Hooked on phonics?
tonya wright
We are contemplating buying Hooked on Phonics for Brittany. I looked up the
info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping & handling.
YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If there was a
store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping & handling.
Also, do you know anyone who has used it?
Tonya
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4/22/99 12/01/01
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info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping & handling.
YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If there was a
store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping & handling.
Also, do you know anyone who has used it?
Tonya
Brittany & Melody's Mommy
4/22/99 12/01/01
The secret to life isn't getting what you want it's wanting it once you get
it-Katherine Hepburn in "Love Affair"
Remember starting the fire is easy, the hardest part is learning how to keep
the flame-Stevie Nicks "Love's A Hard Game To Play" Timespace
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Cindy BUEHLER
I considered buying HOP for my daughter a few years ago. We checked it out at the library. It was way too complicated and confusing. I am glad I did not waste my money on it. I hear that some kids like it, but if your dd likes unschooling this is definitely not for her.
Cindy
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From: tonya wright
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:31 AM
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hooked on phonics?
We are contemplating buying Hooked on Phonics for Brittany. I looked up the
info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping & handling.
YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If there was a
store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping & handling.
Also, do you know anyone who has used it?
Tonya
Brittany & Melody's Mommy
4/22/99 12/01/01
The secret to life isn't getting what you want it's wanting it once you get
it-Katherine Hepburn in "Love Affair"
Remember starting the fire is easy, the hardest part is learning how to keep
the flame-Stevie Nicks "Love's A Hard Game To Play" Timespace
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In a message dated 8/9/02 11:32:02 PM, chatadict2t@... writes:
<< We are contemplating buying Hooked on Phonics for Brittany. I looked up
the
info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping & handling.
YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If there was a
store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping & handling.
Also, do you know anyone who has used it? >>
I would say don't buy it.
If that seems stupid to you and you're determined to buy one, call used
bookstores in your area (maybe one deals with/specializes in educational
stuff, and you can ask in any you call whether they know who might most
likely have it), or check with google.com for used copies online.
Third recommendation is after you've checked, don't buy it.
Sandra
<< We are contemplating buying Hooked on Phonics for Brittany. I looked up
the
info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping & handling.
YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If there was a
store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping & handling.
Also, do you know anyone who has used it? >>
I would say don't buy it.
If that seems stupid to you and you're determined to buy one, call used
bookstores in your area (maybe one deals with/specializes in educational
stuff, and you can ask in any you call whether they know who might most
likely have it), or check with google.com for used copies online.
Third recommendation is after you've checked, don't buy it.
Sandra
zenmomma *
>>We are contemplating buying Hooked on Phonics for Brittany. I looked upYIKES! is right. Believe me when I tell you it is NOT worth the money and
>>the info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping &
>>handling. YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If
>>there was a store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping
>>& handling. Also, do you know anyone who has used it?>>
Brittany does NOT need it to learn to read. Those commercials make their
program sound so fun and easy, but really it's just tedium in a box. My
Casey got sucked in by those commercials once and asked me to get her that
program. We borrowed it from the library. She was bored in one day. She was
NOT however bored with learning to read. Just the simplistic phonics only
approach that this system was using.
We had much more fun and lots of success using a playful, relaxed and varied
approach. Everything in that expensive phonics program can be found much
better in real life. There are books from the library, blocks, magnetic
letters, workbooks from the grocery (for playing, NOT enforcing of course),
games like Scrabble and Boggle, computer games, magazines, etc.
I would suggest your local library as one of the best resources around. If
you feel a need to brush up on those phonics rules for yourself (so you can
help Brittany), there are tons of books on the subject. And all for free!
Life is good.
~Mary
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on 8/10/02 1:30 AM, tonya wright at chatadict2t@... wrote:
And it might be. But how much are you willing to spend on a fun way to do
something that will happen naturally for free? How much would you have paid
for a fun program to help her to walk?
I think I ended up paying about $5. $20 for the 100 Easy Lessons which I
sold last year for about $15. (And it didn't work either because my daughter
had 0 interest.)
What you're really buying is:
1) a sense of peace that she'll learn to read. This is preying on groundless
fears. As an unschooler in an environment where reading is naturally fun and
useful she *will* learn to read. It may be tomorrow. It may be 6 years from
now. (Unless you put her in school where life isn't natural and there are
major road blocks to learning to read. (Like expecting her to do something
she isn't developmentally ready for yet.) So for parents with kids in school
the fears aren't quite so groundless.)
2) *Maybe* early reading. Maybe. Though I'd be more inclined to believe the
kids who read early with phonics programs are the ones who would have read
early to begin with. And though being able to read before school starts gets
cheered, what does it really mean? No one can tell the difference between an
adult who read at 3 and an adult who read at 7. (I'd extend that to 13 for
an unschooler but a later reader in school might be demoralized by the
intervention and end up not liking to read or be convinced he can't. Sandra
has been collecting stories of later readers at
http://sandradodd.com/reading I think the most important thing to realize in
terms of calming fears is that a 13 yo new reader is *not* 7 years behind.
They'll be indistinguishable from their peers pretty quickly.) Learning
through reading is *different* not better than learning by doing or learning
by watching. Unless you're in school where learning is *only* avialble
through reading and listening. Then otherwise endowed kids are severly
handicapped. That doesn't need to be true at home. We can adapt the
environment to the kid rather than the kid to the environment.
If you still think you'd like it, first check your library or through
interlibrary loan. Just ask your librarian to search. That should be free.
(Or a nominal fee. I think one library in our system charges a quarter for
each request.) Even if they don't have a regular system in place, most
libraries will call around and try to locate what you want.
There's some at http://www.half.com You'll need to read and ask questions
of the sellers and perhaps search the internet to figure out what you're
getting since some of the sets are a few years old. (And to make sure the
seller has listed his item under the correct heading!)
If you go to http://www.addall.com it will search 20 or so used book sites
(including half.com). It will be very helpful if you have the ISBN of the
one or ones you want since there's 15 of them and they're not listed by
publication date.
The full price one does have a 60 day money back guarantee. Not on the s&h
though. But *if* you get to keep the National Geographics on CD that comes
as a free gift, it might be worth it even if you never use it and just send
it back! ;-) (It's *way* not worth it if you don't send it back. You're much
better off getting it used and then reselling. You'll lose less money!)
Joyce
> We are contemplating buying Hooked on Phonics for Brittany. I looked up theWell, look at it this way. The ads make it look like it's fun for the kids.
> info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping & handling.
> YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If there was a
> store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping & handling.
> Also, do you know anyone who has used it?
And it might be. But how much are you willing to spend on a fun way to do
something that will happen naturally for free? How much would you have paid
for a fun program to help her to walk?
I think I ended up paying about $5. $20 for the 100 Easy Lessons which I
sold last year for about $15. (And it didn't work either because my daughter
had 0 interest.)
What you're really buying is:
1) a sense of peace that she'll learn to read. This is preying on groundless
fears. As an unschooler in an environment where reading is naturally fun and
useful she *will* learn to read. It may be tomorrow. It may be 6 years from
now. (Unless you put her in school where life isn't natural and there are
major road blocks to learning to read. (Like expecting her to do something
she isn't developmentally ready for yet.) So for parents with kids in school
the fears aren't quite so groundless.)
2) *Maybe* early reading. Maybe. Though I'd be more inclined to believe the
kids who read early with phonics programs are the ones who would have read
early to begin with. And though being able to read before school starts gets
cheered, what does it really mean? No one can tell the difference between an
adult who read at 3 and an adult who read at 7. (I'd extend that to 13 for
an unschooler but a later reader in school might be demoralized by the
intervention and end up not liking to read or be convinced he can't. Sandra
has been collecting stories of later readers at
http://sandradodd.com/reading I think the most important thing to realize in
terms of calming fears is that a 13 yo new reader is *not* 7 years behind.
They'll be indistinguishable from their peers pretty quickly.) Learning
through reading is *different* not better than learning by doing or learning
by watching. Unless you're in school where learning is *only* avialble
through reading and listening. Then otherwise endowed kids are severly
handicapped. That doesn't need to be true at home. We can adapt the
environment to the kid rather than the kid to the environment.
If you still think you'd like it, first check your library or through
interlibrary loan. Just ask your librarian to search. That should be free.
(Or a nominal fee. I think one library in our system charges a quarter for
each request.) Even if they don't have a regular system in place, most
libraries will call around and try to locate what you want.
There's some at http://www.half.com You'll need to read and ask questions
of the sellers and perhaps search the internet to figure out what you're
getting since some of the sets are a few years old. (And to make sure the
seller has listed his item under the correct heading!)
If you go to http://www.addall.com it will search 20 or so used book sites
(including half.com). It will be very helpful if you have the ISBN of the
one or ones you want since there's 15 of them and they're not listed by
publication date.
The full price one does have a 60 day money back guarantee. Not on the s&h
though. But *if* you get to keep the National Geographics on CD that comes
as a free gift, it might be worth it even if you never use it and just send
it back! ;-) (It's *way* not worth it if you don't send it back. You're much
better off getting it used and then reselling. You'll lose less money!)
Joyce
[email protected]
Hello all,
Just thought I would introduce myself, My name is Mary and I am a
homeschooling mom of 3 1/2 kids (#4 due in Sept). I have been lurking the
last few days and trying to keep up with the "friendly" banter.lol
Anyway just thought I would put in my opinion of the hooked on phonics
program. I bought this (at a garage sale) and tried it with my son. He is
very music oriented so I thought he would enjoy it. He listened to the first
tape for about ten minutes and lost interest. We occasionally look through
the books but I don't think its worth the $300 I would have spent if I
purchased it new.
I guess I should have known when I bought it, it was still in the original
box with the receipt inside. I doubt the original owner used it for any
amount of time as well.
Anyway, hope that helps. Will probably go back to lurking for a while,
thanks for listening.
Mary
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Just thought I would introduce myself, My name is Mary and I am a
homeschooling mom of 3 1/2 kids (#4 due in Sept). I have been lurking the
last few days and trying to keep up with the "friendly" banter.lol
Anyway just thought I would put in my opinion of the hooked on phonics
program. I bought this (at a garage sale) and tried it with my son. He is
very music oriented so I thought he would enjoy it. He listened to the first
tape for about ten minutes and lost interest. We occasionally look through
the books but I don't think its worth the $300 I would have spent if I
purchased it new.
I guess I should have known when I bought it, it was still in the original
box with the receipt inside. I doubt the original owner used it for any
amount of time as well.
Anyway, hope that helps. Will probably go back to lurking for a while,
thanks for listening.
Mary
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Tia Leschke
>I considered buying HOP for my daughter a few years ago. We checked it outWhen I asked about it at the local teachers supply store, the owner
>at the library. It was way too complicated and confusing. I am glad I did
>not waste my money on it. I hear that some kids like it, but if your dd
>likes unschooling this is definitely not for her.
recommended against it. They had it and would sell it to me if I wanted,
but they didn't really think it was worth the cost.
Tia
What you think of me is none of my business.
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Tia and All,
I used Hooked on Phonics with all three of my kids. They loved and learned
to read with it. They went at their own pace and sometimes would go weeks
without using the program and then pick it up again. It was not confusing at
all and I found that it follows a logical progression of steps that make
sense to us, at least.
What I liked most was that it comes with books that use the words that you
have learned and they give the kids a real feeling of accomplishment when
they read them. We found that after the first level we didn't use the tapes
anymore, that we didn't need them.
It's the kind of program that you can follow very strictly or very loosely,
as long as you don't move on until the child has mastered what he learned
before. We followed it loosely, as we are unschoolers at heart. Other than
Hooked on Phonics we don't do the curriculum thing but we were able to use it
in our own way.
I recommend the program, although we bought ours 4 years ago, before the
computer CD's were added. I'm not sure I would want to use the CD's but the
workbooks and story books are good. It's hard checking the program out from
the library, we tried that at first. 3 weeks isn't enough time to complete
one level, let alone the entire series. As far as the price goes it was worth
if for us because I used for all three kids and I'll probably pass it on to
another family when we are finished with it.
Robin Stalte
I used Hooked on Phonics with all three of my kids. They loved and learned
to read with it. They went at their own pace and sometimes would go weeks
without using the program and then pick it up again. It was not confusing at
all and I found that it follows a logical progression of steps that make
sense to us, at least.
What I liked most was that it comes with books that use the words that you
have learned and they give the kids a real feeling of accomplishment when
they read them. We found that after the first level we didn't use the tapes
anymore, that we didn't need them.
It's the kind of program that you can follow very strictly or very loosely,
as long as you don't move on until the child has mastered what he learned
before. We followed it loosely, as we are unschoolers at heart. Other than
Hooked on Phonics we don't do the curriculum thing but we were able to use it
in our own way.
I recommend the program, although we bought ours 4 years ago, before the
computer CD's were added. I'm not sure I would want to use the CD's but the
workbooks and story books are good. It's hard checking the program out from
the library, we tried that at first. 3 weeks isn't enough time to complete
one level, let alone the entire series. As far as the price goes it was worth
if for us because I used for all three kids and I'll probably pass it on to
another family when we are finished with it.
Robin Stalte
Heather Woodward
Check out ebay or half.com. I also have seen used homeschool stuff online somewhere - do that Google search that Sandra suggested - and I am sure one of those will come up. I have a set that I have never used (it was given to me) My daughter read too early - and my other kids have yet to show an interest - so I am not sure I will use it. Let me know what you think when you get it...
Heather A. Woodward
Longaberger Independant Sales Consultant
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----- Original Message -----
From: tonya wright
To: [email protected] ; [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:30 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hooked on phonics?
We are contemplating buying Hooked on Phonics for Brittany. I looked up the
info. on the official web site & it is $299.99 + 27.50 shipping & handling.
YIKES! Do you know of any other places we could buy it? If there was a
store around that sold it at least we could save the shipping & handling.
Also, do you know anyone who has used it?
Tonya
Brittany & Melody's Mommy
4/22/99 12/01/01
The secret to life isn't getting what you want it's wanting it once you get
it-Katherine Hepburn in "Love Affair"
Remember starting the fire is easy, the hardest part is learning how to keep
the flame-Stevie Nicks "Love's A Hard Game To Play" Timespace
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We borrowed the Phonics Game when Emily was younger from a conservative HS
family down the street. We opened the box and looked at all the tapes,cards,
booklets, and videos and got completely overwhelmed. We shut the box and
returned it, toot suite, Ya'll.
Just read out loud, snuggle and read together, take turns reading the pages,
and be patient, it will come.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
family down the street. We opened the box and looked at all the tapes,cards,
booklets, and videos and got completely overwhelmed. We shut the box and
returned it, toot suite, Ya'll.
Just read out loud, snuggle and read together, take turns reading the pages,
and be patient, it will come.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein