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I'm new to this list, and though I admit I'm not much of an unschooler, I
also admit that I admire you folks tremendously -- envy may be a better word
-- and hope that I am creeping your direction more and more each day.

I have a question: Do any of you have teenagers whose intention is to attend
college? And if so, what are they doing in the way of preparation, i.e.,
transcripts, portfolios, etc.? Are any of you in California and are your kids
planning on going to college here?

In the meantime I'll check the archives.

Sincerely,

Bob Sale


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rumpleteasermom

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., rsale515@c... wrote:

>
> I have a question: Do any of you have teenagers whose intention is
to attend
> college? And if so, what are they doing in the way of preparation,
i.e.,
> transcripts, portfolios, etc.? Are any of you in California and are
your kids
> planning on going to college here?
>
> In the meantime I'll check the archives.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Sale
>

Rachel intends to go to college. She isn't relaly doing much except
taking the ACT but that is because we know that here chosen college
takes just about anyone.

Bridget

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In a message dated 4/24/2002 8:46:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rumpleteasermom@... writes:


> She isn't relaly doing much except
> taking the ACT but that is because we know that here chosen college
> takes just about anyone.

Bridget,

Mind if I ask what type of college that is?

Thanks,

Bob


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rumpleteasermom

It's a large state university with branch campuses all over. The main
campus is harder to get into but the branch campuses function like
junior colleges in some ways. They accept almost anyone who can
afford to go.

Bridget

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., rsale515@c... wrote:

>
> Bridget,
>
> Mind if I ask what type of college that is?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>

brr_imcold

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., rsale515@c... wrote:

> I have a question: Do any of you have teenagers whose intention is
to attend
> college? And if so, what are they doing in the way of preparation,
i.e.,
> transcripts, portfolios, etc.?


I have a 15 yr old and she plans to attend college.
Preparation? She's reading a lot in her area of interest as well as
entering the local community college in the fall. The reason she's
going to the community college first is to bypass the portfolios,
transcripts, etc to some degree. We will still have to provide them
with a sketchy outline of what she's been learning, which we
will 'create' soon, but the transition into the university will be
simplified by moving from the Community College to the university
rather than straight from our unschooling home to the university. The
University will be looking in their traditional way (grades, scores,
GPA's) to determine the abilities of my child. Some schools are very
open to hs'ed kids and their refreshing interests in learning. Still,
I want to be on the safe side and have both under our belts... the
refreshing as well as the 'traditional' so that we don't risk not
getting in.
Simply put, I feel the baby step of going to the CC is just an easy
way of easing into the University.

[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/02 10:15:15 AM, brr_imcold@... writes:

<< I feel the baby step of going to the CC is just an easy
way of easing into the University. >>

It's also a way for her to decide whether she really wants to go to the
university without the big expense and potential "dropping out" stigma if she
goes from zero to 18 hours all at once.

Californians are really lucky with their state community college system. In
Albuquerque we have a technical/vocational school which has some basic
classes which can transfer to the university, but it's neither free nor as
cushy and comprehensive as California's.

Sandra

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In a message dated 4/24/2002 8:32:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rsale515@... writes:


> I have a question: Do any of you have teenagers whose intention is to attend
>
> college? And if so, what are they doing in the way of preparation, i.e.,
> transcripts, portfolios, etc.? Are any of you in California and are your
> kids
> planning on going to college here?

Hi Bob...

I have 3 daughters. Two are in college now. The 14 yo started this semester
at community college - she will have 9 unites completed at the end of the
semester. The 17 yo has 60 plus units completed already and is planning to
transfer to a UC in the winter quarter of next year - she has already met
with the UC Santa Cruz admissions officer and has been guaranteed admission
there.

I can give you more details about transcripts, tests, etc. - need to run
now, but will get back to it later.

I would suggest, however, that one of your best resources in California is
Wes Beach who has a wonderful booklet that you can buy through the HomeSchool
Association of California - it has sample transcripts, for unschoolers and
others, and lots of information specifically for California colleges and
universities.

Go to www.hsc.org and look around - you'll find it.

--pamS
Some of what is said here may challenge you, shock you, disturb you, or seem
harsh. But remember that people are offering it to be helpful and what feels
uncomfortable to you might be just what someone else needed to hear.



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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/2002 9:13:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
brr_imcold@... writes:


> Simply put, I feel the baby step of going to the CC is just an easy
> way of easing into the University.

Thanks for that. Is it true that the credits one receives from a semester or
semesters at a JC (say in lieu of going through "high school") and has
transferred to a U or State College are far greater than what gets
transferred from a high school to a University or State College?

Bob


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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/2002 9:22:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rumpleteasermom@... writes:


> It's a large state university with branch campuses all over. The main
> campus is harder to get into but the branch campuses function like
> junior colleges in some ways. They accept almost anyone who can
> afford to go.

Bridget,

Thanks.

Bob


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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/2002 11:35:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
PSoroosh@... writes:


> I would suggest, however, that one of your best resources in California is
> Wes Beach

Thanks a lot, Pam. I will check that out immediately.

Sincerely,

Bob


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Lynda

Bob, weren't you on AHA or HEM or one of the unschooling lists a year or so
ago?

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <rsale515@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:23 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Toward College


> I'm new to this list, and though I admit I'm not much of an unschooler, I
> also admit that I admire you folks tremendously -- envy may be a better
word
> -- and hope that I am creeping your direction more and more each day.
>
> I have a question: Do any of you have teenagers whose intention is to
attend
> college? And if so, what are they doing in the way of preparation, i.e.,
> transcripts, portfolios, etc.? Are any of you in California and are your
kids
> planning on going to college here?
>
> In the meantime I'll check the archives.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Sale
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ~~~ Don't forget! If you change the topic, change the subject line! ~~~
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
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> http://www.unschooling.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Tia Leschke

>
>Thanks for that. Is it true that the credits one receives from a semester or
>semesters at a JC (say in lieu of going through "high school") and has
>transferred to a U or State College are far greater than what gets
>transferred from a high school to a University or State College?

It's probably a lot different now, but when I went to a community college
in California (a *long* time ago) you could just start taking the
university transfer courses. They were supposed to be the same, more or
less, as the ones you would take at the university. You didn't have to
"make up" the high school stuff you missed if you went to one of the state
colleges, but that's probably different since they made it all into one
system. (And I found that most first and second year university courses
were just harder versions of the ones you had to take in high school. I
had no trouble with any of them even though I "rose up" (dropped out) out
of high school to go to the college.
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

Lynda

No units get transferred from a high school to a college/university.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <rsale515@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Toward College


> In a message dated 4/24/2002 9:13:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> brr_imcold@... writes:
>
>
> > Simply put, I feel the baby step of going to the CC is just an easy
> > way of easing into the University.
>
> Thanks for that. Is it true that the credits one receives from a semester
or
> semesters at a JC (say in lieu of going through "high school") and has
> transferred to a U or State College are far greater than what gets
> transferred from a high school to a University or State College?
>
> Bob
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ~~~ Don't forget! If you change the topic, change the subject line! ~~~
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Visit the Unschooling website:
> http://www.unschooling.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/2002 3:33:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:


> No units get transferred from a high school to a college/university

Lynda,

That's right. High school units are simply for graduation, and I suppose
other things.

And by the way, yes, I was the resident right wing extremist Christian white
male at that other list. But I've mellowed with age; plus, I have another
list that I can bitch and moan at (poor them!).

If you remember, I play drums for a living. For the past couple years or so
I've traveled quite a bit and thus have often left my kids (12 and 8) pretty
much on their own (with the help of an extremely expensive sitter service --
and my wife). Unschooling tends to work its way into our lives regardless of
what we do, and it's a good thing I've been reading about it for years.
Actually, I stumbled upon it long before I knew I'd ever be married or have
kids. When I'm gone, the kids get excited because they are on their own when
it comes to school (though they DO miss me ... I hope).

A long and boring story as an example: I just finished a two week gig in
Rancho Mirage, CA, and I brought the kids with me for much of it, because
it's beautiful and I didn't want to spend our life savings on hiring a
sitter, and I truly wanted to hang with them somewhere other than home.

During my time out I usually bring along stacks of books and magazines --
including HEM. During this most recent trip I really got into reading it more
than anything else I brought along. But I also brought a book called
"Deschooling Our Lives," which you're probably familiar with, and found
myself reading it during the gig! These two reads were perfect for this trip,
for my kids were doing no school while they were with me, but were rather
playing in the pool, studying lines for a play, and learning to hang out
together in a strange -- yet lovely -- hotel room, and having the time of
their lives pretty much on their own (I was basically down the hall in the
ballroom). Unschooling was what they needed, and was what I needed to be
reading about to calm my nerves.

Indeed, I am a desperate fan of Grace Llewellyn, et al. but I'm also a
devoted student of Albert Jay Nock, Jacques Barzun, and anyone ever caught up
in what may be called "the humane life." But for them and me this usually
means Western Civilization (don't kill me just yet), or at least the periodic
bursts of humanity that occasionally brake through this "civilization" (and I
don't mean to deny the bursts of light in other civilizations -- possibly
even greater bursts. But the West is my civilization, even as its history
bewilders, offends, disappoints, and shocks).

Moreover, Nock was unschooled until he hit college, and then it was Greek,
Greek, and more Greek. He claimed to be a philosophical anarchist, and though
he'd never want responsibility for such a thing, he is the perfect paradigm
for unschoolers who tend toward the Western tradition. I can't call myself
that just yet, but I'm trying. Really.

Anyway, sorry for rambling. I'm hanging at this list because beside my
Western paternalistic Christian power trip, I really dig unschooling and am
truly working at letting it have its way.

Plus, my kids may want to go to college someday, and because I don't like to
play the state legal game if I can help it, I'm trying to find options for
them for high school; you know, getting them into college -- if they wish --
without destroying them before they have that chance.

Sincerely,

Bob Sale


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[email protected]

My 12 yod, at this point, says she wants to go to college in the future so
I'm also very interested in the responses to this! : )
I just got The Homeschooler's Guide to College Admissions by: Cafi Cohen from
the library, but I haven't read much of it yet.

Sandra
Mom to Sarah '89, Shawn '91, Shane '93, Stephen '96, & Sophia '00


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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/2002 12:29:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rsale515@... writes:


> Is it true that the credits one receives from a semester or
> semesters at a JC (say in lieu of going through "high school") and has
> transferred to a U or State College are far greater than what gets
> transferred from a high school to a University or State College?
>

Credits earned at a Community College are regular college credits - they
count just like they would for any other college student. If they take a
transferable course, such as English 101 or Economics 100, they get regular
college credit for it. Doesn't matter if they are under age.

However, there are occasionally some private colleges that have weird little
twists to their requirements - there is no "standard" there. They might
decide not to count college courses taken before the student was officially
graduated from high school, for example.

--pamS
Some of what is said here may challenge you, shock you, disturb you, or seem
harsh. But remember that people are offering it to be helpful and what feels
uncomfortable to you might be just what someone else needed to hear.



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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/2002 6:54:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
PSoroosh@... writes:


> there is no "standard" there. They might
> decide not to count college courses taken before the student was officially
> graduated from high school, for example

Pam,

Thank you, this indeed seems like a twist. Rules, rules, rules....

Bob


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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/24/2002 5:33:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:


> No units get transferred from a high school to a college/university.
>

Is that completely true? I always understood that if a child takes AP
(Advanced Placement) courses and then takes a special test required-those
credits count towards both the child's high school and college credits. My
eldest daughter is in public school and that's the system there, anyway.

Maybe I'm jumping in without knowing exactly what you were discussing. Sorry
if that's the case.

Caro


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[email protected]

In a message dated 4/28/2002 4:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Burkfamily@... writes:


> Is that completely true? I always understood that if a child takes AP
> (Advanced Placement) courses and then takes a special test required-those
> credits count towards both the child's high school and college credits. My
>
> eldest daughter is in public school and that's the system there, anyway.
>

The units don't get transferred exactly. What happens is that the college
will look at the score on the AP test and decide what they want to do with
it. MOST colleges let the kids skip the "Intro" course for that subject. If
they took the AP Microeconomics test and scored a 4 or 5 (out of 5), most
schools would let them skip taking Introductory Microeconomics -- they would
recognize that they'd covered the material already -- and they usually would
give them units as if they'd actually taken the course. They aren't really
transferring units from high school courses. Lots of kids take those high
school AP courses and don't take the AP test or don't score high enough to
get anything from the college. And kids can take the AP test without having
taken any of the courses in high school - homeschoolers can take AP tests.
And colleges make their own decisions about what to do with the test results
- some give credit for a 3, 4, or 5 -- some require at least a 4.

--pamS
Some of what is said here may challenge you, shock you, disturb you, or seem
harsh. But remember that people are offering it to be helpful and what feels
uncomfortable to you might be just what someone else needed to hear.



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[email protected]

Thanks Pam-

That REALLY clarified things for me. I need to ask more questions when I get
told things at the p.s., I guess. I'll share this with my dd. Thanks again.

Caro


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