Testing in Arkansas- Answering your questions
meirons
First of all I feel as though got slammed the very moment I
opened my mouth here. You have no idea how I taught or helped to
educate or how I lent a hand in my childrens learning or how it's
going now.
Yes for pete's sake I did teach my kids to read and you know what
they wanted to. HA! No tears no screaming no hair pulling just fun.
It's called spending time with your kids. As for how I taught my
kids to read here's the secret.... I read and read and read and read
and read and read and so on to them from the time they were babies.
Guess what I also did, I made it fun! I made and the characters have
voices and I gave each noise and funny sound. It's not hard to
interest and child into reading if you make it fun and not boring.
After my kids were about 3-4 years of age they wanted to be
included in the fun and wanted to know how I did it. So I told them
the marks on the page are letters and these letters make sounds and
these sounds make words and all of these words make stories. So
that's it.
So what! My kids begged to read and they read like no ones
bussiness. My 2 oldest daughters will read and reread a book until
they the book falls apart. My 10 yr. daughter begs to go to the
library. So you tell me once again what I did that was so wrong.
About the testing in my state... The superintedent does know where
I live she knows the ages & names of my kids and they do keep track
of what grade your child was in. If your child in my state repeats a
grade more than once you will be questioned. No child in Arknasas
can ever be in a grade higher than 2 years beyound the grade that
they are suposed to be by their age.
As for skipping the test. NO WAY! I will not do that because I
will not take a chance on loosing my kids to the system that I have
fought for years. I don't like the idea of them testing and each
year it makes me cringe every time it is time for them to test. But
there is no way I will not submit to the law because it's the law
that will take my kids if I don't.
Maybe you all don't live in this state or maybe you haven't been
caught up with and are skipping these testing but the fact is I will
have to let them test my kids. If my daughter wants to take the test
that's her bussiness I wont be in there to have a say either way. If
she just sits there and makes a pretty picture that will be her call
not mine. But to talk to my child for 5 minutes you will be able to
tell she knows who she is and what she thinks about this world at
such a young age she a very smart person smarter than mot adults
with a higher education.
As for me teaching or helping my kids to read. Yep I did it! And
you know what I have helped others too learn to read. Reading is a
key that every child should get and calling unschooling because you
are not teaching your children to read at what ever age is no one's
business but yours or is it. It's not my right to question you
because your child is different than mine or your parenting
standards are different than mine. I frankly don't care if you sit
on the couch all day and watch TV, its your business not mine. My
only thought is what about the kids. I frankly want to give my
children everything and the keys are in our hands as thier parents
whether we are thier teachers, parents, or what ever you call your
self.
Marla
opened my mouth here. You have no idea how I taught or helped to
educate or how I lent a hand in my childrens learning or how it's
going now.
Yes for pete's sake I did teach my kids to read and you know what
they wanted to. HA! No tears no screaming no hair pulling just fun.
It's called spending time with your kids. As for how I taught my
kids to read here's the secret.... I read and read and read and read
and read and read and so on to them from the time they were babies.
Guess what I also did, I made it fun! I made and the characters have
voices and I gave each noise and funny sound. It's not hard to
interest and child into reading if you make it fun and not boring.
After my kids were about 3-4 years of age they wanted to be
included in the fun and wanted to know how I did it. So I told them
the marks on the page are letters and these letters make sounds and
these sounds make words and all of these words make stories. So
that's it.
So what! My kids begged to read and they read like no ones
bussiness. My 2 oldest daughters will read and reread a book until
they the book falls apart. My 10 yr. daughter begs to go to the
library. So you tell me once again what I did that was so wrong.
About the testing in my state... The superintedent does know where
I live she knows the ages & names of my kids and they do keep track
of what grade your child was in. If your child in my state repeats a
grade more than once you will be questioned. No child in Arknasas
can ever be in a grade higher than 2 years beyound the grade that
they are suposed to be by their age.
As for skipping the test. NO WAY! I will not do that because I
will not take a chance on loosing my kids to the system that I have
fought for years. I don't like the idea of them testing and each
year it makes me cringe every time it is time for them to test. But
there is no way I will not submit to the law because it's the law
that will take my kids if I don't.
Maybe you all don't live in this state or maybe you haven't been
caught up with and are skipping these testing but the fact is I will
have to let them test my kids. If my daughter wants to take the test
that's her bussiness I wont be in there to have a say either way. If
she just sits there and makes a pretty picture that will be her call
not mine. But to talk to my child for 5 minutes you will be able to
tell she knows who she is and what she thinks about this world at
such a young age she a very smart person smarter than mot adults
with a higher education.
As for me teaching or helping my kids to read. Yep I did it! And
you know what I have helped others too learn to read. Reading is a
key that every child should get and calling unschooling because you
are not teaching your children to read at what ever age is no one's
business but yours or is it. It's not my right to question you
because your child is different than mine or your parenting
standards are different than mine. I frankly don't care if you sit
on the couch all day and watch TV, its your business not mine. My
only thought is what about the kids. I frankly want to give my
children everything and the keys are in our hands as thier parents
whether we are thier teachers, parents, or what ever you call your
self.
Marla
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/02 11:54:21 PM, meirons@... writes:
<< It's not hard to
interest and child into reading if you make it fun and not boring. >>
No one said different.
<< So what! My kids begged to read and they read like no ones
bussiness. My 2 oldest daughters will read and reread a book until
they the book falls apart. My 10 yr. daughter begs to go to the
library. So you tell me once again what I did that was so wrong.>>
No one said that either.
The point I was trying to make is that no child can read before he or she is
able to read. Many children cannot read as early as yours did. Yours
couldn't have learned that early had they been kids who needed more years to
mature to that point.
On an unschooling list, pressing the idea that you taught your children to
read "early" is not the norm.
<< You have no idea how I taught or helped to
educate or how I lent a hand in my childrens learning or how it's
going now. >>
Right. That's why I asked if you were now unschooling. Because what you
described wasn't unschooling. But you did post on an unschooling list.
<<No tears no screaming no hair pulling just fun.
It's called spending time with your kids.>>
There seems to be a suggestion here that you think I or someone isn't
spending time with kids? Maybe you didn't mean that. There aren't tears or
screaming or hair pulling going on at any unschoolers' houses I know of.
<<No child in Arknasas
can ever be in a grade higher than 2 years beyound the grade that
they are suposed to be by their age.>>
Not in school, because of perceived legal liabilities of having adolescents
with pre-adolescents. That principle is common to many (maybe now all)
states.
< Reading is a
key that every child should get and calling unschooling because you
are not teaching your children to read at what ever age is no one's
business but yours or is it. >>
Well...
On an unschooling list where people voluntarily come to discuss unschooling,
it would quickly turn entirely non-productive if some or all of us started
saying "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS" if others asked how our children learned this
or that. Sharing doesn't go far in the face of refusal to share.
<<It's not my right to question you
because your child is different than mine or your parenting
standards are different than mine. I frankly don't care if you sit
on the couch all day and watch TV, its your business not mine. >>
Are you on this list accidently? Do you think there are parents here sitting
on the couch all day watching TV?
Sandra
<< It's not hard to
interest and child into reading if you make it fun and not boring. >>
No one said different.
<< So what! My kids begged to read and they read like no ones
bussiness. My 2 oldest daughters will read and reread a book until
they the book falls apart. My 10 yr. daughter begs to go to the
library. So you tell me once again what I did that was so wrong.>>
No one said that either.
The point I was trying to make is that no child can read before he or she is
able to read. Many children cannot read as early as yours did. Yours
couldn't have learned that early had they been kids who needed more years to
mature to that point.
On an unschooling list, pressing the idea that you taught your children to
read "early" is not the norm.
<< You have no idea how I taught or helped to
educate or how I lent a hand in my childrens learning or how it's
going now. >>
Right. That's why I asked if you were now unschooling. Because what you
described wasn't unschooling. But you did post on an unschooling list.
<<No tears no screaming no hair pulling just fun.
It's called spending time with your kids.>>
There seems to be a suggestion here that you think I or someone isn't
spending time with kids? Maybe you didn't mean that. There aren't tears or
screaming or hair pulling going on at any unschoolers' houses I know of.
<<No child in Arknasas
can ever be in a grade higher than 2 years beyound the grade that
they are suposed to be by their age.>>
Not in school, because of perceived legal liabilities of having adolescents
with pre-adolescents. That principle is common to many (maybe now all)
states.
< Reading is a
key that every child should get and calling unschooling because you
are not teaching your children to read at what ever age is no one's
business but yours or is it. >>
Well...
On an unschooling list where people voluntarily come to discuss unschooling,
it would quickly turn entirely non-productive if some or all of us started
saying "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS" if others asked how our children learned this
or that. Sharing doesn't go far in the face of refusal to share.
<<It's not my right to question you
because your child is different than mine or your parenting
standards are different than mine. I frankly don't care if you sit
on the couch all day and watch TV, its your business not mine. >>
Are you on this list accidently? Do you think there are parents here sitting
on the couch all day watching TV?
Sandra
zandaniel
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
day watching TV'. Actually, it was videos. We snuggled up with a
heap of doonas, hot chocolate and junk food while the wind and rain
tried to blow down this little piggys house (it's winter here in Oz).
Bad, bad, bad mother (g)
Joz
>Do you think there are parents here sitting
> on the couch all day watching TV?oops ....... just the other day my kids and I sat 'on the couch all
> Sandra
day watching TV'. Actually, it was videos. We snuggled up with a
heap of doonas, hot chocolate and junk food while the wind and rain
tried to blow down this little piggys house (it's winter here in Oz).
Bad, bad, bad mother (g)
Joz
Fetteroll
Fetteroll
on 8/21/02 1:53 AM, meirons at meirons@... wrote:
to read.
It's a *really* important thing for anyone trying to unschool to understand
that learning to read isn't a matter of what we as parents do. It's a matter
of what *the kids* are ready for. (Though an environment where reading is
fun and useful and accessible to the child does need to be there.)
If a child has an environment that encourages it, some will walk at 9 mos.
But no amount of encouragement will make a child who won't walk until 18 mos
walk earlier. (And if it did push it ahead, what would be the benefit to the
child? At 18 years will a late walker still be 9 months behind?)
It's the same with reading. I've been reading to my daughter since she would
sit still for it. She recognized a good portion of the alphabet at 18 mos.
We've played word games and talked about words. I've answered her questions.
She's been writing since she was 5 or so -- *well* before she could read a
page in an easy reader. But it's only now at 11 that she will occasionaly
read for pleasure. (She will *listen* for pleasure for hours! ;-)
In *school* late reading is cause for worry for many reasons: 1) The
demoralization process starts as soon as some significant (to the child)
portion of the other kids can read and the child can't. 2) The schools can't
adequately continue to provide a reading environment (as poor as it is) for
older children. They have a curriculum they need to adhere to and big chunks
of reading time just don't fit in anymore. 3) Getting the information in the
curriculum into the child depends on the child being an independent reader
by 4th grade. Schools can't adequately accomodate a nonreader at that point
without special services. At that point the child has both a poor
environment for reading and a poor environment for learning.
At *home* a later reader is just a child learning through other methods.
And, though school emphasizes reading as the far and away most important
gateway to learning, other ways are just as good. (And actually *better* for
kids who are more visual or auditory or kinesthetic or whatever learners.)
learn to read books they don't want to read when they don't feel like
reading?
I think the ones you've helped are the ones who were ready to read but were
handicapped by their environment. They wouldn't have been asking questions
and been eager to learn if they didn't feel like they were right on the
brink and just needed a couple of missing keys! ;-)
You haven't been seeing the kids who aren't ready to read. If they're older
than average for readers, they're probably already pretty good at hiding the
fact that they can't read. They certainly won't call attention to themselves
to ask for help on something they're sure they can't do or have been
convinced they can't do or decided is really dumb so why should they bother.
"wrong" it's in leading others to believe that what you did with your kids
is all that's necessary for any child.
involved parents (or good programs at school) that's harmful to parents and
to the kids.
you don't want to do. Information helps a *lot* with fears. Talk to others
in your state who *aren't* so fearful of the tests. Find out what they do.
You don't have to do what they do but it's helpful to know what they are
doing and what the consequences are. (And if you're signed onto HSLDA's
alerts, I'd *seriously* think of signing off and finding more positive
groups who are not making money off of fear.)
Joyce
> After my kids were about 3-4 years of age they wanted to beAh, but you see that isn't enough for a kid who isn't developmentally ready
> included in the fun and wanted to know how I did it. So I told them
> the marks on the page are letters and these letters make sounds and
> these sounds make words and all of these words make stories. So
> that's it.
to read.
It's a *really* important thing for anyone trying to unschool to understand
that learning to read isn't a matter of what we as parents do. It's a matter
of what *the kids* are ready for. (Though an environment where reading is
fun and useful and accessible to the child does need to be there.)
If a child has an environment that encourages it, some will walk at 9 mos.
But no amount of encouragement will make a child who won't walk until 18 mos
walk earlier. (And if it did push it ahead, what would be the benefit to the
child? At 18 years will a late walker still be 9 months behind?)
It's the same with reading. I've been reading to my daughter since she would
sit still for it. She recognized a good portion of the alphabet at 18 mos.
We've played word games and talked about words. I've answered her questions.
She's been writing since she was 5 or so -- *well* before she could read a
page in an easy reader. But it's only now at 11 that she will occasionaly
read for pleasure. (She will *listen* for pleasure for hours! ;-)
In *school* late reading is cause for worry for many reasons: 1) The
demoralization process starts as soon as some significant (to the child)
portion of the other kids can read and the child can't. 2) The schools can't
adequately continue to provide a reading environment (as poor as it is) for
older children. They have a curriculum they need to adhere to and big chunks
of reading time just don't fit in anymore. 3) Getting the information in the
curriculum into the child depends on the child being an independent reader
by 4th grade. Schools can't adequately accomodate a nonreader at that point
without special services. At that point the child has both a poor
environment for reading and a poor environment for learning.
At *home* a later reader is just a child learning through other methods.
And, though school emphasizes reading as the far and away most important
gateway to learning, other ways are just as good. (And actually *better* for
kids who are more visual or auditory or kinesthetic or whatever learners.)
> And you know what I have helped others too learn to read.School is a *very* hard place to learn to read. Why *would* a child want to
learn to read books they don't want to read when they don't feel like
reading?
I think the ones you've helped are the ones who were ready to read but were
handicapped by their environment. They wouldn't have been asking questions
and been eager to learn if they didn't feel like they were right on the
brink and just needed a couple of missing keys! ;-)
You haven't been seeing the kids who aren't ready to read. If they're older
than average for readers, they're probably already pretty good at hiding the
fact that they can't read. They certainly won't call attention to themselves
to ask for help on something they're sure they can't do or have been
convinced they can't do or decided is really dumb so why should they bother.
> So you tell me once again what I did that was so wrong.It sounds like you did nothing wrong with your kids. :-) If there's a
"wrong" it's in leading others to believe that what you did with your kids
is all that's necessary for any child.
> Reading is a key that every child should getThey will. When they're ready. (Given an environment that allows them to.)
> It's not my right to question youIt's the assumption that early readers are the result of good caring
> because your child is different than mine or your parenting
> standards are different than mine.
involved parents (or good programs at school) that's harmful to parents and
to the kids.
> As for skipping the test. NO WAY! I will not do that because IIt sounds like you're being controlled by your fears if you're doing things
> will not take a chance on loosing my kids to the system that I have
> fought for years. I don't like the idea of them testing and each
> year it makes me cringe every time it is time for them to test. But
> there is no way I will not submit to the law because it's the law
> that will take my kids if I don't.
you don't want to do. Information helps a *lot* with fears. Talk to others
in your state who *aren't* so fearful of the tests. Find out what they do.
You don't have to do what they do but it's helpful to know what they are
doing and what the consequences are. (And if you're signed onto HSLDA's
alerts, I'd *seriously* think of signing off and finding more positive
groups who are not making money off of fear.)
Joyce
zandaniel
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Fetteroll <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
or 'blankets' .........get the drift(g)
Joz
> on 8/21/02 4:35 AM, zandaniel at zandaniel@h... wrote:umm ..... do you call them 'quilts' over there? or maybe 'bedcovers'
>
> > a heap of doonas
>
> Whozi-whatzits??
>
> Joyce
or 'blankets' .........get the drift(g)
Joz
Fetteroll
on 8/21/02 6:44 AM, zandaniel at zandaniel@... wrote:
I guess we don't have one word that would apply to all those here. Blankets
are basically just a thick piece of material that's woven, knitted,
crocheted or even felted. Quilts are ... quilted :-) They've got some
batting inside and the top and bottom coverings are stitched through to hold
everything in place. Bedcovers generally only gets used for the stuff that's
actually on the bed. (In our case that includes clothes, books, stuffed
animals, real animals ... ;-)
Joyce
> umm ..... do you call them 'quilts' over there? or maybe 'bedcovers'Ahh, got it! :-)
> or 'blankets' .........get the drift(g)
I guess we don't have one word that would apply to all those here. Blankets
are basically just a thick piece of material that's woven, knitted,
crocheted or even felted. Quilts are ... quilted :-) They've got some
batting inside and the top and bottom coverings are stitched through to hold
everything in place. Bedcovers generally only gets used for the stuff that's
actually on the bed. (In our case that includes clothes, books, stuffed
animals, real animals ... ;-)
Joyce
zandaniel
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Fetteroll <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
feathers, down or just padded? Don't ask me where the word 'doona'
came from, I have no idea! Suppose I could goggle it :)
Probably just pure aussie lingo (g)
Regards Joz
> on 8/21/02 6:44 AM, zandaniel at zandaniel@h... wrote:maybe 'bedcovers'
>
> > umm ..... do you call them 'quilts' over there? or
> > or 'blankets' .........get the drift(g)Blankets
>
> Ahh, got it! :-)
>
> I guess we don't have one word that would apply to all those here.
> are basically just a thick piece of material that's woven, knitted,some
> crocheted or even felted. Quilts are ... quilted :-) They've got
> batting inside and the top and bottom coverings are stitchedthrough to hold
> everything in place. Bedcovers generally only gets used for thestuff that's
> actually on the bed. (In our case that includes clothes, books,stuffed
> animals, real animals ... ;-)Doonas would be your quilts I think? Sounds like them - filled with
>
> Joyce
feathers, down or just padded? Don't ask me where the word 'doona'
came from, I have no idea! Suppose I could goggle it :)
Probably just pure aussie lingo (g)
Regards Joz
[email protected]
Do you think there are parents here sitting
(Oh, to be settled in our new house!)
Actually, (to quote my 3yo) we went to see City Slickers on a huge outdoor
screen. The National Institutes of Health have a huge fundraiser every year
with movies on the lawn after dark, raffles and give aways, good local food.
tomorrow is North By Northwest. I love old movies and jump to see them on a
big screen. Last year I saw Casablanca for the first time at the NIH
filmfest and now I'm hooked!
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
> on the couch all day watching TV?I'm not, my kids are in the way.
> Sandra
(Oh, to be settled in our new house!)
Actually, (to quote my 3yo) we went to see City Slickers on a huge outdoor
screen. The National Institutes of Health have a huge fundraiser every year
with movies on the lawn after dark, raffles and give aways, good local food.
tomorrow is North By Northwest. I love old movies and jump to see them on a
big screen. Last year I saw Casablanca for the first time at the NIH
filmfest and now I'm hooked!
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
[email protected]
Doonas would be your quilts I think? Sounds like them - filled with
feathers, down or just padded?
I would call it a comfortor. Quilts are thin comforters are thick and
fluffy.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
feathers, down or just padded?
I would call it a comfortor. Quilts are thin comforters are thick and
fluffy.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/21/02 2:36:32 AM, zandaniel@... writes:
<< oops ....... just the other day my kids and I sat 'on the couch all
day watching TV'. Actually, it was videos. We snuggled up >>
That's you being with your kids and sounds pretty wonderful.
Too many people think unschoolers are "doing nothing" while they tell their
children to "do something." A very vague but very bad stereotype I do expect
to find "out there," but am surprised when I find it in here!!
Sandra
<< oops ....... just the other day my kids and I sat 'on the couch all
day watching TV'. Actually, it was videos. We snuggled up >>
That's you being with your kids and sounds pretty wonderful.
Too many people think unschoolers are "doing nothing" while they tell their
children to "do something." A very vague but very bad stereotype I do expect
to find "out there," but am surprised when I find it in here!!
Sandra
zenmomma *
>>First of all I feel as though got slammed the very moment Iopened my mouth here.>>
I never thought you got slammed, but I did see some of your statements get
discussed. After all, this is an unschooling discussion list. To lots of us
here, the idea of testing and grade levels and promoting the idea that a
child can and *should* be reading by age 5 are not the best roads to an
unschooling lifestyle.
>>Yes for pete's sake I did teach my kids to read and you know whatthey wanted to. HA! No tears no screaming no hair pulling just fun.
It's called spending time with your kids.>>
We have no screaming or hair pulling here either. :o) If your kids were
asking for help in learning to read at age 5 then great! You were there for
them and gave them what they needed. Lots of kids are NOT asking for help at
age 5 though and that's great too. They're off doing and exploring other
learning besides the printed word. The problem is, that current popular
culture has parents believing that ALL children should be at a certain spot
"on the road to reading" at certain ages. Here in the unschooling world, we
reassure parents that there's no magic age for a child to read. Well,
actually the magic age would be when the child is ready to learn.
>>As for skipping the test. NO WAY! I will not do that because Iwill not take a chance on loosing my kids to the system that I have
fought for years.>>
Will Arkansas really take yur kids away if you find a way around the
testing? That seems pretty harsh and expensive for the state.
Life is good.
~Mary
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KT
>I was going to prove to you that your assertion is untrue, but I'm
>
> No child in Arknasas
>can ever be in a grade higher than 2 years beyound the grade that
>they are suposed to be by their age.
>
afraid you're the type who would go off half-cocked and ignorant and
blow the whistle.
I don't live in Arkansas anymore, but I was an unpaid lobbyist in the
legislature for a group who watches homeschooling issues. I know the
law inside and out and I know 100 or more real, live homeschoolers in
Arkansas, some of whom follow the letter of the law, some who don't even
know the law exists. I know what can be done in Arkansas and what IS
being done in Arkansas.
Your whole post is so defensive and I'm ashamed to say, typical of many
of the homeschoolers I've met there.
There are some parts of the state, developed and very close to Little
Rock, in fact, that still don't have local dial-up access to the
Internet. Until that happens, there are still going to be a lot of
people who blindly follow.
Dang, I wish I could remember those quotes that were just posted about
duty to disobey bad law.
Tuck
[email protected]
When you ask a question on a discussion list of over 600 people, you may
well get over 600 answers. (Or yoou may get ten or none!) There will likely
be a number of them that makes you angry.
If you is looking for one exact answer that will agree with your beliefs,
ask your self, then you can choose your own answer.
I have found that unschooling really began to blossom when I eliminated
references to school - grade levels, learning expectations, the "school
year", words like field trips, phonics, math (i say numbers).
Learning has become much more natural. It can't be helped. It happens. At
whatever age is right for the individual.
Unschooling is relaxing.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
well get over 600 answers. (Or yoou may get ten or none!) There will likely
be a number of them that makes you angry.
If you is looking for one exact answer that will agree with your beliefs,
ask your self, then you can choose your own answer.
I have found that unschooling really began to blossom when I eliminated
references to school - grade levels, learning expectations, the "school
year", words like field trips, phonics, math (i say numbers).
Learning has become much more natural. It can't be helped. It happens. At
whatever age is right for the individual.
Unschooling is relaxing.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
zandaniel
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
just mighty miffed at some responses her post had gotten. I thought
your reply was excellent - mine was just a leg-puller.
Regards
Joz
>tell their
> Too many people think unschoolers are "doing nothing" while they
> children to "do something." A very vague but very bad stereotype Ido expect
> to find "out there," but am surprised when I find it in here!!True. I thought she knew very little about unschooling and/or was
>
> Sandra
just mighty miffed at some responses her post had gotten. I thought
your reply was excellent - mine was just a leg-puller.
Regards
Joz
debi watson
Sounds more like what we in Canada call a duvet (doo-vay). Actually, when I first read your post, I thought doona was a type of cookie. Debi
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>>Doonas would be your quilts I think? Sounds like them - filled withfeathers, down or just padded?
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KT
>Me too. A Lorna Doon.
>
> Actually, when I first read your post, I thought doona was a type of cookie. Debi
>
Tuck
zandaniel
OK then :) So we all snuggled with our 'comforters' and watched
videos all day (g)
PS Wouldn't think two english speaking countries would have so much
trouble! ahh the joy of learning a new language lol
Regards
Joz
videos all day (g)
PS Wouldn't think two english speaking countries would have so much
trouble! ahh the joy of learning a new language lol
Regards
Joz
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
> Doonas would be your quilts I think? Sounds like them - filled with
> feathers, down or just padded?
>
> I would call it a comfortor. Quilts are thin comforters are thick
and
> fluffy.
> ~Elissa Cleaveland
> An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
> Happy in this, she is not so old
> But she may learn.
> W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160
zandaniel
OK now I'm puzzled. What the heck is a Lorna Doon?
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., KT <Tuck@m...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Actually, when I first read your post, I thought doona was a type
of cookie. Debi
Is it true that you guys eat biscuits with a meal? heard and seen it
a lot where biscuits are dipped in gravy. What sort of biscuits? Is
it more like bread?
Regards Joz
who is always curious
> >
>
> Me too. A Lorna Doon.
>
> Tuck