[email protected]

In a message dated 10/31/2002 5:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
> When I read back over this, none of those things sound big enough to be a
> big deal, but they wear on me, a little at a time. I just miss Americans.
> Germans live at a slower pace, and are very formal. They look at you wierd
> if you say hello to them on the street, and never answer.

And, go figure...I'd LOVE to be back in Germany! Where are you? We were in
the Wiesbaden/Mainz area. Cameron was born in the Weisbaden hospital (yuck!).
Our little town was Bodenheim (there's also a Budenheim and a Boedenheim
nearby!<G>). We still have many friends there. We were a little partial to
the weinfests <g>.

I'm relatively fluent, so we were on the economy and pretty much lived German
lives (except for occasional visits to the commissary). I did a few officer
wives things, but I'd rather do "Kaffee und Kuchen" with my neighbors! Most
of our shopping was at the local Metzger and Baekerie. I LIKED knowing that I
had to have everything done by noon on Saturday for a relaxing weekend!
Sometimes my neighbor would pick up Broetchen on Saturday mornings and drop
them on our porch for us to find! I drove all over Europe going to dog shows.
I made a whole 'nother group of dog friends. Many introduced themselves just
to watch me handle (or ask me to handle their dogs! <G>) and to ask about
American shows.

The most "agitated" I got was when we were "short", and I was READY to go
home---THEN I started wishing for all those "American" things---because I
knew we'd be here soon.

As for folks not speaking---I've had more problems with THAT in Yankeeland! <
g> ALL my neighbors/townsfolk were delightful. Everyone knew we were "The
Americans"---and went out of their ways to speak and help! We dressed like
the natives (except when Ben was in uniform, of course!) and tried to fit in
as well as possible. We DID have rockin' Fourth of July blasts and invited
the neighborhood (we taught them how to spit watermelon seeds!)! We made many
good and lifelong friends in the neighborhood.

They ARE more formal---but remember, I'm from the South---that's not abnormal
to me! The biggest day was when the neighbors ask me to call them "du" and
"ihr"---that's when the formalities are gone. We all cried the day we
left---several went to the airport with us! I love and miss those Krauts! <G>

I knew women who NEVER left the base! They shopped at the commissary and
BigX; they went to the base church; they drove their American vans (if they
drove at all); they ate at the bowling alley or Pizza Hut/McD's ; they never
ventured out of the company of Americans. They ALL said how much they HATED
Germans and Germany. (I'm not saying that you're saying this!) I even met a
German woman married to a soldier---her children knew NO German! She didn't
even speak to them in her own languauge in her own country!

Ben and I have discussed going back---for a year or two. I'm not as much a
fan of visiting; I like staying a while. I miss it a lot. I envy your stay
there! <g> Enjoy it while you got it; you're gonna miss it when it's gone!

~Kelly


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Kelli Traaseth

Ok, another dream,,wouldn't it be a blast to save our money for a couple of years or something and get several families together and go to Europe!!
We could stay in hostels or in cheap B & B's, or with friends of friends.

I'll call the trip Unschooling in Europe! Then you talented writers can write a book about it and next we would go to Asia for the next trip, Unschooling in Asia, write another book and so on and so on! OK, so I'm an idea person and I'll shut up now. This is what happens when I wake up in the night and ramble!
Kelli

kbcdlovejo@... wrote:In a message dated 10/31/2002 5:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
> When I read back over this, none of those things sound big enough to be a
> big deal, but they wear on me, a little at a time. I just miss Americans.
> Germans live at a slower pace, and are very formal. They look at you wierd
> if you say hello to them on the street, and never answer.

And, go figure...I'd LOVE to be back in Germany! Where are you? We were in
the Wiesbaden/Mainz area. Cameron was born in the Weisbaden hospital (yuck!).
Our little town was Bodenheim (there's also a Budenheim and a Boedenheim
nearby!<G>). We still have many friends there. We were a little partial to
the weinfests <g>.

I'm relatively fluent, so we were on the economy and pretty much lived German
lives (except for occasional visits to the commissary). I did a few officer
wives things, but I'd rather do "Kaffee und Kuchen" with my neighbors! Most
of our shopping was at the local Metzger and Baekerie. I LIKED knowing that I
had to have everything done by noon on Saturday for a relaxing weekend!
Sometimes my neighbor would pick up Broetchen on Saturday mornings and drop
them on our porch for us to find! I drove all over Europe going to dog shows.
I made a whole 'nother group of dog friends. Many introduced themselves just
to watch me handle (or ask me to handle their dogs! <G>) and to ask about
American shows.

The most "agitated" I got was when we were "short", and I was READY to go
home---THEN I started wishing for all those "American" things---because I
knew we'd be here soon.

As for folks not speaking---I've had more problems with THAT in Yankeeland! <
g> ALL my neighbors/townsfolk were delightful. Everyone knew we were "The
Americans"---and went out of their ways to speak and help! We dressed like
the natives (except when Ben was in uniform, of course!) and tried to fit in
as well as possible. We DID have rockin' Fourth of July blasts and invited
the neighborhood (we taught them how to spit watermelon seeds!)! We made many
good and lifelong friends in the neighborhood.

They ARE more formal---but remember, I'm from the South---that's not abnormal
to me! The biggest day was when the neighbors ask me to call them "du" and
"ihr"---that's when the formalities are gone. We all cried the day we
left---several went to the airport with us! I love and miss those Krauts! <G>

I knew women who NEVER left the base! They shopped at the commissary and
BigX; they went to the base church; they drove their American vans (if they
drove at all); they ate at the bowling alley or Pizza Hut/McD's ; they never
ventured out of the company of Americans. They ALL said how much they HATED
Germans and Germany. (I'm not saying that you're saying this!) I even met a
German woman married to a soldier---her children knew NO German! She didn't
even speak to them in her own languauge in her own country!

Ben and I have discussed going back---for a year or two. I'm not as much a
fan of visiting; I like staying a while. I miss it a lot. I envy your stay
there! <g> Enjoy it while you got it; you're gonna miss it when it's gone!

~Kelly


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Shyrley

On 1 Nov 02, at 1:11, Kelli Traaseth wrote:

>
> Ok, another dream,,wouldn't it be a blast to save our money for a
> couple of years or something and get several families together and go
> to Europe!! We could stay in hostels or in cheap B & B's, or with
> friends of friends.
>
> I'll call the trip Unschooling in Europe! Then you talented writers
> can write a book about it and next we would go to Asia for the next
> trip, Unschooling in Asia, write another book and so on and so on!
> OK, so I'm an idea person and I'll shut up now. This is what
> happens when I wake up in the night and ramble! Kelli
>
Funny you should say that. I'm going to Hesfes (Home_educators
Seaside Festival -week long HE camp) back home next May and
am toying with the idea of ambling off in France and Germany.
Y'all should come.

Shyrley


"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

Kelli Traaseth

Oh, don't tempt me or you'll have me and my three with, I'm known for doing things like that!
Tell me about the conference and what you are thinking, if you are serious.
All I have to say to my dh is "Europe"and he would be all over it.
We've said we want to go back over there and May would be a good time, he loves England but has only been there twice. He has some friends of his family in London so we could visit them, but I'm not sure where the conference is that you're talking about.
Ok, I'll stop now, my fingers can't keep up with my brain.
Oh and I have friends in different parts of France, and connections in Germany too.
Ok, I'll really stop now.
Kelli, jumping at going!
Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...> wrote:On 1 Nov 02, at 1:11, Kelli Traaseth wrote:

>
> Ok, another dream,,wouldn't it be a blast to save our money for a
> couple of years or something and get several families together and go
> to Europe!! We could stay in hostels or in cheap B & B's, or with
> friends of friends.
>
> I'll call the trip Unschooling in Europe! Then you talented writers
> can write a book about it and next we would go to Asia for the next
> trip, Unschooling in Asia, write another book and so on and so on!
> OK, so I'm an idea person and I'll shut up now. This is what
> happens when I wake up in the night and ramble! Kelli
>
Funny you should say that. I'm going to Hesfes (Home_educators
Seaside Festival -week long HE camp) back home next May and
am toying with the idea of ambling off in France and Germany.
Y'all should come.

Shyrley


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Alan & Brenda Leonard

11/1/02 07:36:

> I envy your stay
> there! <g> Enjoy it while you got it; you're gonna miss it when it's gone!

Yes, Kelly, I'm enjoying it. But my situation is very different than yours,
and I also don't like being here. I am entitled to that, although sometimes
it leaves me feeling torn.

I don't know when you were here, but much has changed in recent years. Most
people do not live on the economy now. There are so many closed posts, that
there is lots of extra housing. Obviously that colors my view of this
country. Much has changed here since September 11th, too. All posts are
closed, all housing areas are closed. Armed guards walk our perimeters at
all times. The Germans do not like being locked out of areas they used to
walk through, and we are much more seperated from each other these days.

Friedberg and Giessen together have 1 brigade and the BSB. We have 1 px, 2
small commisaries, and 2 shopettes. It's nothing like the facilities at
Wiesbaden and Mainz. I do get off the base, quite a lot. I find that in
larger towns, particularly Frankfurt and Wiesbaden, there are lots of
foreigners and they're more tolerated than they are here in my small town.

I do know people who don't get out and hate Germany. But I know that many
people, like myself, miss America a lot, yet still try, still travel, and
see this as a mixed blessing. Does that make sense?

brenda

Shyrley

On 1 Nov 02, at 9:22, Kelli Traaseth wrote:

>
> Oh, don't tempt me or you'll have me and my three with, I'm known for
> doing things like that! Tell me about the conference and what you are
> thinking, if you are serious.

Hesfes is brilliant fun. The campground is on the English South
coast near a fantastic beach for finding fossils. There are
workshops and bands. All sorts of kid stuff.
The whole campground is booked by hesfes.
Go to www.hesfes.co.uk to read all about it and see piccies from
the last two years.
I couldn't go this year for finacial reasons but wild horses wouldn't
keep me away next year. I also have a 8 person tent if anyone
wants to share.
What I plan to do is fly over for hesfes then go camping in Cornwall
for a bit then head into France and Germany fora few weeks before
returning to England and flying home.

All I have to say to my dh is
> "Europe"and he would be all over it. We've said we want to go back
> over there and May would be a good time, he loves England but has
> only been there twice. He has some friends of his family in London so
> we could visit them, but I'm not sure where the conference is that
> you're talking about.

It's in Charmouth. About 3 hours from London. Wonderful village.


Ok, I'll stop now, my fingers can't keep up
> with my brain. Oh and I have friends in different parts of France, and
> connections in Germany too. Ok, I'll really stop now. Kelli, jumping
> at going!

Lets go!!!
You can fly to Dulles( Minn-London flights go via Dulles). I'll join
you onna plane and off we go. See London. Camp with 1500 mainly
unschoolers and then drink wine in France.
Sound good?

Shyrley



"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

Kelli Traaseth

Sounds like a blast!! I'm going to run it by my hubby. Does your husband go with? Mine would probably want to go.
Kelli
Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...> wrote:On 1 Nov 02, at 9:22, Kelli Traaseth wrote:

>
> Oh, don't tempt me or you'll have me and my three with, I'm known for
> doing things like that! Tell me about the conference and what you are
> thinking, if you are serious.

Hesfes is brilliant fun. The campground is on the English South
coast near a fantastic beach for finding fossils. There are
workshops and bands. All sorts of kid stuff.
The whole campground is booked by hesfes.
Go to www.hesfes.co.uk to read all about it and see piccies from
the last two years.
I couldn't go this year for finacial reasons but wild horses wouldn't
keep me away next year. I also have a 8 person tent if anyone
wants to share.
What I plan to do is fly over for hesfes then go camping in Cornwall
for a bit then head into France and Germany fora few weeks before
returning to England and flying home.

All I have to say to my dh is
> "Europe"and he would be all over it. We've said we want to go back
> over there and May would be a good time, he loves England but has
> only been there twice. He has some friends of his family in London so
> we could visit them, but I'm not sure where the conference is that
> you're talking about.

It's in Charmouth. About 3 hours from London. Wonderful village.


Ok, I'll stop now, my fingers can't keep up
> with my brain. Oh and I have friends in different parts of France, and
> connections in Germany too. Ok, I'll really stop now. Kelli, jumping
> at going!

Lets go!!!
You can fly to Dulles( Minn-London flights go via Dulles). I'll join
you onna plane and off we go. See London. Camp with 1500 mainly
unschoolers and then drink wine in France.
Sound good?

Shyrley



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Shyrley

On 1 Nov 02, at 17:10, Kelli Traaseth wrote:

>
> Sounds like a blast!! I'm going to run it by my hubby. Does your
> husband go with? Mine would probably want to go. Kelli


My husband wont be coming. Unfortunately he has to work plus
someone has to stay and look after the dogs n cats. They are
unvaccinated so we can't stick 'em in kennels.
I'm used to travelling with the kids and without him so it doesn't
bother me.
I'll be booking my hesfes tickets just after xmas. Its tent camping
although I think there are some caravans for hire. Mind you, they
are off the main site and a lot of the fun at Hesfes is in sitting
outside poeple's tents and talking. The kids run lose over the
campground. Lots of warm clothes as England can be chilly at
night in May and rainy.
Most people who go are unschoolers and are alternative :-)

Shyrley


"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/15/2004 1:35:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

I don't know if they'd be living on a base or out on the economy, but if they
are on a base then they would follow under the DODDS, which from what I
understand isn't that big a deal. They may have to submit a form to the local
school principal, etc. notifying them that they are homeschooling. If they are out
on the economy then they are subject to local rules if I am not mistaken...<<<


They are allowed to homeschool whether they live on base or on the economy.

~Kelly


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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:44:31 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

We found the beds to be interesting as well. When we first arrived
there, we stayed in a hotel for a few weeks. Instead of a big double
bed, there were 2 single beds with wooden frames around them, and they
were pushed together. But it wasn't really like a big bed because
there was wood in the middle! And instead of disgusting hotel
bedspreads that rarely get washed here in the U.S., they had down
comforters and changed the comforter covers every day. They hung the
comforters out of the (unscreened) windows to air them out. You could
see comforters hanging out of windows all over the place.


The beds used to DRIVE US CRAZY!!!! We lived in Germany for 7 years. Also,
Tupperware, European Tupperware is all very very small sized oriented.
Unique, but small. We'd call the soda delivery and they'd deliver cases of cola,
spezi, and several other flavors right to our door, anytime. We'd pay our
monthly bill. Pizzas were large rectangles, not circles. The layout of apts
was confusing. In one apt we rented, you had to walk through absolutely every
room of the house to get to the bathroom. I loved watching the weddings,
we lived across the street from a church. They would have horse-drawn
carriages, beautiful gowns, and LOTS of bells.

Spc in Mo

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