Re: 2257 - the price of freedom
Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
on 8/17/02 1:32 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
Yes Tia, and the same must be said for other businesses. Take away profit,
and you create socialism. Either things are done for profit, or they are
done by the government, and that means that everyone pays for everything,
and everything costs twice what it does now.
Take food: It has been observed that if the government ran the markets the
same way it runs its schools, we would all be starving and broke. It finally
destroyed the USSR, where it was clear that people in the government had
stolen everything.
Socialism is the myth that we can all live at the expense of everyone else.
The Constitution says, in short, that the government's job is to protect us
from harm, not run our lives and our businesses. The latter is the "freedom"
part.
Ned Vare
[email protected] wrote:
>Tia writes:
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:01:50 -0700
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> Subject: Re: Explaining Our Paper Waste
> But I have to wonder about this idea that loggingNed adds:
> shouldn't ever be done for profit.
Yes Tia, and the same must be said for other businesses. Take away profit,
and you create socialism. Either things are done for profit, or they are
done by the government, and that means that everyone pays for everything,
and everything costs twice what it does now.
Take food: It has been observed that if the government ran the markets the
same way it runs its schools, we would all be starving and broke. It finally
destroyed the USSR, where it was clear that people in the government had
stolen everything.
Socialism is the myth that we can all live at the expense of everyone else.
The Constitution says, in short, that the government's job is to protect us
from harm, not run our lives and our businesses. The latter is the "freedom"
part.
Ned Vare
Bill
> Tia writes:If your tax litterate you NEVER make a profit. Profits are subject to tax.
> > But I have to wonder about this idea that logging
> > shouldn't ever be done for profit.
>
> Ned adds:
> Yes Tia, and the same must be said for other businesses. Take away
> profit, and you create socialism. Either things are done for profit, or
> they are done by the government, and that means that everyone pays for
> everything, and everything costs twice what it does now.
>
> Take food: It has been observed that if the government ran the markets
> the same way it runs its schools, we would all be starving and broke. It
> finally destroyed the USSR, where it was clear that people in the
> government had stolen everything.
>
> Socialism is the myth that we can all live at the expense of everyone
> else.
>
> The Constitution says, in short, that the government's job is to protect
> us from harm, not run our lives and our businesses. The latter is the
> "freedom" part.
>
> Ned Vare
You expense your profits away by paying for perhaps carriage of your logs to
the mill. Gee, I wonder who the major share holder is of the carriage
company. <Evil G> You get to choose your corporate year end btw. unlike
W2-ers'. (You do have to conform to rules that say that shares are not
held exclusively by same people from one corp to another. This is the way
that the Kennedy Fam. and such protect themselves from taxes (and get you
to pay them)) Now when the carriage company has its year end it perhaps
has to market to its customers so it throughs a party, or send surveys to
the logging companies and expense the survey costs. Again this is done
through a corp. and the share holders must not all be the same.
Tax Avoidence is legal btw so don't drivel over that. You can choose to pay
whatever you want. If you happen to be a marketing firm too take 20% off
of advertisement fees (more bang for the buck).
Bill
[email protected]
not only is tax avoidance legal.. it is smiled upon and sanctioned by the govt if you are a big corporation. (well by current administration anyway).. hahah
L
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: 2257 - the price of freedom
> Tia writes:
> > But I have to wonder about this idea that logging
> > shouldn't ever be done for profit.
>
> Ned adds:
> Yes Tia, and the same must be said for other businesses. Take away
> profit, and you create socialism. Either things are done for profit, or
> they are done by the government, and that means that everyone pays for
> everything, and everything costs twice what it does now.
>
> Take food: It has been observed that if the government ran the markets
> the same way it runs its schools, we would all be starving and broke. It
> finally destroyed the USSR, where it was clear that people in the
> government had stolen everything.
>
> Socialism is the myth that we can all live at the expense of everyone
> else.
>
> The Constitution says, in short, that the government's job is to protect
> us from harm, not run our lives and our businesses. The latter is the
> "freedom" part.
>
> Ned Vare
If your tax litterate you NEVER make a profit. Profits are subject to tax.
You expense your profits away by paying for perhaps carriage of your logs to
the mill. Gee, I wonder who the major share holder is of the carriage
company. <Evil G> You get to choose your corporate year end btw. unlike
W2-ers'. (You do have to conform to rules that say that shares are not
held exclusively by same people from one corp to another. This is the way
that the Kennedy Fam. and such protect themselves from taxes (and get you
to pay them)) Now when the carriage company has its year end it perhaps
has to market to its customers so it throughs a party, or send surveys to
the logging companies and expense the survey costs. Again this is done
through a corp. and the share holders must not all be the same.
Tax Avoidence is legal btw so don't drivel over that. You can choose to pay
whatever you want. If you happen to be a marketing firm too take 20% off
of advertisement fees (more bang for the buck).
Bill
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On Sunday 18 August 2002 01:14 pm, llindsey3@... wrote:
incorporated as a "C" and using stratagies that are not stupid.
Any idea why "S"''s are so popular to me they are worthless unless I have
one foot in the grave or take most $ from distributions.
Bill
> not only is tax avoidance legal.. it is smiled upon and sanctioned by theYes, avoidance is smiled upon but no necessity for being "big," just
> govt if you are a big corporation. (well by current administration
> anyway).. hahah L
incorporated as a "C" and using stratagies that are not stupid.
Any idea why "S"''s are so popular to me they are worthless unless I have
one foot in the grave or take most $ from distributions.
Bill