What Do You Make of This?
Tia Leschke
A few days ago, I was explaining to Lars that if we want to stay on the
public school program we've been in for years, we're going to have to
change the way we do things a bit. (The carrot is the computer and the
internet access, along with a fair bit of money.) I was thinking we would
have to leave the program. Things change at grade 8, (He's registered 2
grades back from what he "should" be) and they want much more specific
reporting, with certain subjects covered, etc. starting in grade 8.
The online teacher has said that we could do an Individual Education Plan
with him. I asked what that would involve, and he gave as an example,
"Well, maybe we could contract with Lars to read 2 books per month and
write about them in his own words. I'm guessing there would be similar
things in other subjects.
I just assumed Lars wouldn't want to do this, and I certainly would leave
the program before making him. But he surprised me by saying that he
wouldn't mind doing that now. (I'm pretty sure that *I've* got the
unschooling mindset, but I really doubt now that I've gotten it across to him.)
My first thought was that he was looking for more structure, and I tried to
explore what he might be looking for. I told him that I wouldn't be
willing to impose structure on him, but I could help him decide what kind
of structure he might be needing and asked him to think about
it. (Remember this is the kid who doesn't like talking about feelings and
hates making decisions.)
So today I asked him whether I had maybe jumped the gun on the structure
thing, and that maybe what he really meant was that he'd be willing to do
that much to keep the computer. He said no, he would like to start that
now. I started going into the, "I'm not willing to impose structure, but
we could talk about how I could help him find what he's looking for"
routine. He listened for a minute and then asked if he could use the
computer. Ok, end of conversation for now. <g>
A while later, I told him that I understood that he'd like to start doing
some reading and then writing about what he'd read, and asked what was
stopping him from doing that now. No answer. Again I asked him to think
about it. I told him that as far as I could see, the only thing needed was
motivation, and I couldn't supply that. I left it that he needed to think
about what he needed from me.
Keep in mind, especially those of you who haven't heard my stories, that
I've tried imposing structure on him in the past at a couple of different
times. It just turned into a battle that I'm not willing to repeat. I'd
sooner send him to school. Another thing is that he seems to be vegging a
lot, and I often think he's bored, but he seems to have no interest in
anything I suggest.
All but one of his friends go to school, and that one is doing a rigid
correspondance version of high school. I often think that he believes he's
stupid because of the things his friends seem to know that he doesn't. I
try to talk about his strengths, especially to other people when I know he
can hear. But he still seems to think he's stupid. I think he believes
that he has to do the school structure thing sometime, that he'll need all
that stuff his friends "learn" in school. This while watching his mother
learn one thing after another with no teaching or real structure involved.
Any ideas what this is about and what I can do to help him?
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
public school program we've been in for years, we're going to have to
change the way we do things a bit. (The carrot is the computer and the
internet access, along with a fair bit of money.) I was thinking we would
have to leave the program. Things change at grade 8, (He's registered 2
grades back from what he "should" be) and they want much more specific
reporting, with certain subjects covered, etc. starting in grade 8.
The online teacher has said that we could do an Individual Education Plan
with him. I asked what that would involve, and he gave as an example,
"Well, maybe we could contract with Lars to read 2 books per month and
write about them in his own words. I'm guessing there would be similar
things in other subjects.
I just assumed Lars wouldn't want to do this, and I certainly would leave
the program before making him. But he surprised me by saying that he
wouldn't mind doing that now. (I'm pretty sure that *I've* got the
unschooling mindset, but I really doubt now that I've gotten it across to him.)
My first thought was that he was looking for more structure, and I tried to
explore what he might be looking for. I told him that I wouldn't be
willing to impose structure on him, but I could help him decide what kind
of structure he might be needing and asked him to think about
it. (Remember this is the kid who doesn't like talking about feelings and
hates making decisions.)
So today I asked him whether I had maybe jumped the gun on the structure
thing, and that maybe what he really meant was that he'd be willing to do
that much to keep the computer. He said no, he would like to start that
now. I started going into the, "I'm not willing to impose structure, but
we could talk about how I could help him find what he's looking for"
routine. He listened for a minute and then asked if he could use the
computer. Ok, end of conversation for now. <g>
A while later, I told him that I understood that he'd like to start doing
some reading and then writing about what he'd read, and asked what was
stopping him from doing that now. No answer. Again I asked him to think
about it. I told him that as far as I could see, the only thing needed was
motivation, and I couldn't supply that. I left it that he needed to think
about what he needed from me.
Keep in mind, especially those of you who haven't heard my stories, that
I've tried imposing structure on him in the past at a couple of different
times. It just turned into a battle that I'm not willing to repeat. I'd
sooner send him to school. Another thing is that he seems to be vegging a
lot, and I often think he's bored, but he seems to have no interest in
anything I suggest.
All but one of his friends go to school, and that one is doing a rigid
correspondance version of high school. I often think that he believes he's
stupid because of the things his friends seem to know that he doesn't. I
try to talk about his strengths, especially to other people when I know he
can hear. But he still seems to think he's stupid. I think he believes
that he has to do the school structure thing sometime, that he'll need all
that stuff his friends "learn" in school. This while watching his mother
learn one thing after another with no teaching or real structure involved.
Any ideas what this is about and what I can do to help him?
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Lynda
Saying "I'd like to the do this" and actually doing it are not the same.
Sometimes it is easier to say "yes" and then just go on as you have without
any real intention of doing it.
Also, if he is in the about 8th grade age group, you are talking about all
those boy puberty changes things. The ride may get a little rocky.
Lynda, survivor of several sets of teenage angst <g>
Sometimes it is easier to say "yes" and then just go on as you have without
any real intention of doing it.
Also, if he is in the about 8th grade age group, you are talking about all
those boy puberty changes things. The ride may get a little rocky.
Lynda, survivor of several sets of teenage angst <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 5:20 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] What Do You Make of This?
> A few days ago, I was explaining to Lars that if we want to stay on the
> public school program we've been in for years, we're going to have to
> change the way we do things a bit. (The carrot is the computer and the
> internet access, along with a fair bit of money.) I was thinking we would
> have to leave the program. Things change at grade 8, (He's registered 2
> grades back from what he "should" be) and they want much more specific
> reporting, with certain subjects covered, etc. starting in grade 8.
>
> The online teacher has said that we could do an Individual Education Plan
> with him. I asked what that would involve, and he gave as an example,
> "Well, maybe we could contract with Lars to read 2 books per month and
> write about them in his own words. I'm guessing there would be similar
> things in other subjects.
>
> I just assumed Lars wouldn't want to do this, and I certainly would leave
> the program before making him. But he surprised me by saying that he
> wouldn't mind doing that now. (I'm pretty sure that *I've* got the
> unschooling mindset, but I really doubt now that I've gotten it across to
him.)
>
> My first thought was that he was looking for more structure, and I tried
to
> explore what he might be looking for. I told him that I wouldn't be
> willing to impose structure on him, but I could help him decide what kind
> of structure he might be needing and asked him to think about
> it. (Remember this is the kid who doesn't like talking about feelings and
> hates making decisions.)
>
> So today I asked him whether I had maybe jumped the gun on the structure
> thing, and that maybe what he really meant was that he'd be willing to do
> that much to keep the computer. He said no, he would like to start that
> now. I started going into the, "I'm not willing to impose structure, but
> we could talk about how I could help him find what he's looking for"
> routine. He listened for a minute and then asked if he could use the
> computer. Ok, end of conversation for now. <g>
>
> A while later, I told him that I understood that he'd like to start doing
> some reading and then writing about what he'd read, and asked what was
> stopping him from doing that now. No answer. Again I asked him to think
> about it. I told him that as far as I could see, the only thing needed
was
> motivation, and I couldn't supply that. I left it that he needed to think
> about what he needed from me.
>
> Keep in mind, especially those of you who haven't heard my stories, that
> I've tried imposing structure on him in the past at a couple of different
> times. It just turned into a battle that I'm not willing to repeat. I'd
> sooner send him to school. Another thing is that he seems to be vegging a
> lot, and I often think he's bored, but he seems to have no interest in
> anything I suggest.
>
> All but one of his friends go to school, and that one is doing a rigid
> correspondance version of high school. I often think that he believes
he's
> stupid because of the things his friends seem to know that he doesn't. I
> try to talk about his strengths, especially to other people when I know he
> can hear. But he still seems to think he's stupid. I think he believes
> that he has to do the school structure thing sometime, that he'll need all
> that stuff his friends "learn" in school. This while watching his mother
> learn one thing after another with no teaching or real structure involved.
>
> Any ideas what this is about and what I can do to help him?
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
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rumpleteasermom
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
him. If it felt okay, I might ask hom flat-out if he thought he
should do the school thing because everyone else does. Maybe he will
open up.
And here's a thought: Maybe he feels overwhelmed with trying to
figure out what to learn. There is so much stuff out there it's hard
to choose. I know that for me, that overload always brings me to a
screeching halt - - when I get to the point where I have way more to
do than humanly possible, I can't get anything done. I have to stop
and consciously set priorities and get rid of the stuff I don't really
want to do.
So, maybe if you bought him a book about what a curriculum should have
(the What your x grader needs to know series, I don't like the grade
level thing, but they are concise for this purpose) and he could work
through it at his leisure?
Here another thought: Buy him some computer software, there are high
school programs that have english, math, science etc. If he likes the
computer, that might be a better way for him to learn anyway. Also,
look into cool software like, Zap and Dr. Sulphur for science. Way
cool stuff!
But most of all, keep him talking to you. Ask him lots of questions,
tell him what you are doing, talk about the weather, but don't let him
shut you or the world out.
Bridget
> Any ideas what this is about and what I can do to help him?Sound to me like he's doing a sulky teen-age thing. Keep talking to
> Tia
>
him. If it felt okay, I might ask hom flat-out if he thought he
should do the school thing because everyone else does. Maybe he will
open up.
And here's a thought: Maybe he feels overwhelmed with trying to
figure out what to learn. There is so much stuff out there it's hard
to choose. I know that for me, that overload always brings me to a
screeching halt - - when I get to the point where I have way more to
do than humanly possible, I can't get anything done. I have to stop
and consciously set priorities and get rid of the stuff I don't really
want to do.
So, maybe if you bought him a book about what a curriculum should have
(the What your x grader needs to know series, I don't like the grade
level thing, but they are concise for this purpose) and he could work
through it at his leisure?
Here another thought: Buy him some computer software, there are high
school programs that have english, math, science etc. If he likes the
computer, that might be a better way for him to learn anyway. Also,
look into cool software like, Zap and Dr. Sulphur for science. Way
cool stuff!
But most of all, keep him talking to you. Ask him lots of questions,
tell him what you are doing, talk about the weather, but don't let him
shut you or the world out.
Bridget
rumpleteasermom
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
hard for me to remember that many of you may have kids that will say
yes as Lynda describes above. Mine are so NOT like that! They must
have run through the strong-will and independence lines twice each at
the people factory! Even Wyndham with all his idiosyncracies, will
say flat out, I don't want to . . .
If you (general plural) do have kids who try to follow your lead, I
think you need to talk to them even more and make it very clear that
you are interested in hearing what they really think about things.
Tell them that you don't want them to just say what they think you
want to hear.
Bridget
> Saying "I'd like to the do this" and actually doing it are not thesame.
> Sometimes it is easier to say "yes" and then just go on as you havewithout
> any real intention of doing it.You know, when I make suggestions like with Tia today, sometimes it's
hard for me to remember that many of you may have kids that will say
yes as Lynda describes above. Mine are so NOT like that! They must
have run through the strong-will and independence lines twice each at
the people factory! Even Wyndham with all his idiosyncracies, will
say flat out, I don't want to . . .
If you (general plural) do have kids who try to follow your lead, I
think you need to talk to them even more and make it very clear that
you are interested in hearing what they really think about things.
Tell them that you don't want them to just say what they think you
want to hear.
Bridget
Joseph Fuerst
And I've got a ten yr old who says "NO - I'm NOT doing that!" to most
things her mother might suggest, even if it's something she really wants
to do.
As far as Lars, I'm sorry to say I have no suggestions, but Bridget's
seemed good, especially about just keeping that door of communication open.
I think a lot of guys that age are really listening, though you'd never
know it.
have you seen the comic strip Zits? It may at least assist you in keeping
your sense of humor.....it's by Jerry Scott and Jim Borgman.
Susan
things her mother might suggest, even if it's something she really wants
to do.
As far as Lars, I'm sorry to say I have no suggestions, but Bridget's
seemed good, especially about just keeping that door of communication open.
I think a lot of guys that age are really listening, though you'd never
know it.
have you seen the comic strip Zits? It may at least assist you in keeping
your sense of humor.....it's by Jerry Scott and Jim Borgman.
Susan
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> > Saying "I'd like to the do this" and actually doing it are not the
> same.
> > Sometimes it is easier to say "yes" and then just go on as you have
> without
> > any real intention of doing it.
>
> You know, when I make suggestions like with Tia today, sometimes it's
> hard for me to remember that many of you may have kids that will say
> yes as Lynda describes above. Mine are so NOT like that! They must
> have run through the strong-will and independence lines twice each at
> the people factory! Even Wyndham with all his idiosyncracies, will
> say flat out, I don't want to . . .
>
> If you (general plural) do have kids who try to follow your lead, I
> think you need to talk to them even more and make it very clear that
> you are interested in hearing what they really think about things.
> Tell them that you don't want them to just say what they think you
> want to hear.
>
> Bridget
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rumpleteasermom
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Joseph Fuerst" <fuerst@f...> wrote:
about things or she shuts down. Don't know why???
Supermarket Sweep? I watch that show when I'm knitting sometimes
while I wait for Jeopardy. The girls just roll their eyes at me!!
Bridget
Remember - you are unique, just like everyone else!
> And I've got a ten yr old who says "NO - I'm NOT doing that!" tomost
> things her mother might suggest, even if it's something she reallywants
> to do.I have to watch that with Rachel too. I can't be too enthusuastic
about things or she shuts down. Don't know why???
> have you seen the comic strip Zits? It may at least assist you inkeeping
> your sense of humor.....it's by Jerry Scott and Jim Borgman.I love that strip. Did you see the one the other day about
>
> Susan
Supermarket Sweep? I watch that show when I'm knitting sometimes
while I wait for Jeopardy. The girls just roll their eyes at me!!
Bridget
Remember - you are unique, just like everyone else!
Kara Bauer
If you (general plural) do have kids who try to follow your lead, I
think you need to talk to them even more and make it very clear that
you are interested in hearing what they really think about things.>>
I'm not sure about that.... maybe with some kids but I would put all kids who follow a lead need that talk or push...
I have 2 kids, who are night & day each other... one is VERY strong willed, and extrememly sensitive and spirited and a whole lot of fun :), the other follows my lead most of the time (he was more my CC baby) but he knows what he likes and what he doesn't as well. Of course lately all he does is pretend he is a dog! <g>
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think you need to talk to them even more and make it very clear that
you are interested in hearing what they really think about things.>>
I'm not sure about that.... maybe with some kids but I would put all kids who follow a lead need that talk or push...
I have 2 kids, who are night & day each other... one is VERY strong willed, and extrememly sensitive and spirited and a whole lot of fun :), the other follows my lead most of the time (he was more my CC baby) but he knows what he likes and what he doesn't as well. Of course lately all he does is pretend he is a dog! <g>
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rumpleteasermom
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Kara Bauer" <KaraBauer4@m...> wrote:
that they really don't want to be doing but the do it anyway because
they think it is what mom wants them to do. It's important to talk to
them and explain that it is okay to like other things.
Bridget
> If you (general plural) do have kids who try to follow your lead, Ikids who follow a lead need that talk or push...
> think you need to talk to them even more and make it very clear that
> you are interested in hearing what they really think about things.>>
>
> I'm not sure about that.... maybe with some kids but I would put all
>Maybe, I'm not being clear? What I mean are kids who do things
that they really don't want to be doing but the do it anyway because
they think it is what mom wants them to do. It's important to talk to
them and explain that it is okay to like other things.
Bridget
zenmomma *
>>Also, look into cool software like, Zap and Dr. Sulphur for science. WayI just did a google search and couldn't find either of these. Do you have
>>cool stuff!>>
any further info?
Life is good.
~Mary
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Maybe, I'm not being clear? What I mean are kids who do things
that they really don't want to be doing but the do it anyway because
they think it is what mom wants them to do. It's important to talk to
them and explain that it is okay to like other things.>>
thanks for clarifying, I understand better now :)
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that they really don't want to be doing but the do it anyway because
they think it is what mom wants them to do. It's important to talk to
them and explain that it is okay to like other things.>>
thanks for clarifying, I understand better now :)
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Lynda
A lot of kids, particularly when they are going through the puberty thing,
teeter tooter back and forth from diggin in their heels and arguing (the
hard way) and just saying whatever will appease people (the easy way).
All kids in puberty and later teens react differently and that is just one
way.
Lynda
teeter tooter back and forth from diggin in their heels and arguing (the
hard way) and just saying whatever will appease people (the easy way).
All kids in puberty and later teens react differently and that is just one
way.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:25 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: What Do You Make of This?
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> > Saying "I'd like to the do this" and actually doing it are not the
> same.
> > Sometimes it is easier to say "yes" and then just go on as you have
> without
> > any real intention of doing it.
>
> You know, when I make suggestions like with Tia today, sometimes it's
> hard for me to remember that many of you may have kids that will say
> yes as Lynda describes above. Mine are so NOT like that! They must
> have run through the strong-will and independence lines twice each at
> the people factory! Even Wyndham with all his idiosyncracies, will
> say flat out, I don't want to . . .
>
> If you (general plural) do have kids who try to follow your lead, I
> think you need to talk to them even more and make it very clear that
> you are interested in hearing what they really think about things.
> Tell them that you don't want them to just say what they think you
> want to hear.
>
> Bridget
>
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They are both about 5 years old. Here's Zap on EBAY:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2013862291
Dr. Sulfur's Night Lab is from McGraw Hill and is by far the coolest
chemistry program I've ever seen.
Bridget
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2013862291
Dr. Sulfur's Night Lab is from McGraw Hill and is by far the coolest
chemistry program I've ever seen.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@h...> wrote:
> >>Also, look into cool software like, Zap and Dr. Sulphur for
science. Way
> >>cool stuff!>>
>
> I just did a google search and couldn't find either of these. Do you
have
> any further info?
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
>
>
>
>
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Joseph Fuerst
>I think I know what you mean......as much as I hope my (dds especially)
> Maybe, I'm not being clear? What I mean are kids who do things
> that they really don't want to be doing but the do it anyway because
> they think it is what mom wants them to do. It's important to talk to
> them and explain that it is okay to like other things.
>
> Bridget
>
>
won't get SO into the people pleaser mode that they neglect thier own
heart's desires.....I know (especially my 7 yo) tries to figure out what I
want and do it...whether it's what she wants or not. Hate to see her in a
school setting, though her teachers would adore her :-\
Susan
rumpleteasermom
Yes, that's it exactly. Jenni was very much like that at 7. She has
since outgrown it.
Bridget
since outgrown it.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Joseph Fuerst" <fuerst@f...> wrote:
> >
> I think I know what you mean......as much as I hope my (dds
especially)
> won't get SO into the people pleaser mode that they neglect thier
own
> heart's desires.....I know (especially my 7 yo) tries to figure out
what I
> want and do it...whether it's what she wants or not. Hate to see
her in a
> school setting, though her teachers would adore her :-\
> Susan
Tia Leschke
>Saying "I'd like to the do this" and actually doing it are not the same.The thing is, I wasn't even suggesting that he do it. I was just telling
>Sometimes it is easier to say "yes" and then just go on as you have without
>any real intention of doing it.
him it was what he'd have to do if he wanted to stay on the program. He was
the one who volunteered the idea that he wanted to do it now.
>Also, if he is in the about 8th grade age group, you are talking about allWe've been doing that one for a couple of years now. He's 14 1/2.
>those boy puberty changes things. The ride may get a little rocky.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Tia Leschke
>It wasn't a sulky teen thing. We've had plenty of that. <g> I'll ask him
>Sound to me like he's doing a sulky teen-age thing. Keep talking to
>him. If it felt okay, I might ask hom flat-out if he thought he
>should do the school thing because everyone else does. Maybe he will
>open up.
about the idea that everyone else does the school thing.
>And here's a thought: Maybe he feels overwhelmed with trying toIn the past I've printed out the BC curriculum learning outcomes for him to
>figure out what to learn. There is so much stuff out there it's hard
>to choose. I know that for me, that overload always brings me to a
>screeching halt - - when I get to the point where I have way more to
>do than humanly possible, I can't get anything done. I have to stop
>and consciously set priorities and get rid of the stuff I don't really
>want to do.
>So, maybe if you bought him a book about what a curriculum should have
>(the What your x grader needs to know series, I don't like the grade
>level thing, but they are concise for this purpose) and he could work
>through it at his leisure?
look at. I think they're quite overwhelming for him. (They're
overwhelming for *me*!) But you're probably right about his not knowing
where to start. That's probably why he grabbed onto the reading idea. In
a day or two I'll ask if he's found a book he'd like to read or whether he
wants my help in picking something. If he still dithers, I'm going to drop
it for now.
>Here another thought: Buy him some computer software, there are highHe has yet to enjoy any of the "educational" software he's had access to.
>school programs that have english, math, science etc. If he likes the
>computer, that might be a better way for him to learn anyway.
>Also,We've actually got Dr. Sulphur, but I was never able to get it to work. It
>look into cool software like, Zap and Dr. Sulphur for science. Way
>cool stuff!
was passed on by a friend whose kid grew out of it. Maybe I'll have
another go at it.
>But most of all, keep him talking to you. Ask him lots of questions,Thanks. I need this reminder from time to time. (It's hard to keep
>tell him what you are doing, talk about the weather, but don't let him
>shut you or the world out.
talking to a brick wall, and that's just what it feels like sometimes.)
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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Tia Leschke
>I don't think I have. Is it online anywhere?
>have you seen the comic strip Zits? It may at least assist you in keeping
>your sense of humor.....it's by Jerry Scott and Jim Borgman.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Tia Leschke
>I have to watch that with Rachel too. I can't be too enthusuasticLOL!
>about things or she shuts down. Don't know why???
I kept my mouth firmly shut when Lars started wanting really short hair,
even though I hate short hair on most males. He's been letting it grow
since the fall, and I love it. And I still keep my mouth shut. If he knew
I liked it, he'd probably get it cut again. <g>
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Lynda
You have my sympathy <g>
Lynda, survivor of several teenagers!
Lynda, survivor of several teenagers!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] What Do You Make of This?
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> >Saying "I'd like to the do this" and actually doing it are not the same.
> >Sometimes it is easier to say "yes" and then just go on as you have
without
> >any real intention of doing it.
>
> The thing is, I wasn't even suggesting that he do it. I was just telling
> him it was what he'd have to do if he wanted to stay on the program. He
was
> the one who volunteered the idea that he wanted to do it now.
>
>
> >Also, if he is in the about 8th grade age group, you are talking about
all
> >those boy puberty changes things. The ride may get a little rocky.
>
> We've been doing that one for a couple of years now. He's 14 1/2.
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia,
I haven't been able to find it online, but I believe they've published some
books of the comic. It's by Jerry Scott and (one of Cincinnati's greatest
treasures) Jim Borgman. Check Amazon.com.
Susan
I haven't been able to find it online, but I believe they've published some
books of the comic. It's by Jerry Scott and (one of Cincinnati's greatest
treasures) Jim Borgman. Check Amazon.com.
Susan
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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:50 PM
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> >
> >have you seen the comic strip Zits? It may at least assist you in
keeping
> >your sense of humor.....it's by Jerry Scott and Jim Borgman.
>
> I don't think I have. Is it online anywhere?
> Tia
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LOL too!
That's really funny because I deal with the exact same issue with
Rachel! She had it buzz cut (with a poof in front and a tail) when
she was 11. It's been short ever since, until this past year when she
decided to let it grow out. It's now shoulder length and I love it!
But shhhhh!!!! Don't tell her or she'll get another buzz cut!
Bridget
That's really funny because I deal with the exact same issue with
Rachel! She had it buzz cut (with a poof in front and a tail) when
she was 11. It's been short ever since, until this past year when she
decided to let it grow out. It's now shoulder length and I love it!
But shhhhh!!!! Don't tell her or she'll get another buzz cut!
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
> LOL!
> I kept my mouth firmly shut when Lars started wanting really short
hair,
> even though I hate short hair on most males. He's been letting it
grow
> since the fall, and I love it. And I still keep my mouth shut. If
he knew
> I liked it, he'd probably get it cut again. <g>
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
> leschke@i...
> On Vancouver Island
Tia Leschke
>I remember when my step-daughter was about 14. She came in one day with
>That's really funny because I deal with the exact same issue with
>Rachel! She had it buzz cut (with a poof in front and a tail) when
>she was 11. It's been short ever since, until this past year when she
>decided to let it grow out. It's now shoulder length and I love it!
>But shhhhh!!!! Don't tell her or she'll get another buzz cut!
her long braid hanging out of her toque, as usual, and told me to pull her
braid. I didn't really notice the impish grin on her face at the time. I
pulled the braid, and it came out in my hand. Then she pulled off the
toque, and I could see that her hair was 1\4 inch all over. I'm glad she
never had it that short again, but she's also never let it get long and
beautiful again either.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Joseph Fuerst
>I missed that one.....don't know how since our 12 - week FREE trial of our
>
> I love that strip. Did you see the one the other day about
> Supermarket Sweep? I watch that show when I'm knitting sometimes
> while I wait for Jeopardy. The girls just roll their eyes at me!!
>
> Bridget
> Remember - you are unique, just like everyone else!
local daily paper is still showing up daily .....as it's been for about 22
weeks. At least I don't feel guilty for not reading much of it before it's
in the trash heap! Though I ALWAYS read Zits and Baby Blues.
Susan