Fetteroll

What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
they're ready to move on from home? Not just what's different from schooling
(though that too) but what you hope they'll have had the freedom to acquire
on their own having lived this way. And how do you plan to help that along?

(I'm fishing for help with my conference talk ;-) Though I really need to
make myself answer this question!)

Joyce

rumpleteasermom

Joyce,

We got into unschooling accidentally and before we even knew there was
a name for it. So I can't say I went in to it with this goal in mind.

But the most important thing for me has been helping them find out who
they are. When I was in school, I was the kid that got picked on all
the time. Funny thing is I loved school, I just couldn't stand most
of the other kids. So what I wanted for my girls from the very
beginning was for them not to have to face what I did in school.

I think unschooling has helped them develop their own true
personalities from the beginning. I didn't know who I was until I got
to college. My own personality was hidden by many things
including a fear of rejection, a need to fit in, the belief that I was
too weird to let it out, etc. My girls on the other hand, have loads
of self-confidence and self-awareness. If I had to point to one
benefit of unschooling, that would be the one I would pick most
definitely.

Socialization aside - - from a learning standpoint unschooling has
worked for us. My girls know lots of stuff abouthistory and science
that I learned sometime in school but forgot right after the test.
They won't forget because they learned by seeing it in context or
because they wanted to or because it was in something else they were
working on and it related. I think that our schools are so set on
everyone learning a set core of stuff that they have forgotten that
once we reach adulthood, we each need different things. Unschooling
allows the mechanics among us to focus on cars and the astronomers to
focus on the stars.

Bridget



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Fetteroll <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the
time
> they're ready to move on from home? Not just what's different from
schooling
> (though that too) but what you hope they'll have had the freedom to
acquire
> on their own having lived this way. And how do you plan to help that
along?
>
> (I'm fishing for help with my conference talk ;-) Though I really
need to
> make myself answer this question!)
>
> Joyce

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In a message dated 5/15/02 6:54:47 AM, fetteroll@... writes:

<< What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
they're ready to move on from home? >>

The knowledge that no knowledge is inaccessible to them.

Tia Leschke

>What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
>they're ready to move on from home? Not just what's different from schooling
>(though that too) but what you hope they'll have had the freedom to acquire
>on their own having lived this way. And how do you plan to help that along?

I want him to be able to look after himself and whatever home he lives
in. In other words, the basics like cooking, laundry, hygiene,
house-cleaning. I want him to be able to support himself (and hopefully a
family) doing work he loves. And I want him to have at least some
understanding of how relationships work, friends, mate, kids, etc.

He seems pretty well on his way with the first, as I've gradually "allowed"
him to take on his laundry, some of his cooking, etc. He knows how to look
after himself when he gets sick, etc.

He knows several jobs in the silviculture field already . . . and knows he
doesn't want to do that for a living. <g> I just keep my eyes open for
any kind of job he might like doing, looking for apprenticeship
opportunities or whatever. I'm pretty sure he'll find at least one thing
he really likes that pays decently.

Hopefully we've modelled relationships reasonably well for him, though it's
hard to help a shy, non-talker with that. (And I wish I had done a better
job of labelling emotions for him when he was little. My daughter is
really good at doing that with her kids.)
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

vivrh

>What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
>they're ready to move on from home?

Funny that this topic has come up as I was just talking to my Mom about this the other day. Since we have been homeschooling I had told her my goal was to get both of my children away from public school. Now that we are unschooling my goals are different. (And I have never told her that I stopped using a curriculum.)
I want my kids to be able to learn anything they want. I want them to be able to know how and where to look things up and figure them out.I want my kids to be happy, healthy, productive people. I am hoping that they will be compelled to become Christians like their Dad and I. Most of all, I feel as though I am giving them a gift with unschooling. It is the gift of freedom, the freedom to be children and to play to their hearts content.
That is a great question.
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy

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Jon and Rue Kream

I hope they'll have a strong sense of self, inner peace, deep relationships,
and a desire to live joyfully. So far, so good :0). ~Rue
-----Original Message-----
From: Fetteroll [mailto:fetteroll@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Goals for unschooling


What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
they're ready to move on from home? Not just what's different from schooling
(though that too) but what you hope they'll have had the freedom to acquire
on their own having lived this way. And how do you plan to help that along?

(I'm fishing for help with my conference talk ;-) Though I really need to
make myself answer this question!)

Joyce


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On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:54:51 -0400 Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
writes:
> What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the
> time
> they're ready to move on from home?

I want her to know what makes her happy, and feel that she has the right
to be happy, and know how to get what she needs to be happy.

That's it.

Dar

Tia Leschke

>
>But the most important thing for me has been helping them find out who
>they are. When I was in school, I was the kid that got picked on all
>the time. Funny thing is I loved school, I just couldn't stand most
>of the other kids. So what I wanted for my girls from the very
>beginning was for them not to have to face what I did in school.
>
>I think unschooling has helped them develop their own true
>personalities from the beginning. I didn't know who I was until I got
>to college. My own personality was hidden by many things
>including a fear of rejection, a need to fit in, the belief that I was
>too weird to let it out, etc.

Wow Bridget. Do you *ever* sound like me. I was also the picked on kid,
and my fear of rejection is something I'm *still* working on.
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

Lucie Caunter

Well put. I too loved school and couldn't stand other kids. I felt a lot
of other kids were very cruel to each other. The people, students and
teachers, always seemed to find this situation normal. It was believed that
verbal abuses make you strong and better prepare you for "real life".
Later on I taught elementary grades briefly. I saw a difference in attitude
between the just started kindergarten children and the 3rd grader. I left
teaching shortly before starting a family. Over the years, I had time to
reflect on the controversy of such frame of mind. I didn't want my children
to be exposed to PS socialisation, especially not before they can reason the
difference between just and unjust behaviours.
The other problem I had with Ps was the way knowledge was delivered. I went
to school with an insatiable thirst for knowledge. I felt thirsty, most of
the time, until I finally left schooling as we know it. I wanted my sons to
have access to any leaning opportunity the minute they wanted such access.
Learning from home using the whole world made more sense to me. When we
started home schooling, I didn't want to use the schooling methods in our
home, only some of the school resource centre. Later on I read about
unschooling and realised it fits more what we've been doing all these years
than homeschooling .
Friendship,
Lucie, may be a veteran Unschooler from Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: rumpleteasermom <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Goals for unschooling


> Joyce,
>
> We got into unschooling accidentally and before we even knew there was
> a name for it. So I can't say I went in to it with this goal in mind.
>
> But the most important thing for me has been helping them find out who
> they are. When I was in school, I was the kid that got picked on all
> the time. Funny thing is I loved school, I just couldn't stand most
> of the other kids. So what I wanted for my girls from the very
> beginning was for them not to have to face what I did in school.
>
> I think unschooling has helped them develop their own true
> personalities from the beginning. I didn't know who I was until I got
> to college. My own personality was hidden by many things
> including a fear of rejection, a need to fit in, the belief that I was
> too weird to let it out, etc. My girls on the other hand, have loads
> of self-confidence and self-awareness. If I had to point to one
> benefit of unschooling, that would be the one I would pick most
> definitely.
>
> Socialization aside - - from a learning standpoint unschooling has
> worked for us. My girls know lots of stuff abouthistory and science
> that I learned sometime in school but forgot right after the test.
> They won't forget because they learned by seeing it in context or
> because they wanted to or because it was in something else they were
> working on and it related. I think that our schools are so set on
> everyone learning a set core of stuff that they have forgotten that
> once we reach adulthood, we each need different things. Unschooling
> allows the mechanics among us to focus on cars and the astronomers to
> focus on the stars.
>
> Bridget
>
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Fetteroll <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> > What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the
> time
> > they're ready to move on from home? Not just what's different from
> schooling
> > (though that too) but what you hope they'll have had the freedom to
> acquire
> > on their own having lived this way. And how do you plan to help that
> along?
> >
> > (I'm fishing for help with my conference talk ;-) Though I really
> need to
> > make myself answer this question!)
> >
> > Joyce
>
>
>
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Diane

I want them to know themselves and the world, so that they'll be able to support
themselves doing something they like, not just "the rat race" and if they stop
liking it, they'll know how to do something else.

:-) Diane
currently dissatisfied with what I'm doing, but don't know what I *would* like
(that would support us).


> >What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
> >they're ready to move on from home? Not just what's different from schooling
> >(though that too) but what you hope they'll have had the freedom to acquire
> >on their own having lived this way. And how do you plan to help that along?

Dena Lambert

Through unschooling, I hope that my children will have the freedom to realize who they really are. I want them to think for themselves and be comfortable expressing their ideas and opinions without fear of ridicule or judgement. Whatever they decide to do with their lives, I hope they will make enough money to support themselves and/or their families, but mostly I hope they never know what it feels like to dread getting up every morning.
When I finished high school, I couldn't get away from that place fast enough. I was so relieved that my "learning days" were behind me so that I could be free to live my life. I still feel like so much time was wasted and at almost 30 years old, I still don't feel like I know who I really am! If my children don't see their childhood as a waste and if they don't see any difference in learning and living, then I will feel like our unschooling endeavor was a success.
As I was thinking about how to answer this question, I was able to see how far away from the schoolish mentality I've already gotten in this short period of time. Thanks!!

Take care,
Dena

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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:55 AM
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Goals for unschooling

What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
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kayb85

First and foremost, that they love the Lord their God with all their
hearts, soul, mind and strength.

That they are comfortable and happy being the person who God made
them to be. That they are able and willing to use their God-given
strengths and abilities for His glory. That they like to explore
God's Creation and figure things out. That they are strong in
following through on their convictions and that they stand up for
what they believe in.

Sheila


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Fetteroll <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the
time
> they're ready to move on from home?

Beth Ali

>What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
>they're ready to move on from home?

The other day my 3.5 yr old asked me if he could go to school. I told him
that he was lucky in that he won't be going to school, but will get to stay
home, be with friends, play and learn anything HE wants to learn, not be
forced to learn something that a teacher wants him to learn. So I guess
FREEDOM is the goal. Freedom of choice to learn what they want to, freedom
to study, play, grow and self-educate in any way that works for them.
Freedom to be whomever they are meant to be without the constant negative
feedback from peers or adults who may or may not like them.

Beth

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Sheila,
Please understand I am not trying to insult you I just have a question.
What if they come to believe that a non-religious way of life is more suited
to their individual beliefs?
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein

mary krzyzanowski

to have happy, confident young adults who know they are able to pursue their
dreams.
Mary-NY


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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Goals for unschooling
>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:46:12 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 5/15/02 6:54:47 AM, fetteroll@... writes:
>
><< What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
>they're ready to move on from home? >>
>
>The knowledge that no knowledge is inaccessible to them.




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mary krzyzanowski

I was the picked on kid in school too. That, and my dh's not too fond
memories of school are a major reason we began homeschooling and then
changed to unschooling. Another was school size, the school has 5
kindergarten classes alone. Once, we were there (my dd's Scout troop met
there) and I asked a teacher for help finding the room. She had to use a
MAP to find the room!! Luckily, our neighbors homeschooled otherwise, I
wouldn't have thought it was legal where you have access to public schools.
Mary-NY

>From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Goals for unschooling
>Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:22:18 -0700
>
>
> >
> >But the most important thing for me has been helping them find out who
> >they are. When I was in school, I was the kid that got picked on all
> >the time. Funny thing is I loved school, I just couldn't stand most
> >of the other kids. So what I wanted for my girls from the very
> >beginning was for them not to have to face what I did in school.
> >
> >I think unschooling has helped them develop their own true
> >personalities from the beginning. I didn't know who I was until I got
> >to college. My own personality was hidden by many things
> >including a fear of rejection, a need to fit in, the belief that I was
> >too weird to let it out, etc.
>
>Wow Bridget. Do you *ever* sound like me. I was also the picked on kid,
>and my fear of rejection is something I'm *still* working on.
>Tia
>
>No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
>Eleanor Roosevelt
>*********************************************
>Tia Leschke
>leschke@...
>On Vancouver Island
>
>
>
>
>




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In a message dated 5/15/02 9:47:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<<
What do you hope your kids will have gotten from unschooling by the time
they're ready to move on from home? >>

My main goal was that their sense of self would be so strongly intact that
the world could not rob their joy, their uniqueness and their natural
curiosity. Beyond that......
That the status quo will not matter so much to them as what is good and
right. That they would have a deep seated knowledge in their hearts that
they are intelligent, capable human beings and can learn anything they wish.
A sense of wonder so awesome that they will never quit seeing how magical the
world truly is. Be idealistic tempered with realistic.
Spirituality that flows naturally and freely from a loving heart and kindness
rare.
The ability to follow their dreams and goals, whatever those may be.

"And how do you plan to help that along?"

It humbles me to think about this. I came out of HS battered emotionally, not
knowing who I was or what I really wanted. And 15 years later, I am spouting
of ideals for my children that I couldn't have dreamed of at the time.
I will help that along by becoming a better person myself.
By reading, watching, searching and regaining that sense of wonder (they've
helped me do this already). By delving deep into questions and not pretending
like I know more than them. By being willing to set everything aside, change
plans midstream and go off in a new direction when necessary. By listening
carefully and responding appropriately.
By respecting these amazing beings I've been entrusted with and the inner
knowledge they already posess.
By dialoguing with them, these matters of the heart and showing love to the
earth and my fellow human beings.
By filling my home with books, movies, music, instruments, nature, toys, art
materials and whatever oddities my children bring home.
By taking them to the places they want to go and ones they never knew
existed. By fixing them new and exciting foods from other countries and
making trips to the grocery store an adventure.
By making every day an adventure, by my attitude, every mundane chore or
daily activity sacred by how I approach it.
Healing myself has definitely been the most important step in assisting these
worthy individuals in their unschooling journey. I have learned much from
them, thank the heavens they came here to teach me.
Ren

kayb85

If my children don't accept Christ as their Lord and Savior and make
Him first in their lives, I have failed as a parent. I can't take any
material posession with me when I die, but I do hope that my children
will be with me in heaven some day.
Sheila

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
> Sheila,
> Please understand I am not trying to insult you I just have a
question.
> What if they come to believe that a non-religious way of life is
more suited
> to their individual beliefs?
> ~Elissa Cleaveland
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of
instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A.
Einstein

vivrh

Well said and I COMPLETELY agree. I am raising and unschooling my children to love the Lord. I can see that so far they do and for that blessing I am thankful and praise Jesus.
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy

**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***


----- Original Message -----
From: kayb85
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:52 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Goals for unschooling


If my children don't accept Christ as their Lord and Savior and make
Him first in their lives, I have failed as a parent. I can't take any
material posession with me when I die, but I do hope that my children
will be with me in heaven some day.
Sheila

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
> Sheila,
> Please understand I am not trying to insult you I just have a
question.
> What if they come to believe that a non-religious way of life is
more suited
> to their individual beliefs?
> ~Elissa Cleaveland
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of
instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A.
Einstein


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