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In a message dated 10/24/02 11:44:08 PM, Dnowens@... writes:

<< She said if I ever have
another baby I need to get a pump from a reputable company, and apparently
they are expensive. But I am just mad, so mad. Do you all see how mad I am?
Why are formula companies making breast pumps? How fair is that? So many
women, discouraged at the 1/2 oz. of milk produced after 15 minutes of
pumping! >>

Just for the record, I have used cheapo ones with good results, but Holly had
a weird oddity about her and I had to use an electric pumps at first. The
electric pump was expensive, I rented it from a woman who was also a LLLeader
and that's all fine and good.

About the little ones, it will work if you think of needing to stimulate the
let-down of the milk.

Now if a guy goes to donate sperm, I hear they put him in a room with some
certain sort of magazines to look at. If they put him in a room with
certain OTHER kinds of magazines to look at, he would not be able to do
what's necessary to unnaturally ... you know.

So with breast pumps. It helps if you have a t-shirt of the baby to smell,
and a photo of the baby, and you sit in a quiet, partly dark room and THINK
about the baby. Because there needs to be a biochemical change for the milk
to let down. And you can think the biochemical change into happening.

I could get two or three ounces at a time. But after a while, I got to
where I would just express into a mixing bowl (awkward position, but more
milk quicker sometimes).

(Nancy, if you knew all that sorry for repeating it, but maybe there are
other yet-to-nurse-babies moms here who didn't know.)

Sandra

Mary Bianco

I actually tried two from a store that were more like torture for me. I've
always had a lot of milk and new what drips I was getting just wasn't quite
right. I finally ended up just manually expressing into a container. After
my first, I just made sure I was never far away from the baby to need one.
Of course movies were out for long time but what the heck!! It was for a
good cause!!!

Mary B

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In a message dated 10/25/02 6:18:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> (Nancy, if you knew all that sorry for repeating it, but maybe there are
> other yet-to-nurse-babies moms here who didn't know.)
>
> Sandra

Oh, no! Thank you! The reason I posted was because I thought others should
know. I'm glad others didn't have the problems I had with the pumps. I loved
to nurse, I just wished at times that Darin could have fed them (he really
wanted to) or I could have been away from them for more than two to four
hours. And when I found out that formula companies make breast pumps, I was
slightly outraged. I mean, why make a product that would help someone so they
didn't have to use the product you are making millions and billions on? And
that is why they make them so ineffective, so moms will quit and use formula.
I wanted any other mom to know that *if* they were having problems pumping,
and thought it was just them, that they might want to try another, not made
by a formula co.
~Nancy


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This topic might be over by now, the delay in my catching up on emails is
annoying even me!

I worked until my babies were 6 and 18 months, so I pumped a lot. I had a
Medela pump in style and got very proficient at it. Nursed my first until 11
months when I had to stop because of a placenta preevia bleed, was
hospitalized and needed to end all possible uterine contractions or my
daughter would have come even earlier. I used the pump with my daughter too,
but as soon as I quit my job, she refused to take a bottle and I ended up
tossing a lot of the frozen breast milk. I got so good with that machine
that my best place to pump was in the car, in traffic on my way to and from
work. It was a little tricky to operate a stick shift and the pump, but it
worked fine.

I do know, however, that pumps and their efficiency is a highly personal
thing for each mom. I never could hand express, but know a lot of moms who
could and did that exclusively.

Elizabeth