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carol,
i am having the same thing with my daughters, 10 and 7. they were not like
this before, either! i will be listening...
erin

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What did people do in past times with kids like these? My dh always says
people<ME> are too easy on the kids when they get like this......that
generations before us <his parents and even his day> would NEVER have let
kids get away with some of the behavior and mouthiness that we let them get
away with now.
I am just wondering about others thoughts on these.

sam

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In a message dated 11/8/99 1:59:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, WhizMrs@...
writes:

<< What did people do in past times with kids like these? My dh always says
people<ME> are too easy on the kids when they get like this......that
generations before us <his parents and even his day> would NEVER have let
kids get away with some of the behavior and mouthiness that we let them get
away with now.
I am just wondering about others thoughts on these.
>>

This is a hard one. I do think kids today in general are more
disrespectful. Maybe I'm old fashioned but a lot of what I hear bothers me.
We do not allow our boys to talk down to us. We both have a wonderful sense
of humor and do allow them to joke with us within reason. This is a hard
issue to resolve though. This mentality has permeated our whole culture, we
fight an exhausting battle. Other than modeling what we expect from our kids
and correcting them when they slip I have no other answers.

Laura

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At 01:58 PM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: WhizMrs@...
>
>What did people do in past times with kids like these? My dh always says
>people<ME> are too easy on the kids when they get like this......that
>generations before us <his parents and even his day> would NEVER have let
>kids get away with some of the behavior and mouthiness that we let them get
>away with now.
>

Well, he's right. My parents would have slapped me out a window for
speaking back at them. Mom tried when I was 20 - just before I left home.
I love my parents dearly and I understand the need for respectful children
but I now feel there has to be a balance. I raise my girls to be
respectful and expect it, but I also expect them to be free to state their
case when they disagree with whatever is going on. They can say anything
they need to as long as it is done with a proper tone and respectfully. I
may still overrule them - but they know they can say whatever is on their
minds. I didn't feel I could growing up. I don't want that for my kids.
My Dad sees this as total disrespect. So I guess your viewpoint will effect
the result on this one.


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Laraine
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Seems like most of this comes down to one thing. Negotiation. I'm trying hard
to teach my kids to negotiate with each other, and trying hard to learn myself
that now that my kids are growing up a bit, I am not boss. I am learning how to
negotiate with them too. It is a great process, but I have to constantly remind
myself to take the time to do it. It really takes a bit longer, and some
practice.
Ann

The O'Donnells wrote:

> From: The O'Donnells <praxis@...>
>
> At 01:58 PM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >From: WhizMrs@...
> >
> >What did people do in past times with kids like these? My dh always says
> >people<ME> are too easy on the kids when they get like this......that
> >generations before us <his parents and even his day> would NEVER have let
> >kids get away with some of the behavior and mouthiness that we let them get
> >away with now.
> >
>
> Well, he's right. My parents would have slapped me out a window for
> speaking back at them. Mom tried when I was 20 - just before I left home.
> I love my parents dearly and I understand the need for respectful children
> but I now feel there has to be a balance. I raise my girls to be
> respectful and expect it, but I also expect them to be free to state their
> case when they disagree with whatever is going on. They can say anything
> they need to as long as it is done with a proper tone and respectfully. I
> may still overrule them - but they know they can say whatever is on their
> minds. I didn't feel I could growing up. I don't want that for my kids.
> My Dad sees this as total disrespect. So I guess your viewpoint will effect
> the result on this one.
>
> In His Service,
>
> Laraine
> praxis@...
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In a message dated 11/9/99 3:09:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
praxis@... writes:

<< I raise my girls to be
respectful and expect it, but I also expect them to be free to state their
case when they disagree with whatever is going on. They can say anything
they need to as long as it is done with a proper tone and respectfully. I
may still overrule them - but they know they can say whatever is on their
minds. I didn't feel I could growing up. >>

This is what I was trying to say also.

Laura