Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] The reluctant husband
Alan & Brenda Leonard
> Hey, that would be a good book title--The Reluctant Husband. SomeoneMake it a pamphlet. Maybe my husband would get through it that way.
> should write that book! lol It could be for husbands to read whose
> wives want to homeschool or unschool and they need some encouragement
> to go along with it.
brenda
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I think a simple one line statement would suffice:
Unschooling works.
THEN the 180 + citations
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
Unschooling works.
THEN the 180 + citations
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
Mica
Okay, now I could provide that many citations from the articles I have
printed over the years, however... what are the best? IE what citations
best validate the statement "unschooling works"?
Mica
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I think a simple one line statement would suffice:
Unschooling works.
THEN the 180 + citations
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
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printed over the years, however... what are the best? IE what citations
best validate the statement "unschooling works"?
Mica
ghal9720@...
Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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From: ElissaJC@... [mailto:ElissaJC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2002 10:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] The reluctant husband
I think a simple one line statement would suffice:
Unschooling works.
THEN the 180 + citations
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
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IE what citations
best validate the statement "unschooling works"?
Does anyone actually read all the citations, follow them through to the
original works?
It was a facetious remark.
But, starting with John Holt, the Unschooling Handbook, Linda Dobson, and
here may get a RDH going.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
best validate the statement "unschooling works"?
Does anyone actually read all the citations, follow them through to the
original works?
It was a facetious remark.
But, starting with John Holt, the Unschooling Handbook, Linda Dobson, and
here may get a RDH going.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
Mica
Of course... I recognised the tongue-in-cheek ... my dh doesn't want to
read anything, so I grinned to imagine such a short document.
Unfortunately we're also in a situation where he doesn't (?want to)
understand unschooling as I have been able to present it. I have piles
of supportive material garnered from the internet and books over the
last five years, but I'm finding it difficult to isolate the most
convincing yet concise material to focus on encouraging dh to read...
not that he would but... I live in hope that one day he will want to
understand. (In the meantime I am enabling the children to learn in
freedom, it is just that when marital frustration arises, dh becomes
unpleasant to us for our activities that he deems non-educational)
I suspect that the material I find convincing will not be the same for
him. John Holt and the others that stimulate and motivate me explain
how the process of unschooling makes sense - but don't prove that it
*has* worked. Contemplating what will be convincing for him is probably
not as important as dealing with our various communication difficulties,
but I can't fix the communication by myself, but on my own I might be
able to find the quickest material to answer his unschooling doubts -
maybe not.
Mica
ghal9720@...
Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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From: ElissaJC@... [mailto:ElissaJC@...]
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 11:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] The reluctant husband
IE what citations
best validate the statement "unschooling works"?
Does anyone actually read all the citations, follow them through to the
original works?
It was a facetious remark.
But, starting with John Holt, the Unschooling Handbook, Linda Dobson,
and
here may get a RDH going.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
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read anything, so I grinned to imagine such a short document.
Unfortunately we're also in a situation where he doesn't (?want to)
understand unschooling as I have been able to present it. I have piles
of supportive material garnered from the internet and books over the
last five years, but I'm finding it difficult to isolate the most
convincing yet concise material to focus on encouraging dh to read...
not that he would but... I live in hope that one day he will want to
understand. (In the meantime I am enabling the children to learn in
freedom, it is just that when marital frustration arises, dh becomes
unpleasant to us for our activities that he deems non-educational)
I suspect that the material I find convincing will not be the same for
him. John Holt and the others that stimulate and motivate me explain
how the process of unschooling makes sense - but don't prove that it
*has* worked. Contemplating what will be convincing for him is probably
not as important as dealing with our various communication difficulties,
but I can't fix the communication by myself, but on my own I might be
able to find the quickest material to answer his unschooling doubts -
maybe not.
Mica
ghal9720@...
Stawell, Victoria, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: ElissaJC@... [mailto:ElissaJC@...]
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 11:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] The reluctant husband
IE what citations
best validate the statement "unschooling works"?
Does anyone actually read all the citations, follow them through to the
original works?
It was a facetious remark.
But, starting with John Holt, the Unschooling Handbook, Linda Dobson,
and
here may get a RDH going.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
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In a message dated 9/6/02 11:04:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
ghal9720@... writes:
doesn't want to understand, its that it is a hard concept for him to wrap his
mind around. And maybe, that is the same for your dh, but he doesn't know how
to express his feelings of confusion.? I would suggest a few things. One, get
some of the tapes from the recent hs conference in California. This will
enable him to hear other people besides you talking or reading to him about
unschooling, life, kids, loving family relationships... Two, offer to him
what I have just offered to Darin.
I took Darin to and from work today because the kids and I needed the car.
While we were in the car together, we listened to one of the tapes I just
got. This evening he and I were doing the same thing on the way over to the
grocery store and he was making a few observations about some of the things
Sandra was saying in the talk we were listening to. And then he asked if she
was famous. <g> I said well, yes I suppose so, in homeschooling circles. I
took this as an opening to talk some and asked if he had something he wanted
to know. Nothing doing. <g> (*Sandra, Darin thinks you are some kinda famous
homeschooling expert! Go figgure!*) So I said if he had a question and wanted
to hear someone else's response or ideas besides mine he should post the
question here. He seemed really receptive to that. He said that yes, he might
have a few things he would like to hear others take on. So, I am hoping that
he will post here soon. I think it will really help. Maybe you could offer
that same thing for your dh.
~Nancy
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ghal9720@... writes:
> Of course... I recognised the tongue-in-cheek ... my dh doesn't want toMica, this has got to be hard for you. In our situation, its not that Darin
> read anything, so I grinned to imagine such a short document.
>
> Unfortunately we're also in a situation where he doesn't (?want to)
> understand unschooling as I have been able to present it. I have piles
> of supportive material garnered from the internet and books over the
> last five years, but I'm finding it difficult to isolate the most
> convincing yet concise material to focus on encouraging dh to read...
> not that he would but... I live in hope that one day he will want to
> understand. (In the meantime I am enabling the children to learn in
> freedom, it is just that when marital frustration arises, dh becomes
> unpleasant to us for our activities that he deems non-educational)
doesn't want to understand, its that it is a hard concept for him to wrap his
mind around. And maybe, that is the same for your dh, but he doesn't know how
to express his feelings of confusion.? I would suggest a few things. One, get
some of the tapes from the recent hs conference in California. This will
enable him to hear other people besides you talking or reading to him about
unschooling, life, kids, loving family relationships... Two, offer to him
what I have just offered to Darin.
I took Darin to and from work today because the kids and I needed the car.
While we were in the car together, we listened to one of the tapes I just
got. This evening he and I were doing the same thing on the way over to the
grocery store and he was making a few observations about some of the things
Sandra was saying in the talk we were listening to. And then he asked if she
was famous. <g> I said well, yes I suppose so, in homeschooling circles. I
took this as an opening to talk some and asked if he had something he wanted
to know. Nothing doing. <g> (*Sandra, Darin thinks you are some kinda famous
homeschooling expert! Go figgure!*) So I said if he had a question and wanted
to hear someone else's response or ideas besides mine he should post the
question here. He seemed really receptive to that. He said that yes, he might
have a few things he would like to hear others take on. So, I am hoping that
he will post here soon. I think it will really help. Maybe you could offer
that same thing for your dh.
~Nancy
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Mary Bianco
>I suspect that the material I find convincing will not be the same forWhat about finding those people who have made it successfully and show him
>him.
>
>Mica
material about them. Do you have a HS group in your area you belong to. One
major thing that really impressed my husband, although he was in total
support even before, was when our local support group had 4 HSer's at one of
our meetings talking of their experiences. Two were unschooled and two
weren't but they were all between 16 and 19 and all in college. Two already
had their own business' going. The way they handled themselves and how they
answered all the questions we threw at them was very convincing for someone
who would have been skeptical.
Mary B
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In a message dated 09/07/2002 12:04:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ghal9720@... writes:
You may want to try the borntoexplore.org site or the grown unschoolers
website (don't know exact address). I've used articles on the first one for
both my husband and in-laws (a current problem). It's working on the husband.
He also likes short and sweet.
Good luck,
Ginny
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ghal9720@... writes:
> but I can't fix the communication by myself, but on my own I might beMica,
> able to find the quickest material to answer his unschooling doubts -
> maybe not.
>
You may want to try the borntoexplore.org site or the grown unschoolers
website (don't know exact address). I've used articles on the first one for
both my husband and in-laws (a current problem). It's working on the husband.
He also likes short and sweet.
Good luck,
Ginny
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mica
Thanks Ginny, I'm tempted to obtain the grown without schooling video
(if that is the website you're talking about). Borntoexplore.org
appears to be a great site - give much to rethink about ADD. As that is
not an issue for us I think Greg would be reluctant to read it - "after
all, our kids don't have ADD" but if there is a particular article there
that your husband found particularly influential please let me know.
Mica
ghal9720@...
Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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From: GDobes@... [mailto:GDobes@...]
Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 11:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] The reluctant husband
In a message dated 09/07/2002 12:04:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ghal9720@... writes:
You may want to try the borntoexplore.org site or the grown unschoolers
website (don't know exact address). I've used articles on the first one
for
both my husband and in-laws (a current problem). It's working on the
husband.
He also likes short and sweet.
Good luck,
Ginny
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(if that is the website you're talking about). Borntoexplore.org
appears to be a great site - give much to rethink about ADD. As that is
not an issue for us I think Greg would be reluctant to read it - "after
all, our kids don't have ADD" but if there is a particular article there
that your husband found particularly influential please let me know.
Mica
ghal9720@...
Stawell, Victoria, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: GDobes@... [mailto:GDobes@...]
Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 11:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] The reluctant husband
In a message dated 09/07/2002 12:04:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ghal9720@... writes:
> but I can't fix the communication by myself, but on my own I might beMica,
> able to find the quickest material to answer his unschooling doubts -
> maybe not.
>
You may want to try the borntoexplore.org site or the grown unschoolers
website (don't know exact address). I've used articles on the first one
for
both my husband and in-laws (a current problem). It's working on the
husband.
He also likes short and sweet.
Good luck,
Ginny
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