Re: 2261Bed, TV, teeth, etc.
Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
on 8/19/02 12:00 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
Joz asked:
To me, unschooling does not mean not teaching your child. It simply means
not doint to them what schools do, which is force them to think about
certain things, to study those things in certain ways using certain books
and certain people called teachers, all with schedules and in certain
locations.
Therefore, UNschooling is narrowly defined simply by the absence of forced
schooling. It allows the child to be a free learner, to follow his/her
curiosity as much as possible. The parent's role in it is to be available to
help when that curiosity needs satisfying. At those times, a parent can be a
great help, and, I believe, should try to be. For example, if a child wants
to be "schooled" in a subject, then that is the child's choice in how to
follow his/her curiosity about it. What keeps it under the description of
UNschooling is the lack of force and the initiative coming from the kid.
For example, if a kid is interested in history, then simply "living life"
will not teach the kid much about the subject. Such a child needs resources
about history in order to learn to the degree s/he is curious.
Theoretically, it is possible for a kid to spend a great deal of his/her
time studying things -- even school subjects -- and still be an UNschooler.
The difference is in the compulsion and the absence of it.
Incidentally, maybe a dentist is the right person to tell a child about the
benefits and joys of clean teeth, and perhaps a few ideas about the
consequences of badly maintained ones.
Like sitting in school, sitting in front of a TV is a passive experience,
and the learning is second-hand. In both cases, we are hearing, seeing,
other people's experience, not having our own. Therefore, it is a parent's
duty, if possible, to provide the children with as much first-hand
"hands-on" experience as we can...ride a horse, sail a boat, dig in the
sandy beach, skip stones on the water, play sports, climb, camp, build a
fort, pick apples, dance, sing, play music, shoot arrows, write stories,
cook meals, grow food, take care of animals, swim, etc,etc.
And from doing those things, and of course a thousand others, their
curiosity will be piqued and will trigger and lead to all the (passive -
from books, etc) learning they will need.
Ned Vare
[email protected] wrote:
Joz asked:
>> Some of the things talked about like; allowing the child to decideJoyce answered:
>> what he/she watches on TV and for how long, what to eat and when,
>> when to go to bed, whether to brush teeth etc are, I thought,
>> parenting choices.
>
> They are. But for some people who question the need to teach their childrenNed's turn:
> math it's a natural extension to question the need to teach their children
> anything else. If living life is enough for history, then why should
> figuring out teeth brushing be any different?
To me, unschooling does not mean not teaching your child. It simply means
not doint to them what schools do, which is force them to think about
certain things, to study those things in certain ways using certain books
and certain people called teachers, all with schedules and in certain
locations.
Therefore, UNschooling is narrowly defined simply by the absence of forced
schooling. It allows the child to be a free learner, to follow his/her
curiosity as much as possible. The parent's role in it is to be available to
help when that curiosity needs satisfying. At those times, a parent can be a
great help, and, I believe, should try to be. For example, if a child wants
to be "schooled" in a subject, then that is the child's choice in how to
follow his/her curiosity about it. What keeps it under the description of
UNschooling is the lack of force and the initiative coming from the kid.
For example, if a kid is interested in history, then simply "living life"
will not teach the kid much about the subject. Such a child needs resources
about history in order to learn to the degree s/he is curious.
Theoretically, it is possible for a kid to spend a great deal of his/her
time studying things -- even school subjects -- and still be an UNschooler.
The difference is in the compulsion and the absence of it.
Incidentally, maybe a dentist is the right person to tell a child about the
benefits and joys of clean teeth, and perhaps a few ideas about the
consequences of badly maintained ones.
Like sitting in school, sitting in front of a TV is a passive experience,
and the learning is second-hand. In both cases, we are hearing, seeing,
other people's experience, not having our own. Therefore, it is a parent's
duty, if possible, to provide the children with as much first-hand
"hands-on" experience as we can...ride a horse, sail a boat, dig in the
sandy beach, skip stones on the water, play sports, climb, camp, build a
fort, pick apples, dance, sing, play music, shoot arrows, write stories,
cook meals, grow food, take care of animals, swim, etc,etc.
And from doing those things, and of course a thousand others, their
curiosity will be piqued and will trigger and lead to all the (passive -
from books, etc) learning they will need.
Ned Vare
Gerard Westenberg
<Incidentally, maybe a dentist is the right person to tell a child about the benefits and joys of clean teeth, and perhaps a few ideas about the consequences of badly maintained ones.>
This happened to us! We were at the orthodontist and he started lecturing me about my son needing to clean his teeth more/better. I said he needed to speak to my 13 yo son as my son was the one brushing ( or not) the teeth. He did - and in a much nicer tone than the one he was using to me! Turned out, this has inspired my son ( and all of us!) to be more diligent with teeth brushing! ..Leonie
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This happened to us! We were at the orthodontist and he started lecturing me about my son needing to clean his teeth more/better. I said he needed to speak to my 13 yo son as my son was the one brushing ( or not) the teeth. He did - and in a much nicer tone than the one he was using to me! Turned out, this has inspired my son ( and all of us!) to be more diligent with teeth brushing! ..Leonie
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Fetteroll
on 8/19/02 11:37 PM, Luz Shosie and Ned Vare at nedvare@... wrote:
interest in something beyond her reach, I helped her explore it. Now that
she's older -- nothing's changed!
exists, she can't tell me she wants it so that's my part of the deal ;-) --
but her favorite things to do right now are drawing and writing. And
watching TV. So a big part of unschooling for me (as someone who was well
trapped by schoolthink) is trying to quiet the voice of what she's
"supposed" to need and listening to what she tells me she needs.
Joyce
> For example, if a kid is interested in history, then simply "living life"To me that *is* living life! :-) As an infant when my daughter showed
> will not teach the kid much about the subject. Such a child needs resources
> about history in order to learn to the degree s/he is curious.
interest in something beyond her reach, I helped her explore it. Now that
she's older -- nothing's changed!
> Like sitting in school, sitting in front of a TV is a passive experience,We go places and do things and meet with friends -- if she doesn't know it
> and the learning is second-hand. In both cases, we are hearing, seeing,
> other people's experience, not having our own.
exists, she can't tell me she wants it so that's my part of the deal ;-) --
but her favorite things to do right now are drawing and writing. And
watching TV. So a big part of unschooling for me (as someone who was well
trapped by schoolthink) is trying to quiet the voice of what she's
"supposed" to need and listening to what she tells me she needs.
Joyce
Cmkerin
Ned wrote:
"hands-on" experience as we can... <
Glad to see the words if possible written in here. :)
Just yesterday while doing some running around a very talkative nice lady
told my son he must love homeschooling because of all the wonderful field
trips and other the other things she thinks 'all' of us homeschoolers do.
My son looked very confused! We don't go on all kinds of trips for a few
reasons, one being that we only had a run down unrelable second car until
very recently and most importantly neither ds 7 nor dd 5 are interested yet
in doing these kinds of things. A relation of mine, who is a new
'homeschooler' thinks it's my 'job' to *make* them go now that I have a much
better newer car. I have learned through these few years of parenting 'my'
children that any happy learning they do needs be from them and not me.
They won't even let me pick books to read together from the library anymore.
:P~~~
It's taken me, and I'm still learning, a long time to be this layed back
with our learning experiences. It's always a struggle especially when I get
the feeling yet again that I might still be doing it wrong somehow. ;)
Joyce
>Therefore, it is a parent'sduty, if possible, to provide the children with as much first-hand
"hands-on" experience as we can... <
Glad to see the words if possible written in here. :)
Just yesterday while doing some running around a very talkative nice lady
told my son he must love homeschooling because of all the wonderful field
trips and other the other things she thinks 'all' of us homeschoolers do.
My son looked very confused! We don't go on all kinds of trips for a few
reasons, one being that we only had a run down unrelable second car until
very recently and most importantly neither ds 7 nor dd 5 are interested yet
in doing these kinds of things. A relation of mine, who is a new
'homeschooler' thinks it's my 'job' to *make* them go now that I have a much
better newer car. I have learned through these few years of parenting 'my'
children that any happy learning they do needs be from them and not me.
They won't even let me pick books to read together from the library anymore.
:P~~~
It's taken me, and I'm still learning, a long time to be this layed back
with our learning experiences. It's always a struggle especially when I get
the feeling yet again that I might still be doing it wrong somehow. ;)
Joyce
Cmkerin
>I get the feeling yet again that I might still be doing it wrong somehow.;)< Joyce
That was meant to be a joke. I forget sometimes that I shouldn't do that on
email.
Joy(ce)
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In a message dated 8/19/02 9:37:12 PM, nedvare@... writes:
<< For example, if a kid is interested in history, then simply "living life"
will not teach the kid much about the subject. Such a child needs resources
about history in order to learn to the degree s/he is curious. >>
It depends where and how that life is lived. "Resources about history" can
be family trips, movies, novels, conversation, trivia books. "Resources
about history" don't need to be lessons or books specifically about history
in the traditional sense.
<<Like sitting in school, sitting in front of a TV is a passive experience,
and the learning is second-hand. In both cases, we are hearing, seeing,
other people's experience, not having our own. >>
Not quite to the extent that sitting reading a book is passive. In those
cases the reader is only getting text. In the case of TV or video, those who
don't learn well from text are experiencing (IN THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE, with
their own minds) sights and sounds which can add to their knowledge.
<<Therefore, it is a parent's
duty, if possible, to provide the children with as much first-hand
"hands-on" experience as we can...ride a horse, sail a boat, dig in the
sandy beach, skip stones on the water, play sports, climb, camp, build a
fort, pick apples, dance, sing, play music, shoot arrows, write stories,
cook meals, grow food, take care of animals, swim, etc,etc.>>
Also known as living life.
Living a rich life with a family whose priorities include learning
experiences.
Sandra
<< For example, if a kid is interested in history, then simply "living life"
will not teach the kid much about the subject. Such a child needs resources
about history in order to learn to the degree s/he is curious. >>
It depends where and how that life is lived. "Resources about history" can
be family trips, movies, novels, conversation, trivia books. "Resources
about history" don't need to be lessons or books specifically about history
in the traditional sense.
<<Like sitting in school, sitting in front of a TV is a passive experience,
and the learning is second-hand. In both cases, we are hearing, seeing,
other people's experience, not having our own. >>
Not quite to the extent that sitting reading a book is passive. In those
cases the reader is only getting text. In the case of TV or video, those who
don't learn well from text are experiencing (IN THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE, with
their own minds) sights and sounds which can add to their knowledge.
<<Therefore, it is a parent's
duty, if possible, to provide the children with as much first-hand
"hands-on" experience as we can...ride a horse, sail a boat, dig in the
sandy beach, skip stones on the water, play sports, climb, camp, build a
fort, pick apples, dance, sing, play music, shoot arrows, write stories,
cook meals, grow food, take care of animals, swim, etc,etc.>>
Also known as living life.
Living a rich life with a family whose priorities include learning
experiences.
Sandra
debi watson
One form of green slime can be made with cornstarch, water and green food coloring. Take a cup or so of cornstarch, and add water already tinted green (about a tablespoon at a time and stir after each addition). You will know you have the right consistency when you can squeeze it into a ball, but it will "melt" and run through your fingers. I know there is another one out there, but I don't know the proportions of Borax and White glue (sound familiar, anyone?) Debi
help me with this I would really appreciate it.
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>>my young son likesthe green slime more than the game. If anyone can
help me with this I would really appreciate it.
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Leslie Avery
I wonder if anyone knows how to make green slime? I
purchased a Totally Gross Science game this weekend at
the homeschooling conference and my young son likes
the green slime more than the game. If anyone can
help me with this I would really appreciate it.
Leslie
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purchased a Totally Gross Science game this weekend at
the homeschooling conference and my young son likes
the green slime more than the game. If anyone can
help me with this I would really appreciate it.
Leslie
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Midas Shannon
Go to the yahoo title bar and type in "Kid
Concoctions". Then all you do is look through the
websites. You will be amazed at how many different
ways there are to make that stuff. I've copied enough
of the data in those websites that my 4 yo and I could
make 10 different projects a day and not repeat one
for a year. You'd be suprised what you will find.
Hope this helps.
shannon
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Concoctions". Then all you do is look through the
websites. You will be amazed at how many different
ways there are to make that stuff. I've copied enough
of the data in those websites that my 4 yo and I could
make 10 different projects a day and not repeat one
for a year. You'd be suprised what you will find.
Hope this helps.
shannon
--- Leslie Avery <ljbakavery@...> wrote:
> I wonder if anyone knows how to make green slime? I__________________________________________________
> purchased a Totally Gross Science game this weekend
> at
> the homeschooling conference and my young son likes
> the green slime more than the game. If anyone can
> help me with this I would really appreciate it.
>
> Leslie
>
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Nora or Devereaux Cannon
White glue, cornstarch, water and borax, plus pigment of your
choice. I use a bottle (8oz) of the world's most generic white
glue mixed with a half cup of cornstarch in a mixing bowl.
Dissolve 1 tsp of borax in half a cup of water, tinted with food
coloring or paint pigment if desired. Mix keep mixing if sticky.
It's great for playing with, because you can vary the recipe and
get very different results - much beyond a factor of 3 and it
isn't much good, but with an afternoon to play a kid can observe
and record a bunch of variations and have a great time doing it.
The trick is in the amount of borax, but if he likes the goop,
he'll figure that out.
Make a paste of some more of the borax (or of cream of tartar)
and spread over blueberry stains in carpet; when it is dry,
vacuum, then remove any remaining stain with ammonia or ammonia,
plus a little wood alcohol.
choice. I use a bottle (8oz) of the world's most generic white
glue mixed with a half cup of cornstarch in a mixing bowl.
Dissolve 1 tsp of borax in half a cup of water, tinted with food
coloring or paint pigment if desired. Mix keep mixing if sticky.
It's great for playing with, because you can vary the recipe and
get very different results - much beyond a factor of 3 and it
isn't much good, but with an afternoon to play a kid can observe
and record a bunch of variations and have a great time doing it.
The trick is in the amount of borax, but if he likes the goop,
he'll figure that out.
Make a paste of some more of the borax (or of cream of tartar)
and spread over blueberry stains in carpet; when it is dry,
vacuum, then remove any remaining stain with ammonia or ammonia,
plus a little wood alcohol.
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:53 PM
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| I wonder if anyone knows how to make green slime? I
| purchased a Totally Gross Science game this weekend at
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| the green slime more than the game. If anyone can
| help me with this I would really appreciate it.
|
| Leslie
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Gerard Westenberg
<To me that *is* living life! :-) As an infant when my daughter showed
interest in something beyond her reach, I helped her explore it. Now that
she's older -- nothing's changed!>
Yes - my kids still "reach out" for things, even though they are not toddlers, - for things in our home, in our community - and I am there with them, spending time and talking. I think a lot of things can be learned by "living life" together - for example, we recently watched Jurassic Park. Ostensibly, we were just hanging out, watching a video, because my 13 yo likes anything directed by Stepehn Spielberg. :-) However, the video sparked a huge interest in dinosaurs for the younger two - they have been looking at dinosaur books, we bought dinosaur models, they have made and are playing a dinosaur game. We are "learning Science" and goodness knows what else just by hanging out together and following our passions/interests... Living life together...Leonie
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interest in something beyond her reach, I helped her explore it. Now that
she's older -- nothing's changed!>
Yes - my kids still "reach out" for things, even though they are not toddlers, - for things in our home, in our community - and I am there with them, spending time and talking. I think a lot of things can be learned by "living life" together - for example, we recently watched Jurassic Park. Ostensibly, we were just hanging out, watching a video, because my 13 yo likes anything directed by Stepehn Spielberg. :-) However, the video sparked a huge interest in dinosaurs for the younger two - they have been looking at dinosaur books, we bought dinosaur models, they have made and are playing a dinosaur game. We are "learning Science" and goodness knows what else just by hanging out together and following our passions/interests... Living life together...Leonie
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/20/02 5:10:18 PM, westen@... writes:
<< Ostensibly, we were just hanging out, watching a video, because my 13 yo
likes anything directed by Stepehn Spielberg. :-) >>
So...
You need to see the new Austin Powers movie.
I can say no more.
<< Ostensibly, we were just hanging out, watching a video, because my 13 yo
likes anything directed by Stepehn Spielberg. :-) >>
So...
You need to see the new Austin Powers movie.
I can say no more.
Gerard Westenberg
You need to see the new Austin Powers movie.
Is it directed by Stephen Speilburg - or some other connection??..Leonie
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Is it directed by Stephen Speilburg - or some other connection??..Leonie
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In a message dated 8/20/02 10:55:22 PM, westen@... writes:
<< Is it directed by Stephen Speilburg - or some other connection??..Leonie >>
If I tell you I will give away one of the coolest things this year.
If you care about Steven Spielburg, see it.
<< Is it directed by Stephen Speilburg - or some other connection??..Leonie >>
If I tell you I will give away one of the coolest things this year.
If you care about Steven Spielburg, see it.
Gerard Westenberg
<If you care about Steven Spielburg, see it.>
Thanks - we will! :-) ..Leonie
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Thanks - we will! :-) ..Leonie
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jessi koons
LOL, I think Sandra sold some of her google stock and bought the rights to Austin Powers :^) This is the second time this month she's brought up that movie.
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/02 10:55:22 PM, westen@... writes:
<< Is it directed by Stephen Speilburg - or some other connection??..Leonie >>
If I tell you I will give away one of the coolest things this year.
If you care about Steven Spielburg, see it.
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megamom08
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
"Resources about history" can
> be family trips, movies, novels, conversation, trivia
books. "Resources
> about history" don't need to be lessons or books specifically about
history
> in the traditional sense.
Forgive me for my timing, I have had struggled keeping up with the
volumes of posts on this list :0)
I know this is a late reply to this topic, but i just had to share.
My first sample for history for this years portfolio will be a family
trip to the Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. I am a descendant
of a famous football family that was pre-NFL. We are having a family
reunion at the Hall and we will get to see special archived items not
out in the display for the public to see. I have made a simple
website about my football heritage, will links to other articles
about these football brothers. I find it fascinating, but I am
biased :o)
Hope someone may enjoy this...
http://hometown.aol.com/megamom08/NESSER.html
A page about Nesser, and nothing Lesser