thanks for a new reality
Sue
I Just wanted to thank the people on this list for calming my nerves in regards to unschooling, especially Joyce and Sandra for their very insightful messages that are full of clarity and truth. It is amazing, I will read a message and think wow, this person wrote a really good message and then Sandra will add another dimension to it and I think 'gee this woman is absolutely incredible with the way she views things'.
There are a couple of families that I know off that are homeschooling and I had become worried that maybe I should be doing more. They have created a playgroup and some are teaching their children letters etc. (a playgroup I didnot join because my son doesn't like group situations - I even worry if that is OK). But after the short time I have been on this list I have become more relaxed and not worrying so much. You will laugh when I tell you the children are about 4yrs of age - but today I looked at my two children - 4 in Oct and 2 in Sept and I thought - why the hell am I worrying - these years should be all about play not concerned whether or not if they can count or know their letters - unbelievable - even amongst homeschoolers you can get caught up in the pressure for your young children to learn. I was worried that I was too lazy to teach now I am beginning to realise that I was getting caught up with "The Hurried Child Syndrome". So just a thanks to the list for help bringing me to my senses. The pressure is off.
Sue from Australia
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There are a couple of families that I know off that are homeschooling and I had become worried that maybe I should be doing more. They have created a playgroup and some are teaching their children letters etc. (a playgroup I didnot join because my son doesn't like group situations - I even worry if that is OK). But after the short time I have been on this list I have become more relaxed and not worrying so much. You will laugh when I tell you the children are about 4yrs of age - but today I looked at my two children - 4 in Oct and 2 in Sept and I thought - why the hell am I worrying - these years should be all about play not concerned whether or not if they can count or know their letters - unbelievable - even amongst homeschoolers you can get caught up in the pressure for your young children to learn. I was worried that I was too lazy to teach now I am beginning to realise that I was getting caught up with "The Hurried Child Syndrome". So just a thanks to the list for help bringing me to my senses. The pressure is off.
Sue from Australia
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In a message dated 7/1/02 6:21:31 AM, werapfamily@... writes:
<< I Just wanted to thank the people on this list for calming my nerves in
regards to unschooling, especially Joyce and Sandra for their very insightful
messages that are full of clarity and truth. >>
Thanks!
You're welcome.
Thanks for adding to the swirly, live body of information others come here to
gain from!
Sandra
<< I Just wanted to thank the people on this list for calming my nerves in
regards to unschooling, especially Joyce and Sandra for their very insightful
messages that are full of clarity and truth. >>
Thanks!
You're welcome.
Thanks for adding to the swirly, live body of information others come here to
gain from!
Sandra
Fetteroll
on 7/1/02 8:20 AM, Sue at werapfamily@... wrote:
flabbergasted if a child isn't going. "But they'll fall behind! They won't
be ready for school!" That attitude in society is very very sad.
many uses for them but can't appreciate and explore the nuances of mud.
(Unless they take a class and call it pottery ;-) We may not be able to
understand what a toddler sees in mud or banging pots or pulling everything
off the table, but we need to trust that what they're finding so fascinating
is what they need to explore. It *is* valuable to them.
nature couldn't design a thinking being properly.
Joyce
> I Just wanted to thank the people on this list for calming my nerves inWhat a sweetie! thank you! :-)
> regards to unschooling, especially Joyce and Sandra for their very insightful
> messages that are full of clarity and truth.
> You will laugh when I tell you the children are about 4yrs of ageNot laughing at all. Preschool has become so common that many parents get
flabbergasted if a child isn't going. "But they'll fall behind! They won't
be ready for school!" That attitude in society is very very sad.
> these years should be all about play not concerned whether or not if they canYes! What in the world does a toddler need with letters? A teen will find
> count or know their letters
many uses for them but can't appreciate and explore the nuances of mud.
(Unless they take a class and call it pottery ;-) We may not be able to
understand what a toddler sees in mud or banging pots or pulling everything
off the table, but we need to trust that what they're finding so fascinating
is what they need to explore. It *is* valuable to them.
> I was worried that I was too lazy to teachNo, *they* are too unsure of their abilities as parents and too afraid that
nature couldn't design a thinking being properly.
Joyce
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 12:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
fetteroll@... writes:
as a way to get kids used to the idea of going to school. It was a chance for
children around the age of four to interact with others, usually two or three
hours a day, two or three days a week. Now children are sent to preschool
starting as young as two all day long, all week long. Then when they are
about four or so they go to pre-k. Many schools in our district have added
pre-k programs and the idea of adding pre-k as an actual grade to go through,
is being tossed around. I am astounded at all this so called *need for
children to have every chance at success in school* that has yanked them all
straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of the
teachers parking lot.
When I went to Oklahoma last week, I went with my sister to pick up her
daughter (2) from preschool. I stood at the door while she got my niece ready
to go and looked across the hall at the pre-k room. The teacher was trying to
have a lesson, she had a plate with plastic food on it. A hamburger, corn on
the cob and some other things like milk and juice. She asked the circle of
faces sitting before her where did all this food come from. The kid I liked
best said it was plastic not food and it came from the toy shelf. Of course
he was gently reprimanded and the question repeated. A little girl said you
get food from the grocery store, which caused an argument over which was a
better place to shop, Super-Wal-mart, Super-Target or some other store. Then
the teacher asked where the food came from before it was in the store.
Another little boy said his uncle brought the food in his truck, so the
teacher asked how it got on his truck to which the little guy said "They
loaded it up at the warehouse" The teacher still had a sweet smile on her
face, but you could tell she was frustrated. By the time they got to the idea
that hamburger and milk come from cows, and corn is grown in a field, and
what cows are was all explained the idea was lost on the kids. Some were
picking their noses, some were picking on each other, one was looking out the
window, and my sister says to me wasn't that lesson a good idea? Aren't those
kids lucky to have learned all that? I told her the kids were bored, didn't
care, and too young for those lessons anyway. She said they wouldn't have the
opportunity to learn about this elsewhere, it was the best thing they were in
preschool so they wouldn't be behind in kindergarten. We got into a
discussion about all this and it didn't go well. My sister finally ended it
by making a statement to me that just shocked me. She said "Public school was
good enough for me, it will be good enough for Isabelle." That was when I
realized where this attitude about how children should learn and be raised
comes from. I was so sad.
~Nancy
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fetteroll@... writes:
> Not laughing at all. Preschool has become so common that many parents getWhat gets me is that preschool used to be a voluntary thing some people did
> flabbergasted if a child isn't going. "But they'll fall behind! They won't
> be ready for school!" That attitude in society is very very sad.
>
as a way to get kids used to the idea of going to school. It was a chance for
children around the age of four to interact with others, usually two or three
hours a day, two or three days a week. Now children are sent to preschool
starting as young as two all day long, all week long. Then when they are
about four or so they go to pre-k. Many schools in our district have added
pre-k programs and the idea of adding pre-k as an actual grade to go through,
is being tossed around. I am astounded at all this so called *need for
children to have every chance at success in school* that has yanked them all
straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of the
teachers parking lot.
When I went to Oklahoma last week, I went with my sister to pick up her
daughter (2) from preschool. I stood at the door while she got my niece ready
to go and looked across the hall at the pre-k room. The teacher was trying to
have a lesson, she had a plate with plastic food on it. A hamburger, corn on
the cob and some other things like milk and juice. She asked the circle of
faces sitting before her where did all this food come from. The kid I liked
best said it was plastic not food and it came from the toy shelf. Of course
he was gently reprimanded and the question repeated. A little girl said you
get food from the grocery store, which caused an argument over which was a
better place to shop, Super-Wal-mart, Super-Target or some other store. Then
the teacher asked where the food came from before it was in the store.
Another little boy said his uncle brought the food in his truck, so the
teacher asked how it got on his truck to which the little guy said "They
loaded it up at the warehouse" The teacher still had a sweet smile on her
face, but you could tell she was frustrated. By the time they got to the idea
that hamburger and milk come from cows, and corn is grown in a field, and
what cows are was all explained the idea was lost on the kids. Some were
picking their noses, some were picking on each other, one was looking out the
window, and my sister says to me wasn't that lesson a good idea? Aren't those
kids lucky to have learned all that? I told her the kids were bored, didn't
care, and too young for those lessons anyway. She said they wouldn't have the
opportunity to learn about this elsewhere, it was the best thing they were in
preschool so they wouldn't be behind in kindergarten. We got into a
discussion about all this and it didn't go well. My sister finally ended it
by making a statement to me that just shocked me. She said "Public school was
good enough for me, it will be good enough for Isabelle." That was when I
realized where this attitude about how children should learn and be raised
comes from. I was so sad.
~Nancy
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[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 12:34:49 PM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of the
teachers parking lot. >>
I WISH!!!
Most of the kids in this country were bottlefed, and what percentage were put
in daycare at six or ten weeks?
If all the kids in the country were breastfed, I seriously doubt there would
BE so many teachers' parking lots.
Maybe bottle feeding was the first step paving the way (and the parking lot)
for "early childhood education."
Schools consciously try to separate kids from parents. If the separation
begins at birth, it's easier for the schools to do their job.
Nancy, this is a really powerful statement:
"...straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of the
teachers parking lot."
The windows leading to the teacher's parking lot where I went to high school
were painted brown. We couldn't even see the parking lot.
And about that food...
I think it's pretty cruel to talk to kids about lifesize REAL food and then
take them to the cafeteria and give them those itsy bitsy kid-lunches instead
of a hamburger and some corn on the cob, milk and juice!!
Sandra
<< straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of the
teachers parking lot. >>
I WISH!!!
Most of the kids in this country were bottlefed, and what percentage were put
in daycare at six or ten weeks?
If all the kids in the country were breastfed, I seriously doubt there would
BE so many teachers' parking lots.
Maybe bottle feeding was the first step paving the way (and the parking lot)
for "early childhood education."
Schools consciously try to separate kids from parents. If the separation
begins at birth, it's easier for the schools to do their job.
Nancy, this is a really powerful statement:
"...straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of the
teachers parking lot."
The windows leading to the teacher's parking lot where I went to high school
were painted brown. We couldn't even see the parking lot.
And about that food...
I think it's pretty cruel to talk to kids about lifesize REAL food and then
take them to the cafeteria and give them those itsy bitsy kid-lunches instead
of a hamburger and some corn on the cob, milk and juice!!
Sandra
Betsy
**My sister finally ended it by making a statement to me that just
shocked me. She said "Public school was
good enough for me, it will be good enough for Isabelle." That was when
I realized where this attitude about how children should learn and be
raised comes from. I was so sad.**
It sounds to me like she's saying more than "my mind is made up", it
sound like she's saying her mind is firmly closed.
Betsy
P.S. My brother said pretty much the same thing about preschool.
shocked me. She said "Public school was
good enough for me, it will be good enough for Isabelle." That was when
I realized where this attitude about how children should learn and be
raised comes from. I was so sad.**
It sounds to me like she's saying more than "my mind is made up", it
sound like she's saying her mind is firmly closed.
Betsy
P.S. My brother said pretty much the same thing about preschool.
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 3:07:42 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< She said "Public school was
good enough for me, it will be good enough for Isabelle." >>
Sounds like jealousy, too. And maybe some lack of willingness to examine her
own memories and awareness.
Sounds like most people. <g>
Sandra
<< She said "Public school was
good enough for me, it will be good enough for Isabelle." >>
Sounds like jealousy, too. And maybe some lack of willingness to examine her
own memories and awareness.
Sounds like most people. <g>
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 3:42:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
knew. Not to say I didn't know about formula, just that that wasn't what had
been used in my home growing up. What I didn't know was the push and pull of
the breast vs. bottle argument that is almost political in nature. I
breastfed both kids till they were three. I had a year where I was breast
feeding them both. I never thought about any link between breastfeeding and
sending kids off to school at younger and younger ages. But I see now, how my
choices to work the night shifts to avoid daycare, to breast feed longer than
convention, to have a family bed, all contributed to me finally deciding that
keeping the kids home was what I wanted. That sending them off to school
seemed pointless since they had already learned so much and had never set
foot into a preschool, daycare or school. I think that is why it was so hard
for me when Jack wanted to go to school last year. OTOH, Jack going to school
is what helped me find a name for all the weird things I was doing. <g> It
helped me be able to defend my choices to Darin's mother and others, and
myself.
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> << straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of theWhen I had Moly, I breast fed because my Mom had done it, and that is all I
> teachers parking lot. >>
>
> I WISH!!!
>
> Most of the kids in this country were bottlefed, and what percentage were
> put
> in daycare at six or ten weeks?
>
> If all the kids in the country were breastfed, I seriously doubt there
> would
> BE so many teachers' parking lots.
>
> Maybe bottle feeding was the first step paving the way (and the parking
> lot)
> for "early childhood education."
>
> Schools consciously try to separate kids from parents. If the separation
> begins at birth, it's easier for the schools to do their job.
>
> Nancy, this is a really powerful statement:
>
> "...straight from the breast right into four brick walls and a view of the
> teachers parking lot."
knew. Not to say I didn't know about formula, just that that wasn't what had
been used in my home growing up. What I didn't know was the push and pull of
the breast vs. bottle argument that is almost political in nature. I
breastfed both kids till they were three. I had a year where I was breast
feeding them both. I never thought about any link between breastfeeding and
sending kids off to school at younger and younger ages. But I see now, how my
choices to work the night shifts to avoid daycare, to breast feed longer than
convention, to have a family bed, all contributed to me finally deciding that
keeping the kids home was what I wanted. That sending them off to school
seemed pointless since they had already learned so much and had never set
foot into a preschool, daycare or school. I think that is why it was so hard
for me when Jack wanted to go to school last year. OTOH, Jack going to school
is what helped me find a name for all the weird things I was doing. <g> It
helped me be able to defend my choices to Darin's mother and others, and
myself.
~Nancy
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[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 4:57:16 PM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< When I had Moly, I breast fed because my Mom had done it, and that is all
I
knew. Not to say I didn't know about formula, just that that wasn't what had
been used in my home growing up. >>
LUCKY YOU! Lucky you to have been breastfed and to be able to do it smoothly
without having to learn out of a book or to face criticism from your mom
about it!
Sandra
<< When I had Moly, I breast fed because my Mom had done it, and that is all
I
knew. Not to say I didn't know about formula, just that that wasn't what had
been used in my home growing up. >>
LUCKY YOU! Lucky you to have been breastfed and to be able to do it smoothly
without having to learn out of a book or to face criticism from your mom
about it!
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 8:29:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
people who comment and even criticize the choices others make on issues such
as schooling choices, or even parenting styles. But breastfeeding? Why? Why
would someone criticize a mother for the way they choose to feed their child?
Thousands of years and that was the only option. Formula has only been around
for something like 100 years or so. I don't make comments to my friends who
choose to bottle feed. Why why why???
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> << When I had Moly, I breast fed because my Mom had done it, and that is allSee this is what I have never understood. I understand the mentality behind
> I
> knew. Not to say I didn't know about formula, just that that wasn't what
> had
> been used in my home growing up. >>
>
> LUCKY YOU! Lucky you to have been breastfed and to be able to do it
> smoothly
> without having to learn out of a book or to face criticism from your mom
> about it!
>
> Sandra
people who comment and even criticize the choices others make on issues such
as schooling choices, or even parenting styles. But breastfeeding? Why? Why
would someone criticize a mother for the way they choose to feed their child?
Thousands of years and that was the only option. Formula has only been around
for something like 100 years or so. I don't make comments to my friends who
choose to bottle feed. Why why why???
~Nancy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 8:19:45 PM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< Thousands of years and that was the only option. Formula has only been
around
for something like 100 years or so. I don't make comments to my friends who
choose to bottle feed. >>
People have been feeding babies artificially since at least the greek and
roman times. And there's a gravestone in England where they carved into
stone that the woman breastfed all her own children. Having wetnurses was
the big thing. They would even send babies away to the wetnurse's house.
It's not a new thing, unfortunately.
There were feeding cans in the 16th and 17th century, made of pewter. With
lead. And they didn't know about what was growing in there. People would
refill them with more milk (animal milk) and water and oatmeal and EEEEYEW!!!
No wonder the mortality rate was high. Those cans used to sit on low
shelves, like by the fire, and toddlers could come by and suck out of the
tube, which went down into the bottom, like a watering can. Like some of the
plastic cups at the grocery stores.
I was stunned when I read all that.
Sandra
<< Thousands of years and that was the only option. Formula has only been
around
for something like 100 years or so. I don't make comments to my friends who
choose to bottle feed. >>
People have been feeding babies artificially since at least the greek and
roman times. And there's a gravestone in England where they carved into
stone that the woman breastfed all her own children. Having wetnurses was
the big thing. They would even send babies away to the wetnurse's house.
It's not a new thing, unfortunately.
There were feeding cans in the 16th and 17th century, made of pewter. With
lead. And they didn't know about what was growing in there. People would
refill them with more milk (animal milk) and water and oatmeal and EEEEYEW!!!
No wonder the mortality rate was high. Those cans used to sit on low
shelves, like by the fire, and toddlers could come by and suck out of the
tube, which went down into the bottom, like a watering can. Like some of the
plastic cups at the grocery stores.
I was stunned when I read all that.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/1/02 10:10:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
breast milk. But I always assumed that formula was a post W.W. I invention.
My Grandma told me she used to make a formula out of condensed milk, water,
corn syrup and some other things. But I guess I assumed actual bottle
feedings from formula wasn't around pre twentieth century.
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> There were feeding cans in the 16th and 17th century, made of pewter. WithI had no idea! I knew about wet nurses, and always thought at least it was
> lead. And they didn't know about what was growing in there. People would
> refill them with more milk (animal milk) and water and oatmeal and
> EEEEYEW!!!
> No wonder the mortality rate was high. Those cans used to sit on low
> shelves, like by the fire, and toddlers could come by and suck out of the
> tube, which went down into the bottom, like a watering can. Like some of
> the
> plastic cups at the grocery stores.
>
> I was stunned when I read all that.
>
> Sandra
>
breast milk. But I always assumed that formula was a post W.W. I invention.
My Grandma told me she used to make a formula out of condensed milk, water,
corn syrup and some other things. But I guess I assumed actual bottle
feedings from formula wasn't around pre twentieth century.
~Nancy
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[email protected]
<<What gets me is that preschool used to be a voluntary thing some people
did
as a way to get kids used to the idea of going to school. >>
That is what KINDERGARTEN was supposed to be, what they tell us preschool
is for now. How much younger will they go in conditioning these babies
for entrance into the state system? I'm waiting to see the day the
public school system sends an agent into hospital delivery rooms in order
to affix the state's mark of ownership on newborns.
Kris
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as a way to get kids used to the idea of going to school. >>
That is what KINDERGARTEN was supposed to be, what they tell us preschool
is for now. How much younger will they go in conditioning these babies
for entrance into the state system? I'm waiting to see the day the
public school system sends an agent into hospital delivery rooms in order
to affix the state's mark of ownership on newborns.
Kris
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| That is what KINDERGARTEN was supposed to be, what they tell us
preschool
| is for now. How much younger will they go in conditioning
these babies
| for entrance into the state system? I'm waiting to see the day
the
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Tia Leschke
>Not just the schools. It seems to be all of society. I took Lars for some
>
>Schools consciously try to separate kids from parents. If the separation
>begins at birth, it's easier for the schools to do their job.
speech therapy when he was 3. I kept trying to tell them that he would
*not* speak to them at all if he was alone with them. I was just the
over-protective mother. I've seen this attitude in all kinds of medical
situations. (They did finally let me come in with him, but I'm sure they
believed he would be fine on his own.)
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Sue
I never thought about any link between breastfeeding and
sending kids off to school at younger and younger ages. But I see now, how
my
choices to work the night shifts to avoid daycare, to breast feed longer
than
convention, to have a family bed, all contributed to me finally deciding
that
keeping the kids home was what I wanted
when not supported by the mainstream. Currently I am tandem feeding my 21
month old dd an 4 in Oct ds and I am always being questioned about my
attachment philosophies.
I never thought about any link between breastfeeding and
supportive and encouraging of attachment philosophies such as the family
bed, extended breastfeeding and child-led weaning, non-punitive discipline
etc. how much more resistent people/parents would be to placing their
children into daycare, preschool and school! It was this attachment
philosophy that has led us as parents to unschooling our children. My son is
at the age of going to kindergarden/preschool but there is no way I could
imagine him giving up 'booby' for a constructed environment.
Sue
sending kids off to school at younger and younger ages. But I see now, how
my
choices to work the night shifts to avoid daycare, to breast feed longer
than
convention, to have a family bed, all contributed to me finally deciding
that
keeping the kids home was what I wanted
> the breast vs. bottle argument that is almost political in nature. II really admire women who do this as I know that it not always easy to do so
> breastfed both kids till they were three. I had a year where I was breast
> feeding them both.
when not supported by the mainstream. Currently I am tandem feeding my 21
month old dd an 4 in Oct ds and I am always being questioned about my
attachment philosophies.
I never thought about any link between breastfeeding and
> sending kids off to school at younger and younger ages. But I see now, howmy
> choices to work the night shifts to avoid daycare, to breast feed longerthan
> convention, to have a family bed, all contributed to me finally decidingthat
> keeping the kids home was what I wanted. That sending them off to schoolSame here. I wonder if whether the society we find ourselves in were more
supportive and encouraging of attachment philosophies such as the family
bed, extended breastfeeding and child-led weaning, non-punitive discipline
etc. how much more resistent people/parents would be to placing their
children into daycare, preschool and school! It was this attachment
philosophy that has led us as parents to unschooling our children. My son is
at the age of going to kindergarden/preschool but there is no way I could
imagine him giving up 'booby' for a constructed environment.
Sue
Sue
> People have been feeding babies artificially since at least the greek andI read awhile back that the World Health Organisation suggest the following
> roman times. And there's a gravestone in England where they carved into
> stone that the woman breastfed all her own children. Having wetnurses was
> the big thing. They would even send babies away to the wetnurse's house.
>
1) To breastfeed your child exclusively for the first 6 months before
introducing solids and then to breastfeed for at least 2 years.
and also (cut and paste)
Breast feeding is the best food choice for infants. Other choices, called
breast milk substitutes, are less good. The World Health Organisation ranks
baby feeding as follows:
1.. The best is breast feeding by mother
2.. The second choice is the mother's own milk which has been taken from
mother and fed to the infant
3.. The third choice is the milk of another human mother
4.. The fourth and last choice is formula baby milk
So a wet nurse/or milk from a wet nurse is acknowledged as being better than
formulae - I wish this was more well known in our community.
Sue
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In a message dated 7/2/02 11:08:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
werapfamily@... writes:
breastfed Jack until he was three and until he was four he would still climb
on my lap occasionally to nurse for comfort, or if he was particularly tired.
Moly quit entirely on her own at three. I have asked my doctor why this is
and he has told me some women still produce milk occasionally and since I
breastfed for so long with both kids it wasn't unusual. I have thought,
occasionally, about donating my milk to a bank for mothers who have premature
infants and can't keep up with the demands by pumping alone. There isn't one
here where I live though and I think that is very unfortunate
~Nancy
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werapfamily@... writes:
> I read awhile back that the World Health Organisation suggest the followingJack is six now and I still have milk. I think the reason is because I
>
> 1) To breastfeed your child exclusively for the first 6 months before
> introducing solids and then to breastfeed for at least 2 years.
>
> and also (cut and paste)
> Breast feeding is the best food choice for infants. Other choices, called
> breast milk substitutes, are less good. The World Health Organisation ranks
> baby feeding as follows:
>
> 1.. The best is breast feeding by mother
> 2.. The second choice is the mother's own milk which has been taken from
> mother and fed to the infant
> 3.. The third choice is the milk of another human mother
> 4.. The fourth and last choice is formula baby milk
> So a wet nurse/or milk from a wet nurse is acknowledged as being better than
> formulae - I wish this was more well known in our community.
>
> Sue
breastfed Jack until he was three and until he was four he would still climb
on my lap occasionally to nurse for comfort, or if he was particularly tired.
Moly quit entirely on her own at three. I have asked my doctor why this is
and he has told me some women still produce milk occasionally and since I
breastfed for so long with both kids it wasn't unusual. I have thought,
occasionally, about donating my milk to a bank for mothers who have premature
infants and can't keep up with the demands by pumping alone. There isn't one
here where I live though and I think that is very unfortunate
~Nancy
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[email protected]
In a message dated 7/3/02 1:16:46 AM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< I have thought,
occasionally, about donating my milk to a bank for mothers who have premature
infants and can't keep up with the demands by pumping alone. >>
Preemies need newborn milk, though, and it's very different.
I wonder if the milk of a new mother, though, mixed with the waterier milk of
toddlers wouldn't still be way better than ANY formula. Probably so.
Sandra
<< I have thought,
occasionally, about donating my milk to a bank for mothers who have premature
infants and can't keep up with the demands by pumping alone. >>
Preemies need newborn milk, though, and it's very different.
I wonder if the milk of a new mother, though, mixed with the waterier milk of
toddlers wouldn't still be way better than ANY formula. Probably so.
Sandra
[email protected]
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:22:37 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
under 12 months old.
I have a friend who started a milk bank in Texas...
Dar
>Milk banks generally only accept donated milk from women nursing a child
> In a message dated 7/3/02 1:16:46 AM, Dnowens@... writes:
>
> << I have thought,
> occasionally, about donating my milk to a bank for mothers who have
> premature
> infants and can't keep up with the demands by pumping alone. >>
>
> Preemies need newborn milk, though, and it's very different.
under 12 months old.
I have a friend who started a milk bank in Texas...
Dar
[email protected]
In a message dated 7/3/02 10:22:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
freeform@... writes:
~Nancy
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freeform@... writes:
> Milk banks generally only accept donated milk from women nursing a childGood to know! At least I don't feel guilty now, letting it "go to waste." <g>
> under 12 months old.
>
> I have a friend who started a milk bank in Texas...
>
> Dar
>
~Nancy
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Sue
> << I have thought,premature
> occasionally, about donating my milk to a bank for mothers who have
> infants and can't keep up with the demands by pumping alone. >>of
>
> Preemies need newborn milk, though, and it's very different.
>
> I wonder if the milk of a new mother, though, mixed with the waterier milk
> toddlers wouldn't still be way better than ANY formula. Probably so.Recently someone we new had a prem bubs and a few of us mothers offered our
milk but the hospital refused on the grounds of liabilty of lawsuite. One
thing I do know is that mothers who have pre babies produce milk that is
more conducent (I think that is the word!) to the babies needs. More
essential nutritions that a prem bubs would need and would get if still in
the womb. We women have amazing abilities don't we.
Sue