Not an unschooler =) - Thanks Bonni
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Bonni wrote:
was specifically stated that this list was only for UNschooling discussions
and that was the purpose of the list (not homeschoolers and other methods,
but UNschooling alone.) I can respect that and that's why I feel I don't
belong. Eclectic homeschooling is perhaps a better group for me and I'll try
that community instead of this one.
The scriptures are a great guide indeed for these that are entrusted to us =)
Particularly the straight translation of "train up a child in the way he
should grow" - meaning according to their temperament, natural desires and
strengths given an emphasis so that they can be the person they are naturally
bent toward being. Not that I would exclude all science and math from a
child I could clearly see was a writer and poetess type though. To me, that
would be robbing my child of a balanced education and would not be preparing
her for future studies beyond high school =)
Kristine
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> Why wouldn't your beliefs be allowed? Just because someone else doesn'tHey Bonni, I appreciate your great reply. I said the above remark because it
> agree doesn't mean your opinion is not valid. We all have our reasons for
> doing what we do how we do it. Maybe someone here would have an idea
> you've never really considered before. If we were all shy of offending
> others with our views, no one would get any new information.
was specifically stated that this list was only for UNschooling discussions
and that was the purpose of the list (not homeschoolers and other methods,
but UNschooling alone.) I can respect that and that's why I feel I don't
belong. Eclectic homeschooling is perhaps a better group for me and I'll try
that community instead of this one.
The scriptures are a great guide indeed for these that are entrusted to us =)
Particularly the straight translation of "train up a child in the way he
should grow" - meaning according to their temperament, natural desires and
strengths given an emphasis so that they can be the person they are naturally
bent toward being. Not that I would exclude all science and math from a
child I could clearly see was a writer and poetess type though. To me, that
would be robbing my child of a balanced education and would not be preparing
her for future studies beyond high school =)
Kristine
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Bonni Sollars
"it was specifically stated that this list was only for UNschooling
discussions
and that was the purpose of the list (not homeschoolers and other
methods,
but UNschooling alone.) I can respect that and that's why I feel I don't
belong. Eclectic homeschooling is perhaps a better group for me and I'll
try
that community instead of this one."
Kristine, I see now how you came to that conclusion. I think that if you
brought up your thoughts and opinions and the reasons for them and asked
how that would conflict or coincide with unschooling thought, and what
are the reasons others would do it differently, you could probably start
an interesting discussion and gain a lot of information regarding
unschooling. I think that when people respond to a person's statement
abruptly and emphatically like they are the ultimate authority, it can
make a person wince. Keep in mind that things often sound like they are
law when they are really just a person's effort to state what they
believe. Sometimes, too, it seems like everyone is attacking because
there are so many reactions to one person's words or because it has
followed a thread and become something other than a response to the first
subject, but the person who started the subject thinks everyone is
talking about them instead of about theories and thoughts with no one's
name attached. (am I confusing you, this run-on sentence is starting to
confuse me:))
My experience so far with unschooling has been that when I hit bumps in
the road, I research until I find why it isn't working. And I come away
from every obstacle with a better understanding of myself, my children,
and how much unschooling really does work for us.
Your daughter sounds like she loves to learn. I'm sure no matter what
method of learning she follows, she will be very successful.
Bonni
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discussions
and that was the purpose of the list (not homeschoolers and other
methods,
but UNschooling alone.) I can respect that and that's why I feel I don't
belong. Eclectic homeschooling is perhaps a better group for me and I'll
try
that community instead of this one."
Kristine, I see now how you came to that conclusion. I think that if you
brought up your thoughts and opinions and the reasons for them and asked
how that would conflict or coincide with unschooling thought, and what
are the reasons others would do it differently, you could probably start
an interesting discussion and gain a lot of information regarding
unschooling. I think that when people respond to a person's statement
abruptly and emphatically like they are the ultimate authority, it can
make a person wince. Keep in mind that things often sound like they are
law when they are really just a person's effort to state what they
believe. Sometimes, too, it seems like everyone is attacking because
there are so many reactions to one person's words or because it has
followed a thread and become something other than a response to the first
subject, but the person who started the subject thinks everyone is
talking about them instead of about theories and thoughts with no one's
name attached. (am I confusing you, this run-on sentence is starting to
confuse me:))
My experience so far with unschooling has been that when I hit bumps in
the road, I research until I find why it isn't working. And I come away
from every obstacle with a better understanding of myself, my children,
and how much unschooling really does work for us.
Your daughter sounds like she loves to learn. I'm sure no matter what
method of learning she follows, she will be very successful.
Bonni
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Tia Leschke
>I hope you find a good one and get lots of support. Feel free to stay here
>Hey Bonni, I appreciate your great reply. I said the above remark because it
>was specifically stated that this list was only for UNschooling discussions
>and that was the purpose of the list (not homeschoolers and other methods,
>but UNschooling alone.) I can respect that and that's why I feel I don't
>belong. Eclectic homeschooling is perhaps a better group for me and I'll try
>that community instead of this one.
as well, if you want. Or come back later. Nobody says you have to
unschool to get something out of this list. As long as you understand that
you *aren't* unschooling, you could still learn things if that was what you
wanted.
> Not that I would exclude all science and math from aYou may have misunderstood something here. I don't think anybody could
>child I could clearly see was a writer and poetess type though. To me, that
>would be robbing my child of a balanced education and would not be preparing
>her for future studies beyond high school =)
exclude science and math from their daily living, so it wouldn't be
excluded from their kids' education. You seem to believe that she wouldn't
find a way to learn more structured science and math if /when she needs
it. I've seen artsy type unschoolers plough through science and math in
order to get into programs that *they* wanted. I just can't see any reason
to do it "just because". As one unschooling girl once told me, "It doesn't
take a whole year to learn fractions." She's well on her way into a career
as an opera singer, with a master's degree no less.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Helen Hegener
At 11:54 AM -0700 4/10/2002, Tia Leschke wrote:
or even when they were older, but our two oldest sons both went into
trades which called for lots of math and science, and they've really
excelled in all those trades (construction, car restoration,
electrician, and firefighting).
about fractions and decimals his wife taught him both in the car
while they were en route to one of his first jobs (in Tennessee - it
took them four days to get there)! Now he does them in his head
faster than I can do them on paper.
Interestingly, our oldest son John (the construction foreman turned
classic car restorer) and our only girl, Jody (22), both have a
strange kind of math they've taught themselves. I don't know how to
explain it, but when John was down here around Easter (he lives in
Alaska) they were doing something math-related and both were
astonished to find that the other one understood their way of
thinking about numbers - both said nobody else had ever been able to
figure out how they did the processes and arrived at their answers.
Helen
>You may have misunderstood something here. I don't think anybody couldIt certainly wasn't anything we addressed when our kids were small,
>exclude science and math from their daily living, so it wouldn't be
>excluded from their kids' education.
or even when they were older, but our two oldest sons both went into
trades which called for lots of math and science, and they've really
excelled in all those trades (construction, car restoration,
electrician, and firefighting).
> As one unschooling girl once told me, "It doesn'tLOL! Jim (the electrician/firefigher) says when he needed to learn
>take a whole year to learn fractions."
about fractions and decimals his wife taught him both in the car
while they were en route to one of his first jobs (in Tennessee - it
took them four days to get there)! Now he does them in his head
faster than I can do them on paper.
Interestingly, our oldest son John (the construction foreman turned
classic car restorer) and our only girl, Jody (22), both have a
strange kind of math they've taught themselves. I don't know how to
explain it, but when John was down here around Easter (he lives in
Alaska) they were doing something math-related and both were
astonished to find that the other one understood their way of
thinking about numbers - both said nobody else had ever been able to
figure out how they did the processes and arrived at their answers.
Helen