This is it!!!
Maria
Hey everyone, I wanted to share an article I just stumbled across.
It brought to mind something from my childhood.
I dropped out of highschool, because teachers thought I was a
troublemaker, when in fact I didn't want to cause trouble, I just
wanted someone to understand me. In 8th grade I had a teacher, that
wasn't strict but kind and understanding. When I got into a fight in
her classroom, she didn't send me to in house suspention. She made
me spend my lunch time watching romeo and juliet in her room. When I
told my algebra teacher to shut up, she sent me to my english
teacher, because word was she was the only one that "knew how to
handle me". My teacher made me read Moby Dick the rest of the day.
She introduced to me a love of reading that has stayed with me to
this day, and I WOULD NEVER smart mouth or be rude to my english
teacher because she was the only kind teacher I had. That love of
reading helped me pass my GED with flying colors (3rd best score that
year out of 516 students) and has also helped me to teach myself
various skills where I can work form home.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/unschoolingadd.html
that article reminded me of my old english teacher. Mirial isn't
bad,she just needs to be intorduced to somethign that she will love
as much as I did reading.
And she's NOT DUMB!!!
This is form the article:
The highly creative individual has the ability to take dissimilar
pieces of information and join them in completely new ways. Artists
of all kinds, musicians, writers, entrepreneurs, scientists,
mathematicians, engineers, troubleshooters, and inventors all depend
on creativity. Many parents of Hunter or Edison-trait children are
quite aware that there is a large overlap between what we call ADD
and creativity, even if their children have never taken a test for
creativity. It's that obvious.
Traits of Gifted/Creative Kids (From the National Foundation for the
Gifted and Creative)
* High sensitivity
* Excessive amounts of energy.
* Bores easily and may appear to have a short attention span.
* Requires emotionally stable and secure adults around him/her.
* Will resist authority if it not democratically oriented.
* Have preferred ways of learning; particularly in reading and
mathematics.
* May become easily frustrated because of his/her big ideas and not
having the resources or people to assist him/her in carrying these
tasks to fruition.
* Learns from an exploratory level and resists rote memory and just
being a listener.
* Cannot sit still unless absorbed in something of his/her own
interest.
* Very compassionate and has many fears such as death and loss of
loved ones.
* If they experience failure early, may give up and develop permanent
learning blocks.
Mirial fits all those to a T!!!
think I'm going to be spending the rest of this week, and most of
next week, not teachign the children, but teaching me. I need to
learn how to let them teach me how to teach them best!!!
It just hit me, Kind of like out of the blue. They can learn, they
will learn, but it needs to be THEM doing the learning and not me
forcing some stupid guidelines I got from the dept of education on
them. (no not require by law, just some I got form the website)
I'm the one that needs the brain adjustment, NOT THEM. Sorry, I know
I have read alot, but it just hit me. Nothing is wrong with my
babies AT ALL. What's wrong is teacher's and myself included, trying
to force something on them they aren't ready for, that they can learn
in thier own time with my guidance!!! That's kind of like forcing
liver on them, when they would rather have chicken.
Sorry, I wanted to share this wonderful article, and the light just
flickered on. I think I finally understand what unschooling is all
about. I was looking at it as fun teaching, when that's not all it's
about. it's about fun teaching that the CHILDREN choose what they
want to learn, based on what they want to do at that given time!!!
Me thinks I'll go tear down those phonics sheets now, I wasn't taught
using phonics so I don't undertsand them properly anyway. They
confused the snot out of me, and I was trying to usethe teacher
guidelines which didn't make any sense too me, because I was like OK
this is the rule to teach today, but golly that rule doesn't apply to
alot of the bigger words they will need later.
Maria
It brought to mind something from my childhood.
I dropped out of highschool, because teachers thought I was a
troublemaker, when in fact I didn't want to cause trouble, I just
wanted someone to understand me. In 8th grade I had a teacher, that
wasn't strict but kind and understanding. When I got into a fight in
her classroom, she didn't send me to in house suspention. She made
me spend my lunch time watching romeo and juliet in her room. When I
told my algebra teacher to shut up, she sent me to my english
teacher, because word was she was the only one that "knew how to
handle me". My teacher made me read Moby Dick the rest of the day.
She introduced to me a love of reading that has stayed with me to
this day, and I WOULD NEVER smart mouth or be rude to my english
teacher because she was the only kind teacher I had. That love of
reading helped me pass my GED with flying colors (3rd best score that
year out of 516 students) and has also helped me to teach myself
various skills where I can work form home.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/unschoolingadd.html
that article reminded me of my old english teacher. Mirial isn't
bad,she just needs to be intorduced to somethign that she will love
as much as I did reading.
And she's NOT DUMB!!!
This is form the article:
The highly creative individual has the ability to take dissimilar
pieces of information and join them in completely new ways. Artists
of all kinds, musicians, writers, entrepreneurs, scientists,
mathematicians, engineers, troubleshooters, and inventors all depend
on creativity. Many parents of Hunter or Edison-trait children are
quite aware that there is a large overlap between what we call ADD
and creativity, even if their children have never taken a test for
creativity. It's that obvious.
Traits of Gifted/Creative Kids (From the National Foundation for the
Gifted and Creative)
* High sensitivity
* Excessive amounts of energy.
* Bores easily and may appear to have a short attention span.
* Requires emotionally stable and secure adults around him/her.
* Will resist authority if it not democratically oriented.
* Have preferred ways of learning; particularly in reading and
mathematics.
* May become easily frustrated because of his/her big ideas and not
having the resources or people to assist him/her in carrying these
tasks to fruition.
* Learns from an exploratory level and resists rote memory and just
being a listener.
* Cannot sit still unless absorbed in something of his/her own
interest.
* Very compassionate and has many fears such as death and loss of
loved ones.
* If they experience failure early, may give up and develop permanent
learning blocks.
Mirial fits all those to a T!!!
think I'm going to be spending the rest of this week, and most of
next week, not teachign the children, but teaching me. I need to
learn how to let them teach me how to teach them best!!!
It just hit me, Kind of like out of the blue. They can learn, they
will learn, but it needs to be THEM doing the learning and not me
forcing some stupid guidelines I got from the dept of education on
them. (no not require by law, just some I got form the website)
I'm the one that needs the brain adjustment, NOT THEM. Sorry, I know
I have read alot, but it just hit me. Nothing is wrong with my
babies AT ALL. What's wrong is teacher's and myself included, trying
to force something on them they aren't ready for, that they can learn
in thier own time with my guidance!!! That's kind of like forcing
liver on them, when they would rather have chicken.
Sorry, I wanted to share this wonderful article, and the light just
flickered on. I think I finally understand what unschooling is all
about. I was looking at it as fun teaching, when that's not all it's
about. it's about fun teaching that the CHILDREN choose what they
want to learn, based on what they want to do at that given time!!!
Me thinks I'll go tear down those phonics sheets now, I wasn't taught
using phonics so I don't undertsand them properly anyway. They
confused the snot out of me, and I was trying to usethe teacher
guidelines which didn't make any sense too me, because I was like OK
this is the rule to teach today, but golly that rule doesn't apply to
alot of the bigger words they will need later.
Maria
Kelli Traaseth
Maria, It sounds like you are on the right track. My son was the same way but I thought he had ADD. My doctor said no, he doesn't have ADD, he can focus on things. And when he does look out! And on the other hand if I suggest something I think he might like, NO WAY! It really has to be his idea or nothing. That is why unschooling worked for us. He fits your description in the last e-mail, he's amazing in math, computer but also can play an instrument like this(snap of finger).
I think all of us that are just starting this process really need to just relax, relax, relax, and relax! And not let anyone else change our thinking. They'll all be great kids. They'll have themselves figured out alot quicker than I did. I know it has taken me almost 35 years!
Take Care Maria!
Kelli T.
Maria wrote:Hey everyone, I wanted to share an article I just stumbled across.
It brought to mind something from my childhood.
I dropped out of highschool, because teachers thought I was a
troublemaker, when in fact I didn't want to cause trouble, I just
wanted someone to understand me. In 8th grade I had a teacher, that
wasn't strict but kind and understanding. When I got into a fight in
her classroom, she didn't send me to in house suspention. She made
me spend my lunch time watching romeo and juliet in her room. When I
told my algebra teacher to shut up, she sent me to my english
teacher, because word was she was the only one that "knew how to
handle me". My teacher made me read Moby Dick the rest of the day.
She introduced to me a love of reading that has stayed with me to
this day, and I WOULD NEVER smart mouth or be rude to my english
teacher because she was the only kind teacher I had. That love of
reading helped me pass my GED with flying colors (3rd best score that
year out of 516 students) and has also helped me to teach myself
various skills where I can work form home.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/unschoolingadd.html
that article reminded me of my old english teacher. Mirial isn't
bad,she just needs to be intorduced to somethign that she will love
as much as I did reading.
And she's NOT DUMB!!!
This is form the article:
The highly creative individual has the ability to take dissimilar
pieces of information and join them in completely new ways. Artists
of all kinds, musicians, writers, entrepreneurs, scientists,
mathematicians, engineers, troubleshooters, and inventors all depend
on creativity. Many parents of Hunter or Edison-trait children are
quite aware that there is a large overlap between what we call ADD
and creativity, even if their children have never taken a test for
creativity. It's that obvious.
Traits of Gifted/Creative Kids (From the National Foundation for the
Gifted and Creative)
* High sensitivity
* Excessive amounts of energy.
* Bores easily and may appear to have a short attention span.
* Requires emotionally stable and secure adults around him/her.
* Will resist authority if it not democratically oriented.
* Have preferred ways of learning; particularly in reading and
mathematics.
* May become easily frustrated because of his/her big ideas and not
having the resources or people to assist him/her in carrying these
tasks to fruition.
* Learns from an exploratory level and resists rote memory and just
being a listener.
* Cannot sit still unless absorbed in something of his/her own
interest.
* Very compassionate and has many fears such as death and loss of
loved ones.
* If they experience failure early, may give up and develop permanent
learning blocks.
Mirial fits all those to a T!!!
think I'm going to be spending the rest of this week, and most of
next week, not teachign the children, but teaching me. I need to
learn how to let them teach me how to teach them best!!!
It just hit me, Kind of like out of the blue. They can learn, they
will learn, but it needs to be THEM doing the learning and not me
forcing some stupid guidelines I got from the dept of education on
them. (no not require by law, just some I got form the website)
I'm the one that needs the brain adjustment, NOT THEM. Sorry, I know
I have read alot, but it just hit me. Nothing is wrong with my
babies AT ALL. What's wrong is teacher's and myself included, trying
to force something on them they aren't ready for, that they can learn
in thier own time with my guidance!!! That's kind of like forcing
liver on them, when they would rather have chicken.
Sorry, I wanted to share this wonderful article, and the light just
flickered on. I think I finally understand what unschooling is all
about. I was looking at it as fun teaching, when that's not all it's
about. it's about fun teaching that the CHILDREN choose what they
want to learn, based on what they want to do at that given time!!!
Me thinks I'll go tear down those phonics sheets now, I wasn't taught
using phonics so I don't undertsand them properly anyway. They
confused the snot out of me, and I was trying to usethe teacher
guidelines which didn't make any sense too me, because I was like OK
this is the rule to teach today, but golly that rule doesn't apply to
alot of the bigger words they will need later.
Maria
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I think all of us that are just starting this process really need to just relax, relax, relax, and relax! And not let anyone else change our thinking. They'll all be great kids. They'll have themselves figured out alot quicker than I did. I know it has taken me almost 35 years!
Take Care Maria!
Kelli T.
Maria wrote:Hey everyone, I wanted to share an article I just stumbled across.
It brought to mind something from my childhood.
I dropped out of highschool, because teachers thought I was a
troublemaker, when in fact I didn't want to cause trouble, I just
wanted someone to understand me. In 8th grade I had a teacher, that
wasn't strict but kind and understanding. When I got into a fight in
her classroom, she didn't send me to in house suspention. She made
me spend my lunch time watching romeo and juliet in her room. When I
told my algebra teacher to shut up, she sent me to my english
teacher, because word was she was the only one that "knew how to
handle me". My teacher made me read Moby Dick the rest of the day.
She introduced to me a love of reading that has stayed with me to
this day, and I WOULD NEVER smart mouth or be rude to my english
teacher because she was the only kind teacher I had. That love of
reading helped me pass my GED with flying colors (3rd best score that
year out of 516 students) and has also helped me to teach myself
various skills where I can work form home.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/unschoolingadd.html
that article reminded me of my old english teacher. Mirial isn't
bad,she just needs to be intorduced to somethign that she will love
as much as I did reading.
And she's NOT DUMB!!!
This is form the article:
The highly creative individual has the ability to take dissimilar
pieces of information and join them in completely new ways. Artists
of all kinds, musicians, writers, entrepreneurs, scientists,
mathematicians, engineers, troubleshooters, and inventors all depend
on creativity. Many parents of Hunter or Edison-trait children are
quite aware that there is a large overlap between what we call ADD
and creativity, even if their children have never taken a test for
creativity. It's that obvious.
Traits of Gifted/Creative Kids (From the National Foundation for the
Gifted and Creative)
* High sensitivity
* Excessive amounts of energy.
* Bores easily and may appear to have a short attention span.
* Requires emotionally stable and secure adults around him/her.
* Will resist authority if it not democratically oriented.
* Have preferred ways of learning; particularly in reading and
mathematics.
* May become easily frustrated because of his/her big ideas and not
having the resources or people to assist him/her in carrying these
tasks to fruition.
* Learns from an exploratory level and resists rote memory and just
being a listener.
* Cannot sit still unless absorbed in something of his/her own
interest.
* Very compassionate and has many fears such as death and loss of
loved ones.
* If they experience failure early, may give up and develop permanent
learning blocks.
Mirial fits all those to a T!!!
think I'm going to be spending the rest of this week, and most of
next week, not teachign the children, but teaching me. I need to
learn how to let them teach me how to teach them best!!!
It just hit me, Kind of like out of the blue. They can learn, they
will learn, but it needs to be THEM doing the learning and not me
forcing some stupid guidelines I got from the dept of education on
them. (no not require by law, just some I got form the website)
I'm the one that needs the brain adjustment, NOT THEM. Sorry, I know
I have read alot, but it just hit me. Nothing is wrong with my
babies AT ALL. What's wrong is teacher's and myself included, trying
to force something on them they aren't ready for, that they can learn
in thier own time with my guidance!!! That's kind of like forcing
liver on them, when they would rather have chicken.
Sorry, I wanted to share this wonderful article, and the light just
flickered on. I think I finally understand what unschooling is all
about. I was looking at it as fun teaching, when that's not all it's
about. it's about fun teaching that the CHILDREN choose what they
want to learn, based on what they want to do at that given time!!!
Me thinks I'll go tear down those phonics sheets now, I wasn't taught
using phonics so I don't undertsand them properly anyway. They
confused the snot out of me, and I was trying to usethe teacher
guidelines which didn't make any sense too me, because I was like OK
this is the rule to teach today, but golly that rule doesn't apply to
alot of the bigger words they will need later.
Maria
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In a message dated 9/12/02 12:56:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
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living life. It is about being in the here and now. Many start out thinking
that if they unschool their children that someday the kids will say something
like *Hey, I want to learn about algebra (or pick a school-like subject)
today* and that isn't what happens.
There are no subjects in unschooling. An average day at our house can look
like just about anything, but here are some things my kids do. Others here
can tell you about things their kids do, and they will all be different.
My son Jack spends hours on the Playstation2. That is how he learned to read
this year. He loves his gaming magazines and he would get tired of asking
someone to read it to him all the time. My dd, Moly spends hours watching
birds, she and I take early morning walks to the river so we can watch *our*
cranes. She loves Harry Potter too. She spends hours playing with her trading
cards. We play games, (tons of games) read books, the kids play on the
computer, both love to help me cook, (and I am getting over my *no one else
in the kitchen but me* <g>) both kids love to ride their bikes and we have
great walking/biking trails around here. Jack does have one *lesson* he goes
to Karate three mornings a week. Both are active in scouting. Moly's Junior
Girl Scouts will start their meetings next week and she is so excited to see
all her friends. Moly has some penpalls she likes to exchange letters with.
Our days are filled with things the kids want to do and play. I have my
hobbies and interests too. Unschooling for us is our lives, everyday.
~Nancy
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lyciall@... writes:
> Sorry, I wanted to share this wonderful article, and the light justWell, actually unschooling isn't about teaching at all. Unschooling is about
> flickered on. I think I finally understand what unschooling is all
> about. I was looking at it as fun teaching, when that's not all it's
> about. it's about fun teaching that the CHILDREN choose what they
> want to learn, based on what they want to do at that given time!!!
living life. It is about being in the here and now. Many start out thinking
that if they unschool their children that someday the kids will say something
like *Hey, I want to learn about algebra (or pick a school-like subject)
today* and that isn't what happens.
There are no subjects in unschooling. An average day at our house can look
like just about anything, but here are some things my kids do. Others here
can tell you about things their kids do, and they will all be different.
My son Jack spends hours on the Playstation2. That is how he learned to read
this year. He loves his gaming magazines and he would get tired of asking
someone to read it to him all the time. My dd, Moly spends hours watching
birds, she and I take early morning walks to the river so we can watch *our*
cranes. She loves Harry Potter too. She spends hours playing with her trading
cards. We play games, (tons of games) read books, the kids play on the
computer, both love to help me cook, (and I am getting over my *no one else
in the kitchen but me* <g>) both kids love to ride their bikes and we have
great walking/biking trails around here. Jack does have one *lesson* he goes
to Karate three mornings a week. Both are active in scouting. Moly's Junior
Girl Scouts will start their meetings next week and she is so excited to see
all her friends. Moly has some penpalls she likes to exchange letters with.
Our days are filled with things the kids want to do and play. I have my
hobbies and interests too. Unschooling for us is our lives, everyday.
~Nancy
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Maria
> Well, actually unschooling isn't about teaching at all. Unschoolingis about
> living life. It is about being in the here and now. Many start outthinking
> that if they unschool their children that someday the kids will saysomething
> like *Hey, I want to learn about algebra (or pick a school-likesubject)
> today* and that isn't what happens.OK, so I didn't get it huh...lol I'm trying to. So I need to
rethink my thinking, to where it's not teaching or any kind of
lessons, but fun educational activities?
I'm truly trying to understand, I want learning to be fun for them,
but do they learn the stuff they will be tested on when it's time for
the tests? They are supposed to take assessment tests in 3rd grade,
which means next year for Mariah, and I have to teach at least 4 1/2
hours of Math, Reading, Language Arts, Science and Social Studies per
day, and state guidelines have set things they are supposed to learn
for that year.
Like in science, one of the things they are to know by time the
finish second grade is
Topic: Space: Astronomy
Standard: Observes and discusses apparent motion of sun and moon.
Understands that the sun, moon and stars appear in the east and set
in the west. Plots the apparent movement of the sun and moon in the
sky using shadows or other devices.
And one for reading is
Topic: Reading
Standard: Recognizes and reads compound words, contractions,
possessives, and words containing the suffixes "ing," "ed," "s,"
and "es."
So how do I unschool, yet still follow the guidelines set by the
state? I don't want Mariah to take an assessment test next year and
them force me to put her back in public schools just because she
hasn't learned what they say she needs too.
Maria
Jennifer Green
The so-called laws of the state are lies. They want you to think this so you are still under their control. There is actually nothing they can do and there are no tests that need to be taken. Good news, huh? :-) aaahhhhh, the truth that freedom brings..................
Jen
www.heartlightdfw.com
Jen
www.heartlightdfw.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Maria
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: This is it!!!
> Well, actually unschooling isn't about teaching at all. Unschooling
is about
> living life. It is about being in the here and now. Many start out
thinking
> that if they unschool their children that someday the kids will say
something
> like *Hey, I want to learn about algebra (or pick a school-like
subject)
> today* and that isn't what happens.
OK, so I didn't get it huh...lol I'm trying to. So I need to
rethink my thinking, to where it's not teaching or any kind of
lessons, but fun educational activities?
I'm truly trying to understand, I want learning to be fun for them,
but do they learn the stuff they will be tested on when it's time for
the tests? They are supposed to take assessment tests in 3rd grade,
which means next year for Mariah, and I have to teach at least 4 1/2
hours of Math, Reading, Language Arts, Science and Social Studies per
day, and state guidelines have set things they are supposed to learn
for that year.
Like in science, one of the things they are to know by time the
finish second grade is
Topic: Space: Astronomy
Standard: Observes and discusses apparent motion of sun and moon.
Understands that the sun, moon and stars appear in the east and set
in the west. Plots the apparent movement of the sun and moon in the
sky using shadows or other devices.
And one for reading is
Topic: Reading
Standard: Recognizes and reads compound words, contractions,
possessives, and words containing the suffixes "ing," "ed," "s,"
and "es."
So how do I unschool, yet still follow the guidelines set by the
state? I don't want Mariah to take an assessment test next year and
them force me to put her back in public schools just because she
hasn't learned what they say she needs too.
Maria
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Maria
OK the GA code says I have to have an assessment report each year.
So what I did was went to the dept of eds site, and typed up all the
things they are supposed to know and made a lil booklet for
kindergarten, first and secnod grades (I did kindergarten too because
they don't know some of those skills either).
The way i set it up, was each skill will have a date on it when they
learned it. If they already know it, then I put the date I checked
to see if they knew it.
Those are my assessment reports.
As for the test, I have to get them tested at the end of 3rd grade.
There's no way around it, it's a required GA Code. I would be
breaking the law if i didn't.
I even had a social worker that came to my home to look at
my "Curricullum" a few weeks back. She flat out told me I was not
qualified to teach my children. I told her that the Board of
education says all I need is a GED and that GA law says I am and that
I graduated in the 300 club when I took my GED and was 3rd highest
score for that year out of over 500 people who took the test.
She then said that she would feel better if I would put Mirial in
crossroads (the "Special" school, where most of the children there
can't even talk) and I told her I feel better about making sure my
daughter realizes that she's not dumb, or stupid as she herself
thought she was, and that she didn't know my daughter, had never met
my daughter, so how could she tell me what's best for her.
She then tells me that I'm not trained to teach properly and that I
needed to either put them back in public school, or at least put
Mirial in Crossroads. That's when I blew up and told her "Lady you
KNOW NOTHING about my family." My husband went to college to be a
teacher, He almost finished, he did all his courses and only needs
his internship to graduate. He's more qualified to teach than the
teacher's in the system are, and he helps with the lessons as well.
She then asked why he dropped out of college, as if it were a bad
thing, and I told her it was because his dad was put in hospice, and
later died, and that family was more important to him at the time
than college.
She then said, Oh that's a shame, well that's all I need to know, and
then she left. She didn't say again I had to put Mirial in
Crossroads, but I'm living in a town where homeschooling IS NOT
acceptable. My own family don't even support me. My husband didn't
support me when I pulled them out of school, but He does now because
he sees they are doing much better, and are much happier, with me
teachign them.
I brought up the unschooling issue with him earlier, this time he
didn't argue, he said he trusted my judgement, and that as long as
the children continued to improve he woul dback me all the way.
I am just SO SICK and tired of my Mariah crying because she can't get
her lessons done right (And right now she's on first grade lessons)
and my Mirial getting frustrated because she has to sit to learn.
I am DESPERATE here to do what's right with my children, and
unschooling is the ONLY answer I can find, but the laws here will
make it so difficult. I even called another school in another
county, because I have heard that the teachers are terrific with ADHD
children, but they didn't have room for my girls.
And I told my husband this morning, that I was going to search for
another alternative, tutor or whatever it takes, before I would put
my baby in that school. Unschooling is the only alternative I see
that I have, I just don't see how I can still adhere to the
legalities of everything with unschooling.
I am currently readin the www.unschooling.com posts, and am
understanding what unschooling is all about alot better, and seeing
so many success stories has put my mind at ease, but I can't take the
chance of them failing those tests, and being forced back into public
schools, or worse yet, Mirial being forced to go to that Crossroads.
My Mariah, she was so withdrawn due to public schools. Kids picking
on her, and teachers sayign she wasn't smart in front of her.
And Mirial, worse, she had to go through a ton of evaluations I was
led to believe were in her best interest.
I have just now gotten my girls back, where they are happy go lucky
and free again.
The way I saw it then, and the way I see it now, is that our school
was turnign my children into ZOMBIES.
Now as for my oldest, she's never had that problem. teachers adore
her, and she pretty much gets to do whatever she wants anyway, and
she loves school.
Anyways, this post is turnign into a book, I'm goingback to
unschooling.com and see if I can find some more info about GA rules.
I see there are some people from GA that post there, so I want to
know how they are doing it legally.
I have decided that unschooling is just what we need.
Maria
-- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Jennifer Green" <heartlightdfw@k...>
wrote:
they can do and there are no tests that need to be taken. Good news,
huh? :-) aaahhhhh, the truth that freedom brings..................
So what I did was went to the dept of eds site, and typed up all the
things they are supposed to know and made a lil booklet for
kindergarten, first and secnod grades (I did kindergarten too because
they don't know some of those skills either).
The way i set it up, was each skill will have a date on it when they
learned it. If they already know it, then I put the date I checked
to see if they knew it.
Those are my assessment reports.
As for the test, I have to get them tested at the end of 3rd grade.
There's no way around it, it's a required GA Code. I would be
breaking the law if i didn't.
I even had a social worker that came to my home to look at
my "Curricullum" a few weeks back. She flat out told me I was not
qualified to teach my children. I told her that the Board of
education says all I need is a GED and that GA law says I am and that
I graduated in the 300 club when I took my GED and was 3rd highest
score for that year out of over 500 people who took the test.
She then said that she would feel better if I would put Mirial in
crossroads (the "Special" school, where most of the children there
can't even talk) and I told her I feel better about making sure my
daughter realizes that she's not dumb, or stupid as she herself
thought she was, and that she didn't know my daughter, had never met
my daughter, so how could she tell me what's best for her.
She then tells me that I'm not trained to teach properly and that I
needed to either put them back in public school, or at least put
Mirial in Crossroads. That's when I blew up and told her "Lady you
KNOW NOTHING about my family." My husband went to college to be a
teacher, He almost finished, he did all his courses and only needs
his internship to graduate. He's more qualified to teach than the
teacher's in the system are, and he helps with the lessons as well.
She then asked why he dropped out of college, as if it were a bad
thing, and I told her it was because his dad was put in hospice, and
later died, and that family was more important to him at the time
than college.
She then said, Oh that's a shame, well that's all I need to know, and
then she left. She didn't say again I had to put Mirial in
Crossroads, but I'm living in a town where homeschooling IS NOT
acceptable. My own family don't even support me. My husband didn't
support me when I pulled them out of school, but He does now because
he sees they are doing much better, and are much happier, with me
teachign them.
I brought up the unschooling issue with him earlier, this time he
didn't argue, he said he trusted my judgement, and that as long as
the children continued to improve he woul dback me all the way.
I am just SO SICK and tired of my Mariah crying because she can't get
her lessons done right (And right now she's on first grade lessons)
and my Mirial getting frustrated because she has to sit to learn.
I am DESPERATE here to do what's right with my children, and
unschooling is the ONLY answer I can find, but the laws here will
make it so difficult. I even called another school in another
county, because I have heard that the teachers are terrific with ADHD
children, but they didn't have room for my girls.
And I told my husband this morning, that I was going to search for
another alternative, tutor or whatever it takes, before I would put
my baby in that school. Unschooling is the only alternative I see
that I have, I just don't see how I can still adhere to the
legalities of everything with unschooling.
I am currently readin the www.unschooling.com posts, and am
understanding what unschooling is all about alot better, and seeing
so many success stories has put my mind at ease, but I can't take the
chance of them failing those tests, and being forced back into public
schools, or worse yet, Mirial being forced to go to that Crossroads.
My Mariah, she was so withdrawn due to public schools. Kids picking
on her, and teachers sayign she wasn't smart in front of her.
And Mirial, worse, she had to go through a ton of evaluations I was
led to believe were in her best interest.
I have just now gotten my girls back, where they are happy go lucky
and free again.
The way I saw it then, and the way I see it now, is that our school
was turnign my children into ZOMBIES.
Now as for my oldest, she's never had that problem. teachers adore
her, and she pretty much gets to do whatever she wants anyway, and
she loves school.
Anyways, this post is turnign into a book, I'm goingback to
unschooling.com and see if I can find some more info about GA rules.
I see there are some people from GA that post there, so I want to
know how they are doing it legally.
I have decided that unschooling is just what we need.
Maria
-- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Jennifer Green" <heartlightdfw@k...>
wrote:
> The so-called laws of the state are lies. They want you to thinkthis so you are still under their control. There is actually nothing
they can do and there are no tests that need to be taken. Good news,
huh? :-) aaahhhhh, the truth that freedom brings..................
>
> Jen
> www.heartlightdfw.com
>
>
>
[email protected]
Maria, what state are you in?
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
MO Milligans
At 05:10 PM 9/12/02 +0000, you wrote:
Congratulations, Maria! I just love it when the light comes on. I think
they're affectionately called, "AH-HA moments". <smile> Good for you AND
your kids :-)
Todd
Our HOME page
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
>Sorry, I wanted to share this wonderful article, and the light just==
>flickered on. I think I finally understand what unschooling is all
>about. I was looking at it as fun teaching, when that's not all it's
>about. it's about fun teaching that the CHILDREN choose what they
>want to learn, based on what they want to do at that given time!!!
Congratulations, Maria! I just love it when the light comes on. I think
they're affectionately called, "AH-HA moments". <smile> Good for you AND
your kids :-)
Todd
Our HOME page
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
[email protected]
Maria,
wow, babe, sloooooowww ddoooowwwwwnnn!
My eldest son in a resident of Ga and was homeschooled there for a few
years. He's back in PS but his younger sibs are all homeschooled.
I strongly suggest you get in touch with an inclusive (!)homeschool group so
you can get more info on the real laws of the state rather than the ideas
you curently have. I'm guessing you asked the school system about the HS
requirements of the state?
An attendance sheet needs to be sent in each quarter and in certain grade
(3, 7, 9?) they are to be tested and the results sent to you where you can
keep them locked in a drawer and never show them to anyone.
Please check again with those laws so you can stop panicking!
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
wow, babe, sloooooowww ddoooowwwwwnnn!
My eldest son in a resident of Ga and was homeschooled there for a few
years. He's back in PS but his younger sibs are all homeschooled.
I strongly suggest you get in touch with an inclusive (!)homeschool group so
you can get more info on the real laws of the state rather than the ideas
you curently have. I'm guessing you asked the school system about the HS
requirements of the state?
An attendance sheet needs to be sent in each quarter and in certain grade
(3, 7, 9?) they are to be tested and the results sent to you where you can
keep them locked in a drawer and never show them to anyone.
Please check again with those laws so you can stop panicking!
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
Betsy
**
She then said that she would feel better if I would put Mirial in
crossroads (the "Special" school, where most of the children there
can't even talk) and I told her I feel better about making sure my
daughter realizes that she's not dumb, or stupid as she herself
thought she was, and that she didn't know my daughter, had never met
my daughter, so how could she tell me what's best for her.**
Oh, man -- I do NOT think she has your daughter's best interest at
heart. She can flap her gums at you all she wants, but you don't have
to take her advice. I'm glad she didn't intimidate you.
**And I told my husband this morning, that I was going to search for
another alternative, tutor or whatever it takes, before I would put
my baby in that school. Unschooling is the only alternative I see
that I have, I just don't see how I can still adhere to the
legalities of everything with unschooling.**
OK, I understand that you have to do a 3rd Grade test in GA, but is
there any penalty for scoring badly? In some states, like WA, test
scores are only sent to the parents, the government doesn't interefere
at all.
Going to the NHEN website at http://www.nhen.org is one way to track
down information about your state laws.
Some homeschooling parents, in states that have testing laws with "bite"
hold their kids back a year. I know it isn't the most attractive
sounding idea, but you could register your daughter as a second grader
for two years in a row without making a big deal about it to her. Then
she would have extra time to get ready for the "third grade" testing.
(Some parents would do "second grade" twice and then skip the kid into
"fourth grade", but that's kind of an aggressive strategy, and I know
you might not be comfortable with it.)
Betsy
She then said that she would feel better if I would put Mirial in
crossroads (the "Special" school, where most of the children there
can't even talk) and I told her I feel better about making sure my
daughter realizes that she's not dumb, or stupid as she herself
thought she was, and that she didn't know my daughter, had never met
my daughter, so how could she tell me what's best for her.**
Oh, man -- I do NOT think she has your daughter's best interest at
heart. She can flap her gums at you all she wants, but you don't have
to take her advice. I'm glad she didn't intimidate you.
**And I told my husband this morning, that I was going to search for
another alternative, tutor or whatever it takes, before I would put
my baby in that school. Unschooling is the only alternative I see
that I have, I just don't see how I can still adhere to the
legalities of everything with unschooling.**
OK, I understand that you have to do a 3rd Grade test in GA, but is
there any penalty for scoring badly? In some states, like WA, test
scores are only sent to the parents, the government doesn't interefere
at all.
Going to the NHEN website at http://www.nhen.org is one way to track
down information about your state laws.
Some homeschooling parents, in states that have testing laws with "bite"
hold their kids back a year. I know it isn't the most attractive
sounding idea, but you could register your daughter as a second grader
for two years in a row without making a big deal about it to her. Then
she would have extra time to get ready for the "third grade" testing.
(Some parents would do "second grade" twice and then skip the kid into
"fourth grade", but that's kind of an aggressive strategy, and I know
you might not be comfortable with it.)
Betsy
Maria
Hi, I'm in Georgia.
I've got 2 windows open, reading here and at unschooling.com while
the family is at the park, to give me some study time so i can learn
all I can about this unschooling in quite.
I have to go over this stuff with my husband after we put the
children to bed, because he wants to know what I'm into. He said
something about free form teaching, before he left, and he said if
unschooling is anything like that he's very happy I'm looking into
it, because he always wanted to teach the children that way but was
afraid I'd say no.
So he wants to read things and see what it's all about. He was kind
of stunned when I said "No lessons tomorrow, we're going to dosset
trails." and the children are VERY excited about that. It's like a
mini wildlife preserve.
OK I'll shut up, no long post this time...lol I'll just keep reading
and trying to understand how pokeman can help a chid read...lol
Maria
I've got 2 windows open, reading here and at unschooling.com while
the family is at the park, to give me some study time so i can learn
all I can about this unschooling in quite.
I have to go over this stuff with my husband after we put the
children to bed, because he wants to know what I'm into. He said
something about free form teaching, before he left, and he said if
unschooling is anything like that he's very happy I'm looking into
it, because he always wanted to teach the children that way but was
afraid I'd say no.
So he wants to read things and see what it's all about. He was kind
of stunned when I said "No lessons tomorrow, we're going to dosset
trails." and the children are VERY excited about that. It's like a
mini wildlife preserve.
OK I'll shut up, no long post this time...lol I'll just keep reading
and trying to understand how pokeman can help a chid read...lol
Maria
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
> Maria, what state are you in?
> ~Elissa Cleaveland
> An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
> Happy in this, she is not so old
> But she may learn.
> W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
Maria
> OK, I understand that you have to do a 3rd Grade test in GA, but isI don't think so, it's not mentioned in the codes.
> there any penalty for scoring badly?
In some states, like WA, test
> scores are only sent to the parents, the government doesn'tinterefere
> at all.I'll check into that as well.
>Thanks for the link, heading there right now.
> Going to the NHEN website at http://www.nhen.org is one way to track
> down information about your state laws.
> Some homeschooling parents, in states that have testing lawswith "bite"
> hold their kids back a year. I know it isn't the most attractivegrader
> sounding idea, but you could register your daughter as a second
> for two years in a row without making a big deal about it to her.Then
> she would have extra time to get ready for the "third grade"testing.
Thank you, that's an alternative I can live with.
> (Some parents would do "second grade" twice and then skip the kidinto
> "fourth grade", but that's kind of an aggressive strategy, and Iknow
> you might not be comfortable with it.)That sounds even better..lol 'll do searchs on those after leave
the other site, and see what I find out.
Thank you so much!!
Maria
Maria
> wow, babe, sloooooowww ddoooowwwwwnnn!lol..sorry about that, I'm just trying to absorb alot, and those are
the questions that came to mind.
And yes, those are the things I was told when I filed my intent to
homeschool. I already turn in my attendance reports monthly, no
problems with that at all. It's just those tests I'm trying to
figure out how to work into unschooling.
> I strongly suggest you get in touch with an inclusive (!)homeschoolgroup so
> you can get more info on the real laws of the state rather than theideas
> you curently have.I've looked for homeschooling support groups, mainly so I could have
children for them to play with. I can't find anyone that homeschools
here, much less a group. So Iinstead enrolled them in soccar so they
can still be around children their on age.
I'm guessing you asked the school system about the HS
> requirements of the state?.Yes
> (3, 7, 9?) they are to be tested and the results sent to you whereyou can
> keep them locked in a drawer and never show them to anyone.Oh really? I didn't know that either.
> Please check again with those laws so you can stop panicking!I'm looking into the laws now, but I'll quit panicking...lol Sorry
if it came off that way but I'm so tired. It's been a long battle
for Mirial, from refusing ritalin, to having a counselor visit our
home 3 times a week, and daycare 2 times a week (this is before
Mirial was in school), to the neighbors calling social workers on me
because they see my children at home all the time, to the teachers
calling social workers on me because I refused to give permission for
Mariah to be evaluated (I have my own child psychologist to eavluate
if needed)to my family telling me I'm harming the kids by taking them
out of school. When Iknow deep down in my gut, I am doing the right
thing for them both.
And I know it would be easier if I only had Mariah to teach, I have
even had friends tell me to put mirial in crossroads so I could focus
on the "Smart" child when i teach. I refuse to do that. That's like
admitting defeat and giving up on my baby. I just can't do that.
OK back to my studies on Georgia legal issues.
Thank You so much, you ladies areall the greates bunchof people to
have patience with all my questions and concerns.
Maria
Myranda
Sorry to just jump in, I'll introduce myself in a bit, I promise! Maria, I'm in SC and am dealing with parts of the same situations you are. My oldest boy is 7, (I suppose 2nd grade but we try not to keep up with grades) and everyone is wanting me to go get him evaluated - we're pretty sure he has ODD and possibly ADHD. We moved here almost two years ago and went through the panic mode about laws and how we could possibly unschool with them, believe me, there is always a way!!! One thing that may help you to find others in GA is go to yahoogroups and do a search on unschooling..... there are almost 300 mailing lists, and I know at least one of them is for GA people only. You can get some good help there about getting around the laws. Good luck!!!
Myranda
the questions that came to mind.
And yes, those are the things I was told when I filed my intent to
homeschool. I already turn in my attendance reports monthly, no
problems with that at all. It's just those tests I'm trying to
figure out how to work into unschooling.
children for them to play with. I can't find anyone that homeschools
here, much less a group. So Iinstead enrolled them in soccar so they
can still be around children their on age.
I'm guessing you asked the school system about the HS
if it came off that way but I'm so tired. It's been a long battle
for Mirial, from refusing ritalin, to having a counselor visit our
home 3 times a week, and daycare 2 times a week (this is before
Mirial was in school), to the neighbors calling social workers on me
because they see my children at home all the time, to the teachers
calling social workers on me because I refused to give permission for
Mariah to be evaluated (I have my own child psychologist to eavluate
if needed)to my family telling me I'm harming the kids by taking them
out of school. When Iknow deep down in my gut, I am doing the right
thing for them both.
And I know it would be easier if I only had Mariah to teach, I have
even had friends tell me to put mirial in crossroads so I could focus
on the "Smart" child when i teach. I refuse to do that. That's like
admitting defeat and giving up on my baby. I just can't do that.
OK back to my studies on Georgia legal issues.
Thank You so much, you ladies areall the greates bunchof people to
have patience with all my questions and concerns.
Maria
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Myranda
> wow, babe, sloooooowww ddoooowwwwwnnn!lol..sorry about that, I'm just trying to absorb alot, and those are
the questions that came to mind.
And yes, those are the things I was told when I filed my intent to
homeschool. I already turn in my attendance reports monthly, no
problems with that at all. It's just those tests I'm trying to
figure out how to work into unschooling.
> I strongly suggest you get in touch with an inclusive (!)homeschoolgroup so
> you can get more info on the real laws of the state rather than theideas
> you curently have.I've looked for homeschooling support groups, mainly so I could have
children for them to play with. I can't find anyone that homeschools
here, much less a group. So Iinstead enrolled them in soccar so they
can still be around children their on age.
I'm guessing you asked the school system about the HS
> requirements of the state?.Yes
> (3, 7, 9?) they are to be tested and the results sent to you whereyou can
> keep them locked in a drawer and never show them to anyone.Oh really? I didn't know that either.
> Please check again with those laws so you can stop panicking!I'm looking into the laws now, but I'll quit panicking...lol Sorry
if it came off that way but I'm so tired. It's been a long battle
for Mirial, from refusing ritalin, to having a counselor visit our
home 3 times a week, and daycare 2 times a week (this is before
Mirial was in school), to the neighbors calling social workers on me
because they see my children at home all the time, to the teachers
calling social workers on me because I refused to give permission for
Mariah to be evaluated (I have my own child psychologist to eavluate
if needed)to my family telling me I'm harming the kids by taking them
out of school. When Iknow deep down in my gut, I am doing the right
thing for them both.
And I know it would be easier if I only had Mariah to teach, I have
even had friends tell me to put mirial in crossroads so I could focus
on the "Smart" child when i teach. I refuse to do that. That's like
admitting defeat and giving up on my baby. I just can't do that.
OK back to my studies on Georgia legal issues.
Thank You so much, you ladies areall the greates bunchof people to
have patience with all my questions and concerns.
Maria
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MO Milligans
At 04:09 PM 9/12/02 -0500, you wrote:
Although we're in a state that leaves us alone (MO), I've heard from people
on other homeschooling lists say, "I *can't* unschool because of all the
laws in my state". Question though, some states require yearly meetings
with the superintendents (or other official) of the school district, to
"evaluate" that years learning. How would someone get around that?
Todd
Our HOME page
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
>The so-called laws of the state are lies. They want you to think this so==
>you are still under their control. There is actually nothing they can do
>and there are no tests that need to be taken. Good news,
>huh? :-) aaahhhhh, the truth that freedom brings..................
>
>Jen
Although we're in a state that leaves us alone (MO), I've heard from people
on other homeschooling lists say, "I *can't* unschool because of all the
laws in my state". Question though, some states require yearly meetings
with the superintendents (or other official) of the school district, to
"evaluate" that years learning. How would someone get around that?
Todd
Our HOME page
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
Myranda
My state requires these yearly meetings with the school district superintendent if you homeschool through the first option under the law. We did this last year because it was the only free option. I took in a typed list of all books looked at/read, a list of all "educational" movies/tv shows watched, a list of "educational" computer games played, a list titled "unit studies" of everything we'd talked about/seen, a list titled "field trips" to places we'd been, a book of mazes and word search puzzles they had completed, some small projects they had completed, and some pictures of them working on other projects. The man was VERY impressed, and said that PS students didn't cover even half that in two years! He signed off on their yearly reports and even gave them some wonderful comments.
Myranda
Although we're in a state that leaves us alone (MO), I've heard from people
on other homeschooling lists say, "I *can't* unschool because of all the
laws in my state". Question though, some states require yearly meetings
with the superintendents (or other official) of the school district, to
"evaluate" that years learning. How would someone get around that?
Todd
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http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
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Myranda
Although we're in a state that leaves us alone (MO), I've heard from people
on other homeschooling lists say, "I *can't* unschool because of all the
laws in my state". Question though, some states require yearly meetings
with the superintendents (or other official) of the school district, to
"evaluate" that years learning. How would someone get around that?
Todd
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Jeff & Kate Kerr
***As for the test, I have to get them tested at the end of 3rd grade.
There's no way around it, it's a required GA Code. I would be
breaking the law if i didn't.
Maria***
Just out of curiosity, what happens if your kids fail the test? What
happens if kids in public school fail the test? And why can't, when
she's ready for 3rd grade, why can't you hold her back a year and then
promote her to 4th grade the following year? Skipping 3rd grade
altogether?
Just wondering out loud.
BTW - welcome to the list and the life.
Kate
There's no way around it, it's a required GA Code. I would be
breaking the law if i didn't.
Maria***
Just out of curiosity, what happens if your kids fail the test? What
happens if kids in public school fail the test? And why can't, when
she's ready for 3rd grade, why can't you hold her back a year and then
promote her to 4th grade the following year? Skipping 3rd grade
altogether?
Just wondering out loud.
BTW - welcome to the list and the life.
Kate
Jennifer Green
I am personally in a state that is the most relaxed (TX). I don't know exactly how to handle certain situations in other states, but I do know that even in Texas I have been lied to constantly about what I can and can't do in regards to homeschooling and unschooling. I know whatever anyone does, they need to look at the actual laws and see what they say for the state they live in. I can guarantee that it will not be what they have been led to believe.
Jen
www.heartlightdfw.com
Jen
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From: MO Milligans
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:53 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] so-called laws of the state
At 04:09 PM 9/12/02 -0500, you wrote:
>The so-called laws of the state are lies. They want you to think this so
>you are still under their control. There is actually nothing they can do
>and there are no tests that need to be taken. Good news,
>huh? :-) aaahhhhh, the truth that freedom brings..................
>
>Jen
==
Although we're in a state that leaves us alone (MO), I've heard from people
on other homeschooling lists say, "I *can't* unschool because of all the
laws in my state". Question though, some states require yearly meetings
with the superintendents (or other official) of the school district, to
"evaluate" that years learning. How would someone get around that?
Todd
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I was wondering if anyone has run into this in state laws, where it says,'it recommends testing yearly' well I know what I do with recommended! It is out the door!! Maybe you can e-mail your state homeschooling network. Don't go by what the schools tell you, they will tell you the strictest interpretation. I found this out from other homeschoolers in our state.
Even if you don't have homeschoolers in your town, I would think that there are some in the bigger cities that would help you. Our state has Minnesota Homeschoolers Alliance. Maybe they have one in Georgia?
I know I was also very concerned about laws at first but the more I talked with other people I really felt better.
It sounds like you are doing a great thing for your children and IMO that is what's important! Don't let other people influence your decision, think with your heart and you'll do what's best for your daughters.
Good luck,
Kelli T
Maria wrote:
the questions that came to mind.
And yes, those are the things I was told when I filed my intent to
homeschool. I already turn in my attendance reports monthly, no
problems with that at all. It's just those tests I'm trying to
figure out how to work into unschooling.
children for them to play with. I can't find anyone that homeschools
here, much less a group. So Iinstead enrolled them in soccar so they
can still be around children their on age.
I'm guessing you asked the school system about the HS
if it came off that way but I'm so tired. It's been a long battle
for Mirial, from refusing ritalin, to having a counselor visit our
home 3 times a week, and daycare 2 times a week (this is before
Mirial was in school), to the neighbors calling social workers on me
because they see my children at home all the time, to the teachers
calling social workers on me because I refused to give permission for
Mariah to be evaluated (I have my own child psychologist to eavluate
if needed)to my family telling me I'm harming the kids by taking them
out of school. When Iknow deep down in my gut, I am doing the right
thing for them both.
And I know it would be easier if I only had Mariah to teach, I have
even had friends tell me to put mirial in crossroads so I could focus
on the "Smart" child when i teach. I refuse to do that. That's like
admitting defeat and giving up on my baby. I just can't do that.
OK back to my studies on Georgia legal issues.
Thank You so much, you ladies areall the greates bunchof people to
have patience with all my questions and concerns.
Maria
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Even if you don't have homeschoolers in your town, I would think that there are some in the bigger cities that would help you. Our state has Minnesota Homeschoolers Alliance. Maybe they have one in Georgia?
I know I was also very concerned about laws at first but the more I talked with other people I really felt better.
It sounds like you are doing a great thing for your children and IMO that is what's important! Don't let other people influence your decision, think with your heart and you'll do what's best for your daughters.
Good luck,
Kelli T
Maria wrote:
> wow, babe, sloooooowww ddoooowwwwwnnn!lol..sorry about that, I'm just trying to absorb alot, and those are
the questions that came to mind.
And yes, those are the things I was told when I filed my intent to
homeschool. I already turn in my attendance reports monthly, no
problems with that at all. It's just those tests I'm trying to
figure out how to work into unschooling.
> I strongly suggest you get in touch with an inclusive (!)homeschoolgroup so
> you can get more info on the real laws of the state rather than theideas
> you curently have.I've looked for homeschooling support groups, mainly so I could have
children for them to play with. I can't find anyone that homeschools
here, much less a group. So Iinstead enrolled them in soccar so they
can still be around children their on age.
I'm guessing you asked the school system about the HS
> requirements of the state?.Yes
> (3, 7, 9?) they are to be tested and the results sent to you whereyou can
> keep them locked in a drawer and never show them to anyone.Oh really? I didn't know that either.
> Please check again with those laws so you can stop panicking!I'm looking into the laws now, but I'll quit panicking...lol Sorry
if it came off that way but I'm so tired. It's been a long battle
for Mirial, from refusing ritalin, to having a counselor visit our
home 3 times a week, and daycare 2 times a week (this is before
Mirial was in school), to the neighbors calling social workers on me
because they see my children at home all the time, to the teachers
calling social workers on me because I refused to give permission for
Mariah to be evaluated (I have my own child psychologist to eavluate
if needed)to my family telling me I'm harming the kids by taking them
out of school. When Iknow deep down in my gut, I am doing the right
thing for them both.
And I know it would be easier if I only had Mariah to teach, I have
even had friends tell me to put mirial in crossroads so I could focus
on the "Smart" child when i teach. I refuse to do that. That's like
admitting defeat and giving up on my baby. I just can't do that.
OK back to my studies on Georgia legal issues.
Thank You so much, you ladies areall the greates bunchof people to
have patience with all my questions and concerns.
Maria
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In a message dated 9/12/02 4:31:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
heartlightdfw@... writes:
things that they *think* the law says. The best thing to do is read your
specific state law yourself and contact a state support group if you have
questions. I don't know what state Maria lives in. So that would be the first
step. As for testing, I wouldn't worry about it. How many school kids fail
those tests? What does the school do to those kids? Nothing. What can they do
to your kids? Depends on the state. But I think most, if your child doesn't
do well, they retake it the next year or something like that. So it all boils
down to what state, or country you live in.
~Nancy
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heartlightdfw@... writes:
> The so-called laws of the state are lies. They want you to think this soWell, no, not always. The laws may be confusing, and people may tell you
> you are still under their control. There is actually nothing they can do
> and there are no tests that need to be taken. Good news, huh? :-)
> aaahhhhh, the truth that freedom brings..................
>
> Jen
> www.heartlightdfw.com
things that they *think* the law says. The best thing to do is read your
specific state law yourself and contact a state support group if you have
questions. I don't know what state Maria lives in. So that would be the first
step. As for testing, I wouldn't worry about it. How many school kids fail
those tests? What does the school do to those kids? Nothing. What can they do
to your kids? Depends on the state. But I think most, if your child doesn't
do well, they retake it the next year or something like that. So it all boils
down to what state, or country you live in.
~Nancy
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Valerie
Just to show how overly used the ADD label is... my parents decided I
was ADD last year because I was dating a man that lived in Canada and
I'm in Louisiana. They felt I should go back to college and become a
school teacher (no comment), marry a "nice" Christian man (I'm not
Christian) and marry a man in Louisiana. Wait until they find out I'm
seriously dating a Pakistani... lol... No kidding... Does anyone else
fail to see the ADD connection besides me?
love, Valerie
was ADD last year because I was dating a man that lived in Canada and
I'm in Louisiana. They felt I should go back to college and become a
school teacher (no comment), marry a "nice" Christian man (I'm not
Christian) and marry a man in Louisiana. Wait until they find out I'm
seriously dating a Pakistani... lol... No kidding... Does anyone else
fail to see the ADD connection besides me?
love, Valerie
Beth Ali
Maria,
Hi. My name is Beth and I also live in GA. I belong to an inclusive homeschooling group in the Marietta area called Lifelong Learners of GA (LLG), as does at least one other member of this list (hi Cherry!). Anyway, although we are the only unschoolers I know the homeschool laws are the same....file your intent, montly attendance forms, and every other year testing which you are by NO means required to submit to the Govt!! That's it...oh, supposedly you are to "school" 4.5 hours a day 180 days a year (I believe that many days). As unschoolers we are doing "school" (read learning) alll day long!! So don't sweat GA laws. They are actually pretty relaxed compared to many states-especially the Northeastern ones!
Beth-unschooling a soon to be 4 yr old and 16 month old!
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Hi. My name is Beth and I also live in GA. I belong to an inclusive homeschooling group in the Marietta area called Lifelong Learners of GA (LLG), as does at least one other member of this list (hi Cherry!). Anyway, although we are the only unschoolers I know the homeschool laws are the same....file your intent, montly attendance forms, and every other year testing which you are by NO means required to submit to the Govt!! That's it...oh, supposedly you are to "school" 4.5 hours a day 180 days a year (I believe that many days). As unschoolers we are doing "school" (read learning) alll day long!! So don't sweat GA laws. They are actually pretty relaxed compared to many states-especially the Northeastern ones!
Beth-unschooling a soon to be 4 yr old and 16 month old!
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Maria
> Just out of curiosity, what happens if your kids fail the test?I don't know.
What
> happens if kids in public school fail the test?They fail a grade?
And why can't, when
> she's ready for 3rd grade, why can't you hold her back a year andthen
> promote her to 4th grade the following year? Skipping 3rd gradeThat's an alternative, if I can legally do this.
> altogether?
>Thank you :)
> BTW - welcome to the list and the life.
Maria
Maria
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Beth Ali" <blali@b...> wrote:
GA (LLG), as does at least one other member of this list (hi
Cherry!).
WONDERFUL!!!! Marietta is not far from me, can I join your group???
Anyway, although we are the only unschoolers I know the homeschool
laws are the same....file your intent, montly attendance forms, and
every other year testing which you are by NO means required to submit
to the Govt!!
Thank you!!! Who does your tests? Or can we just purchase a
standardized test and give it ourself?
That's it...oh, supposedly you are to "school" 4.5 hours a day 180
days a year (I believe that many days). As unschoolers we are
doing "school" (read learning) alll day long!! So don't sweat GA
laws. They are actually pretty relaxed compared to many states-
especially the Northeastern ones!
Thank you for helping put my mind at ease, I think I just met a few
people who just doesn't "Get" it, becasue it seems what I was led to
believe isn't as strict as all that.
Maria letting out a sigh of relief now, I'm still researching, but
the official deschooling starts today.
Maria
> Maria,homeschooling group in the Marietta area called Lifelong Learners of
> Hi. My name is Beth and I also live in GA. I belong to an inclusive
GA (LLG), as does at least one other member of this list (hi
Cherry!).
WONDERFUL!!!! Marietta is not far from me, can I join your group???
Anyway, although we are the only unschoolers I know the homeschool
laws are the same....file your intent, montly attendance forms, and
every other year testing which you are by NO means required to submit
to the Govt!!
Thank you!!! Who does your tests? Or can we just purchase a
standardized test and give it ourself?
That's it...oh, supposedly you are to "school" 4.5 hours a day 180
days a year (I believe that many days). As unschoolers we are
doing "school" (read learning) alll day long!! So don't sweat GA
laws. They are actually pretty relaxed compared to many states-
especially the Northeastern ones!
Thank you for helping put my mind at ease, I think I just met a few
people who just doesn't "Get" it, becasue it seems what I was led to
believe isn't as strict as all that.
Maria letting out a sigh of relief now, I'm still researching, but
the official deschooling starts today.
Maria
joanna514
Many start out thinking
Algebra".
My mouth dropped open, because she NEVER has asked to learn anything
and math has been a sore spot since she went to 1st grade.
She had been "helping" her older cousin with her homework last night,
and some of it was pre algebra and she thought is seemed pretty easy
and interesting.
So, ya never know where this unschooling may lead!
Joanna
> that if they unschool their children that someday the kids will saysomething
> like *Hey, I want to learn about algebra (or pick a school-likesubject)
> today* and that isn't what happens.Actually, my 12 yo dd just said to me today, "I want to learn
Algebra".
My mouth dropped open, because she NEVER has asked to learn anything
and math has been a sore spot since she went to 1st grade.
She had been "helping" her older cousin with her homework last night,
and some of it was pre algebra and she thought is seemed pretty easy
and interesting.
So, ya never know where this unschooling may lead!
Joanna
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lyciall@... writes:
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lyciall@... writes:
> Whatnope!
> > happens if kids in public school fail the test?
>
> They fail a grade?
>
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zenmomma *
>>She then said that she would feel better if I would put Mirial incrossroads (the "Special" school, where most of the children there
can't even talk) and I told her I feel better about making sure my
daughter realizes that she's not dumb, or stupid as she herself
thought she was, and that she didn't know my daughter, had never met
my daughter, so how could she tell me what's best for her.>>
Oh this sounds sooooo familiar. I had a very similar conversation with the
school principal and Special Ed teacher on what turned out to be Conor's
very last day of school. They too wanted to put him in a special class. I
asked them if they truly thought he fit the profile of the kids put in that
class. They said no, but at least it'll be a small, quiet classroom. Right.
Where the other kids are biting and soiling themselves for attention.
:-P~~~~~
I actually asked them what their goals for him were. Were their goals to see
him reach maturity with a certain body of knowledge and a fair amount of
general skills, able to become a productive member of society? Or were their
goals to get him to sit in his seat, listen to directions, and do what he
was told when he was told? The principal actually took a breath and thought
a long time before telling me he had to do both. I told them we had
different goals for my son and left, never to return.
He's 13 and fine now. It was the BEST decision I have ever made.
Life is good.
~Mary
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>From: Dnowens@...Just found out a nice little story about the public school system here. It
> > What
> > > happens if kids in public school fail the test?
> >
> > They fail a grade?
> >
>
>nope!
concerns my daughters cousin. He failed every subject last year. Mostly
because he never showed up for class. He was in the 9th grade. He was
getting into trouble and finished off the year flunking and having to repeat
the year. His parents put him into some kind of juvenile detention place for
kids who get in trouble. Supposedly he came out changed for the better. When
he went to school this year, he went to sign up for 9th grade and they
didn't have him registered. His mom had to go to the school and guess
what??? They moved him on into the 10th grade anyway so he could have a
whole new start and try again to make it all right. Isn't that just the
nicest thing???
Mary B
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***> What
So the real answer is, the tests don't mean anything? If they are
promoting kids who fail the test to the next grade (I'm assuming that's
what happens), then why would it matter if your child fails? You could
still promote them! Or, still better, I think, is to skip that grade
altogether (but I've already said that). Maybe I'm being naive,
thinking that what applies to kids in public schools also applies to
homeschoolers?
ARRGGHH. I should know better, I'm in California. Pretty obvious here
that what applies to one doesn't to another.
Kate, who really needs coffee and a cigarette (except I quit smoking so
many years ago)
> > happens if kids in public school fail the test?nope!***
>
> They fail a grade?
>
So the real answer is, the tests don't mean anything? If they are
promoting kids who fail the test to the next grade (I'm assuming that's
what happens), then why would it matter if your child fails? You could
still promote them! Or, still better, I think, is to skip that grade
altogether (but I've already said that). Maybe I'm being naive,
thinking that what applies to kids in public schools also applies to
homeschoolers?
ARRGGHH. I should know better, I'm in California. Pretty obvious here
that what applies to one doesn't to another.
Kate, who really needs coffee and a cigarette (except I quit smoking so
many years ago)
zenmomma *
>>Actually, my 12 yo dd just said to me today, "I want to learnAlgebra".>>
Conor said this to me recently after we were talking about the difference
between arithmetic and higher math thinking. He said algebra sounds like fun
and he'd like to try it. I'll probably get some "Key To" books. The real
unschooling trick, though, is to not care if he ever opens them.
Life is good.
~Mary
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