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Two BIG indicators that Jesus is no peacnik.

AND that he would've made a really bad military strategist.

Also, a clue that maybe priests and nuns are the only ones going to heaven.






  Mat 10:34   Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not
to send peace, but a sword.
  
  Mat 10:35   For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her
mother in law.
  
  Mat 10:36   And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.
  
  Mat 10:37   He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of
me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
  
  Mat 10:38   And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is
not worthy of me.
  
  Mat 10:39   He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth
his life for my sake shall find it.


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Mat 19:29   And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters,
or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake,
shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

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Mar 10:29   And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no
man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or
wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
  
  Mar 10:30   But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses,
and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with
persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

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  Luk 5:3   And he entered into one of the ships, which was Simon's, and
prayed him that he would thrust out a little from the land. And he sat down,
and taught the people out of the ship.
  
  Luk 5:4   Now when he had left speaking, he said unto Simon, Launch out
into the deep, and let down your nets for a draught.
  
  Luk 5:5   And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all
the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy word I will let down
the net.
  
  Luk 5:6   And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude
of fishes: and their net brake.
  
  Luk 5:7   And they beckoned unto [their] partners, which were in the
other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled
both the ships, so that they began to sink.
  
  Luk 5:8   When Simon Peter saw [it], he fell down at Jesus' knees,
saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.
  
  Luk 5:9   For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the
draught of the fishes which they had taken:
  
  Luk 5:10   And so [was] also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which
were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from
henceforth thou shalt catch men.
  
  Luk 5:11   And when they had brought their ships to land, they forsook
all, and followed him.

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  Luk 14:26  If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and
mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.
  
  Luk 14:27   And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me,
cannot be my disciple.
  
  Luk 14:28   For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not
down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have [sufficient] to finish
[it]?
  
  Luk 14:29   Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not
able to finish [it], all that behold [it] begin to mock him,
  
  Luk 14:30   Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
  
  Luk 14:31   Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth
not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet
him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
  
  Luk 14:32   Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth
an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
  
  Luk 14:33   So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all
that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

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Luk 20:35   But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,
and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

kayb85

>   Mat 10:35   For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father,
> and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law
against her
> mother in law.

What He's saying there is that some people are going to turn against
you if you follow Christ.

For example, I have a friend who became a born again Christian after
she got married. Her husband got very upset. They ended up being
seperated and him telling her that they would never get back together
unless she stop being a Christian. Therefore, she had to choose
between Christ and her husband. She chose Christ, but her husband
knows that if he ever wants to take her back, she's there.

> Luk 20:35   But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that
world,
> and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in
marriage:

If you read that in context with the verses around it, it's saying
that we won't get married in heaven. It's not saying that only
unmarried people can get into heaven.

Luke 20:33-36
(Saducees questioning Jesus)"Now then, at the resurrection whose wife
will she be, since the sever were married to her?"

"Jesus replied, 'The people of this age marry and are given in
marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that
age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be
given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the
angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the
resurrection."

Sheila

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In a message dated 10/27/02 5:43:26 PM, sheran@... writes:

<< What He's saying there is that some people are going to turn against

you if you follow Christ. >>

Please don't tell us what he's saying. I know whether you know or not that
there's not a verse in there that hasn't been interpretted three or four
different ways by different people for different purposes.

Sandra

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-=- For a time, he traveled to England, where a disciple of his, Douglas
Dewar, enthusiastically echoed his mentor, saying bluntly, "The Bible cannot
contain false statements, and so if its statements undoubtedly conflict with
the views of geologists, these latter are wrong." (cited in Numbers, 1992, p.
146) Much of Price's "flood geology" can be found, nearly intact, in the
writings of modern creationists. -=-

This is from an article on creation "science" at
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/whoare.htm

It's really interesting all in and of itself, but it caused me a couple of
thoughts. One was an article in Home Schooling Digest which claimed that any
math that's in the Bible must be correct, and so anyone who tries to prove
otherwise is anti-Christian. (Party about pi, but other things... I wish
that article were on line. I should look again.)

This came up because a childless friend of mine in Arkansas came up with a
little tirade on homeschooling, and in defending myself, I described the kind
of homeschoolers I'm guessing he might have come across there.

And then I wondered whether maybe it's easier to be a really good
fundamentalist when surrounded by people who are that way. Most people are
sheep, not leaders. And so if the sheep can't shake a crook without hitting
another fundamentalist "shepherd," that's a pretty tight pen.

And I wondered whether the Bible Beittle hills covered over with green. I
wonder whether it's harder to be a young earth proponent in a place like Utah
or Colorado, with BIG mountains. Or in Europe, where even the local history
is as nearly as old as claims of young-earth creationists.

Just curious.

Once again I've had to explain that I'm not like THOSE homeschoolers.

Sandra