how much longer?
achisms5
I usually lurk, but feel compelled to speak up on the "Ned issue".
All of the complaining about the moderators and owners and old timers
being controlling about the purpose of this list bothers me. It
seems to me if the owner/moderator wanted to be controlling they
would have booted Ned off the list a while ago. It seems to me that
they have been very patiently trying to point out to Ned where the
line is and Ned feigns (imo) confusion in order to continue his
rants. He doesn't seem interested in discussion to me, as evidenced
by his total unwillingness and refusal to answer any questions
directed to him by those that disagree or simply ask him to support
an assertion he has made. So my question is, how much longer will
this go on before Ned is booted?
Nobody, that I recall, has ever tried to invalidate Ned's opinions or
ideas, only tell him and tell him and tell him and tell him and tell
him that this is not the place for his rants nor the best place for
them to reach a receptive audience. As many have pointed out, most
on this list have already come to the conclusion that ps is no place
for their child. It seems to me, his posts would be more effective
in forums where people are just considering hsing.
I really enjoy this list and appreciate all the support and advice I
have recieved from you all. I hope as just (mostly) a lurker, I am
not out of line with this post.
Mary
All of the complaining about the moderators and owners and old timers
being controlling about the purpose of this list bothers me. It
seems to me if the owner/moderator wanted to be controlling they
would have booted Ned off the list a while ago. It seems to me that
they have been very patiently trying to point out to Ned where the
line is and Ned feigns (imo) confusion in order to continue his
rants. He doesn't seem interested in discussion to me, as evidenced
by his total unwillingness and refusal to answer any questions
directed to him by those that disagree or simply ask him to support
an assertion he has made. So my question is, how much longer will
this go on before Ned is booted?
Nobody, that I recall, has ever tried to invalidate Ned's opinions or
ideas, only tell him and tell him and tell him and tell him and tell
him that this is not the place for his rants nor the best place for
them to reach a receptive audience. As many have pointed out, most
on this list have already come to the conclusion that ps is no place
for their child. It seems to me, his posts would be more effective
in forums where people are just considering hsing.
I really enjoy this list and appreciate all the support and advice I
have recieved from you all. I hope as just (mostly) a lurker, I am
not out of line with this post.
Mary
[email protected]
I'm another lurker and I completely agree with this post. I loved the analogy
of a list sharing Vegetarian recipes, etc and someone coming on bashing the
meat industry. How about a list for people sharing tips, patterns and ideas
for people making clothes for their family and someone coming on bashing
retail stores, high prices, talking about sweat shops, etc. Or a list for
stay at home moms sharing ideas and support and someone coming on bashing
moms who work outside the home. In every instance, most of the list would
probably agree with the person doing the bashing, but it's not where the
bashing should be done. There are other lists for that purpose.
Sharon
In a message dated 8/27/02 10:37:16 AM, marydan@... writes:
<< I usually lurk, but feel compelled to speak up on the "Ned issue".
All of the complaining about the moderators and owners and old timers
being controlling about the purpose of this list bothers me. It
seems to me if the owner/moderator wanted to be controlling they
would have booted Ned off the list a while ago. It seems to me that
they have been very patiently trying to point out to Ned where the
line is and Ned feigns (imo) confusion in order to continue his
rants. He doesn't seem interested in discussion to me, as evidenced
by his total unwillingness and refusal to answer any questions
directed to him by those that disagree or simply ask him to support
an assertion he has made. So my question is, how much longer will
this go on before Ned is booted?
Nobody, that I recall, has ever tried to invalidate Ned's opinions or
ideas, only tell him and tell him and tell him and tell him and tell
him that this is not the place for his rants nor the best place for
them to reach a receptive audience. As many have pointed out, most
on this list have already come to the conclusion that ps is no place
for their child. It seems to me, his posts would be more effective
in forums where people are just considering hsing.
I really enjoy this list and appreciate all the support and advice I
have recieved from you all. I hope as just (mostly) a lurker, I am
not out of line with this post.
Mary >>
of a list sharing Vegetarian recipes, etc and someone coming on bashing the
meat industry. How about a list for people sharing tips, patterns and ideas
for people making clothes for their family and someone coming on bashing
retail stores, high prices, talking about sweat shops, etc. Or a list for
stay at home moms sharing ideas and support and someone coming on bashing
moms who work outside the home. In every instance, most of the list would
probably agree with the person doing the bashing, but it's not where the
bashing should be done. There are other lists for that purpose.
Sharon
In a message dated 8/27/02 10:37:16 AM, marydan@... writes:
<< I usually lurk, but feel compelled to speak up on the "Ned issue".
All of the complaining about the moderators and owners and old timers
being controlling about the purpose of this list bothers me. It
seems to me if the owner/moderator wanted to be controlling they
would have booted Ned off the list a while ago. It seems to me that
they have been very patiently trying to point out to Ned where the
line is and Ned feigns (imo) confusion in order to continue his
rants. He doesn't seem interested in discussion to me, as evidenced
by his total unwillingness and refusal to answer any questions
directed to him by those that disagree or simply ask him to support
an assertion he has made. So my question is, how much longer will
this go on before Ned is booted?
Nobody, that I recall, has ever tried to invalidate Ned's opinions or
ideas, only tell him and tell him and tell him and tell him and tell
him that this is not the place for his rants nor the best place for
them to reach a receptive audience. As many have pointed out, most
on this list have already come to the conclusion that ps is no place
for their child. It seems to me, his posts would be more effective
in forums where people are just considering hsing.
I really enjoy this list and appreciate all the support and advice I
have recieved from you all. I hope as just (mostly) a lurker, I am
not out of line with this post.
Mary >>
Stephanie Elms
OK...I think that it is obvious that there are some on this list who like
to listen to ned's points of view and some who do not and who (desperately)
want the list to go back to the way it was before. We could keep going
back and forth endlessly and never get back to talking about unschooling.
Why can't Ned start his *own* unschooling list that would be open to whatever
discussions he wants and anyone on this list could go join it? That would
leave those of us who are tired of it to continue with this list and it's
initial purpose (as stated by the list owner and the old-timers). It is
incredibly easy to start a new list. This is what we did on our local
hsing list when debates started taking over the list...
an off-topic list was created that everyone was welcome to join but those
who were not interested did not have to get bogged down on the main list.
Please Ned...start your own list...those who are open to your message and ideas
will follow. Those of us who are not interested are not going to be swayed by
your posting here....
And to the person who asked...if given the choice between the old-timers and Ned
and Bob I would take Sandra, Joyce, Mary, Elissa, Ren, Pam and the like any day!
JMNSHO
Stephanie in Virginia
to listen to ned's points of view and some who do not and who (desperately)
want the list to go back to the way it was before. We could keep going
back and forth endlessly and never get back to talking about unschooling.
Why can't Ned start his *own* unschooling list that would be open to whatever
discussions he wants and anyone on this list could go join it? That would
leave those of us who are tired of it to continue with this list and it's
initial purpose (as stated by the list owner and the old-timers). It is
incredibly easy to start a new list. This is what we did on our local
hsing list when debates started taking over the list...
an off-topic list was created that everyone was welcome to join but those
who were not interested did not have to get bogged down on the main list.
Please Ned...start your own list...those who are open to your message and ideas
will follow. Those of us who are not interested are not going to be swayed by
your posting here....
And to the person who asked...if given the choice between the old-timers and Ned
and Bob I would take Sandra, Joyce, Mary, Elissa, Ren, Pam and the like any day!
JMNSHO
Stephanie in Virginia
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/27/02 8:37:17 AM, marydan@... writes:
<< It seems to me that
they have been very patiently trying to point out to Ned where the
line is and Ned feigns (imo) confusion in order to continue his
rants. >>
Either he's feigning confusion (which does seem often to be true--he's
playing lawyer with words to slip through cracks), or he's just missing a lot
of interpersonal and intrapersonal skills which others on the list have.
Many times those without those skills just deny they exist rather than
acknowledge that someone else has a perception they lack. I have some
"textbook bright" friends (big on reading and math and logic) who don't at
all understand sports (why anyone would participate or watch), have no
interest in dance or art (because they say "anyone can do that," although
they never try), and will deny that someone can tell if another person is
being honest, or is sad, or is gloating, just by their posture and the look
in their eyes and the tone of their voice. They go ONLY by the words spoken,
oblivious of the hundreds of other behavioral communications. And because
they can't see it they deny that others can either.
Sometimes the discussions here seem as divided along those lines as if we
were discussing football and those who think football is an expensive,
dangerous, stupid waste of time were trying to keep the list from discussing
it all.
Sandra
<< It seems to me that
they have been very patiently trying to point out to Ned where the
line is and Ned feigns (imo) confusion in order to continue his
rants. >>
Either he's feigning confusion (which does seem often to be true--he's
playing lawyer with words to slip through cracks), or he's just missing a lot
of interpersonal and intrapersonal skills which others on the list have.
Many times those without those skills just deny they exist rather than
acknowledge that someone else has a perception they lack. I have some
"textbook bright" friends (big on reading and math and logic) who don't at
all understand sports (why anyone would participate or watch), have no
interest in dance or art (because they say "anyone can do that," although
they never try), and will deny that someone can tell if another person is
being honest, or is sad, or is gloating, just by their posture and the look
in their eyes and the tone of their voice. They go ONLY by the words spoken,
oblivious of the hundreds of other behavioral communications. And because
they can't see it they deny that others can either.
Sometimes the discussions here seem as divided along those lines as if we
were discussing football and those who think football is an expensive,
dangerous, stupid waste of time were trying to keep the list from discussing
it all.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/27/02 9:42:17 AM, stephanie.elms@...
writes:
<< Why can't Ned start his *own* unschooling list that would be open to
whatever
discussions he wants and anyone on this list could go join it? >>
Or someone else here who claims to love Ned's input could start a "Let's All
Love Ned's Input" list.
I don't think they would get 850 members, but it shouldn't matter. Five or
ten would be plenty, wouldn't it?
Unless Ned just wants this as a platform without regard for the feelings of
those who BUILT the platform.
Sandra
writes:
<< Why can't Ned start his *own* unschooling list that would be open to
whatever
discussions he wants and anyone on this list could go join it? >>
Or someone else here who claims to love Ned's input could start a "Let's All
Love Ned's Input" list.
I don't think they would get 850 members, but it shouldn't matter. Five or
ten would be plenty, wouldn't it?
Unless Ned just wants this as a platform without regard for the feelings of
those who BUILT the platform.
Sandra
Fetteroll
on 8/27/02 11:41 AM, Stephanie Elms at stephanie.elms@...
wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Politics_and_Unschooling
To join address an email to
[email protected]
Send posts to the list at:
[email protected]
I will *gladly* turn over ownership to anyone who wants it. (I don't want
it! But I had to give it someone's name.) Just ask and I'll happily figure
out how to do that.
Joyce
wrote:
> Why can't Ned start his *own* unschooling list that would be open to whateverHere anyone goes:
> discussions he wants and anyone on this list could go join it?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Politics_and_Unschooling
To join address an email to
[email protected]
Send posts to the list at:
[email protected]
I will *gladly* turn over ownership to anyone who wants it. (I don't want
it! But I had to give it someone's name.) Just ask and I'll happily figure
out how to do that.
Joyce