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You intelligent people crack me up!
How much time can be wasted insanely arguing back and forth
with a bunch of us trying to have decent discussions.
Get each others private emails and email your arguments to each other, would
you?
I am not wanting "to hear about it" really. (I only get the emails in
groups, not individually..)

I like the stimulating conversations that engage us all.
Have you ever heard your neighbors yelling outside at each other and wished
they'd keep it private?
That is how it feels here, IN MY OPINION!

So let's start talking about something new!

New Topic:

** unschooling ideas for historical interests of 9 yr. old boys.
Any ideas or stories are welcomed. Thanks!

Oh, I live in Iowa. Are you all aware of the Underground Railroad being
prominent here in our state? I just recently learned about this. Very
fasinating! Even went to a house/museum and toured it.

How about Hoyt Sherman? Any one ever hear of him? His mansion is set up
here in Des Moines and has a fasinating story of women in Iowa in the late
1800s wanting to get away from the prarie talk and more into prestigious
topics from their lives back east, including the art and paintings. It ends
up now, 100 yrs. later, the women still hold on to his home and have millions
of dollars of art in it.
It is awesome. I just heard of it and toured it this summer.

Let's chat!


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kayb85

> ** unschooling ideas for historical interests of 9 yr. old boys.
> Any ideas or stories are welcomed. Thanks!

I guess it depends on what his historical interests are. Is there
something specific he's interested in historically or are you just
trying to find ways to get him into history?

I have a 9 year old daughter, and historical sites tend to bore her.
We recently went to Boston and started doing the Freedom Trail. We'd
see a few sites and she said stuff like, "Yeah, that's nice. Uh-huh,
when is this going to be over..." So we ditched the freedom trail
and went to Chinatown. :) She does like some historical fiction,
though. American Girls, My America, Dear America, among others.

Sheila

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In a message dated 08/13/2002 1:41:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sheran@... writes:


> I have a 9 year old daughter, and historical sites tend to bore her.
> We recently went to Boston and started doing the Freedom Trail. We'd
> see a few sites and she said stuff like, "Yeah, that's nice. Uh-huh,
> when is this going to be over..."

Sheila,
I had to laugh at this. We traveled the Freedom Trail last summer, 100
degrees plus humidity. My daughter said that if she had to look at one more
smelly, old church that she'd scream. Part of the trail went through the
Italian North End; that was fascinating. Old Ironsides was a hit too.
We're going back to Boston in September. How was Chinatown? We thought
about taking the Duck Tours. The people on them looked as if they were having
fun.
Take care,
Ginny


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kayb85

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., GDobes@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 08/13/2002 1:41:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sheran@p... writes:
>
>
> > I have a 9 year old daughter, and historical sites tend to bore
her.
> > We recently went to Boston and started doing the Freedom Trail.
We'd
> > see a few sites and she said stuff like, "Yeah, that's nice. Uh-
huh,
> > when is this going to be over..."
>
> Sheila,
> I had to laugh at this. We traveled the Freedom Trail last
summer, 100
> degrees plus humidity. My daughter said that if she had to look at
one more
> smelly, old church that she'd scream. Part of the trail went
through the
> Italian North End; that was fascinating. Old Ironsides was a hit
too.
> We're going back to Boston in September. How was Chinatown?
We thought
> about taking the Duck Tours. The people on them looked as if they
were having
> fun.
> Take care,
> Ginny

Maybe we'll do the other half of the Freedom Trail next time we go
back. We didn't see Old Ironsides either.

Chinatown was fun. We ate at a restaurant and bought cookies at a
bakery. The cookies were no good! lol It's the first Chinatown I've
ever been to. My brother said that it's not as nice as some
Chinatowns.

Any other recommendations for Boston? We'll be going back too since
my brother lives there. We just take our sleeping bags and camp out
in his livingroom!

We did a whale watch which was fun. That was a good experience for
my daughter especially. She was under the impression the boat would
take us to this place where the whales lived and they would be
jumping all over the place putting on a little show for us! She
didn't realize we would be running to one side or the other of the
boat trying to spot them in the distance.

We ate at a lot of ethnic restaurants. Malaysian, Japanese, Thai,
Chinese

The children's museum and science museum were great. Friday nights
the children museum has a cheap admission deal. We have a membership
to our local science museum so we got into the Boston science museum
for free. The rollercoaster science display was awesome and that's
where they spent most of their time.

The art museum was nice too, except when you go there with kids they
automatically treat you like a criminal and stare you down the whole
time.

We also liked the frog pond and running through the fountains at the
Christian Science Center. The kids got a kick out of the swan boats
too.

Oh yeah, and the FAO Schwartz toy store and the Curious George goes
to Wardsworth store.

Sheila

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on 8/14/02 12:12 PM, kayb85 at sheran@... wrote:

> Any other recommendations for Boston?

Tea Party ship. It's right next to the Children's Museum.

Plymouth (Plimouth Plantation and Mayflower)

Salem. It's tacky but it's fun. And there's some real pagan/wiccan stores
there for the real witches that are cool :-) There's also the House of Seven
Gables for those who've read the story.

Sturbridge Village. (A recreated 1800's (?) New England village.)

The Old North bridge and Lexington Green. Which are about as much fun as the
Freedom Trail ;-)

John Hancock or Prudential buildings -- I can't remember which is the taller
one.

I think at the Old State House there's a light up map that shows how much
smaller the land used to be before it was all filled in with landfill.)

Faneuil Hall (neat little stores and carts and eating)

Province Town at the tip of Cape Cod. (For those who don't mind traffic in
the summer! The Cape is *wonderful* before June 24 when the season starts.
But lots of the shops and restaurants are closed. The ocean side has bigger
waves than the bay side. But it depends where on the Cape you go. The water
is warmest in September. Warm, of course, being a relative term.)

Aquarium.

If you love books, New England Mobile Book Fair in Natick. (Go directly to
the remainder room.)

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Joyce

kayb85

> Tea Party ship. It's right next to the Children's Museum.

Actually we had that on our list of things to do. We got there and
found that a fire had destroyed it. They plan to open again in the
fall. I guess they were able to salvage some things.
Sheila

Fetteroll

on 8/15/02 4:58 PM, kayb85 at sheran@... wrote:

> Actually we had that on our list of things to do. We got there and
> found that a fire had destroyed it. They plan to open again in the
> fall. I guess they were able to salvage some things.

I was sitting here stunned thinking I was really out of it. Well, I am ;-)
but not that far out. We were in Las Vegas on Aug 3 when it happened and
apparently the gift shop burned and that was the only entrance to the ship.
But the ship wasn't damaged so it wasn't that big of a deal. I assume they
must have moved the ship.

I went looking for a story on the internet. There are incredibly few which
is why this rather bizarre and ironic connection to the Christianity
discussion was near the top. It's part of Bible Doctrine - A Grace Oriented
Divine Viewpoint of Current Events http://www.biblenews1.com/

(No, I'm not implying this has anything to do with conventional Christianity
we're discussing ;-)

http://www.biblenews1.com/history1/20010804.htm

> August 3 (Day 215, Cover):  During a severe thunderstorm in Boston that
> flooded some areas and started some fires from lightning, the Boston Tea Party
> Complex caught fire.  The gift shop in the complex went up in flames and was a
> total loss, but The Boston Tea Party ship itself, a replica of the historic
> vessel from which colonists tossed tea overboard to protest high British
> taxes, was not damaged.  Firefighters arrived at the scene about 9:00 PM EDT.
>
> The Boston Tea Party occurred on December 16, 1773 when American
> revolutionaries disguised as Mohawk Indians and Negroes boarded three East
> India Company ships and threw 342 crates of tea overboard to protest British
> tax on tea.  The three ships, which had arrived on November 27, 1773 were the
> Dartmouth, Eleanor and the Beaver.
>
> Dartmouth is named for the English town at the mouth of the Dart River, which
> is famous in British naval tradition.  The name is derived from darthe, the
> Celtic word for oak.  The mouth of a river with its delta is the symbol of a
> female.  Eleanor is a famous French female name from Ailenor, which is
> possibly a form of Helen.  Eleanor of Aquitaine was the wife of King Louis VII
> of France.  The beaver is an industrious animal that dams up streams.  It is
> noted for its tail and hair.   Beavers spend a lot of time grooming themselves
> and are symbolic of females whose long hair requires much attention like the
> long hair of the women who anointed the feet of Jesus (Luke 7:38; John 12:3). 
> Thus, the three names all refer to females.  And the ships were in Boston
> harbor, which is also a symbol of a female.
>
> The three ships, however, were symbolic of Ecumenical, Political, and Cosmic
> Babylon.  They were in the Cosmic System.  There could be no compromise. 
> Their cargo must be destroyed.  November 27, 1773 stood for:  11th month- a
> witness; 27- a horn, which gores; 77- Reverse Process Reversionism, a symbol
> of the goddess of love; and 73- freedom.  There were 342 crates of tea
> destroyed, where 300 is for judgment, and 42 for Baal, the bear, and Russia. 
> England had been overcome by the power of Baal.  December 16, 1773 stood for: 
> 12th month- authority; 16- sanctification.
>
> Boston is at 42 N., for Baal, the bear, and Russia, and 71 W., for a strait. 
> The American revolutionaries were fighting to throw off the yoke of Baal.  The
> Boston Tea Party marked the change in American resistance from talk to violent
> resistance.  After the Boston Tea Party, Britain was not about to back down
> either, and there was harsh British retaliation.  The Boston Tea Party was
> about Baal, Marriage Culture, and freedom.

Joyce

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So the term "beaver" has to do with a woman's HAIR!
Oh!

So when Kurt Vonnegut's character Kilgore Trout's stories are published in
magazines with pictures of wide open beavers that's Biblically sound?

Good.

And on South Park when Cartman (thought he had) started his period and went
to buy sanitary supplies called things like "cotton cork" and "beaver dam"
that too is explained by the virtuous and clean river-damming mammals?

I sang a ballad at the talent show at the HSC conference Saturday. I learned
the ballad when I was a teenager. It's a version of The Twa Sisters, which
sometimes leads up to a magical harp. Not this version. But I learned
something new about it just last week. I was looking something up on google
(which means mostly that I was home and the computer was on and I had a
thought I couldn't complete to my own satisfaction), and looked up "beaver
hat" so I might could say something intelligent.

In the song the young man "gave his love a beaver hat."

I had thought since 1970 or so that this line must mean that this version
dated from the late century or early 18th century. It's found in Nova Scotia
and somewhere more southerly (I'd have to get up and go look and I'm tired,
but I think Kentucky) that I know of. I thought it needed to be early in
American-days for it to be that similar in those dissimilar places.

WELL!!! As to beavers, I did not know until last week these things:

There were beavers in Europe but they had killed them out this way and that,
but in part by the popularity of felt made of beaver fur. So when the
southern Europeans were knocking over central and southern "new world"
cultures for their gold, northern Europeans were knocking over beavers for
their pelts, and felling trees for masts for ships. The beaver hat was a big
fad in Elizabethan England, and since beavers were becoming scarce-to-none
there, but they were still common in northern-new-world, the fad grew.

So my ballad-dating can be backed up to the early 17th century and if the
song existed in England (nothing suggests it didn't; other versions are there
and points north into Scandinavia, I think), then the fact that it's in more
than one Canadian/U.S. place isn't a problem at all.

Sandra who rambles, but still thinks learning is learning and thinking is good