Re: 2233 - Agreeing With Shiela, no surprise
Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
on 8/12/02 12:14 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
Sorry, but we don't disagree at all ( ?^)) I feel that those posts are
fascinating, too (although I often wonder how people manage to "live" with
beliefs that depend utterly on other people's opinion). My only point was
that while my posts were vociferously portrayed as OT, even as they were
being defended and discussed, the reason given was they didn't pertain to
unschooling. That opinion has been dismissed, partly because, as you say,
the posts have led to much diverse conversation.
in the secular, state-required sense. It's about morality, duty, personal
ethics and virtue, not academic knowledge or skill. Unfortunately, some
parents believe they have God's permission to beat their children....that's
another story, but relevant, of course.
It also seem safe to say that a parent who is "convicted" will pass those
convictions to the child even without explicit instruction, and in fact that
is probably the best way -- simply to demonstrate virtuous behavior.
I've known people who have done that -- simply demonstrated exemplary
citizenship, sportsmanship with forgiveness, clarity, fairness, and what
happens is that they attract people to themselves who often can't help but
wonder how they became such fine people. At that point, the person looks at
his/her feet and modestly says that, well, I just try to follow the
teachings of the Bible, or Jesus, or maybe it's Buddha or Krishna or Ghandi
or Kahlil Gibran or Einstein
Ned Vare
If all economists were laid out end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion. -- George Bernard Shaw
[email protected] wrote:
>Ned wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:05:33 -0000
> From: "kayb85" <sheran@...>
> Subject: Re: 2227 - to say or not to say...
>
>> And excuse me, but where is it carved that we need a thoroughThen Sheila wrote:
> discussion,
>> or five, about whether or not there's a hell. Or a heaven. If ever
> there
>> were topics that don't teach anything, I would say those are prime
> examples.
>> Maybe those are candidates for "moving to another list," as has
> been told to
>> me, making room for "unschooling" posts, whatever those are.
>
> Well what do you know, I found something to disagree with you about!Ned answers:
> lol If people are interested in a discussion on heaven and hell, then
> it does teach something. What it teaches depends on where the
> conversation leads and what the posters needed to get out of it.
> Then again, I didn't have a problem with political discussions
> either.
>
> Another interesting aspect of the heaven/hell discussion is what to
> do if you are firmly convicted that you have a responsibility to God
> to teach your children about God and the Bible. How do you do that
> with unschooling?
>
> Sheila
Sorry, but we don't disagree at all ( ?^)) I feel that those posts are
fascinating, too (although I often wonder how people manage to "live" with
beliefs that depend utterly on other people's opinion). My only point was
that while my posts were vociferously portrayed as OT, even as they were
being defended and discussed, the reason given was they didn't pertain to
unschooling. That opinion has been dismissed, partly because, as you say,
the posts have led to much diverse conversation.
> a responsibility to God to teach your children about God and the Bible.I believe that's parenting, not "schooling." It's "values," not education
> How do you do that with unschooling?
in the secular, state-required sense. It's about morality, duty, personal
ethics and virtue, not academic knowledge or skill. Unfortunately, some
parents believe they have God's permission to beat their children....that's
another story, but relevant, of course.
It also seem safe to say that a parent who is "convicted" will pass those
convictions to the child even without explicit instruction, and in fact that
is probably the best way -- simply to demonstrate virtuous behavior.
I've known people who have done that -- simply demonstrated exemplary
citizenship, sportsmanship with forgiveness, clarity, fairness, and what
happens is that they attract people to themselves who often can't help but
wonder how they became such fine people. At that point, the person looks at
his/her feet and modestly says that, well, I just try to follow the
teachings of the Bible, or Jesus, or maybe it's Buddha or Krishna or Ghandi
or Kahlil Gibran or Einstein
Ned Vare
If all economists were laid out end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion. -- George Bernard Shaw