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In a message dated 9/6/02 3:54:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< So again, I put my ponderance out there - How is it people never have
squabbles in their homes? >>

Well, that certainly does not describe my home!! I WISH!
My 5 and 9 y.o. seem to be at odds the most, it must be the age.
I think that kids have a really hard time understanding developmental
differences and they sometimes expect the younger ones to understand
something that is common sense to them, but for a little one it isn't.
That gets frustrating for my older boys. I try to give them needed time alone
by getting the two youngest involved in something fun with me.
When they start squabbling a lot, that is usually a signal that I need to get
involved in their world more. Either by running distraction for the little
ones, or by getting us all involved in something fun or out to a new place
that gets us all distracted.

Ren

Kelli Traaseth

I agree with Ren, I have 9ys, 7yd and 5yd(I don't know all of your guys' abbreviations yet). And if I'm there to run interference we have a great time, but they are all so much the same age that they don't understand the maturity levels. My 9 y, is great with my 5y, but then my daughter in between gets her feelings hurt. She thinks her brother likes his little sister better because she sees him so gentle with her. He isn't quite as understanding when it comes to her. I'm sure because they are only 19 months apart. Although now they have been on the new playstation for 3 hours and I havn't had to interfere at all! So, so far so good!
Kelli, feeling almost euphoric to be home with the kids!
starsuncloud@... wrote:In a message dated 9/6/02 3:54:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< So again, I put my ponderance out there - How is it people never have
squabbles in their homes? >>

Well, that certainly does not describe my home!! I WISH!
My 5 and 9 y.o. seem to be at odds the most, it must be the age.
I think that kids have a really hard time understanding developmental
differences and they sometimes expect the younger ones to understand
something that is common sense to them, but for a little one it isn't.
That gets frustrating for my older boys. I try to give them needed time alone
by getting the two youngest involved in something fun with me.
When they start squabbling a lot, that is usually a signal that I need to get
involved in their world more. Either by running distraction for the little
ones, or by getting us all involved in something fun or out to a new place
that gets us all distracted.

Ren

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[email protected]

In a message dated 9/6/02 7:47:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< . No one person is at full fault for a squabble - >>

Never? Never ever? Around here there are obvious things that could be avoided
the next time. Sometimes there is no fault, but a lack of understanding.
When Trevor is not understanding his sisters five year old mental
capabilities and expects her to think like a 12 y.o. I can easily point out
her developmental differences (without her present) and ask him to not expect
certain things of her.
When Jared is hanging in Trevors room Waaaay past the welcome point, or
antagonizing him, he needs skills for dealing with his desire for a big
brother/friend at that moment.
Helping them learn another persons cues, understanding differences and how to
cope with different situations means pointing out how it could be done
different the next time.
Usually squabbles start for a reason.
No one is advocating blame. But there is always a reason for the squabble and
if you help them figure it out, they will gain skills to handle it better in
the future.
Blame isn't the point. But getting to the bottom of it is important sometimes.
It takes patience, it takes listening skills and understanding.
But being the advocate is important sometimes.

Ren

[email protected]

I'm so glad this is being discussed since I was meaning to bring it up.

What seems at root of much of the unhappiness and fighting at our house is
competition for me and my time. They both have been getting really mad and
resentful when they both want something from me at the same time. (And daddy
usually won't do, they say.) Right now their interests don't overlap much -
they are 3 and 8 - and they both often want me to do something with them at
the same time. (The one thing they've been doing together is watching videos
and they always want to do it together, so that doesn't give me videos as a
way to have one on one time with the one not watching.) The three year old
really really has a hard time waiting and I'm always thinking, "gee, Sam
didn't have to wait when he was three, why should Nicky?" But that really
doesn't go over well with Sam.

I'm just not feeling like I have enough loving attention to go around. And I
only have two kids! I really feel like I haven't figured out how to
unschool (parent?) with two kids. Most of the homeschoolers around here
deal with this by putting the youngest in preschool. But I don't want to do
that! Anyone else deal with this and how?

Pam T.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 9/6/02 11:20:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Kirby's worst time was when he was 12, and we all would shake our heads
and take deep breaths and just hope he would grow out of it, which he did,
beautifully. >>

You don't know how good that is to hear. I am so frustrated some days at
Trevor's lack of patience or sympathy to his younger sibs. He can be so
wonderful and nice, but if they annoy him watch out! Name calling and barking
at them to stay away are almost every day fare.
He's also been very angry towards me over seemingly trivial stuff lately.
I think we're going headlong into puberty here. Hope it's just the 12
transition....

Ren

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In a message dated 9/7/02 8:40:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< ! My kids are 5 and 8 for God's sake! We're not
talking domestic violence - GET IT?-=- >>

Really? So just because the law doesn't call it domestic violence because
there is no respect for kids in our society, that makes it ok?
If your children were doing the same thing at 20, it would be considered
domestic violence and it would not be acceptable.
For some reason, our sick society accepts children being hit, shamed and
otherwise abused in the name of "discipline".
If the same acts are commited by any adult, it's illegal.
If your children are hurting each other, it's only ok because they're
children. Can you see the wrongness in that?

Ren

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In a message dated 9/9/02 3:28:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< That was discussed at length. Especially if you were the one to first use
the word "squabble." >>

I remember posting several times in this issue. How was this not answered?

Ren, totally confused as to how people are interpreting what an "answer" is
now

[email protected]

In a message dated 9/9/02 3:28:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<<
No Sandra, you're lost again. I wasn't the one that used the word squabbles
and I posted this after the whole squabble postings and after all the
"saying NO posts" got heated. I sincerely wanted an answer and also thought
a change of thought would help. >>

I remember your original post Mary.
I also remember extensive answers to it.
Like the idea of telling a child to first use words, secondly get help from a
parent and resorting to hitting last.
That was Sandra's example, I read about real life stories from her where this
helped her children not learn to hit.
I read so many posts about this.
I guess the answers weren't what you wanted.

Ren

Mary Bianco

>From: starsuncloud@...

>I remember your original post Mary.
>I also remember extensive answers to it.
>Like the idea of telling a child to first use words, secondly get help from
>a
>parent and resorting to hitting last.
>That was Sandra's example, I read about real life stories from her where
>this
>helped her children not learn to hit.
>I read so many posts about this.
>I guess the answers weren't what you wanted.
>
>Ren


Aside from all the postings about squabbles which seemed like nothing in
particular and more general, I had no answers that I saw about my particular
problem. Sandra's first reply was to a hypothetical question I posted. She
just recently posted an answer to my "real" question. I guess everyone is so
overhwelmed about the whole squabble thing, people are finished with it for
now. If there was an answer to my post, I would love for someone to show me
as I may have missed it. I checked archives and still see nothing. It's not
a matter of what I want to hear but something I haven't done that works.

Mary B

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In a message dated 9/9/02 4:27:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
mummyone24@... writes:


> Aside from all the postings about squabbles which seemed like nothing in
> particular and more general, I had no answers that I saw about my
> particular
> problem. Sandra's first reply was to a hypothetical question I posted. She
> just recently posted an answer to my "real" question. I guess everyone is
> so
> overhwelmed about the whole squabble thing, people are finished with it for
> now. If there was an answer to my post, I would love for someone to show me
> as I may have missed it. I checked archives and still see nothing. It's not
> a matter of what I want to hear but something I haven't done that works.
>
> Mary B
>

How are we supposed to know which question you ask is real or hypothetical? I
am sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If we genuinely try to answer a
posted question, then you can take it or leave it. But the question has to be
genuine as well. And we sometimes reply to a question with a hypothetical
answer, but you can't post a hypothetical question and get upset that the
*real* question wasn't answered. It just doesn't make sense.

I need help, my son Jack is constantly picking his nose and eating the
boogers, what should I do? My MIL says I should slap his hand away from his
nose and tell him firmly that "We DON'T pick our noses!"

I need some advice on how to solve the *Its my turn to use the computer* we
only have one computer and it seems like both the kids want to use it at the
same time. How am I going to be fair to both?

Which of these is a genuine question? Which of these is a hypothetical
question? How is the group supposed to know? If I post them both, and they
both get replied too then should I get upset?

Think about it.
~Nancy


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[email protected]

In a message dated 9/9/02 3:28:03 PM, mummyone24@... writes:

<< Sandra's first reply was to a hypothetical question I posted. She
just recently posted an answer to my "real" question. >>

I don't think I posted anything that hadn't been said before except to check
protein.

We can't tell you what you haven't done that might work if you haven't told
us what you HAVE done.

Sandra

[email protected]

> I need help, my son Jack is constantly picking his nose and eating
> the
> boogers, what should I do? My MIL says I should slap his hand away
> from his
> nose and tell him firmly that "We DON'T pick our noses!"

Have you ever noticed how fingers are exactly the right size to fit up a
nostril? And have you ever noticed how the nose is above the mouth and
how on cold days gravity just eases things along? Have you ever noticed
that tongues are just long enough to reach that place right under the
nose?

Deb L, hypothetical smart ass

[email protected]

I like the booger question better, so I'm answering that.
I get totally grossed out to the max from people eating boogers and tend to
make serious gagging and retching sounds. Not laughingly but really gagging
and retching. I also say that I don't want to see that because it makes me
physically ill. The first time my now 14 yo (who only surfed for porn one
time by googling <Britney Spears boobs>) must have been pretty affected by
my seriously ill response and hasn't done it in front of me again. According
to one of my "monitoring" sources (Emily) he still eats them just not in
front of me!
I have also talked about getting ill and different germs and their
environments and why they belong in their particular place (booger germs
don't belong in your intestinal tract)
Well, even if this one was Theoretical, I believe that according to the laws
of chance, there has got to be at least ONE member who is wondering about
this infrequently brought up in polite society question.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160

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In a message dated 9/9/02 4:06:21 PM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< > I need help, my son Jack is constantly picking his nose and eating
> the
> boogers, what should I do? My MIL says I should slap his hand away
> from his
> nose and tell him firmly that "We DON'T pick our noses!" >>

I did a sarcastic and almost horrible thing when Marty was an obsessed
booger-eater. We had a friend who worked at the zoo. He was in charge of
the birds. I told Marty if he wanted to try some more exotic boogers, I bet
Bill could get us some monkey boogers, or maybe giraffe boogers or elephant
boogers. Wouldn't THAT be fun?

It made him laugh, but it slowed him down, too.

Sandra

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In a message dated 9/9/02 4:18:58 PM, Dnowens@... writes:

<< I need some advice on how to solve the *Its my turn to use the computer*
we
only have one computer and it seems like both the kids want to use it at the
same time. How am I going to be fair to both? >>

Unlimited turns without interruption. That worked for us.

I don't mind answering hypothetical questions as long as someone doesn't come
and tell me my kid will become a porn-addicted son of an obtusion.

Sandra

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In a message dated 9/9/02 5:07:22 PM Central Daylight Time, ddzimlew@...
writes:


> Have you ever noticed how fingers are exactly the right size to fit up a
> nostril? And have you ever noticed how the nose is above the mouth and
> how on cold days gravity just eases things along? Have you ever noticed
> that tongues are just long enough to reach that place right under the
> nose?
>
> Deb L, hypothetical smart ass
>

Cute. ;o)
~Nancy


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[email protected]

In a message dated 9/9/02 5:29:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> Unlimited turns without interruption. That worked for us.
>
> I don't mind answering hypothetical questions as long as someone doesn't
> come
> and tell me my kid will become a porn-addicted son of an obtusion.
>
> Sandra

Subj: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] squabbles
Date: 9/9/02 5:34:33 PM Central Daylight Time
From: ElissaJC@...
Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>
To: [email protected]




I like the booger question better, so I'm answering that.

Thanks guys! <eg>
~Nancy


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Mary Bianco

>From: Dnowens@...

>How are we supposed to know which question you ask is real or hypothetical?
>I
>am sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If we genuinely try to answer a
>posted question, then you can take it or leave it.


Oh for God's sake because when Sandra and I were talking about something I
said, and she was telling a story I simply asked her by name, "well what if
such and such happened?" She answered.

Then later on I posted a question concerning a problem I'm having. If I ask
someone what they would do in a certain situation does that mean I can't ask
another question for my own concerns???

It's not like I came up with something out of the blue that no one was
already talking about just to get a conversation going.

Mary B

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In a message dated 9/9/02 8:35:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
mummyone24@... writes:


> Oh for God's sake because when Sandra and I were talking about something I
> said, and she was telling a story I simply asked her by name, "well what if
> such and such happened?" She answered.

WOW! And all I was trying to get you to understand it that we can't all
*know* all the time what someone posted three days ago, and if you post one
question, you can't get all huffy when it gets mixed in with four others.

>
> Then later on I posted a question concerning a problem I'm having. If I ask
> someone what they would do in a certain situation does that mean I can't
> ask
> another question for my own concerns???

Certainly not, but you can't get upset if people bungle it, mix the two or
three up, or any other human failure that might happen. We make mistakes. We
don't get all questions answered, we don't know if all questions are serious
and so we take them all seriously, or as best we can.

>
> It's not like I came up with something out of the blue that no one was
> already talking about just to get a conversation going.
>
> Mary B

No one said you did. And even if you did, that would be great too! This is
just MHO but I think you should take a few deep breaths. We go through this
all the time, someone doesn't understand what someone else has written, or
they *read* more into a post than is there. No biggie, we all do it, just try
to read with the idea that everyone here is offering advice based on their
own personal experiences. No one is judging, or calling anyone else a crappy
parent. Its hard, I know especially for those of us (not saying this applies
to you, this is a general you) who don't have the support group, or a
supportive family. But we can't run around clarifying every statement. Or
making sure the person a post is intended for understands it is for them. The
posts are for all of us, not just one of us. Just breathe, relax, we are all
walking the same path, there are no nasty MIL's or nosy neighbors here. <g>
~Nancy


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MO Milligans

At 06:28 PM 9/9/02 -0400, you wrote:

>I need some advice on how to solve the *Its my turn to use the computer*
==
Tell the one NOT on the computer that he/she will just have to wait for
his/her turn? Or, or, (this just came to me<g>)... set time-limits for each
turn? Or is that in conflict with the very nature of unschooling? :-)

Todd

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kayb85

If it's an on-going problem, you could consider the possibility of
buying another computer. Especially for very little kids who don't
use the internet and only want a computer for computer games
(software), you can get them very cheap.
Sheila


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., MO Milligans <Ozarkren@r...> wrote:
> At 06:28 PM 9/9/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >I need some advice on how to solve the *Its my turn to use the
computer*
> ==
> Tell the one NOT on the computer that he/she will just have to wait
for
> his/her turn? Or, or, (this just came to me<g>)... set time-limits
for each
> turn? Or is that in conflict with the very nature of unschooling? :-
)
>
> Todd
>
> Our HOME page
> http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html

Liza Sabater

Use a kitchen timer. When the alarm sounds off, it's time to give it
up to the next person. I have a 5 year old and a 2.5 year old and two
computers and we still have to do this! Also, there is not
negotiating when mommy and daddy have to work. When it is work, it is
work and they gotta wait until we are done. No exceptions --we do
most of out work from home, so they know when we mean business.

Liza


>At 06:28 PM 9/9/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>I need some advice on how to solve the *Its my turn to use the computer*
>==
>Tell the one NOT on the computer that he/she will just have to wait for
>his/her turn? Or, or, (this just came to me<g>)... set time-limits for each
>turn? Or is that in conflict with the very nature of unschooling? :-)
>
>Todd
>
>Our HOME page
><http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html>http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
>

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In a message dated 9/9/02 6:07:19 PM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<<
> I need help, my son Jack is constantly picking his nose and eating
> the boogers, what should I do? My MIL says I should slap his hand away
> from his nose and tell him firmly that "We DON'T pick our noses!" >>

My daughter did this for a few years, she's now 7 and hasn't done it for
several years.

I do have a funny story. I have always believed in using the correct words
for body parts. When my son was little he asked me what the stuff in his nose
was called. For the life of me I couldn't think of what it was called and
what came out of my mouth was "Gookies" (pronounced like cookies). That stuck
for a long time. So, when my daughter started picking her nose, she'd pick
it, eat it and say, "Mmmmm, gookies". Anyone who overheard her thought she
was saying "cookies".

Sharon