Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Introduction...long
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:19:01 -0400 "Linda Greene"
<lhgreene2000@...> writes:
Reserve <g>. And while he was initially very unsure about unschooling, as
soon as I talked a little bit about how bored he had been in school, and
how many other passions he could have spent more time on if he hadn't
been in school - he got it right away. And he's been really supportive
ever since.
Dar
<lhgreene2000@...> writes:
> An interesting note: My husband is incredibly smart man. WithoutMy dad was like this - he actually went to medical school at Case Western
> his realizing it, he basically unschooled himself as a child. He
> says he never cracked a book in highschool, but from middle school
> on he was continually doing his own chemistry experiments and
> exploring things on his own. He was also very active in all the
> clubs in school: band, debate, D & D, class president, etc. He did
> his undergrade at Case Wester and his Masters and PhD and UNC. I'm
> wondering if I should point this out to him. <G>
Reserve <g>. And while he was initially very unsure about unschooling, as
soon as I talked a little bit about how bored he had been in school, and
how many other passions he could have spent more time on if he hadn't
been in school - he got it right away. And he's been really supportive
ever since.
Dar
Linda Greene
Hi. My name is Linda Greene. I just joined unschooling-dotcom yesterday. I am very interested in unschooling but am scared to death, mainly because my husband is very opposed to it.
We homeschooled for the first time this past year. I have two boys: Thomas age 11 and Daniel age 7 (8 in November). My oldest really had a rough 3rd and 4th grade in public school. His grades were poor and his self-esteem even worse. He was angry, violent, teary all the time. He was diagnosed ADHD, and depressed by a psychiatrist. I was not about to put him on drugs, so I pulled him out of school (my husband was somewhat supportive).
We started last year off with Calvert School curriculum....ACK! What a mistake! That lasted all of about 1 1/2 weeks. I quickly backed off to math, science and some language arts workbooks, plus daily reading to my kids (well almost daily). Many days we didn't do anything, or we went on field trips. For the first time ever, Thomas, is reading a book on his own. He read one book this summer and now is reading "The Two Towers" from the Tokien series to himself! I am thrilled beyond belief. We've always had to read to him.
Anyway, I had promised my husband I would push the kids a bit harder this year. Oops! Not a good idea. Becuase, now I realize that I think unschooling (or at least mostly unschooling) is a really good idea, especially for Thomas. I am also afraid that Thomas won't learn how to write papers and Daniel won't learn things like what verbs are. Most of you are probably giggling at this. Hopefully, I will be, too, someday. ;o) But, for now, I'm scared and afraid to completely let go, while appeasing my husband who was once described by a friend (this was after the friend saw our garage) as being potty-trained at 3 months by a German Hun! I think my husband was, too. Well, he did spend part of his infancy in an orphanage which may explain some of it!!! My is VERY anal, and VERY worried about the kids getting a proper education which includes testing...AAAAHHH! His whole life revolves around order and disipline.
Also, I filed under homeschooling option 1 in Virginia. This option says that I can homeschool because I (or my spouse) has a degree. My only requirement is to give my kids the CAT (or a similar test) test at the end of the year. I think I could keep a porfolio instead, but I'm not up for that. I do keep a daily journal for my husband's. Not that he'll ever look at it, and it was my idea. But, just in case he gets to be a p.i.t.a, I can stick it in his face and say, "SEE!!! They are learning!" For those of you that give your kids an end-of-the-year exam, how do your kids do on the tests and what things can I do to help them?
I have filled our playroom with lots of interesting stuff - maps, cd's about space and science, games, tons of books. I bought almost the entire Horribly History and Horribly Science series! If nothing else, I'll read them. hee hee They seem interested in some of them...especially my youngest whose love for learning hasn't been squelched. I plan on just leaving them to find those things that interest them and gently encouraging them.
Well, phew!! I think that's it...for now.
Thank you,
Linda Greene
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We homeschooled for the first time this past year. I have two boys: Thomas age 11 and Daniel age 7 (8 in November). My oldest really had a rough 3rd and 4th grade in public school. His grades were poor and his self-esteem even worse. He was angry, violent, teary all the time. He was diagnosed ADHD, and depressed by a psychiatrist. I was not about to put him on drugs, so I pulled him out of school (my husband was somewhat supportive).
We started last year off with Calvert School curriculum....ACK! What a mistake! That lasted all of about 1 1/2 weeks. I quickly backed off to math, science and some language arts workbooks, plus daily reading to my kids (well almost daily). Many days we didn't do anything, or we went on field trips. For the first time ever, Thomas, is reading a book on his own. He read one book this summer and now is reading "The Two Towers" from the Tokien series to himself! I am thrilled beyond belief. We've always had to read to him.
Anyway, I had promised my husband I would push the kids a bit harder this year. Oops! Not a good idea. Becuase, now I realize that I think unschooling (or at least mostly unschooling) is a really good idea, especially for Thomas. I am also afraid that Thomas won't learn how to write papers and Daniel won't learn things like what verbs are. Most of you are probably giggling at this. Hopefully, I will be, too, someday. ;o) But, for now, I'm scared and afraid to completely let go, while appeasing my husband who was once described by a friend (this was after the friend saw our garage) as being potty-trained at 3 months by a German Hun! I think my husband was, too. Well, he did spend part of his infancy in an orphanage which may explain some of it!!! My is VERY anal, and VERY worried about the kids getting a proper education which includes testing...AAAAHHH! His whole life revolves around order and disipline.
Also, I filed under homeschooling option 1 in Virginia. This option says that I can homeschool because I (or my spouse) has a degree. My only requirement is to give my kids the CAT (or a similar test) test at the end of the year. I think I could keep a porfolio instead, but I'm not up for that. I do keep a daily journal for my husband's. Not that he'll ever look at it, and it was my idea. But, just in case he gets to be a p.i.t.a, I can stick it in his face and say, "SEE!!! They are learning!" For those of you that give your kids an end-of-the-year exam, how do your kids do on the tests and what things can I do to help them?
I have filled our playroom with lots of interesting stuff - maps, cd's about space and science, games, tons of books. I bought almost the entire Horribly History and Horribly Science series! If nothing else, I'll read them. hee hee They seem interested in some of them...especially my youngest whose love for learning hasn't been squelched. I plan on just leaving them to find those things that interest them and gently encouraging them.
Well, phew!! I think that's it...for now.
Thank you,
Linda Greene
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In a message dated 8/31/02 8:58:43 AM, lhgreene2000@... writes:
<< Anyway, I had promised my husband I would push the kids a bit harder this
year. Oops! Not a good idea.>>
Do lots of "field trips" and call it pushing.
Do an overnight trip to a neighboring city with something historical or cool.
Be OUT there, out of the house. They learn like crazy in new surroundings.
<<I am also afraid that Thomas won't learn how to write papers and Daniel
won't learn things like what verbs are. >>
Forget "papers" until he has something to write about, but for verbs, Mad
Libs. There are lots of sites on line (if you go to google.com and put in
mad libs...)
Sandra
<< Anyway, I had promised my husband I would push the kids a bit harder this
year. Oops! Not a good idea.>>
Do lots of "field trips" and call it pushing.
Do an overnight trip to a neighboring city with something historical or cool.
Be OUT there, out of the house. They learn like crazy in new surroundings.
<<I am also afraid that Thomas won't learn how to write papers and Daniel
won't learn things like what verbs are. >>
Forget "papers" until he has something to write about, but for verbs, Mad
Libs. There are lots of sites on line (if you go to google.com and put in
mad libs...)
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 08/31/2002 10:58:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lhgreene2000@... writes:
It is so good to "see" you on this list. The people on this list provide me
with so much insight into unschooling. Be prepared to have your thoughts
challenged. This is good. You may balk at first, but you'll also think about
what is said. Do not be offended. This is an unschooling list, so that is
what the people on this list do.
My husband is second generation German immigrant, and fits many of the
stereotypes of the German people -- discipline, order, black and white
mentality, structure. Luckily, we live far enough away from his family and
been away for enough years that he has mellowed tremendously. Plus he lives
with me, the opposite in many ways.
I recently sent him an article written by Linda Dobson that I found on the
unschooling newsletter. I wish I kept a copy. It was about children learning
on their own schedule. It was short but to the point. He really took it to
heart, and let me know how much respect that he has for how the children are
learning and how I'm allowing them the learn naturally.
Welcome,
I hope you get the support (I know this is not a support group, but you guys
know what I mean) you are looking for. Listen to the veterans. They have so
much to offer. You'll quickly figure out who they are. Also consider
attending the unschooling conference in South Carolina in Oct. I'm trying to
finagle a way to go.
Ginny from Keswick, VA
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lhgreene2000@... writes:
> Hi. My name is Linda Greene. I just joined unschooling-dotcom yesterday.Linda,
> I am very interested in unschooling but am scared to death, mainly because
> my husband is very opposed to it.
It is so good to "see" you on this list. The people on this list provide me
with so much insight into unschooling. Be prepared to have your thoughts
challenged. This is good. You may balk at first, but you'll also think about
what is said. Do not be offended. This is an unschooling list, so that is
what the people on this list do.
My husband is second generation German immigrant, and fits many of the
stereotypes of the German people -- discipline, order, black and white
mentality, structure. Luckily, we live far enough away from his family and
been away for enough years that he has mellowed tremendously. Plus he lives
with me, the opposite in many ways.
I recently sent him an article written by Linda Dobson that I found on the
unschooling newsletter. I wish I kept a copy. It was about children learning
on their own schedule. It was short but to the point. He really took it to
heart, and let me know how much respect that he has for how the children are
learning and how I'm allowing them the learn naturally.
Welcome,
I hope you get the support (I know this is not a support group, but you guys
know what I mean) you are looking for. Listen to the veterans. They have so
much to offer. You'll quickly figure out who they are. Also consider
attending the unschooling conference in South Carolina in Oct. I'm trying to
finagle a way to go.
Ginny from Keswick, VA
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Betsy
**My is VERY anal, and
VERY worried about the kids getting a proper education which includes
testing...AAAAHHH! His whole life revolves around order and disipline. **
Maybe Frank Smith's book, The Book of Learning and Forgetting would be
helpful. It makes the case very strongly that drill is not the best way
for children to learn. Even if your husband just read the chapter about
how a scientist named Ebinghaus promoted "rote learning".
A deeper book about undoing the trauma of being raised by Huns is For
Your Own Good, by Alice Miller. I also like Gloria Steinem's book
Revolution from Within, with sections about Germanic parenting practices
destroying self esteem, but that's probably too touchy-feely for your DH.
** I bought almost the entire Horribly
History and Horribly Science series! **
We have most of the Horribly Histories, but I didn't even know there
were Horribly Science books. Thanks for the tip!
Betsy
PS (I'd like to see if there is a way for you to give your children the
freedom that they crave without having to have an all out fight with
your husband. Your husband's background sounds so sad that I want to
say, "love him as much as you can and listen to him calmly" so that he
can be an ally and not an enemy. But you've probably been doing this
for years, and you know better than I do whether it would bear any fruit.)
PPS (For the younger one, Mad Libs are a fun way to understand what a
verb is. Also: noun, adjective and adverb.)
VERY worried about the kids getting a proper education which includes
testing...AAAAHHH! His whole life revolves around order and disipline. **
Maybe Frank Smith's book, The Book of Learning and Forgetting would be
helpful. It makes the case very strongly that drill is not the best way
for children to learn. Even if your husband just read the chapter about
how a scientist named Ebinghaus promoted "rote learning".
A deeper book about undoing the trauma of being raised by Huns is For
Your Own Good, by Alice Miller. I also like Gloria Steinem's book
Revolution from Within, with sections about Germanic parenting practices
destroying self esteem, but that's probably too touchy-feely for your DH.
** I bought almost the entire Horribly
History and Horribly Science series! **
We have most of the Horribly Histories, but I didn't even know there
were Horribly Science books. Thanks for the tip!
Betsy
PS (I'd like to see if there is a way for you to give your children the
freedom that they crave without having to have an all out fight with
your husband. Your husband's background sounds so sad that I want to
say, "love him as much as you can and listen to him calmly" so that he
can be an ally and not an enemy. But you've probably been doing this
for years, and you know better than I do whether it would bear any fruit.)
PPS (For the younger one, Mad Libs are a fun way to understand what a
verb is. Also: noun, adjective and adverb.)
Linda Greene
Actually, we take the kids quite a few places. We went to London last fall with the boys. Thomas is going back to London with my husband in two weeks. Then we are taking them to Seattle, WA and Vancouver, BC at the end of the month.
Mad Libbs!!! I totally forgot those. My kids love them. Except being that they are boys, every verb and noun is "fart" and every adjective is "smelly". <G>
We do a fair number of field trips, too. Okay, I feel better.
An interesting note: My husband is incredibly smart man. Without his realizing it, he basically unschooled himself as a child. He says he never cracked a book in highschool, but from middle school on he was continually doing his own chemistry experiments and exploring things on his own. He was also very active in all the clubs in school: band, debate, D & D, class president, etc. He did his undergrade at Case Wester and his Masters and PhD and UNC. I'm wondering if I should point this out to him. <G>
Linda Greene
Mad Libbs!!! I totally forgot those. My kids love them. Except being that they are boys, every verb and noun is "fart" and every adjective is "smelly". <G>
We do a fair number of field trips, too. Okay, I feel better.
An interesting note: My husband is incredibly smart man. Without his realizing it, he basically unschooled himself as a child. He says he never cracked a book in highschool, but from middle school on he was continually doing his own chemistry experiments and exploring things on his own. He was also very active in all the clubs in school: band, debate, D & D, class president, etc. He did his undergrade at Case Wester and his Masters and PhD and UNC. I'm wondering if I should point this out to him. <G>
Linda Greene
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From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Introduction...long
In a message dated 8/31/02 8:58:43 AM, lhgreene2000@... writes:
<< Anyway, I had promised my husband I would push the kids a bit harder this
year. Oops! Not a good idea.>>
Do lots of "field trips" and call it pushing.
Do an overnight trip to a neighboring city with something historical or cool.
Be OUT there, out of the house. They learn like crazy in new surroundings.
<<I am also afraid that Thomas won't learn how to write papers and Daniel
won't learn things like what verbs are. >>
Forget "papers" until he has something to write about, but for verbs, Mad
Libs. There are lots of sites on line (if you go to google.com and put in
mad libs...)
Sandra
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Linda Greene
Hi Ginny. Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm looking forward to listening, asking and learning! I friend of mine is trying to get me to go to the conference. It may conflict with some of our plans, but I'd like to go if I can.
Linda
(if you find that article, let me know!) ;o)
Linda
(if you find that article, let me know!) ;o)
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From: GDobes@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Introduction...long
In a message dated 08/31/2002 10:58:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lhgreene2000@... writes:
> Hi. My name is Linda Greene. I just joined unschooling-dotcom yesterday.
> I am very interested in unschooling but am scared to death, mainly because
> my husband is very opposed to it.
Linda,
It is so good to "see" you on this list. The people on this list provide me
with so much insight into unschooling. Be prepared to have your thoughts
challenged. This is good. You may balk at first, but you'll also think about
what is said. Do not be offended. This is an unschooling list, so that is
what the people on this list do.
My husband is second generation German immigrant, and fits many of the
stereotypes of the German people -- discipline, order, black and white
mentality, structure. Luckily, we live far enough away from his family and
been away for enough years that he has mellowed tremendously. Plus he lives
with me, the opposite in many ways.
I recently sent him an article written by Linda Dobson that I found on the
unschooling newsletter. I wish I kept a copy. It was about children learning
on their own schedule. It was short but to the point. He really took it to
heart, and let me know how much respect that he has for how the children are
learning and how I'm allowing them the learn naturally.
Welcome,
I hope you get the support (I know this is not a support group, but you guys
know what I mean) you are looking for. Listen to the veterans. They have so
much to offer. You'll quickly figure out who they are. Also consider
attending the unschooling conference in South Carolina in Oct. I'm trying to
finagle a way to go.
Ginny from Keswick, VA
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Linda Greene
Hi Betsy. I'll pick up The Book of Learning and Forgetting. That sounds interesting. Actually, my husband is very supportive in that he doesn't say much, is very involved with the kids in Scouts and pretty much lets me do what I want. He doesn't ask much, because I don't think he wants to know! I appease him in little ways, too. I am his complete opposite and have been rubbing off on him for years. He's doomed. ;o)
There are also Horribly Geography books, too!!!
Linda Greene
There are also Horribly Geography books, too!!!
Linda Greene
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From: Betsy
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Introduction...long
**My is VERY anal, and
VERY worried about the kids getting a proper education which includes
testing...AAAAHHH! His whole life revolves around order and disipline. **
Maybe Frank Smith's book, The Book of Learning and Forgetting would be
helpful. It makes the case very strongly that drill is not the best way
for children to learn. Even if your husband just read the chapter about
how a scientist named Ebinghaus promoted "rote learning".
A deeper book about undoing the trauma of being raised by Huns is For
Your Own Good, by Alice Miller. I also like Gloria Steinem's book
Revolution from Within, with sections about Germanic parenting practices
destroying self esteem, but that's probably too touchy-feely for your DH.
** I bought almost the entire Horribly
History and Horribly Science series! **
We have most of the Horribly Histories, but I didn't even know there
were Horribly Science books. Thanks for the tip!
Betsy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/31/02 10:11:16 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< A deeper book about undoing the trauma of being raised by Huns is For
Your Own Good, by Alice Miller. >>
This is one of my big life-changers too. And it's not very hard reading,
considering... It's easy to skim and to browse once you're past the
beginning, too.
<< A deeper book about undoing the trauma of being raised by Huns is For
Your Own Good, by Alice Miller. >>
This is one of my big life-changers too. And it's not very hard reading,
considering... It's easy to skim and to browse once you're past the
beginning, too.
Shyrley
On 31 Aug 02, at 12:24, Linda Greene wrote:
on the 10th. Room in the van for you n your boys Linda :-)
www.schoolsoutsupport.com I think for the details and hotel
booking.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> Hi Ginny. Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm looking forward to11th October, in Columbia, SC. It's a 500 mile drive so I'm leaving
> listening, asking and learning! I friend of mine is trying to get me
> to go to the conference. It may conflict with some of our plans, but
> I'd like to go if I can.
>
> Linda
on the 10th. Room in the van for you n your boys Linda :-)
www.schoolsoutsupport.com I think for the details and hotel
booking.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Betsy
**Actually, my husband is very supportive in that he doesn't say
much, is very involved with the kids in Scouts and pretty much lets me
do what I want. **
Oh, good. And Scouting is a good example of challenging things that
kids do *voluntarily* that lead to a lot of learning.
Out on the net somewhere, if you want to look, Karl Bunday's School is
Dead Learn in Freedom website has a bunch of great quotes from really
smart people (Nobel Prize winners) about how much they hated school.
(I won't quote them here, that way I skirt around the issue of school-bashing.)
Betsy
much, is very involved with the kids in Scouts and pretty much lets me
do what I want. **
Oh, good. And Scouting is a good example of challenging things that
kids do *voluntarily* that lead to a lot of learning.
Out on the net somewhere, if you want to look, Karl Bunday's School is
Dead Learn in Freedom website has a bunch of great quotes from really
smart people (Nobel Prize winners) about how much they hated school.
(I won't quote them here, that way I skirt around the issue of school-bashing.)
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/31/02 10:50:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
it up the other night and the kids love it! They were singing *I'm just a
bill, sittin' here on Capitol Hill* all day today.
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> <<IAnd get the recently released *School House Rock* on VHS or DVD!!! We picked
> won't learn things like what verbs are. >>
>
> Forget "papers" until he has something to write about, but for verbs, Mad
> Libs. There are lots of sites on line (if you go to google.com and put in
> mad libs...)
>
> Sandra
it up the other night and the kids love it! They were singing *I'm just a
bill, sittin' here on Capitol Hill* all day today.
~Nancy
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Tia Leschke
>For a long time our "curriculum" was scouting and the fall fair. All
>Oh, good. And Scouting is a good example of challenging things that
>kids do *voluntarily* that lead to a lot of learning.
voluntary and covers just about everything, if that's important.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
kayb85
It looks like our "curriculum" is going to be scouting this year
too. I had reservations about the Girl Scout organization, but I
finally decided that it was exactly what dd needs. She is SO
excited. But being a good scout leader takes a lot of work, doesn't
it!
Sheila
too. I had reservations about the Girl Scout organization, but I
finally decided that it was exactly what dd needs. She is SO
excited. But being a good scout leader takes a lot of work, doesn't
it!
Sheila
> For a long time our "curriculum" was scouting and the fall fair.All
> voluntary and covers just about everything, if that's important.
> Tia
Fetteroll
on 8/31/02 11:54 AM, GDobes@... at GDobes@... wrote:
book is in the same vein? -- Joyce
"Your efforts may, at first, seem more like scrap lumber randomly scattered
across the vast universe that is your child rather than a remarkable
structure you watch rise, floor by measurable floor. But the Eiffel Tower
didn't appear overnight, and the most beautiful cathedrals of the world took
decades to complete.
It helps to think of yourself not as "teacher" the way you remember it, but
like the supplier whose purpose is merely making sure the builder - your
child - can get his hands on the necessary materials when he needs them. Be
happy when you make any sale, however modest. The true architect will use
the materials in his own way, in his own time.
Schools force a child into using his limited resources today. "Build a bird
house," they demand, "so that we may count how many sticks you've
collected."
At home there's no need for immediate "proof". Be patient. Don't measure.
Who can say what exquisite masterpiece your child will shape and build from
the scraps tomorrow - or ten years from now? The more he collects, the
greater the structure he's capable of building. And when that structure is
life itself, don't settle for a bird house today. Trust you'll find a castle
tomorrow.
Simply provide the materials."
from The Art of Education
Linda Dobson
> I recently sent him an article written by Linda Dobson that I found on theWas this it? I haven't read the book but maybe others can say whether the
> unschooling newsletter. I wish I kept a copy. It was about children learning
> on their own schedule. It was short but to the point. He really took it to
> heart, and let me know how much respect that he has for how the children are
> learning and how I'm allowing them the learn naturally.
book is in the same vein? -- Joyce
"Your efforts may, at first, seem more like scrap lumber randomly scattered
across the vast universe that is your child rather than a remarkable
structure you watch rise, floor by measurable floor. But the Eiffel Tower
didn't appear overnight, and the most beautiful cathedrals of the world took
decades to complete.
It helps to think of yourself not as "teacher" the way you remember it, but
like the supplier whose purpose is merely making sure the builder - your
child - can get his hands on the necessary materials when he needs them. Be
happy when you make any sale, however modest. The true architect will use
the materials in his own way, in his own time.
Schools force a child into using his limited resources today. "Build a bird
house," they demand, "so that we may count how many sticks you've
collected."
At home there's no need for immediate "proof". Be patient. Don't measure.
Who can say what exquisite masterpiece your child will shape and build from
the scraps tomorrow - or ten years from now? The more he collects, the
greater the structure he's capable of building. And when that structure is
life itself, don't settle for a bird house today. Trust you'll find a castle
tomorrow.
Simply provide the materials."
from The Art of Education
Linda Dobson
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/31/02 11:27:02 PM, sheran@... writes:
<< It looks like our "curriculum" is going to be scouting this year
too. I had reservations about the Girl Scout organization, but I
finally decided that it was exactly what dd needs. She is SO
excited. But being a good scout leader takes a lot of work, doesn't
it! >>
There's a website a family has done which really does expanding scouting into
a curriculum. It's linked from
http://sandradodd.com/unschoolingotherwise
Sandra
<< It looks like our "curriculum" is going to be scouting this year
too. I had reservations about the Girl Scout organization, but I
finally decided that it was exactly what dd needs. She is SO
excited. But being a good scout leader takes a lot of work, doesn't
it! >>
There's a website a family has done which really does expanding scouting into
a curriculum. It's linked from
http://sandradodd.com/unschoolingotherwise
Sandra
Shyrley
On 1 Sep 02, at 5:26, kayb85 wrote:
differing views. She was in cub scouts in the UK which is mixed
boys and girls. She really enjoyed it cos they played rough games
and did 'boy' things.
A few people have told me that she wont fit in to girl scouts cos
she isn't a christian, has long wild hair, is a Tom-boy, wears
combat trousers and hippy clothes and wont say the pledge of
allegiance.
Others have said she'll be fine.
AAaaarrrggghh.
I've left her name with the woman who organises it in this area.
She's trying to get a homeschooling troupe together and doesn't
want daughter to join a regular troupe cos 'they will all know each
other from school and may bully a home-schooler'.
Someone should rename North Virginia ; Stepford....
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> It looks like our "curriculum" is going to be scouting this year too.My daughter (10)has asked to join the girl scouts but I keep getting
> I had reservations about the Girl Scout organization, but I finally
> decided that it was exactly what dd needs. She is SO excited. But
> being a good scout leader takes a lot of work, doesn't it! Sheila
>
>
differing views. She was in cub scouts in the UK which is mixed
boys and girls. She really enjoyed it cos they played rough games
and did 'boy' things.
A few people have told me that she wont fit in to girl scouts cos
she isn't a christian, has long wild hair, is a Tom-boy, wears
combat trousers and hippy clothes and wont say the pledge of
allegiance.
Others have said she'll be fine.
AAaaarrrggghh.
I've left her name with the woman who organises it in this area.
She's trying to get a homeschooling troupe together and doesn't
want daughter to join a regular troupe cos 'they will all know each
other from school and may bully a home-schooler'.
Someone should rename North Virginia ; Stepford....
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Leslie Avery
My daughter was in scouting for four years. It is not
a religious organization unless you live in a highly
religious area. When we moved to a new state with a
new troop who hadn't known my daughter for as long as
the other troop did they did ostresize her because she
was a homeschooler. So we dropped out, I also had a
problem with the cookie sales thing. It was very high
pressured if you didn't sell as much as 120 boxes,
well we didn't know that many people. Now we have
moved again and are going to try a homeschooling 4-H.
Leslie
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a religious organization unless you live in a highly
religious area. When we moved to a new state with a
new troop who hadn't known my daughter for as long as
the other troop did they did ostresize her because she
was a homeschooler. So we dropped out, I also had a
problem with the cookie sales thing. It was very high
pressured if you didn't sell as much as 120 boxes,
well we didn't know that many people. Now we have
moved again and are going to try a homeschooling 4-H.
Leslie
--- Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...> wrote:
> On 1 Sep 02, at 5:26, kayb85 wrote:__________________________________________________
>
> > It looks like our "curriculum" is going to be
> scouting this year too.
> > I had reservations about the Girl Scout
> organization, but I finally
> > decided that it was exactly what dd needs. She is
> SO excited. But
> > being a good scout leader takes a lot of work,
> doesn't it! Sheila
> >
> >
>
> My daughter (10)has asked to join the girl scouts
> but I keep getting
> differing views. She was in cub scouts in the UK
> which is mixed
> boys and girls. She really enjoyed it cos they
> played rough games
> and did 'boy' things.
> A few people have told me that she wont fit in to
> girl scouts cos
> she isn't a christian, has long wild hair, is a
> Tom-boy, wears
> combat trousers and hippy clothes and wont say the
> pledge of
> allegiance.
> Others have said she'll be fine.
> AAaaarrrggghh.
> I've left her name with the woman who organises it
> in this area.
> She's trying to get a homeschooling troupe together
> and doesn't
> want daughter to join a regular troupe cos 'they
> will all know each
> other from school and may bully a home-schooler'.
>
> Someone should rename North Virginia ; Stepford....
>
> Shyrley
>
>
> "You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at
> you because you are all the same."
>
>
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Tia Leschke
>It looks like our "curriculum" is going to be scouting this yearProbably. I never did the leader thing. I found that being an "only"
>too. I had reservations about the Girl Scout organization, but I
>finally decided that it was exactly what dd needs. She is SO
>excited. But being a good scout leader takes a lot of work, doesn't
>it!
(older kids gone by then), Lars needed stuff to do that didn't involve
me. (And so did I. Unschooling an only can be pretty intense.) I helped
him with badge work at home and stuff, but I stayed away from the meetings
and camps once he felt comfortable without me there.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
kayb85
Girl scout troops are supposed to accept anybody. That doesn't mean
that everybody follows the girl scout guidelines though. If she came
to our troop, she would be accepted, even though a lot of the girls
in the troop are born again Christians. My daughter and I don't say
the pledge of allegience either. Also, several of the girls in the
troop will be homeschooled. I'm letting the girls decide which
activities they want to do and I have heard some of them talking
already. They are thinking about doing crafts from one of the
American Girls craft books. They also want to go snow tubing and
take skiing lessons.
If you would be willing to sign up as the leader, you could set the
tone of the group. You could make sure that it's a free, everyone is
accepted and the girls decide the activities rather than being
authoritative kind of group.
Sheila
that everybody follows the girl scout guidelines though. If she came
to our troop, she would be accepted, even though a lot of the girls
in the troop are born again Christians. My daughter and I don't say
the pledge of allegience either. Also, several of the girls in the
troop will be homeschooled. I'm letting the girls decide which
activities they want to do and I have heard some of them talking
already. They are thinking about doing crafts from one of the
American Girls craft books. They also want to go snow tubing and
take skiing lessons.
If you would be willing to sign up as the leader, you could set the
tone of the group. You could make sure that it's a free, everyone is
accepted and the girls decide the activities rather than being
authoritative kind of group.
Sheila
> My daughter (10)has asked to join the girl scouts but I keepgetting
> differing views. She was in cub scouts in the UK which is mixed
> boys and girls. She really enjoyed it cos they played rough games
> and did 'boy' things.
> A few people have told me that she wont fit in to girl scouts cos
> she isn't a christian, has long wild hair, is a Tom-boy, wears
> combat trousers and hippy clothes and wont say the pledge of
> allegiance.
> Others have said she'll be fine.
> AAaaarrrggghh.
> I've left her name with the woman who organises it in this area.
> She's trying to get a homeschooling troupe together and doesn't
> want daughter to join a regular troupe cos 'they will all know each
> other from school and may bully a home-schooler'.
>
> Someone should rename North Virginia ; Stepford....
KT
>Look for a Camp Fire Club. www.campfireusa.org Co-ed and diverse.
>
>
>My daughter (10)has asked to join the girl scouts but I keep getting
>differing views. She was in cub scouts in the UK which is mixed
>boys and girls. She really enjoyed it cos they played rough games
>and did 'boy' things.
>
They're also easy to start.
Shameless Tuck
Gerard Westenberg
<<Without his realizing it, he basically unschooled himself as a child....I'm wondering if I should point this out to him.>>.
Couldn't hurt! I would. :-) My dh is very supportive. I chat to hm about our day - giving him some highlights, perhaps a great comment from one of the kids, or tell him about soemthing we did/read or somewhere we went. He doesn't have time to read our hs journal, and this chat gives him a way of seeing what it is we do all day and that the kids are happy and learning. Maybe this sort of oral narration to your dh will help him see the benefits over time...Leonie W.
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Couldn't hurt! I would. :-) My dh is very supportive. I chat to hm about our day - giving him some highlights, perhaps a great comment from one of the kids, or tell him about soemthing we did/read or somewhere we went. He doesn't have time to read our hs journal, and this chat gives him a way of seeing what it is we do all day and that the kids are happy and learning. Maybe this sort of oral narration to your dh will help him see the benefits over time...Leonie W.
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In a message dated 09/01/2002 5:36:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fetteroll@... writes:
newsletter to me. I hope that Linda from VA also reads this. This was a
recommendation for her to help deal with her husband's concerns.
Ginny
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fetteroll@... writes:
>Thanks Joyce; yes, this was the reference. Deborah resent the unschooling
> Was this it? I haven't read the book but maybe others can say whether the
> book is in the same vein? -- Joyce
>
newsletter to me. I hope that Linda from VA also reads this. This was a
recommendation for her to help deal with her husband's concerns.
Ginny
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