... writes:
<< (In his defense, he had a very busy full time
engineering job and then is a musicologist on the side.) >>
What music is he interested in? (Oh. Orchestral, you said later.)
I've been missing my Wednesday night music practice, but we resume next week
here. We're doing medieval and Renaissance instrumental music with no plan
for performance. I'm willing to perform, but two members are shy and only
want to play for our own enjoyment. We're using mostly recorders and cello,
but some keyboard (I have a little pump organ). The cellist has a hurdy
gurdy which has lately been repaired (he fell on ice with it), and one member
wants to borrow a little harp I have and get it restrung and play with it
some.
I keep just wanting to sing, and since some of the pieces we have are also
vocal pieces, sometimes I get my way when I say "Let's Just SING IT!" One of
the pieces are "Blow Thy Horne, Hunter," which is a three-part arrangment of
a double-entendre song which sounds to be about deerhunting, but is on the
second level about sexual encounters. One is "Never Weather-Beaten Sail"
which is a madrigal which I think was once a solo voice with lute
accompaniment.
<<I highly recommend you get him to a group of unschooling children and
parents. Seeing is believing. >>
I AGREE.
Sandra
<< (In his defense, he had a very busy full time
engineering job and then is a musicologist on the side.) >>
What music is he interested in? (Oh. Orchestral, you said later.)
I've been missing my Wednesday night music practice, but we resume next week
here. We're doing medieval and Renaissance instrumental music with no plan
for performance. I'm willing to perform, but two members are shy and only
want to play for our own enjoyment. We're using mostly recorders and cello,
but some keyboard (I have a little pump organ). The cellist has a hurdy
gurdy which has lately been repaired (he fell on ice with it), and one member
wants to borrow a little harp I have and get it restrung and play with it
some.
I keep just wanting to sing, and since some of the pieces we have are also
vocal pieces, sometimes I get my way when I say "Let's Just SING IT!" One of
the pieces are "Blow Thy Horne, Hunter," which is a three-part arrangment of
a double-entendre song which sounds to be about deerhunting, but is on the
second level about sexual encounters. One is "Never Weather-Beaten Sail"
which is a madrigal which I think was once a solo voice with lute
accompaniment.
<<I highly recommend you get him to a group of unschooling children and
parents. Seeing is believing. >>
I AGREE.
Sandra
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Elizabeth,
I haven't read through the archives yet so I will try that. Thanks.
As far as getting him to a state conference, the only one I know for
Indiana is the Christian conference in Indianapolis. He agreed to go, if I
want him to, but it is very school-at-home oriented. The speakers and
everything tend to be people from that mindset. So I don't think it will do
any good.
The only unschooling conferences that I can find seem to be very far
away. I haven't found one close enough yet. My husband doesn't want to
drive over 8 hours to go to a 2 day conference. Neither one of us has ever
flown (not sure we can afford it), although we both agreed the other day that
we would love to do so sometime.
Also, as far as getting him around other local unschoolers like you
mentioned, I haven't found any in my area at all. I have been looking for
eight years! Of course, there may be some hiding in the woodwork (since this
area is so condemning of unschoolers). I have no idea how to find them
though :-(
Tammy
I haven't read through the archives yet so I will try that. Thanks.
As far as getting him to a state conference, the only one I know for
Indiana is the Christian conference in Indianapolis. He agreed to go, if I
want him to, but it is very school-at-home oriented. The speakers and
everything tend to be people from that mindset. So I don't think it will do
any good.
The only unschooling conferences that I can find seem to be very far
away. I haven't found one close enough yet. My husband doesn't want to
drive over 8 hours to go to a 2 day conference. Neither one of us has ever
flown (not sure we can afford it), although we both agreed the other day that
we would love to do so sometime.
Also, as far as getting him around other local unschoolers like you
mentioned, I haven't found any in my area at all. I have been looking for
eight years! Of course, there may be some hiding in the woodwork (since this
area is so condemning of unschoolers). I have no idea how to find them
though :-(
Tammy
> think there was a thread a while back about reluctant husbands, you might[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> want to look in the archives for good ideas.
>
> My husband was really nervous at first, but we have always had a good
> dialogue about everything. I kept giving him little things to read, but he
>
> wouldn't get around to them. (In his defense, he had a very busy full time
>
> engineering job and then is a musicologist on the side.) Our local hs
> group
> was having an open house and I had planned on going alone. At the last
> minute (literally during dinner) I decided we all should go. Lots of
> grumpiness all around, but it worked. He met the children and the parents
> and realized how much better a life our kids would have by not going to
> school.
>
> That hurdle being crossed, we both attended a state conference last March.
>
> His eyes and mind were opened to unschooling and has embraced it with a
> passion matching his passion for orchestral music!
>
> I highly recommend you get him to a group of unschooling children and
> parents. Seeing is believing. Of course, this only works if he has a good
>
> example of school kids to contrast the unschooling kids to. We have nieces
>
> and nephews and a block with 38 kids. Lots of comparisons. Our kids are
> young and we had witnessed three nephews completely change personalities
> once
> they went to preschool. Could be their personalities would have changed
> anyway, but I was unwilling to take the risk.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
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In a message dated 11/7/02 10:21:19 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
like a good group - and an un-performing, unschooling kind of attitude!
The night before the morning I broke my ankle, we went to our first concert
(Chicago Symphony Orchestra) of the season. We are in the cheap seats, which
involve a VERY steep climb down stairs in the gallery. I'm not sure when
I'll be able to do that again, crutches or not!
My husband is currently out of town, but I emailed him about the reluctant
husband issue. He said that the only way he ever would have felt comfortable
was to go out and meet real life unschoolers. Both his parents were
teachers, his father was a pastor as well. It was a real leap out of his
comfort zone - both the open house and conference (we tend to be wallflowers)
and the change in thinking. Now that he's seen his own four year old
passionately describe the difference between pilliated (can't figure out how
to spell that while lying on my head) and red-bellied woodpeckers, he's a
complete convert.
Elizabeth
SandraDodd@... writes:
> I've been missing my Wednesday night music practice, but we resume nextweek
> here. We're doing medieval and Renaissance instrumental music with noplan
> for performance.I'm glad you've found a way to keep that going while you heal! It sounds
like a good group - and an un-performing, unschooling kind of attitude!
The night before the morning I broke my ankle, we went to our first concert
(Chicago Symphony Orchestra) of the season. We are in the cheap seats, which
involve a VERY steep climb down stairs in the gallery. I'm not sure when
I'll be able to do that again, crutches or not!
My husband is currently out of town, but I emailed him about the reluctant
husband issue. He said that the only way he ever would have felt comfortable
was to go out and meet real life unschoolers. Both his parents were
teachers, his father was a pastor as well. It was a real leap out of his
comfort zone - both the open house and conference (we tend to be wallflowers)
and the change in thinking. Now that he's seen his own four year old
passionately describe the difference between pilliated (can't figure out how
to spell that while lying on my head) and red-bellied woodpeckers, he's a
complete convert.
Elizabeth
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/7/02 10:56:53 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I keep just wanting to sing, and since some of the pieces we have are also
vocal pieces, sometimes I get my way when I say "Let's Just SING IT!" >>
And judging by the tape I bought, Sandra can SING!!
She has a very pretty voice and it sounded oh-so-medieval....
Lovely.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< I keep just wanting to sing, and since some of the pieces we have are also
vocal pieces, sometimes I get my way when I say "Let's Just SING IT!" >>
And judging by the tape I bought, Sandra can SING!!
She has a very pretty voice and it sounded oh-so-medieval....
Lovely.
Ren
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In a message dated 11/7/02 1:49:28 PM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< And judging by the tape I bought, Sandra can SING!!
She has a very pretty voice and it sounded oh-so-medieval.... >>
Thanks!
<< And judging by the tape I bought, Sandra can SING!!
She has a very pretty voice and it sounded oh-so-medieval.... >>
Thanks!
Kelli Traaseth
Sandra,
Is your group kind-of like Mannheim Steamroller?
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 11/7/02 1:49:28 PM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< And judging by the tape I bought, Sandra can SING!!
She has a very pretty voice and it sounded oh-so-medieval.... >>
Thanks!
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SandraDodd@... wrote:
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She has a very pretty voice and it sounded oh-so-medieval.... >>
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Tammy
I forgot where you live when I wrote my first message. You could come to the
conference in Illinois put on by HOUSE (Home Oriented Unique Schooling
Experience, I think). Except it's always up here near Chicago, or west of
it, and it was canceled this year because of facility and capacity problems.
I found a site googling one day that listed Unschoolers in various states and
you could add your name and contact information to it if you ever wanted to
be contacted. I bookmarked it, but sadly can't make it upstairs to the real
computer to get it for you. The laptop is modem based and ties up our phone
line. You could try searching in Illinois and Indiana, there might be folks
somewhere close. Or at least not too far.
People these days, and maybe just around here, tend to assume you are a
fundamentalist if you homeschool. But one look at me and they go to that
other stereotype - the crunch granola one!
Sorry my suggestion wasn't more helpful to you. You certainly are in a
pickle.
Elizabeth
I forgot where you live when I wrote my first message. You could come to the
conference in Illinois put on by HOUSE (Home Oriented Unique Schooling
Experience, I think). Except it's always up here near Chicago, or west of
it, and it was canceled this year because of facility and capacity problems.
I found a site googling one day that listed Unschoolers in various states and
you could add your name and contact information to it if you ever wanted to
be contacted. I bookmarked it, but sadly can't make it upstairs to the real
computer to get it for you. The laptop is modem based and ties up our phone
line. You could try searching in Illinois and Indiana, there might be folks
somewhere close. Or at least not too far.
People these days, and maybe just around here, tend to assume you are a
fundamentalist if you homeschool. But one look at me and they go to that
other stereotype - the crunch granola one!
Sorry my suggestion wasn't more helpful to you. You certainly are in a
pickle.
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 11/7/02 2:22:17 PM, kellitraas@... writes:
<< Is your group kind-of like Mannheim Steamroller? >>
NO, those new-age poofs!!!
We're doing as close to period as we can.
I like some of their stuff, but mostly "new age music" grates on me somewhere
inside. Unless I'm getting a massage and then the new age soundtrack seems
right.
Sandra, prejudiced against new-age music. <g>
OH! But I do like a lot of the old Steeleye Span music, where they took
medieval ballads and turned them into Rock'n'roll. Rock'n'roll music about
castles and knights. It was like a big wide straddle of folk-rock.
Sandra
<< Is your group kind-of like Mannheim Steamroller? >>
NO, those new-age poofs!!!
We're doing as close to period as we can.
I like some of their stuff, but mostly "new age music" grates on me somewhere
inside. Unless I'm getting a massage and then the new age soundtrack seems
right.
Sandra, prejudiced against new-age music. <g>
OH! But I do like a lot of the old Steeleye Span music, where they took
medieval ballads and turned them into Rock'n'roll. Rock'n'roll music about
castles and knights. It was like a big wide straddle of folk-rock.
Sandra
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Elizabeth,
Thanks. Chicago is still a good distance away, but I may have to just
drive that far to get to one. I will still look for Unschoolers in my area.
I have looked on google, but so far I haven't found any. I won't give up yet
though. I just have to fight for computer time with my four kids and my
husband, so I don't always have the time to look. Sometimes I wait until my
20 year old goes to bed and I get on between Midnight and 2:00 am. Sometimes
I get up early. Not often though, because I am NOT a morning person. :-)
Yes, people assume you are a fundamentalist if you homeschool. But I
thought I was one too, until I found out that we were different in doing
Halloween, watching and reading Harry Potter, playing Magic cards and Pokemon
(not to mention D&D), unschooling, and many other things. Blew me away! I
am just now realizing that I am not a fundamentalist at all!
Tammy
Thanks. Chicago is still a good distance away, but I may have to just
drive that far to get to one. I will still look for Unschoolers in my area.
I have looked on google, but so far I haven't found any. I won't give up yet
though. I just have to fight for computer time with my four kids and my
husband, so I don't always have the time to look. Sometimes I wait until my
20 year old goes to bed and I get on between Midnight and 2:00 am. Sometimes
I get up early. Not often though, because I am NOT a morning person. :-)
Yes, people assume you are a fundamentalist if you homeschool. But I
thought I was one too, until I found out that we were different in doing
Halloween, watching and reading Harry Potter, playing Magic cards and Pokemon
(not to mention D&D), unschooling, and many other things. Blew me away! I
am just now realizing that I am not a fundamentalist at all!
Tammy
> I forgot where you live when I wrote my first message. You could come to[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> the
> conference in Illinois put on by HOUSE (Home Oriented Unique Schooling
> Experience, I think). Except it's always up here near Chicago, or west of
> it, and it was canceled this year because of facility and capacity
> problems.
>
> I found a site googling one day that listed Unschoolers in various states
> and
> you could add your name and contact information to it if you ever wanted to
>
> be contacted. I bookmarked it, but sadly can't make it upstairs to the
> real
> computer to get it for you. The laptop is modem based and ties up our
> phone
> line. You could try searching in Illinois and Indiana, there might be
> folks
> somewhere close. Or at least not too far.
>
> People these days, and maybe just around here, tend to assume you are a
> fundamentalist if you homeschool. But one look at me and they go to that
> other stereotype - the crunch granola one!
>
> Sorry my suggestion wasn't more helpful to you. You certainly are in a
> pickle.
>
>
Kelli Traaseth
Yeah, yeah, after I wrote it I thought,, hmm,probably not.
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 11/7/02 2:22:17 PM, kellitraas@... writes:
<< Is your group kind-of like Mannheim Steamroller? >>
NO, those new-age poofs!!!
We're doing as close to period as we can.
I like some of their stuff, but mostly "new age music" grates on me somewhere
inside. Unless I'm getting a massage and then the new age soundtrack seems
right.
Sandra, prejudiced against new-age music. <g>
OH! But I do like a lot of the old Steeleye Span music, where they took
medieval ballads and turned them into Rock'n'roll. Rock'n'roll music about
castles and knights. It was like a big wide straddle of folk-rock.
Sandra
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SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 11/7/02 2:22:17 PM, kellitraas@... writes:
<< Is your group kind-of like Mannheim Steamroller? >>
NO, those new-age poofs!!!
We're doing as close to period as we can.
I like some of their stuff, but mostly "new age music" grates on me somewhere
inside. Unless I'm getting a massage and then the new age soundtrack seems
right.
Sandra, prejudiced against new-age music. <g>
OH! But I do like a lot of the old Steeleye Span music, where they took
medieval ballads and turned them into Rock'n'roll. Rock'n'roll music about
castles and knights. It was like a big wide straddle of folk-rock.
Sandra
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In a message dated 11/7/02 3:40:25 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
scheduled mine, she's coming to my house and will most likely bring her new
age music. All this lying on my head stuff has really kinked me up. I'm
sure you can add it to your toll to the hotel...
Elizabeth
SandraDodd@... writes:
> Unless I'm getting a massage and then the new age soundtrack seemsOooooh, Sandra, have you gotten one since you broke your leg? I've just
> right.
scheduled mine, she's coming to my house and will most likely bring her new
age music. All this lying on my head stuff has really kinked me up. I'm
sure you can add it to your toll to the hotel...
Elizabeth