Amie

I am pretty new to this list. My name is Amie, I have 5 yr old twin boys. I feel like we have been unschooling since day one, but the older they get, the more nervous I get it seems. Is this normal? Also, I am wondering, I feel like I don't know what to do with myself so much of the time. Do most of you have hobbies, and things of your own that you are into? Do you feel isolated? I do! My kids don't seem ready to try alot of new things-I have thoughts that I am not providing a stimulating environment for them. Then, I ask, what is a stimulating environment?! How often do your kids get together with other kids? And what type of activities do you do with other kids and families?
It seems like I am walking in circles some days, not knowing what to do, or what I "should" be doing. How did you learn to trust that everything will be ok, that kids will learn what they need to. Even after all of the reading I've done, I still am somewhat scared. I am so worried that my kids are going to miss something!
Ok, enough questions!

Thanks!
Amie


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Mary Bianco

>From: "Amie" <tcee1@...>

<<I am pretty new to this list. My name is Amie, I have 5 yr old twin boys.
I feel like we have been unschooling since day one, but the older they get,
the more nervous I get it seems. Is this normal? Also, I am wondering, I
feel like I don't know what to do with myself so much of the time. Do most
of you have hobbies, and things of your own that you are into? Do you feel
isolated? I do! My kids don't seem ready to try alot of new things-I have
thoughts that I am not providing a stimulating environment for them. Then, I
ask, what is a stimulating environment?! How often do your kids get together
with other kids? And what type of activities do you do with other kids and
families?
>It seems like I am walking in circles some days, not knowing what to do, or
>what I "should" be doing. How did you learn to trust that everything will
>be ok, that kids will learn what they need to. Even after all of the
>reading I've done, I still am somewhat scared. I am so worried that my kids
>are going to miss something! Ok, enough questions!>>


I know many parents who do get nervous along the way. Whether they unschool
or do school at home. Some people just question if they are doing the right
thing. I think it's a matter of the person. I know people who question every
day but still do a great job. Sometimes it goes in spurts and some people,
like me, are just so comfortable with it all, they don't even bother to
question. I have not yet come to thinking for an instance I'm not doing the
right thing. And so far, not been nervous about it. My day may come!! I also
thing it really helps to have a great support system. Whether it's family,
friends or a support group. My husband and I joined a local homeschooling
group, very friendly to unschoolers when our son was 2. He is now the oldest
being unschooled. I guess we all grew up knowing and seeing it was the right
thing. That's maybe why we are so comfortable.

As far as hobbies and such, it's my family and house. That's it for me. I
really have no time for anything else. For me it works. I guess my computer
is my down time and possibly a hobby. I enjoy it and it's interesting to me
all the stuff I run into surfing. My therapy is outside watering the
grass!!! Sounds stupid as we have a sprinkler system but I go out alone with
the dogs and stand with the hose and just water!! My husband thinks I'm
nuts.

My kids are 16, 7, 6, and 2. (I'm sounding like a broken record here if you
are reading all my posts!) My oldest goes to school. I don't feel like my
children at the ages they are at, need a lot of time with other children.
They have friends who come over but it's not a weekly thing. For us, right
now, I feel it's important for them to spend time together. When they get
older, I'm sure it will be different.

We do quite a few field trips with our support group. My two middle kids
also go every Friday to a homeschooling sports camp at the local park for 3
hours. They wouldn't miss that for the world. This months so far we have
done a field trip to the local newspaper and football stadium. We had one
park day and one yet to come. We also have another field trip to a heavy
machinery co. and one for Legend of Sleep Hollow. Plus with Halloween coming
up, we have activities at 3 different community centers and library. My
youngest is also having a birthday which means the local carnival will help
us celebrate. So we are active and my kids get out quite often. They hang
with other kids at the field trips and parks and sports camp, but spend a
lot of family time at home too. This month was a busy one for us. Most of
the time it's a few park days and 1-2 field trips a month. In between,
they'll have a friend over or we'll do outside stuff together.

They also want to do Spanish or French class once a week. They havent'
decided which one yet. I will set ip up for them when they decide and when
things slow down a bit, which will probably be next month. Too much for us
at this age, doesn't work. Too many days from home and my kids act like they
never get to play with their things. When they get older, I'm sure they will
need more time with others and I will provide that. For right now, they
don't and I really don't either. I don't even go to the grocery store alone
as there is always someone who wants to come along. It works for us but if
one needs to get out or the kids are showing signs that they need other kid
time more, than go with that. You have to just trust your kids to know what
they need and follow that lead. It just makes it easier if they all are
social or not together!!!! So far, mine have been cooperating!!

Mary B


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>
>
> I know many parents who do get nervous along the way. Whether they
unschool
> or do school at home. Some people just question if they are doing the
right
> thing. I think it's a matter of the person. I know people who question
every
> day but still do a great job. Sometimes it goes in spurts and some people,
> like me, are just so comfortable with it all, they don't even bother to
> question.

For the mothers who worry in spurts, keep on eye on your cycles. <g> I
used to post to the Canadian list every so often about my worries and fears.
Then one member pointed out that I was doing this approximately once a month
and what was up with that. Now I'm getting to that age where I worry much
less regularly. LOL!
Tia

Mary Bianco

>From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>

<<For the mothers who worry in spurts, keep on eye on your cycles. <g> I
used to post to the Canadian list every so often about my worries and fears.
Then one member pointed out that I was doing this approximately once a month
and what was up with that. Now I'm getting to that age where I worry much
less regularly. LOL!>>

LOL!!! Well at least you have yours all figured out!!

Mary B


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Peggy

Tia wrote:

> For the mothers who worry in spurts, keep on eye on your cycles. <g> I
> used to post to the Canadian list every so often about my worries and fears.
> Then one member pointed out that I was doing this approximately once a month
> and what was up with that. Now I'm getting to that age where I worry much
> less regularly. LOL!
> Tia

LOL! I noticed that on a small mom's list I was on. Certain threads always ran
in - cycles.

Peggy

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In a message dated 10/13/02 1:08:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
peggy@... writes:


> LOL! I noticed that on a small mom's list I was on. Certain threads always
> ran
> in - cycles.
>
> Peggy
>

Certain threads run in cycles here too! <g>
~Nancy


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the_clevengers

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Amie" <tcee1@f...> wrote:
> I am pretty new to this list. My name is Amie, I have 5 yr old twin
>boys. I feel like we have been unschooling since day one, but the
>older they get, the more nervous I get it seems. Is this normal? <<

I think that's pretty normal. Anytime you reach outside the norms
that society puts out there, it's normal and probably healthy to
question what you're doing, whether it's working, whether it's the
right thing to do. It's probably a good idea for everyone to do so,
but when you're following the path of least resistance (which in our
society is school), people are less inclined to worry about it.

>>Also, I am wondering, I feel like I don't know what to do with
>myself so much of the time. Do most of you have hobbies, and things
>of your own that you are into? >>

Yes, probably too many, LOL! But I had kids relatively late (started
at 30) and had a bunch of things I already loved to do. Some of those
I've dropped or temporarily put on hold (my scuba gear has sat in the
closet for 7+ years now), but some I still try to do, and other new
ones I've added. Mostly I've prioritized down to the one or two
things I get the most enjoyment out of and try to concentrate on
those. For me right now, those are doing triathlons (with the
training that goes along) and writing fiction.

>>Do you feel isolated?>>

No, but then I am really fortunate in that I live in an area with a
lot of very active homeschoolers, and that I've met an awesome group
of other homeschooling families that we hang out with. I feel like I
get a full measure of interesting and stimulating conversation each
week, because the other moms in my group are so interesting and
varied! Yes, I know I'm very lucky. But I've also put in work to make
this happen (as have all of the other moms).

>>Then, I ask, what is a stimulating environment?! How often do your
>kids get together with other kids? And what type of activities do
you
>do with other kids and families?>>

I think what is stimulating for each child or family is unique. My DH
and I, and not surprisingly our kids are all very active, very social
people. So we tend to enjoy things that go along with our natures.
Our kids probably get together with other kids about 4 - 6 days a
week. Regularly, we have homeschool singing group on one day, park
day or (wintertime) gym day on another. We have a neighborhood
playgroup as well, and then swimming lessons on another day. I try to
leave at least one "free" day in the week, but that inevitably gets
filled with some sort of playdate or field trip. Saturdays are
usually a family-only day, and some Sundays we go to church, where a
lot of the kids homeschooling friends go as well. In the summer, we
camp a lot, usually with other homeschooling families. Often we go
mid-week with just the moms and kids. This summer, I trained with 3
other homeschooling moms for triathlons, so we spent many days at
parks and up at the lake watching each others kids while we swam or
biked or ran (ar all three!). We've also done field trips to fire
stations, bakeries, fish hatcheries, etc. But overall, I'd put my
family on the very social, very active end of the spectrum. This is
what all of us enjoy, and every time I try to have a couple of "quiet
days at home", all chaos ensues. All 4 of us thrive on being active.
I think what will work for any given family really depends a lot on
what sorts of interests and temperaments the family members have, and
what is "stimulating" for one, would be overload for another.

> It seems like I am walking in circles some days, not knowing what
>to do, or what I "should" be doing.<<

There is no "should" to unschooling. Do what works best for you and
for your family. If you're happy, healthy, enjoying life and whatever
activities you do, then it's workgin!

>> How did you learn to trust that everything will be ok, that kids
>will learn what they need to.>>

I dunno, I've always believed it. And both DH and I know for a fact
that following the status quo of school didn't work for either of us.
I don't think we could do worse than that, so I know we're doing
fine, if that makes sense. As for the kids learning, I've seen it in
action. Though we don't spend much time on academic type things, my
son has seemed to pick up all of the same stuff that his friends
who've gone off to Kindergarten or first grade do from sitting in a
classroom all day. He'll come out with things like "Mom, if I take
these 12 peanuts, I can give 3 of them to each of us". Well, that's
division folks, and he didn't have to be drilled with it to figure it
out. He's also motivated to do things like reading and writing
because of his other interests. One day he wrote out a bunch of signs
for his Lego people, another day he sounded out all the names of
Pokemon characters in a book. He just does these things because he's
interested and learning all the time. The intrinsic desire to learn
and grow has never been removed. It's there from birth.

>>I am so worried that my kids are going to miss something!
> Ok, enough questions!

Well, maybe it would help to sit down and make a list of things
you're worried that they're "missing". Then you can look at each item
and either decide it's silly, not worth worrying about, or valid and
you can figure out a way to address it.

Best of luck! As with all of life, the fun is in the journey. The
destination is just a mirage on the road. :-)

Blue Skies,

-Robin-

Deborah Lewis

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:01:08 -0400 "Amie" <tcee1@...> writes:
> I am pretty new to this list. My name is Amie, I have 5 yr old twin
> boys. I feel like we have been unschooling since day one, but the
> older they get, the more nervous I get it seems. Is this normal?

Sandra Dodd says you can't claim to unschool since birth because you
don't really know the dynamics of NOT sending them to school until
they're that age and everyone else's child is going off to school and
everyone you know expects yours to do the same.
That's why your nervous! They are now officially school age! You
really are on the spot now!<g>
But if you pass the first day of kindergarten and their home with you
you're on your way, and when they are compulsory school age in your state
and rolling in the grass in your back yard instead of sitting at a desk,
SHAZAM!

We listen more than we should to other peoples concerns, but we don't
have to. Let your children show you how to not worry.

> Also, I am wondering, I feel like I don't know what to do with
> myself so much of the time. Do most of you have hobbies, and things
> of your own that you are into? Do you feel isolated? I do! My kids
> don't seem ready to try a lot of new things-I have thoughts that I am
> not providing a stimulating environment for them. Then, I ask, what
> is a stimulating environment?! How often do your kids get together
> with other kids? And what type of activities do you do with other
> kids and families?

When I have free time, time where Dylan's busy and doesn't need me
around, I clean<g> garden, read, read about birds, watch birds, feed
birds, paint birds (I like birds) write poetry (not usually about
birds). I look stuff up that I think Dylan would like and then share it
with him if he's interested.

I don't know how to address the isolation issue. I've always been odd,
liked being by myself, I don't fit in where we live now, but I have some
good friends and really, much as I love them, I don't feel the need to be
around them a lot. I'm happy on my own. I find friendships take a lot
of energy that I'd rather be expending on other things right now. I
don't mean that in the harsh way it sounds, just my need for
companionship seems to be less than other folks'. Maybe you could get
out with a friend on the weekend, join something.

Your kids are little and would probably love just playing in a sand box,
or going to the park and climbing around on stuff. If they have toys
and a yard and a mom who will read to them and games to play if they want
to, TV and drawing stuff and books, then I'd say you're providing a
stimulating environment. I don't think you need to worry about getting
them to the Met or the Art Institute of Chicago just yet.

Dylan had a three regular friends that he'd get together with, but they
all moved away at about the same time when he was almost seven. After
that I offered to watch other moms kids after school for a few hours so
Dylan would have company. Lots of moms are looking for nice kids to
introduce their own kids too, not just homeschooling moms. You might
meet some at the park once or twice a week. Your kids will let you know
when they want to be with other kids.

> It seems like I am walking in circles some days, not knowing what to
> do, or what I "should" be doing. How did you learn to trust that
> everything will be ok, that kids will learn what they need to. Even
> after all of the reading I've done, I still am somewhat scared. I am
> so worried that my kids are going to miss something!
> Ok, enough questions!

Yeah, that part is hard because we have really heard about the importance
of school. You just need to keep reinforcing what you already know.
Being in contact with people who think like you do will help. This list
and others if you can stand all that reading! Print out the stories
about older unschoolers and read them again if it helps. Look at your
happy kids! Remember people are learning creatures. They were learning
before they ever thought of school. Look at how much your little kids
know right now.

Eat chocolate. That always helps.

Deb L

Todd M.

At 03:01 AM 10/13/02 -0400, you wrote:

>I am pretty new to this list. My name is Amie, I have 5 yr old twin boys.
==
Welcome to the list :) Our kids are 10 (well, almost) and 7 :)

> I feel like we have been unschooling since day one, but the older they
> get, the more nervous I get it seems. Is this normal?
==
Personally, I think it is, but it passes the longer you unschool. Which, by
the way, doesn't mean un-parenting. <smile> The first year or so that we
knew we were probably going to go the unschooling route, we wandered about
what we should "do" with the kids. Slowly but surely, we've learned to
relax, and stopped worrying about what "things" they've learned, and just
let them live free. To me, freedom means freedom to do 'whatever' whenever,
as long as you're enjoying it :-D

>Do most of you have hobbies, and things of your own that you are into? Do
>you feel isolated? I do!
==
Luckily for us, we have animals to tend when we're home, as well as
email.<g> Sometimes we just veg. in front of a screen, whether it be a T.V
or computer :) Most time it's not like that though. Got enough housework to
do, books to read, wood to bring in, animals to tend, email to read,
conversations to have, music to hear, dancing to be done, etc. Can't say
that we're ever "bored" because there's always *something* to do. And when
there's not...naps are good too. <G> We live wayyyy out in the boonies, and
love it. We belong to a Spiral Scouts circle that meets twice a month that
with kids and parents of all ages.

As Mary says, "Life is good" :-)

Todd
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Kimber

<<<Sandra Dodd says you can't claim to unschool since birth because you
don't really know the dynamics of NOT sending them to school until
they're that age and everyone else's child is going off to school and
everyone you know expects yours to do the same. >>>>


Okay, I have read that from Sandra in the past and this time I saw that statement I thought of a question.

After my son was born, I was off the usual 6 weeks and then returned to work putting him in childcare. He was usually there about 9 hours a day.
He went for the first 3 years of his life. In my working environment, it was the norm to come back and happily put your child in daycare. It was expected and I really didn't think I had a choice. Is that reverse women's lib? I had a good education, a good paying job (over $18/hour)that I enjoyed (a mammographer). How could I waste all of that by staying home?

Well, that's what I thought until my daughter was born. I decided that there was NO WAY I could be away from her like I had been with my son. I quit working during the week and pulled 16 hour shifts on the weekend so she would not have to go to childcare and my son could be home all day during the week for the first time. She was only looked after by family/friends until she was 4 and went to preschool 2 or 3 days a month. I feel that her early childhood education was more of an unschooling style than my son who attended preschool. Was she just UNdaycared?? :)

Just curious.....
Kimber


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Mary Bianco

>From: "Kimber" <snibbor@...>

<<I feel that her early childhood education was more of an unschooling style
than my son who attended preschool. Was she just UNdaycared??:)>>


I personally think you can unschool from birth, only because unschooling to
me means a lot more than just not doing school. Maybe it's a new term I
need, but that's what I and other unschoolers get out of it. More than just
educational needs. Most unschoolers say it's a lifestyle choice and that
definitely starts at birth with children.

Mary B




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In a message dated 10/14/2002 9:27:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Most unschoolers say it's a lifestyle choice and that
> definitely starts at birth with children

This is the part I agree with; I feel that the mindset of unschooling and the
knowing that this is your lifestyle can happen before compulsory school-age,
which can be as old as 8 in some states.
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