A. Yates

I was hoping this topic would come up. Each yr I struggle with this
issue. I came from a family with lots of privileges, and now I feel
like I'm cheating my kids if there is just a few things under the tree.
This is strictly my problem. They probably wouldn't care a bit. They
wouldn't notice I don't think.
Last year instead of buying gifts for all the cousins, we make a book
for them. Each one of my kids had a page. They picked something they
wanted to tell their cousins and extended family about themselves. My
sister, sister in law and cousin all agreed we would do this instead of
presents as a way to bring our families closer. We would send them
before Christmas to be put under the tree and shared on Christmas
morning. We were the only ones that actually did it, and before
Christmas. We never received one from my sisters kids at all. This yr.
I'm just going to do whatever we decide, and not think about anyone
else.
We, in the last couple of years, have also eliminated the big dinner.
Since I do it at Thanksgiving, it was kind of a bummer to have to take
part of our special family day and cook, set the table ect.... So, now
I make homemade pizza, and we eat it off paper towels. No one minds,
and I love it.
I'm gradually learning how to make the holidays a much more relaxed and
enjoyable time. I still need help with the gift reduction. I wish I
was handy and could make special things for my kids, but, I'm not.
Hopeless in that dept.
I'd love to hear how others deal with holidays.
Ann

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hi ann, im new to this list and it sounds like we are mostly in the same
place...i love the "shopping for treasure" ideal? LOL and not quite
ready to give it up entirely
btw im a mom to 3 in northern WV:0) any1 near here?

A. Yates

> ..i love the "shopping for treasure" ideal?

I love to find really neat things in catalogs. Strange thing is as
Christmas gets nearer and nearer, I panic and keep buying more! Geez.......

BTW, I'm in NC. Not close, but not too far either.
Ann

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howdy
i think weve talked b4 lol
r u in statesville?
yea, inlaws go overboard, first few yrs it was cool, now 8 yrs and 3
kids later, its too much...im always trippin over toys and stressin
tryin to declutter but i just cant get rid of gifts u know? i dont want
that hangin over MY head LMBO! so meanwhile i will mutter under my
breath and hope they mite send less this year...funny thing is is the
kids arent even that interested in most of it! its just more to clean
and most are missin tiny parts, etc...
heres a good Q--what was the best gift your kids received-gave for the
holidays?

Monica L. Molinar

Ahhhh..... Christmas-time...

Guess what? I live in the North Pole!!! North Pole, Alaska... exactly 4
miles from Santa Claus! :-)

I grew up in a family that made a *very* big deal about Christmas (and
birthdays, and Thanksgiving, and... and....) My husband, on the other hand,
grew up not celebrating *any* holidays! I'm sure many of you can imagine
the "struggles" we've had, trying to merge his ideas and mine around
holidays... My husband's point (and I think it's a valid one), is that
most of us celebrate "big time" on holidays and birthdays, and basically
ignore our "extended family" and "friends" on other days. In our family, we
try to get together and enjoy each others' company on "regular" days...
buying (and/or making) gifts and giving them on "normal" days, too... You
know, the same idea as sending a long-lost friend a "Thinking of You" card
out of the blue, just cuz ya miss her...

At any rate... at Christmas-time, we've "run the gammut" from all-out huge
family gatheringsgourmet meals & fancy clothes in previous years, to last
year -- it was just my husband, my kids, and me... stayed in jammies **ALL
DAY** didn't answer the door or the telephone, watched football, read,
opened our (very few) gifts... enjoyed each others' company... etc... it was
truly blissful, relaxing, and stress-free.

This year, we'll likely be in our new home (it's not really new... ya'll can
check it out on the web at www.universalminds.com/dreams ), which will be
present enough... All our extra $$$ is going into fixing that place to make
it livable (mortgage-free.... YES!!!!!!!!!!!). I plan on making gifts with
the kids, watching Christmas movies & listening to Christmas music...
enjoying the festivities around us...

Anyone have special traditions for Christmas that are free or inexpensive
they'd like to share?

1) Santa always leaves an orange in our stockings for good luck
2) Gram always wraps one present in Sunday comics
3) I watch Sound of Music *every year* (and sing along, of course....)
4) I call my parents (who each have new spouses who don't like this ritual)
each year at 5am (that's what time I used to wake them up as a kid, and
since I'm still their kid, I still "bug them" on Christmas morning <gggg>)
5) I give each of my children 2 books... one I think they'll enjoy, and one
"Christmas" book to add to their collection for their own homes
6) Each child gets an ornament that in some way ties in to the theme of
their book... For example, last year, Zac receive the book "The Three
Trees" and received a pine tree ornament. (check your local used bookstore
for great finds on books...)

By the way, we now have snow here... I'm already "getting in the spirit"....

~Monica

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In a message dated 9/28/99 12:53:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hooperck@... writes:

<< I'd love to hear how others deal with holidays. >>

Well another two weeks and I'll have my shopping done. I hate christmas
crowds so I start in July, buy something for each of them every month, stick
it away. It took awhile to do this and I slipped up last year big time.
But, I gain on this because we can afford to by a little here and there for
the big type christmas. It also allows us to stay home during the holidays
and enjoy each others company. We also celebrate St. Nicholas day on
Decemeber 6th, Santa comes to leave something in the shoes of boys and girls,
what they get depends on whether they've been good or bad, so the story goes,
no one here has gotten the required coal or switches for the bad ones though.
Anyway, that and advent calenders set off the season for us, we try to do
something together that is christmasy every night starting on the 6th. Even
if that means just pulling out everyone's santa/snowman/tree mugs to sip hot
chocolate from. And of course we tend to have every holiday movie ever made.
Last year was a big milestone when the 7yo actually sat through most of
White Christmas.

I got sick of the *spend the holidays in the kitchen* syndrome too. I make
the Thanksgiving meal. For christmas, we open gifts on Christmas eve, I do a
spread of sandwich stuff or bake a ham that day with salads that I try to do
the 23rd. Every body eats left overs on Christmas day and lays around :)

New Years I've taken to making snacks for the football crowd and making
something I like, something each one likes. Sauerbraten only gets cooked
here once during the year in other words <g>....

Charlotte

Monica L. Molinar

<<Sauerbraten only gets cooked here once during the year in other words
<g>....>>

Mmm... that sounds tasty.. I've had it only once, but think I liked it..

Our "only once a year" Christmas fare includes tamales, which take *days* to
make... I wrote earlier that we stayed in jammies all day last Christmas,
which is true.. I'd made the tamales beforehand, and forgot to mention that
we eat those every year.. Last year, I made 22 dozen of 'em. (Didn't eat
them all though....<ggg>)

~Monica

A. Yates

> We also celebrate St. Nicholas day on
> Decemeber 6th,

Does anyone else celebrate something else around this time like advent?
I would like to incorporate some other type of celebration in our holidays. We
are not religious though. Any ideas?

MMMMMMM Sauerbraten. Yum!
Ann

A. Yates

> Last year, I made 22 dozen of 'em. (Didn't eat
> them all though....<ggg>)

Yikes! That's alot of tamales!
Sounds scrumptious.
Ann

A. Yates

You live in the North Pole! How very cool!
Make sure and tell Santa to cool it around our house. I'm trying really hard to
simplify :)

Ann

A. Yates

> Q--what was the best gift your kids received-gave for the
> holidays?

Well, I've thought about this for some time, and I can't come up with a
single thing. "THing-wise" I thing the most special thing about the
holidays is the time we spend together. Not just on the day, but the whole
time preparing. The tree, putting up lights, opening advent calendars
ect... Those things are more special Magical than anything.

I was also thinking about special traditions we have. Every Christmas Eve
the Christmas eve elf comes when no one is around, and leaves a book and an
ornament under the tree for each child.
The book is always some book with very special illustrations, maybe a
Christmas book, but not always.
Ann

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In a message dated 9/28/99 4:01:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hooperck@... writes:

<< We
are not religious though. Any ideas? >>

LOL, we don't have a religious bone in our bodies here....

Charlotte

Monica L. Molinar

> From: "A. Yates" <hooperck@...>
>
> You live in the North Pole! How very cool!
> Make sure and tell Santa to cool it around our house. I'm trying really
hard to
> simplify :)
>
> Ann

Santa sez "no problem"... he likes folks who are simplifying things.. his
bones are gettin' a wee bit old and creaky to be carrying all of those
packages... and Rudolph needs a new bulb in his nose... <ggg>

~Monica

A. Yates

your kidding?!!! You mean there are others out there? Ha, Ha.
Ann

Rhiahl@... wrote:

> From: Rhiahl@...
>
> In a message dated 9/28/99 4:01:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> hooperck@... writes:
>
> << We
> are not religious though. Any ideas? >>
>
> LOL, we don't have a religious bone in our bodies here....
>
> Charlotte
>
> > Check it out!
> http://www.unschooling.com

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We try to give things that we make or find. One year we made a basket out of
grasses we found. and we've made things from pebbles, too. We also give
things to kids lees fortunate than we. From our business(pottery studio and
gallery) we donate good seconds to the local battered woman's shelter.
Debra

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In a message dated 09/28/1999 11:53:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
hooperck@... writes:

<< I was also thinking about special traditions we have. Every Christmas Eve
the Christmas Eve elf comes when no one is around, and leaves a book and an
ornament under the tree for each child.
The book is always some book with very special illustrations, maybe a
Christmas book, but not always. >>
A special tradition for us, well a few would be...
While the children are bathing, the jamma elves come and if you have been
good, they leave you a pair of Christmas jammas. One year, my oldest threw a
temper tantrum in the store on Christmas Eve. He got out of the tub, and got
a note from the elves. He needed to straighten up NOW or he would be left
out. You see, that is how Santa knows for sure that you have been good. Santa
gets his list, but the last few weeks are so busy that he cannot keep an eye
on everyone so well. The elves travel around and give jammas to the really
good children. Ds was great for the rest of the night and the elves left
jammas on his pillow.
We read "'Twas The Night Before Christmas" every year just before bed. We
get a mug of cocoa and sit together and read the story. This year I am
sending a tape down to my Dad and asking him to read it on tape. I grew up
listening to him, and my children will not hear it from him for too much
longer (he is 78). So I feel that this would be a great way to add to the
sentiment of Christmas.
We do the tree together, but Santa does the candy canes. If we did them,
we would be up until sunrise zinging around, and Santa would miss our home.
We always leave milk and homemade goodies.
The children pick out a new ornament each year. This is so that the first
Christmas that they are on their own, they will have something from their
life at home, to remember the family Christmas.
And Santa does not wrap gifts. It is expensive, and all the paper is
wasted. Never appreciated. Why bother Santa with the extra work.
That is our Christmas in a nutshell.
We go to mass, most of the time. I have never done the advent calendar, but
would love to. This year is going to be simplified, so all the same
traditions, it just should not take all day to get through the presents under
the tree.
Stephanie

TeaLoverDenise

My traditions:

1) Every year *after* Christmas, I buy one ornament (on sale, of course)
for each of my three children, and give it to them the following year to
hang on the tree;

2) My kids are pretty well grown now, but when they were all at home,
I'd wrap each kids' presents in a different wrapping paper and there
would be no names on any of the gifts. Only *I* knew whose paper
belonged to whom. (I would tape a snippet of each into my Christmas
Journal in case I forgot!)

3) It may sound boring, but we have the same Christmas meal every year
with traditional family recipes; I used to think it wasn't
appreciated/noticed, but now that my kids are almost grown, they *fuss*
if I leave one of the usual things out of the menu!

4) All three of the kids used to always sleep in the same room together
on Christmas Eve, even when they got to be teenagers! (I don't really
think it was sibling love; I think they each wanted to make sure no one
got to the presents before the others!)

5) I always call "home" (Illinois) on Christmas Day to talk to everyone
who is gathered at someone or other's home for the big day ~ and I cry.
:o( (I'm 45 years old, have been away from "home" for over 20 years, yet
it still happens.)


Denise in South Carolina



<Anyone have special traditions for Christmas that are free or
inexpensive they'd like to share?>

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In a message dated 9/28/99 7:41:27 PM EST, LifesLearn@... writes:

<< The children pick out a new ornament each year. This is so that the
first
Christmas that they are on their own, they will have something from their
life at home, to remember the family Christmas. >>

We do the same thing, for the same reason. It is so special to have these.
My guys also pick out a plaster ornament at the craft store to paint, as well
as a plaster village piece to make their own Christmas Village. I am an avid
collector of Christmas village and add to mine each year. Soon will be
running out of room! From October to Christmas has always been my most
favorite time of year. The special things we did as kids, mean so much as
the years go on. It doesn't matter if you spend lots of money on toys, or
make your gifts. If you dress up for the day or stay in your jammas, it is
just the specialness of the day and what that means to your family, and what
they will take with them for ever. My DH had next to nothing growing up, and
living in a poor country that depended on tourism, the holidays meant extra
work and extra money, but there were still the memories of the fun on Boxing
Day, the day after, when everything on the island was closed, everything
being open on Christmas. Well, I wonder on, but it is just because I
remember all the warm, beautiful times, and hope my guys are building
memories too.
Teresa

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In a message dated 9/28/99 8:52:31 PM EST, JaLeCroy@... writes:

<< 3) It may sound boring, but we have the same Christmas meal every year
with traditional family recipes; I used to think it wasn't
appreciated/noticed, but now that my kids are almost grown, they *fuss*
if I leave one of the usual things out of the menu! >>
Denise,
Doesn't sound boring at all, ours is the same way and the repeat of
Thanksgiving. Last year I broke my ankle right after Halloween, I was off
my feet for a good six weeks, and we decided to just order the dinner from
Publix, Dh brought me the menu and prices, ect. I couldn't stand it. There
was nothing there, nothing that we always had. I had to make the dinner
myself, just couldn't stand it. DH did all the shopping, it was such a joke,
we kept forgetting things and he kept having to go back. The boys helped,
everyone got in on the act, and here I was, in a kitchen chair on wheels,
rolling back and forth across the kitchen. It was such a joy that we all did
it at Christmas too, cause I still wasn't 100% for standing. Point is, the
boys, and dh, have talked about it all year. They still bring it up, and
laugh, Memory made for a lifetime.
Teresa

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In a message dated 9/28/99 11:47:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!, hooperck@...
writes:

<< your kidding?!!! You mean there are others out there? Ha, Ha.
Ann

Rhiahl@aol. >>


One or two of us!

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