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In a message dated 8/27/02 4:51:24 PM Central Daylight Time, PSoroosh@...
writes:


> I wouldn't READ Shakespeare with my kids, though, unless they already loved
> it enough to really want to read it. I'd watch the video Much Ado About
> Nothing with Kenneth Branaugh (my younger kids always just thought that the
> whole thing was because of a "kiss") and I'd read "Tales from Shakespeare"
> by
> the Lambs (maybe before going to see an actual production) and I'd watch
> the
> video of Hamlet with Mel Gibson AND (for those who can handle the sadness)
> the version of Romeo and Juliet with Olivia Hussey -- the Leonardo DiCaprio
> gang version for older kids and West Side Story, too. And - I'd go see
> Macbeth with a kid who likes scary stuff and Comedy of Errors for those who
> like that kind of humor.

I love Shakespeare, I can't stand to read it. I love to see it performed
though. The first time I saw a play, (I was 12) I was hooked. I was visiting
cousins in Dallas, Tx. and my Aunt took us to see A Midsummer's Nights Dream
at the local Shakespeare in the park production. I was so excited, when I
came home, I checked it out at the library. I was so disappointed, I couldn't
read the words, all the stage directions were there... I was miserable, so I
found a copy that didn't have all the directions and still, I didn't *see* in
the book what I saw on stage. I have tried over the years to read Shakespeare
and am always left with this feeling that I am not getting it! Maybe someday
I will find a book on how to read Shakespeare, or someone will show me what I
am missing. Once a boyfriend tried to help me, he told me to read with my
heartbeat... (HUH?) <g>
~Nancy~ the Shakespeare illiterate!


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zenmomma *

>>I'd watch the video Much Ado About Nothing with Kenneth Branaugh (my
>>younger kids always just thought that the whole thing was because of a
>>"kiss") and I'd read "Tales from Shakespeare" by the Lambs (maybe before
>>going to see an actual production) and I'd watch the
video of Hamlet with Mel Gibson AND (for those who can handle the sadness)
the version of Romeo and Juliet with Olivia Hussey -- the Leonardo
DiCapriogang version for older kids and West Side Story, too. And - I'd go
see Macbeth with a kid who likes scary stuff and Comedy of Errors for those
who like that kind of humor.>>

Don't forget the recent movie version of A Midsummer's Night Dream with
Stanley Tucci as Puck. That was my kids' first Shakespeare and they love it.
We also read a couple of fabulous picture books put together by Bruce
Coville. One was Midsummer's Night Dream and the other was Romeo and Juliet.
They're all Shakespeare's words, just abridged and with beautiful
illustrations.

Life is good.
~Mary


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In a message dated 8/27/02 4:53:54 PM, Dnowens@... writes:

<< I love Shakespeare, I can't stand to read it. I love to see it performed
though. >>

Me too.

When I was an English major in college my first Shakespeare test was a big
bomb. A friend made flashcards for me. Still, it wasn't working. I
discovered that the library had plays recorded. They were on record albums,
and you would put in a request, sit at a desk with headphones, and a library
aide would turn the records over.

That was in the days before videotape was common.

So I would read along as Richard Burton and other Shakespearean actors read
the plays, sometimes with sound effects like wind blowing, footsteps, doors
closing... And THEN it made sense.

Nowadays video makes it WONDERFULLY accessible to kids, and unlike going to a
play, paying money and being expected to sit still, they can pause and go
play, come back, play some more, re-wind the good parts...

Sandra


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In a message dated 8/27/02 8:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> Nowadays video makes it WONDERFULLY accessible to kids, and unlike going to
> a
> play, paying money and being expected to sit still, they can pause and go
> play, come back, play some more, re-wind the good parts...
>
> Sandra

Ahh, but can you comprehend Shakespeare *now* when you read it? I still
can't. I can read just about anything, I stumble over Shakespeare. I don't
care how many times I have seen a play, if I go to read it the comprehension
just flies out the little brain. I wonder if I have put up some psychological
block?
~Nancy


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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:53:35 EDT Dnowens@... writes:
> I have tried over the years to read
> Shakespeare
> and am always left with this feeling that I am not getting it!

We like to read together - you be Oberon and I'll be Titania, and then we
usually end up on our feet.It gives something of the effect, especially
once we've done a scene a few times. Perhaps it helps that we're very
theatrical people... but the words definitely need to be spoken out loud,
reading them in your head doesn't work as well. And seeing them performed
in person or on video is better still...

Rain just appropriated a beautiful copy of Midsummer Night's Dream that I
meant to sell online, oh well <g>.

dar

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In a message dated 8/27/02 10:47:13 PM, Dnowens@... writes:

<< Ahh, but can you comprehend Shakespeare *now* when you read it? I still
can't. >>

No, I don't even try.

I can look something up for clarification, or follow along, but if I get to
reading I miss the cues about who's in the room, who's talking AND there are
few to no clues in the text about how or why things are as they are. Much of
the staging is traditional, passed from performance to performance, performer
to performer. It's discussed in college literature classes, and nowadays you
can read such stuff on the internet, but Shakespeare just in black and white
in a book is not just like a dead bug on a pin for me, but like a really old,
dried out dead bug.

And before someone says I just need to understand it better, I think I DO.
The language doesn't scare me, as I learned to read from the King James Bible
way more than from Dick&Jane stuff, and I took not the required one, but
three Shakespeare classes in college and a 17th century literature class so
I'd know who the heck Marlowe and Jonson were. But reading them out of the
book is drudgery and like reading through mud for me.

Watching live performances or video, though, THAT is clear life.

Sandra

Kelli Traaseth

**He said "Well, it's because they've been exposed
to Shakespeare their whole lives, and nobody's told them it's supposed to be
hard." **


Cool post Sandra.

I love Shakespeare, also studied Shakeskpeare and have an English degree,,blah, blah, blah,<g> anyway,

We have been watching different Shakespeare movies also, with my 8 year old daughter. She loves them. Much Ado About Nothing, Romeo and Juliet, a bit of Henry V (a bit slow for her) Shakepeare In Love...

Some people have been quite surprised that a kid would enjoy it, and I respond, " but some of them are funny! And most are really interesting!" They usually look at me like I'm insane or something.

A few weeks ago we went to Twelfth Night, me, my dd(8) and my dd(6). It was a really good performance, really fun. Abbi (8) liked it so much she went again with her dad, Kyra(6) fell asleep during the second half, but enjoyed what she saw.
The following week I was talking with a regular in the theater circles and saying that we had gone to the play. She gets all excited, "Oh, oh, you must have been the one with the two little girls! Joe(an actor) saw kids in the audience and couldn't believe it. And then he thought he saw them again!" "Yep" I said.

Joe couldn't believe that a child would actually enjoy Shakespeare! I kept on saying that there is alot of humor and fast paced action for them.

We're trying to get the playhouse to do a Shakepeare play with kids, but this Joe is the person who would direct and he doesn't think kids would get into it. Everytime I see him I say, when are we going to do it, huh? huh? Trying to convince him that with the right explanation and attention, most people can enjoy Shakespeare!


On the same vein, I'm excited because I just picked up Midsummer Night's Dream on dvd for $5.99! We'll be watching it on the way to Columbia!

Kelli~ on her way towards SC tomorrow!





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In a message dated 8/14/03 12:13:30 PM, tktraas@... writes:

<< Joe couldn't believe that a child would actually enjoy Shakespeare! I
kept on saying that there is alot of humor and fast paced action for them. >>

Holly and neighbor girl when they were five and six sat down to watch part of
Twelfth Night with me once when I was sewing, and had set up in front of the
TV to watch that. I wound it back so they could see the shipwreck, and I was
telling them what was happening. I figured they'd say "Okay, see ya" in a
bit, but they stayed for MOST of it!

I was surprised.

When we first got Romeo+Juliet, the recent one with Leonardo di Caprio, Kirby
was 12, I think, and watched it all the way through. I had suggested a break
until the next day, but without even looking at me he said, "NO, leave it
on." He wanted to see the rest. And that one is a long version, too.

We have Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, which is WONDERFUL, but not
readily available, and not yet on DVD. That has been fantastic for kids here.
It's not Shakespeare, and yet it totally is. (It's by the same guy who
wrote Shakespeare in Love.)

<<We're trying to get the playhouse to do a Shakepeare play with kids, but
this Joe is the person who would direct and he doesn't think kids would get
into it. Everytime I see him I say, when are we going to do it, huh? huh?
Trying to convince him that with the right explanation and attention, most
people can enjoy Shakespeare!>>

Pam Sorooshian's younger two are in a Shakespeare play right now, and have
been in and around others.

<<On the same vein, I'm excited because I just picked up Midsummer Night's
Dream on dvd for $5.99! We'll be watching it on the way to Columbia!>>

THE NEW ONE!? Kevin Kline?
If so: SAM ROCKWELL.
Cool.

Where did you find it that cheap? I only have that on video, and we're
wearing out the play-within-a-play part.

Sandra

Kelli Traaseth

----- Original Message -----
From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]

**THE NEW ONE!? Kevin Kline?
If so: SAM ROCKWELL.
Cool.**
Yep! Rupert Everett!


**Where did you find it that cheap? I only have that on video, and we're
wearing out the play-within-a-play part.**

If you can believe it, Target! I was so excited!


I have not seen Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, cannot find it, but I'm not on Netflix. Dang, another reason I should subscribe! It sounds really good, and we loved Shakespeare in Love.

Kelli~







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zanhawk

----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
> When we first got Romeo+Juliet, the recent one with Leonardo di Caprio,
Kirby
> was 12, I think, and watched it all the way through. I had suggested a
break
> until the next day, but without even looking at me he said, "NO, leave it
> on." He wanted to see the rest. And that one is a long version, too.

I really loved this movie. It healed alot of my PS (12th grade English)
wounds about Shakespeare. I still watch it when I am in the mood. My
daughter (12) has watched it more than once with me, she enjoys it almost as
much as I do. She has even recommended it to her friends. My 9yo son likes
parts of it, like the gun fight in the beginning. He likes "fighting with
style". He is always trying out new "moves"...."Hey Mom!, check out my new
moves"....very entertaining!

Jamie

Betsy

**I have not seen Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, cannot find
it, but I'm not on Netflix. Dang, another reason I should subscribe!**

No, Netflix doesn't have it, or didn't when I looked. I think as Sandra
has mentioned that it wasn't even released on DVD. I was able to borrow
a copy from my library system, which sucked it in from another branch.

Betsy

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In a message dated 8/14/03 1:03:15 PM, tktraas@... writes:

<< I have not seen Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, cannot find it,
but I'm not on Netflix. >>

It's not there. Videos, used, that's your only hope. Maybe renting it from
a video store that doesn't sell or dump everything old.


Sandra

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In a message dated 8/14/2003 6:18:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> It's not there. Videos, used, that's your only hope. Maybe renting it
> from
> a video store that doesn't sell or dump everything old.
>

There are 9 of them listed on Ebay right now; 8 DVD's and one video. DVD's
are around 20.00 or so and the tape is at 4.50 :o)

Nancy B. in WV


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In a message dated 8/14/03 5:02:11 PM, CelticFrau@... writes:

<< There are 9 of them listed on Ebay right now; 8 DVD's and one video.
DVD's
are around 20.00 or so and the tape is at 4.50 :o) >>

WELL!

-=-
All region - playable on any DVD players.
In English with removable English & Korean subtitles. -=-

An all-region with Korean subtitles?

Methinks this is not an aboveboard production!

Yet... the people who own it should have put it out. There must be some
legal wrangling somewhere. I've heard Disney owns it, and that can be bad news as
to scheduled releases. And they might not still own it, who knows.

Very interesting. Thanks!


El Cid, which I would also love to see on DVD, was released in Europe some
years back, and it sold out and went out of print. But it only shows on
European DVD player settings.

If those are bootlegs, I don't guess Netflix will be able to rent them; I
don't know.

Amazon still says this:

  Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (1991)


Availability: NOT YET RELEASED: The studio is currently not producing this
title on DVD, but to be notified when it is available, enter your e-mail address
at right. You'll also be voting for this release; we'll let the studio know
how many customers are waiting for this title.



Sandra

Lillian Haas

Amazon.co.uk also has Rosencrantz and Guildenster on DVD, coded for Region 0
and so able to be played in the US, as long as your DVD player and TV will
both play PAL format (it seems that newer ones do, but I can't swear to
that). Even with shipping, it's less than $30.

Lillian

Kelli Traaseth

----- Original Message -----
From: Betsy

**No, Netflix doesn't have it, or didn't when I looked.**

Ahhh, OK.

I'll have to look around for it. Thanks

Kelli~


To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] Shakespeare




**I have not seen Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, cannot find
it, but I'm not on Netflix. Dang, another reason I should subscribe!**

No, Netflix doesn't have it, or didn't when I looked. I think as Sandra
has mentioned that it wasn't even released on DVD. I was able to borrow
a copy from my library system, which sucked it in from another branch.

Betsy


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----- Original Message -----
From: CelticFrau@...

**There are 9 of them listed on Ebay right now; 8 DVD's and one video. DVD's
are around 20.00 or so and the tape is at 4.50 :o)**
Thanks, Nancy, I'll have to check after we get home from the conference.

Kelli~




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In a message dated 8/14/2003 6:18:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> It's not there. Videos, used, that's your only hope. Maybe renting it
> from
> a video store that doesn't sell or dump everything old.
>

Nancy B. in WV


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In a message dated 8/14/2003 7:38:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> All region - playable on any DVD players.
> In English with removable English &Korean subtitles. -=-
>
> An all-region with Korean subtitles?
>
> Methinks this is not an aboveboard production!
>

Probably not! I remember when "The Lion King" came out, it was possibe to
get bootleg copies. The bootleggers would go into the theater, with a hidden
video camera, and tape the movie, then sell the copies. Can you imagine the
quality? LOL!

Still, if it is as good as everyone says...maybe the end will justify the
means??.....I guess it's up to the individual.

Nancy B. in WV


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In a message dated 8/14/03 9:37:40 PM, CelticFrau@... writes:

<<
Still, if it is as good as everyone says...maybe the end will justify the
means??.....I guess it's up to the individual. >>

Yeah, and I might get one too (though our video is still in fair shape), but
what I REALLY want is a full-blown DVD with special everything, commentary
tracks, bios...

Sandra

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Fetteroll

on 8/14/03 11:37 PM, CelticFrau@... at CelticFrau@... wrote:

> The bootleggers would go into the theater, with a hidden
> video camera, and tape the movie, then sell the copies. Can you imagine the
> quality? LOL!

You can download not yet released movies from the internet. Someone my
husband works with did that and handed out copies. The quality was lousy. It
was well worth waiting until pristine copies came out.

But bootlegs of existing movies are good because DVD burners are relatively
cheap. We inadvertently bought a bootleg of a Japanese kids show. The
subtitles were, um, interesting but the picture and sound quality were
excellent.

Joyce

enchanted dreams

Is the Complete Works DVD the abridged version, and is there any other
version?
Cheryl

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In a message dated 9/27/04 3:07:25 PM, enchanteddreams@... writes:

<< Is the Complete Works DVD the abridged version, and is there any other

version? >>

It's a really wonderful comedy routine by a group called "The Abridged
Shakespeare Company."

You can rent it from Netflix or order it from Amazon.
I would tell you more, but it would spoil the surprises. If you get it,
watch the bonus stuff too.

Sandra

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In a message dated 9/27/2004 5:56:08 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

It's a really wonderful comedy routine by a group called "The Abridged
Shakespeare Company."




~~~

The Reduced Shakespeare Company. :) I heard them on NPR some time ago. I
just put it on my Netfliz queue.

Karen


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Barbara Chase

>It's a really wonderful comedy routine by a group called "The Abridged
>Shakespeare Company."

Years ago I saw a small video (on PBS I think) that was a puppet animation
of Hamlet, I believe. Oh, it was so long ago I don't really remember. I
think the title was "Twelve Minute Shakespeare"; it covered the entire play
in just a few minutes. Talk about abridged! It was hillarious.

Has anyone else ever seen this and know what it's really called or if it's
available anywhere?


--bc--

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In a message dated 9/27/2004 5:10:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:

The Reduced Shakespeare Company. :) I heard them on NPR some time ago. I
just put it on my Netfliz queue.
DOH!

Sorry.

Yeah, I saw them before they parked permanently in London.
I think there's still a travelling group.
Sorry for the error!

Sandra


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pam sorooshian

On Sep 27, 2004, at 5:28 PM, Barbara Chase wrote:

> Years ago I saw a small video (on PBS I think) that was a puppet
> animation
> of Hamlet, I believe. Oh, it was so long ago I don't really remember.
> I
> think the title was "Twelve Minute Shakespeare"; it covered the entire
> play
> in just a few minutes. Talk about abridged! It was hillarious.
>
> Has anyone else ever seen this and know what it's really called or if
> it's
> available anywhere?

No. But we really enjoyed "Shakespeare in a Box" by Carl Martin They
have a couple of them on Amazon. You can have 4 or more actors and a
director and you get all the stuff you need. We did them at
Thanksgiving - with all the cousins and aunts and uncles - some
performing, some being our audience. Takes about 30 minutes to get
ready and then you perform - I can't remember exactly how long the
performance was, it was so much fun, we laughed a lot, it went fast.
You get scripts that are made so that you can utilize different numbers
of actors and instructions how to divide up the parts depending on how
many people you have. You get director notes and each character gets a
set of notes. There are some prop items included and, for others, you
just scrounge from things you have around the house.

-pam
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Cindi

--- In [email protected], pam sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@m...> wrote:
>

>
> No. But we really enjoyed "Shakespeare in a Box" by Carl Martin
They
> have a couple of them on Amazon. You can have 4 or more actors and
a
> director and you get all the stuff you need.

I just read this to Jessica and she wants to get one right away. It
sounds like great fun. Thanks for the idea.

Cindi