Re:2287 - What is Unschooling?
Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
on 8/26/02 2:22 AM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
games, etc., pertain to unschooling, instead of simply parenting? People
whose children attend schools talk about those things, too. So how do those
topics relate specifically to unschooling? How are the people on this list
different from people who send their kids to school?
A month ago, for example, when I was new here, I listened to perhaps twenty
days of back and forth from several women about one's relationship (years
before) with a rock musician named Winger. During those (slow) times, I
often wondered how that conversation related to the list even as it took so
much space. I concluded that since no one could really address unschooling
itself, that anything goes, even old boyfriends and if they were good
kissers. No one even complained that those posts interrupted any of the
other threads, and no one seemed to care that the subject was far OT.
Since then, there have been many similar irrelevant conversations, so I
believe our list needs either to decide what kinds of things are relevant,
since there is so much dissonance, rudeness, even contempt. I have asked
that the managers try to make our purpose clear by giving examples of
....Talk about Unschooling. Is that so difficult?
Ned Vare
[email protected] wrote:
>Exactly. My point is this: How does talking about movies or computer
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:44:45 +0930
> From: "Gerard Westenberg" <westen@...>
> Subject: Re: What is UNschooling ?
>
> <When was the last time anyone posted something here that was actually about
> UNschooling? >
>
> Goodness - I'm relatively new but I've posted about movies, computer games and
> ensuing discussions in our family, dinosaurs crazes, playing cards with my
> kids, reading pirate related books - all part of our life and unschooling. I
> thought I was ON topic...Leonie
games, etc., pertain to unschooling, instead of simply parenting? People
whose children attend schools talk about those things, too. So how do those
topics relate specifically to unschooling? How are the people on this list
different from people who send their kids to school?
A month ago, for example, when I was new here, I listened to perhaps twenty
days of back and forth from several women about one's relationship (years
before) with a rock musician named Winger. During those (slow) times, I
often wondered how that conversation related to the list even as it took so
much space. I concluded that since no one could really address unschooling
itself, that anything goes, even old boyfriends and if they were good
kissers. No one even complained that those posts interrupted any of the
other threads, and no one seemed to care that the subject was far OT.
Since then, there have been many similar irrelevant conversations, so I
believe our list needs either to decide what kinds of things are relevant,
since there is so much dissonance, rudeness, even contempt. I have asked
that the managers try to make our purpose clear by giving examples of
....Talk about Unschooling. Is that so difficult?
Ned Vare
[email protected]
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:40:58 -0400 Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
<nedvare@...> writes:
People on this list are different because they don't send their kids to
school. The kids on this list are different because they don't go to
school. That's all. I think that's enough - the whole dynamics of
parenting and learning change when school isn't involved. I'm sure there
are parents who send their kids to school and still do some of the same
things we do (although they do them after 3:30 and on weekends) but I
think the *people* doing them become different without school in the
background.
Dar
<nedvare@...> writes:
> My point is this: How does talking about movies or computerPeople
> games, etc., pertain to unschooling, instead of simply parenting?
> whose children attend schools talk about those things, too. So howon
> do those topics relate specifically to unschooling? How are the people
> this list different from people who send their kids to school?Ah. This explains a lot of Ned's problems here, methinks.
>
People on this list are different because they don't send their kids to
school. The kids on this list are different because they don't go to
school. That's all. I think that's enough - the whole dynamics of
parenting and learning change when school isn't involved. I'm sure there
are parents who send their kids to school and still do some of the same
things we do (although they do them after 3:30 and on weekends) but I
think the *people* doing them become different without school in the
background.
Dar
[email protected]
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:17:03 -0700 freeform@... writes:
There's just no school involved, at home or somewhere else.
Dar, off to sleep off the allergy pills
> People on this list are different because they don't send their kidsto
> school. The kids on this list are different because they don't goI'm really tired. I should have left out the sending and going parts.
> to school.
There's just no school involved, at home or somewhere else.
Dar, off to sleep off the allergy pills
Gerard Westenberg
<So how do those
topics relate specifically to unschooling? How are the people on this list
different from people who send their kids to school?>
In the quantity and,perhaps, quality of our interactions...In how we see them as education and learning in addition to entertainment..In that kids don't watch movies or play games with their parents after schoolwork but in place of schoolwork, and use life as learning...Leonie W.
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topics relate specifically to unschooling? How are the people on this list
different from people who send their kids to school?>
In the quantity and,perhaps, quality of our interactions...In how we see them as education and learning in addition to entertainment..In that kids don't watch movies or play games with their parents after schoolwork but in place of schoolwork, and use life as learning...Leonie W.
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Fetteroll
on 8/27/02 2:40 AM, Luz Shosie and Ned Vare at nedvare@... wrote:
you haven't heard the answer you're looking for. It's been answered many
times.
This list is about parenting.
It's about therapy.
It's about helping children learn.
It's about moving on from school.
It's newbies asking questions and getting answers or help in figuring out
their own answers.
It's about letting go of schoolish ways and what we can do instead.
It's about talking about our days.
It's about talking about the personal problems we're having.
It's about talking about the legal problems we're having.
It's about pointing people to better resources where they can get help with
their too-specific-for-this-list questions.
There's more too. You can check the archives and add to the list.
Like natural learning, it can't be broken down into subjects. It may cover
the full gamut of the world.
I suspect you're looking for rules so you can tell us how your rantings
about the government and schools fits in. But it suggests right there in the
intro to this list that people might find it helpful to spend a couple of
weeks getting the feel of the list. Apparently you didn't like the feel of
it, don't understand it and feel it isn't serving whatever purpose you think
it should serve.
It was doing fabulously before you came along to try to fix what wasn't
broken.
Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator
> I have askedIf feel you haven't gotten this question answered, then perhaps it's because
> that the managers try to make our purpose clear by giving examples of
> ....Talk about Unschooling. Is that so difficult?
you haven't heard the answer you're looking for. It's been answered many
times.
This list is about parenting.
It's about therapy.
It's about helping children learn.
It's about moving on from school.
It's newbies asking questions and getting answers or help in figuring out
their own answers.
It's about letting go of schoolish ways and what we can do instead.
It's about talking about our days.
It's about talking about the personal problems we're having.
It's about talking about the legal problems we're having.
It's about pointing people to better resources where they can get help with
their too-specific-for-this-list questions.
There's more too. You can check the archives and add to the list.
Like natural learning, it can't be broken down into subjects. It may cover
the full gamut of the world.
I suspect you're looking for rules so you can tell us how your rantings
about the government and schools fits in. But it suggests right there in the
intro to this list that people might find it helpful to spend a couple of
weeks getting the feel of the list. Apparently you didn't like the feel of
it, don't understand it and feel it isn't serving whatever purpose you think
it should serve.
It was doing fabulously before you came along to try to fix what wasn't
broken.
Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator
Bill and Diane
>It is difficult to listen when you are talking. You may want to remain
>
>Exactly. My point is this: How does talking about movies or computer
>games, etc., pertain to unschooling, instead of simply parenting? People
>whose children attend schools talk about those things, too. So how do those
>topics relate specifically to unschooling? How are the people on this list
>different from people who send their kids to school?
>
quiet for a period of time and meditate on this question. Read what
really does happen on this list until you can discern the pattern.
:-) Diane