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scrunchy

How do I account for 3-4 hours of Lego car, and building
designing/building time? MayI call this Science? My son was in the mood
to do this today and spent figured out on his own how to connect walls
without uing a base. Too much thinking and problem solving went on to
consider it idle time.
Norma

Vaughnde Edwards

Yes...consider it science and construction/drafting/geometry base.
 
Vaughnde Lee
Missoula, Montana
http://www.stampinbookworm.eboard.com
-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:21 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] I have a question

    How do I account for 3-4 hours of Lego car, and building
designing/building time? MayI call this Science? My son was in the mood
to do this today and spent figured out on his own how to connect walls
without uing a base. Too much thinking and problem solving went on to
consider it idle time.
Norma




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In a message dated 4/15/01 2:21:45 PM, scrunchy@... writes:

<< How do I account for 3-4 hours of Lego car, and building
designing/building time? MayI call this Science? My son was in the mood
to do this today and spent figured out on his own how to connect walls
without uing a base. Too much thinking and problem solving went on to
consider it idle time. >>

How old is he and to whom are you needing to account?

It's as much or more math than science, but soon you won't see such a
difference between math and science, I bet. Depending what he was intending
as he worked, or what he was doing, it could also be history or language
arts. Was he singing? Talking to himself about a totally unrelated topic?
Was there a movie or music on at the same time? Was he sculpting or just
engineering?

Sandra

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You may call it whatever you like.

Science, math, art, geometry, abstract thinking, pattern creation, logic,
color coordination, bridge and stucture building, architecture, reading (the
book where he got the idea to build the castle or whatever it was), history
(the book about the castle), space travel (that's what it reminds me of), etc.

What would he call it, I wonder?

Hey, all we did was goof off here today -- we found eggs and ate too much
candy!

I wonder what I should call that????

Home-economics, health, holidays/history, reproduction/science (there were
eggs!), art (dyeing the eggs -- hey, there were stickers too!!) . .

Anyway, Legos are cool, I think, because they expand into so many things
beyond the picture on the box.  Which has become a few big tupperware-type
tubs with all these different Legos jumbled together so who knows what they
will be next.

Nance




In a message dated 04/15/2001 8:21:52 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
scrunchy@... writes:


How do I account for 3-4 hours of Lego car, and building
designing/building time? MayI call this Science? My son was in the mood
to do this today and spent figured out on his own how to connect walls
without uing a base. Too much thinking and problem solving went on to
consider it idle time.
Norma





scrunchy

Yes...consider it science and construction/drafting/geometry base.
 
Vaughnde Lee
I have been leaning toward counting it as a bit of Math/Science because of the solid geometry aspect.
Norma

Juli

Well, Marmee was a pretty radical existentialist (or
at least Alcott's mom, who Marmee was modelled after
was) and I'll bet Joan Baez has her gentle, nurturing
side. So you must be a mix of both! Maybe we all are!
:) Juli

>>> I don't know if you will be familiar with
these two women, especially
the second, but a major part of me wants to be like
Marmie in Little Women
and another part of me wants to be like Joan Baez, the
60s (and onward) folk
protest singer who marched with Martin Luther King and
has spoken out very >>>

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scrunchy

How old is he and to whom are you needing to account?

It's as much or more math than science, but soon you
won't see such a 
difference between math and science, I bet.  Depending
what he was intending 
as he worked, or what he was doing, it could also be
history or language 
arts.  Was he singing?  Talking to himself about a
totally unrelated topic?  
Was there a movie or music on at the same time?  Was he
sculpting or just 
engineering?

Sandra
He is 9, almost 10.
We are required to keep a log of shool type activities in our State. We live in Mo. My motivation is that the amount of work he was putting into it should go toward school hours.
He had an imaginary setting he had created. He was making up a story about what the cars were to be used for, and was designing a building to go along with the story line. When I asked how he was doing, he told me all about it in great detail.  When he plays with Legos, he typically does this.  I am thinking as I answer you that I could also use it  as Language Arts.
There was no music or TV on at that time. It just worked out that way today.
I am beginning to see what you mean about there not being much of a difference between Math and Science. The reasoning/logic skills are similar. As he gets older, it is hard to tell how to separate them. It gets to be a real judgement call. My rule of thumb is that if in doubt, I give him credit for both.
I asked him what he thought itwas and he said he thinks it should be both science and math. The science is "how it will hold together and the math is "how it will do it." I understand what he saying because I heard him thinking out loud while he was designing the building and analyzing the shapes of the Legos and their geometric  relationships.
What do you think?
Norma

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In a message dated 4/15/01 6:57:55 PM, scrunchy@... writes:

<< As he gets older, it is hard to tell how to separate them. It
gets to be a real judgement call. My rule of thumb is that if in doubt,
I give him credit for both. >>

ALWAYS give credit for both. If he's listening to music while he's doing
something you intend to count as math, count it as both.

You should be able to find some unschoolers in Missouri and see how they are
keeping records. You shouldn't have to keep a by-the-hour log longterm.
When you get more comfortable with unschooling you'll relax and summarize, I
bet.

Sandra

Johanna

Let's see, your son created the story line(language arts, drama), he designed the set, (Science, engineering), built the set (mathermatics, sequencing, construction), and he explained it all to you(verbal expression, analyitical thinking and socialization). Sounds like a pretty "educational " day to me.
Johanna
 
"Our hunger to be bigger than we are could be just delusions of grandeur or it could be the very voice of God inside calling us to a larger inheritance, to a bigger stake in reality, to a truer sense of our identity as the sons and daughters of God." Bruce Larson
----- Original Message -----
From: scrunchy
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:49 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] I have a question

How old is he and to whom are you needing to account?

It's as much or more math than science, but soon you
won't see such a 
difference between math and science, I bet.  Depending
what he was intending 
as he worked, or what he was doing, it could also be
history or language 
arts.  Was he singing?  Talking to himself about a
totally unrelated topic?  
Was there a movie or music on at the same time?  Was he
sculpting or just 
engineering?

Sandra
He is 9, almost 10.
We are required to keep a log of shool type activities in our State. We live in Mo. My motivation is that the amount of work he was putting into it should go toward school hours.
He had an imaginary setting he had created. He was making up a story about what the cars were to be used for, and was designing a building to go along with the story line. When I asked how he was doing, he told me all about it in great detail.  When he plays with Legos, he typically does this.  I am thinking as I answer you that I could also use it  as Language Arts.
There was no music or TV on at that time. It just worked out that way today.
I am beginning to see what you mean about there not being much of a difference between Math and Science. The reasoning/logic skills are similar. As he gets older, it is hard to tell how to separate them. It gets to be a real judgement call. My rule of thumb is that if in doubt, I give him credit for both.
I asked him what he thought itwas and he said he thinks it should be both science and math. The science is "how it will hold together and the math is "how it will do it." I understand what he saying because I heard him thinking out loud while he was designing the building and analyzing the shapes of the Legos and their geometric  relationships.
What do you think?
Norma

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Lynda

Joan Baez is one of the most quiet and serene women I ever met. She was
around Berkeley during the time a lot of us were hanging out there (SLA and
Alcatraz time) and she was just one of the group, no "star" thing at all.
She had an aura of serenity that is hard to explain since she also seemed to
be totally energized by her beliefs. I suppose I am clear as mud as usual
<g>

Lynda
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 5:46 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Marmee and Joan Baez


> Well, Marmee was a pretty radical existentialist (or
> at least Alcott's mom, who Marmee was modelled after
> was) and I'll bet Joan Baez has her gentle, nurturing
> side. So you must be a mix of both! Maybe we all are!
> :) Juli
>
> >>> I don't know if you will be familiar with
> these two women, especially
> the second, but a major part of me wants to be like
> Marmie in Little Women
> and another part of me wants to be like Joan Baez, the
> 60s (and onward) folk
> protest singer who marched with Martin Luther King and
> has spoken out very >>>
>
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>
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**I am beginning to see what you mean about there not being much of a
difference between Math and Science.

Math is the language of science.

Tracy Oldfield

> Let's see, your son created the story line(language arts, drama), he
> designed the set, (Science, engineering), built the set (mathermatics,
> sequencing, construction), and he explained it all to you(verbal
> expression, analyitical thinking and socialization). Sounds like a
> pretty "educational " day to me. Johanna
>
I'd add Art in here, (well, design, anyway...) but then I watch too
many home makeover shows...

Tracy

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scrunchy@... writes:


We are required to keep a log of shool type activities in our State. We live
in Mo. My motivation is that the amount of work he was putting into it
should go toward school hours.



Just call it Monday instead of Sunday -- we'll never tell!  :)

Nance

Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall

>He had an imaginary setting he had created. He was making up a story
>about what the cars were to be used for, and was designing a building to >go along with the story line. When I asked how he was doing, he told me >all about it in great detail. .........not being much of a >difference between Math and Science. The reasoning/logic skills are >similar. ..............I heard >him thinking out loud while he was designing the building and analyzing >the shapes of the Legos and their geometric relationships.
>Norma

It sounds to me a whole heck of a lot like the math and science national competitions that the National Society of Professional Engineers hosts for kids every year. One project that a friend of ours was doing the judging for involved the kids creating futuristic city designs and models.

Nanci K.

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Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall

>Joan Baez is one of the most quiet and serene women I ever >met. .....She had an aura of serenity that is hard to explain since >she also seemed to be totally energized by her beliefs. I suppose I >am clear as mud as usual.
>Lynda

I understand, because I have met her as well. I grew up in San Francisco.

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I'd say go with his assessment of the situation. Most kids are more realistic about alot of things than we realize.
 
Vaughnde Lee
Missoula, Montana
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-----Original Message-----
From: scrunchy <scrunchy@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, April 15, 2001 6:45 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] I have a question

How old is he and to whom are you needing to account?

It's as much or more math than science, but soon you
won't see such a 
difference between math and science, I bet.  Depending
what he was intending 
as he worked, or what he was doing, it could also be
history or language 
arts.  Was he singing?  Talking to himself about a
totally unrelated topic?  
Was there a movie or music on at the same time?  Was he
sculpting or just 
engineering?

Sandra
He is 9, almost 10.
We are required to keep a log of shool type activities in our State. We live in Mo. My motivation is that the amount of work he was putting into it should go toward school hours.
He had an imaginary setting he had created. He was making up a story about what the cars were to be used for, and was designing a building to go along with the story line. When I asked how he was doing, he told me all about it in great detail.  When he plays with Legos, he typically does this.  I am thinking as I answer you that I could also use it  as Language Arts.
There was no music or TV on at that time. It just worked out that way today.
I am beginning to see what you mean about there not being much of a difference between Math and Science. The reasoning/logic skills are similar. As he gets older, it is hard to tell how to separate them. It gets to be a real judgement call. My rule of thumb is that if in doubt, I give him credit for both.
I asked him what he thought itwas and he said he thinks it should be both science and math. The science is "how it will hold together and the math is "how it will do it." I understand what he saying because I heard him thinking out loud while he was designing the building and analyzing the shapes of the Legos and their geometric  relationships.
What do you think?
Norma

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scrunchy

Anyway, Legos are cool, I think, because they expand into so many things 
beyond the picture on the box.  Which has become a few big tupperware-type 
tubs with all these different Legos jumbled together so who knows what they 
will be next. 

Nance
I know what you mean. We have lot of  them in some Tupperware and Rubbermaid conatiners that are out to the original boxes. They lead to so many adventures. I enjoy playing with them as much as my son does.
  
Hey, all we did was goof off here today -- we found eggs and ate too much 
candy!
Don't let me kid you, we had a relaxing day too. We had an Easter/Birthday celebration at my Mother-in Law's house on Saturday and ate too much, including candy. Yesterday we all goofed off for a large part of the day. My son chose Legos while I surfed on the internet and my husband took a turn playing an adventure game on the Playstation.
Norma
 

scrunchy

Well, Marmee was a pretty radical existentialist (or
at least Alcott's mom, who Marmee was modelled after
was) and I'll bet Joan Baez has her gentle, nurturing
side. So you must be a mix of both! Maybe we all are!
:) Juli
I know I am a bit of both. I admire both of them.
Norma

Lynda

I wouldn't think that there would be problems with Legos since they are now
selling them in unit study kits for inventions, engineering and physics or
chemistry or both, don't remember which.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:29 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] I have a question


> >He had an imaginary setting he had created. He was making up a story
> >about what the cars were to be used for, and was designing a building to
>go along with the story line. When I asked how he was doing, he told me
>all about it in great detail. .........not being much of a >difference
between Math and Science. The reasoning/logic skills are >similar.
..............I heard >him thinking out loud while he was designing the
building and analyzing >the shapes of the Legos and their geometric
relationships.
> >Norma
>
> It sounds to me a whole heck of a lot like the math and science national
competitions that the National Society of Professional Engineers hosts for
kids every year. One project that a friend of ours was doing the judging
for involved the kids creating futuristic city designs and models.
>
> Nanci K.
>
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scrunchy

You should be able to find some unschoolers in Missouri
and see how they are 
keeping records.  You shouldn't have to keep a
by-the-hour log longterm.  
When you get more comfortable with unschooling you'll
relax and summarize, I 
bet.

Sandra
I know you are right about relaxing... Unschooling is definitely the way to go for us. I will also  feel better when we start the summer and I have all year to make sure I meet the state's requirements. My concern is that since I pulled him out of school  in the middle of the year that I want to have all of my bases covered. I have talked with some homeschoolers in our area who have given me a bit of help in the are of recording. I am still learning how to translate our everyday activities into educationalese.
Norma

Lynda

Kool!!! Small world! I was born there and my grandmother was born there
during the '06 quake. Parents unknown and found on a park bench. Sure put
a stick in the spokes of geneology mania <g>

Lynda
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:44 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Marmee and Joan Baez


> >Joan Baez is one of the most quiet and serene women I ever >met.
.....She had an aura of serenity that is hard to explain since >she also
seemed to be totally energized by her beliefs. I suppose I >am clear as mud
as usual.
> >Lynda
>
> I understand, because I have met her as well. I grew up in San Francisco.
>
> Nanci K.
>
>
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scrunchy

Let's see, your son created the story line(language arts,
drama), he designed the set, (Science, engineering), built the
set (mathermatics, sequencing, construction), and he
explained it all to you(verbal expression, analyitical thinking
and socialization). Sounds like a pretty "educational " day to
me.
Johanna
It was definitley educational even though that wasn't the intent. We were all taking some much needed relaxing time. We decided that we all needed some time to ourselves. The only limit for all of us was "No TV."
Norma

scrunchy

You are right.  Math and Science are his favorite things to do.
Norma

DACunefare@... wrote:

 
**I am beginning to see what you mean about there not being much of a
difference between Math and Science.

Math is the language of science.
 
 

scrunchy

That makes sense, because of the way he was approaching the design. It had to look a certain way to suit him.
Norma

Tracy Oldfield wrote:

> Let's see, your son created the story line(language arts, drama), he
> designed the set, (Science, engineering), built the set (mathermatics,
> sequencing, construction), and he explained it all to you(verbal
> expression, analyitical thinking and socialization). Sounds like a
> pretty "educational " day to me. Johanna
>
I'd add Art in here, (well, design, anyway...)  but then I watch too
many home makeover shows...

Tracy

scrunchy

I am glad. :)
It sounds crazy to some, but more learning seems to happens on the weekends than during the week. We have talked about it and can't figure out why.
Norma 
In a message dated 04/16/2001 12:58:15 AM !!!First Boot!!!, 
scrunchy@... writes: 


   We are required to keep a log of shool type activities in our State. We live 
   in Mo. My motivation is that the amount of work he was putting into it 
   should go toward school hours. 




Just call it Monday instead of Sunday -- we'll never tell!  :) 

Nance

scrunchy

It sounds to me a whole heck of a lot like the math and
science national competitions that the National Society
of Professional Engineers hosts for kids every year.  One
project that a friend of ours was doing the judging for
involved the kids creating futuristic city designs and
models.  

Nanci K.
Those sound like fun and right up his alley. I want to, but won't mention something like that to him just yet. He is still de-schooling and is still skittish of any thing formally related to learning.
Norma

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In a message dated 04/16/2001 4:54:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
scrunchy@... writes:


It was definitley educational even though that wasn't the intent.



Darn kids!  They keep on learning don't they??  :)  No matter how little I do
they keep making things and doing things and seeing things.  It's amazing.

Today is kind of a jolt back to reality here -- we have an actual lesson!! to
get to -- piano.  I think this will require ice cream cones all around.  :)

Nance

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In a message dated 04/16/2001 5:13:20 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
scrunchy@... writes:


It sounds crazy to some, but more learning seems to happens on the weekends
than during the week.




I know exactly what you mean!

Nance

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In a message dated 4/16/01 10:54:02 AM, scrunchy@... writes:

<< It was definitley educational even though that wasn't the intent. We
were all taking some much needed relaxing time. >>

Unschooling won't be reached without giving up on the intent to be
educational.

The sooner a family combines life and learning (by no longer marking or
looking for "learning time" the sooner they will see learning in all of life).

Sandra