vacation
vivrh
Ok all
I have a 6 year old and 8 year old that have been out of ps since 10-2000 and we left our Charter School thingy in December. We are taking trip to the Grand Canyon next week. The kids got to pic the place we went to and help Dad to plan the trip. My question is, (given their ages and the fact that we are unschooling now, meaning no requirements to do anything :school: related) can I help them to learn more than they already will while on the trip? My son has already said he wants to take his journal to write in, he likes reading his writing later on. I have also bought them disposable cameras to use as they wish on the trip. They asked for books on the Grand Canyon from the library and we have done that. So being that I am new to the unschooling thing, is there anything else that I can do to help them to make the most of this trip?
Thanks
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
I have a 6 year old and 8 year old that have been out of ps since 10-2000 and we left our Charter School thingy in December. We are taking trip to the Grand Canyon next week. The kids got to pic the place we went to and help Dad to plan the trip. My question is, (given their ages and the fact that we are unschooling now, meaning no requirements to do anything :school: related) can I help them to learn more than they already will while on the trip? My son has already said he wants to take his journal to write in, he likes reading his writing later on. I have also bought them disposable cameras to use as they wish on the trip. They asked for books on the Grand Canyon from the library and we have done that. So being that I am new to the unschooling thing, is there anything else that I can do to help them to make the most of this trip?
Thanks
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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From: Bonni Sollars
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:quitting
I read WC Fields said, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again,
and then give up. There's no sense being a damn fool about it." I think
sometimes we do need to see something through, and even torture is
endurable if we take it one second at a time and know there will be an
end to it. But there do come times when we need to give ourselves some
slack and allow ourselves to lighten our load of the unnecessaries. I
think the best thing to do is to really listen to why the child wants to
quit the class and question how productive it would be to stick with it
and list the pros and cons of quitting or staying with the child. That's
when they really surprise me with how creative and insightful they can
be, when they get all the information and weigh it in their own mind
rather than being told what they should think about it.
Bonni
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In a message dated 4/11/2002 10:16:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vivrh@...
writes:
kids are little and won't stay interested, probably, if there is a crowd of
adults in between them. Lag behind and let it go if the ranger isn't
interesting to the kids.
There are some good evening programs, too, and get there early to sit up
front.
Let them focus on ONE thing if they get interested in something - don't feel
like they have to learn all kinds of stuff. Don't go around pointing out
things because you think the kids should learn them - comment on things you
genuinely find interesting or beautiful or funny or whatever. Just be real.
Don't be teachy. Even if they learn nothing specific, the overall impression
is "learning" - for the rest of their lives when something passes in front of
their awareness about the Grand Canyon, it will MEAN something to them
because they'll have a hook to hang it on - having been there.
Just enjoy being together and experiencing the sense of awe that comes with
seeing such amazing sights in nature.
--pamS
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writes:
> So being that I am new to the unschooling thing, is there anything else thatTry going on the ranger walk/talks -- stay up close to the ranger since your
> I can do to help them to make the most of this trip?
kids are little and won't stay interested, probably, if there is a crowd of
adults in between them. Lag behind and let it go if the ranger isn't
interesting to the kids.
There are some good evening programs, too, and get there early to sit up
front.
Let them focus on ONE thing if they get interested in something - don't feel
like they have to learn all kinds of stuff. Don't go around pointing out
things because you think the kids should learn them - comment on things you
genuinely find interesting or beautiful or funny or whatever. Just be real.
Don't be teachy. Even if they learn nothing specific, the overall impression
is "learning" - for the rest of their lives when something passes in front of
their awareness about the Grand Canyon, it will MEAN something to them
because they'll have a hook to hang it on - having been there.
Just enjoy being together and experiencing the sense of awe that comes with
seeing such amazing sights in nature.
--pamS
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vivrh
Thanks Pam, that is exactly what I had in mind for the trip. I am SO excited that this is where the kids decided to take our vacation to as I havent been before. So in these kinds of situations I learn as much as they do if not more. I have decided that homeschooling/unschooling is really all about ME! I love to learn and what better excuse than to do it with my kids!
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
----- Original Message -----
From: PSoroosh@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] vacation
In a message dated 4/11/2002 10:16:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vivrh@...
writes:
> So being that I am new to the unschooling thing, is there anything else that
> I can do to help them to make the most of this trip?
Try going on the ranger walk/talks -- stay up close to the ranger since your
kids are little and won't stay interested, probably, if there is a crowd of
adults in between them. Lag behind and let it go if the ranger isn't
interesting to the kids.
There are some good evening programs, too, and get there early to sit up
front.
Let them focus on ONE thing if they get interested in something - don't feel
like they have to learn all kinds of stuff. Don't go around pointing out
things because you think the kids should learn them - comment on things you
genuinely find interesting or beautiful or funny or whatever. Just be real.
Don't be teachy. Even if they learn nothing specific, the overall impression
is "learning" - for the rest of their lives when something passes in front of
their awareness about the Grand Canyon, it will MEAN something to them
because they'll have a hook to hang it on - having been there.
Just enjoy being together and experiencing the sense of awe that comes with
seeing such amazing sights in nature.
--pamS
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At 12:40 PM -0700 4/11/2002, vivrh wrote:
Helen
> I have decided that homeschooling/unschooling is really all aboutI *love* this very astute observation! <g>
>ME! I love to learn and what better excuse than to do it with my
>kids!
Helen
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In a message dated 4/11/2002 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vivrh@...
writes:
I've gotten involved in so many things because of my kids. For example, I now
know much more about horses, ceramics, and opera than I ever would have if
the kids hadn't gotten interested first.
And - as the kids get older, you'll learn FROM them in more concrete ways - I
mean, they'll know way more than you do about various things and they'll
teach you about what they know.
--pam
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writes:
> I have decided that homeschooling/unschooling is really all about ME! I loveNo kidding!!!
> to learn and what better excuse than to do it with my kids!
I've gotten involved in so many things because of my kids. For example, I now
know much more about horses, ceramics, and opera than I ever would have if
the kids hadn't gotten interested first.
And - as the kids get older, you'll learn FROM them in more concrete ways - I
mean, they'll know way more than you do about various things and they'll
teach you about what they know.
--pam
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In a message dated 4/11/02 11:16:34 AM, vivrh@... writes:
<< can I help them to learn more than they already will while on the trip? >>
If you went on a road trip with an adult friend and you knew more about the
place than she did, wouldn't you answer her questions or show her interesting
stuff? If you saw a deer or a hawk, wouldn't you point it out? If she was
broke and wanted a book from the gift shop, wouldn't you buy it for her if
you could?
I think if you think of it as treating them as people instead of as
"students," you won't have any problems deciding how to act. Excitement is
excitement!!
If you see a certain layer in the sandstone that seems thinner in one place
than in others, that's worth pointing out no matter who's with you.
<<So being that I am new to the unschooling thing, is there anything else
that I can do to help them to make the most of this trip?>>
I think the river itself--where does it come from, and where does it go?
--that would be interesting to me.
Maybe the park itself--how long has it been a protected area, and what things
were done once that aren't done as much. What human impact is there?
If you don't sound like a teacher, and if you don't make them pay attention
while you're talking (if it's interesting and timed to their interest they
WILL pay attention, in short bursts), and if there's no review or test, then
it's just conversation and inquiry.
You don't have to say everything you have to say while you're there.
Holly and I got to go to England because friends are living there. There
were thousands of things I could have said to her while she was in cathedrals
or castles or London or going through farmland on trains. I pointed some
things out, we talked about what was different, but she was eight. Since
then she has spoken of those things and places often, as her understanding of
the world grows. And sometimes something comes up and I'll related it to
what she saw there. That learning will go on her whole life. If she ever
gets to go back, she'll be comparing that trip with the first one.
So your kids will think and learn about the Grand Canyon from now on!
Sandra
Sandra
<< can I help them to learn more than they already will while on the trip? >>
If you went on a road trip with an adult friend and you knew more about the
place than she did, wouldn't you answer her questions or show her interesting
stuff? If you saw a deer or a hawk, wouldn't you point it out? If she was
broke and wanted a book from the gift shop, wouldn't you buy it for her if
you could?
I think if you think of it as treating them as people instead of as
"students," you won't have any problems deciding how to act. Excitement is
excitement!!
If you see a certain layer in the sandstone that seems thinner in one place
than in others, that's worth pointing out no matter who's with you.
<<So being that I am new to the unschooling thing, is there anything else
that I can do to help them to make the most of this trip?>>
I think the river itself--where does it come from, and where does it go?
--that would be interesting to me.
Maybe the park itself--how long has it been a protected area, and what things
were done once that aren't done as much. What human impact is there?
If you don't sound like a teacher, and if you don't make them pay attention
while you're talking (if it's interesting and timed to their interest they
WILL pay attention, in short bursts), and if there's no review or test, then
it's just conversation and inquiry.
You don't have to say everything you have to say while you're there.
Holly and I got to go to England because friends are living there. There
were thousands of things I could have said to her while she was in cathedrals
or castles or London or going through farmland on trains. I pointed some
things out, we talked about what was different, but she was eight. Since
then she has spoken of those things and places often, as her understanding of
the world grows. And sometimes something comes up and I'll related it to
what she saw there. That learning will go on her whole life. If she ever
gets to go back, she'll be comparing that trip with the first one.
So your kids will think and learn about the Grand Canyon from now on!
Sandra
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/11/02 1:04:07 PM, PSoroosh@... writes:
<< for the rest of their lives when something passes in front of
their awareness about the Grand Canyon, it will MEAN something to them
because they'll have a hook to hang it on - having been there. >>
I wrote mine before I read Pam's.
Honest, I didn't copy!
Sandra, who's only been to the north rim of the Grand Canyon, although she's
been through Arizona lots of times.
<< for the rest of their lives when something passes in front of
their awareness about the Grand Canyon, it will MEAN something to them
because they'll have a hook to hang it on - having been there. >>
I wrote mine before I read Pam's.
Honest, I didn't copy!
Sandra, who's only been to the north rim of the Grand Canyon, although she's
been through Arizona lots of times.
Bonni Sollars
When we moved to Arkansas from Oregon, my friends rounded up some books
and drawing and puzzle stuff to make the trip more entertaining. I
bought a lot of fruit, peanut butter and crackers, and we all had our
water bottles. One of the puzzle books was of maps of the United States
and the kids were really into them, and watching the road signs and doing
math to figure out how far the next town was. It was a great trip. No
one got hungry, thirsty, cranky or puked.
Bonni
and drawing and puzzle stuff to make the trip more entertaining. I
bought a lot of fruit, peanut butter and crackers, and we all had our
water bottles. One of the puzzle books was of maps of the United States
and the kids were really into them, and watching the road signs and doing
math to figure out how far the next town was. It was a great trip. No
one got hungry, thirsty, cranky or puked.
Bonni
vivrh
Thanks Sandra- great points. I think- no I know this is going to be a great trip. I cant wait! 3 more nigh nighs! (That is how we count things down in our house.... :-)))
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
----- Original Message -----
From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] vacation
In a message dated 4/11/02 11:16:34 AM, vivrh@... writes:
<< can I help them to learn more than they already will while on the trip? >>
If you went on a road trip with an adult friend and you knew more about the
place than she did, wouldn't you answer her questions or show her interesting
stuff? If you saw a deer or a hawk, wouldn't you point it out? If she was
broke and wanted a book from the gift shop, wouldn't you buy it for her if
you could?
I think if you think of it as treating them as people instead of as
"students," you won't have any problems deciding how to act. Excitement is
excitement!!
If you see a certain layer in the sandstone that seems thinner in one place
than in others, that's worth pointing out no matter who's with you.
<<So being that I am new to the unschooling thing, is there anything else
that I can do to help them to make the most of this trip?>>
I think the river itself--where does it come from, and where does it go?
--that would be interesting to me.
Maybe the park itself--how long has it been a protected area, and what things
were done once that aren't done as much. What human impact is there?
If you don't sound like a teacher, and if you don't make them pay attention
while you're talking (if it's interesting and timed to their interest they
WILL pay attention, in short bursts), and if there's no review or test, then
it's just conversation and inquiry.
You don't have to say everything you have to say while you're there.
Holly and I got to go to England because friends are living there. There
were thousands of things I could have said to her while she was in cathedrals
or castles or London or going through farmland on trains. I pointed some
things out, we talked about what was different, but she was eight. Since
then she has spoken of those things and places often, as her understanding of
the world grows. And sometimes something comes up and I'll related it to
what she saw there. That learning will go on her whole life. If she ever
gets to go back, she'll be comparing that trip with the first one.
So your kids will think and learn about the Grand Canyon from now on!
Sandra
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Lynda
Disposible cameras! Also, we do "wish lists" before we head out on a trip.
"what would you want if you were locked in a car for a week?"
A couple of winters ago we went up to Crater Lake. The kidlets did their
wish lists and then we went shopping. They wanted maps, journals,
binoculars, lots of AA batteries, books about the area, AND books about
craters and volcanos!
Youngest wanted two maps and she cut them up as drove and put the section we
drove on a page in her journal and then wrote stuff about it.
Middle kidlet used his journal to document each roll of film and what each
picture was about.
Eldest used his to write notes to himself which had absolutely nothing to do
with the trip. What was interesting was that when we got home and he went
through his check list of "to do" things he had written down, he could tell
you all about where we were when he wrote them.
but all of them agree that the greatest invention of the 20th century was
disposible cameras! They love taking buckets of them with us on trips
because each of them has different interests and that way they can each
record "their" definition of what they see.
Lynda
"what would you want if you were locked in a car for a week?"
A couple of winters ago we went up to Crater Lake. The kidlets did their
wish lists and then we went shopping. They wanted maps, journals,
binoculars, lots of AA batteries, books about the area, AND books about
craters and volcanos!
Youngest wanted two maps and she cut them up as drove and put the section we
drove on a page in her journal and then wrote stuff about it.
Middle kidlet used his journal to document each roll of film and what each
picture was about.
Eldest used his to write notes to himself which had absolutely nothing to do
with the trip. What was interesting was that when we got home and he went
through his check list of "to do" things he had written down, he could tell
you all about where we were when he wrote them.
but all of them agree that the greatest invention of the 20th century was
disposible cameras! They love taking buckets of them with us on trips
because each of them has different interests and that way they can each
record "their" definition of what they see.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "vivrh" <vivrh@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:44 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] vacation
> Ok all
> I have a 6 year old and 8 year old that have been out of ps since 10-2000
and we left our Charter School thingy in December. We are taking trip to the
Grand Canyon next week. The kids got to pic the place we went to and help
Dad to plan the trip. My question is, (given their ages and the fact that we
are unschooling now, meaning no requirements to do anything :school:
related) can I help them to learn more than they already will while on the
trip? My son has already said he wants to take his journal to write in, he
likes reading his writing later on. I have also bought them disposable
cameras to use as they wish on the trip. They asked for books on the Grand
Canyon from the library and we have done that. So being that I am new to the
unschooling thing, is there anything else that I can do to help them to make
the most of this trip?
> Thanks
> God bless
> Vivian
> Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
> Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
> And loving wife to Randy
>
> **If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish
thing.
> -Anatole France***
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bonni Sollars
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:quitting
>
>
> I read WC Fields said, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again,
> and then give up. There's no sense being a damn fool about it." I
think
> sometimes we do need to see something through, and even torture is
> endurable if we take it one second at a time and know there will be an
> end to it. But there do come times when we need to give ourselves some
> slack and allow ourselves to lighten our load of the unnecessaries. I
> think the best thing to do is to really listen to why the child wants to
> quit the class and question how productive it would be to stick with it
> and list the pros and cons of quitting or staying with the child.
That's
> when they really surprise me with how creative and insightful they can
> be, when they get all the information and weigh it in their own mind
> rather than being told what they should think about it.
> Bonni
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Hi all,
I'm heading out on vacation for the next two weeks, so I'm suspending e-mail
during that time. Can't deal with 1000 plus e-mails or even the number on
digest on my return. I'll miss reading the posts though.
I was looking forward to this vacation until my husband spoke with his mother
this morning. My children have been with their grandparents the past week.
She's prepared to "talk with us" about our daughter. "She needs to be dealt
with". My MIL doesn't like any child who questions her or doesn't obey her.
Unfortunately she also thinks that Carly does nothing but watch SNL or Whose
Line is it Anyway. My MIL never took the time to find out what a cool person
my daughter is or what her interests are. No wonder that's all she wants to
do up there. She loves anything to do with the arts and many other things.
Plus she needs to talk about our method of homeschooling. We're obviously
depriving our children of a true education.
I know that I'm venting. I'm so angry.
Wish me luck,
Ginny
I've already suspended mail, so don't worry about responding
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I'm heading out on vacation for the next two weeks, so I'm suspending e-mail
during that time. Can't deal with 1000 plus e-mails or even the number on
digest on my return. I'll miss reading the posts though.
I was looking forward to this vacation until my husband spoke with his mother
this morning. My children have been with their grandparents the past week.
She's prepared to "talk with us" about our daughter. "She needs to be dealt
with". My MIL doesn't like any child who questions her or doesn't obey her.
Unfortunately she also thinks that Carly does nothing but watch SNL or Whose
Line is it Anyway. My MIL never took the time to find out what a cool person
my daughter is or what her interests are. No wonder that's all she wants to
do up there. She loves anything to do with the arts and many other things.
Plus she needs to talk about our method of homeschooling. We're obviously
depriving our children of a true education.
I know that I'm venting. I'm so angry.
Wish me luck,
Ginny
I've already suspended mail, so don't worry about responding
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Alan & Brenda Leonard
7/3/03 21:23:
Tim's coin collection right now, it's in his room and he's asleep. But I'm
doing a funshop on coins for the conference, anyway, so bring good stuff you
have lying around to trade. Besides, state quarters are spendable if nobody
wants them!
brenda
> Brenda,Bring all the cool coins that you can get your hands on! I can't check
> Oh I will, I will. :-) Hey do you have the Mississippi coin from last
> year? I came across a Louisiana today I'm saving it for you. Still looking
> for the others. :-)
Tim's coin collection right now, it's in his room and he's asleep. But I'm
doing a funshop on coins for the conference, anyway, so bring good stuff you
have lying around to trade. Besides, state quarters are spendable if nobody
wants them!
brenda
Barb Eaton
Brenda,
Ok. I didn't know you were doing a workshop on coins. That's really
cool. I'm quite interested in that. :-)
Barb E
"By learning to be with myself, to bring peace to myself,
I can be more effective both in creating happiness in my
own life and in offering a helping hand to others."
- Ingrid Bacci, Author
Ok. I didn't know you were doing a workshop on coins. That's really
cool. I'm quite interested in that. :-)
Barb E
"By learning to be with myself, to bring peace to myself,
I can be more effective both in creating happiness in my
own life and in offering a helping hand to others."
- Ingrid Bacci, Author
> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 23:27:38 +0200
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
>
> Bring all the cool coins that you can get your hands on! I can't check
> Tim's coin collection right now, it's in his room and he's asleep. But I'm
> doing a funshop on coins for the conference, anyway, so bring good stuff you
> have lying around to trade. Besides, state quarters are spendable if nobody
> wants them!
>
> brenda