Re: Spanking implements!!
KimBaker
<And all in all, were you defending Andrea Yates?
<Attacking me?
<I hope neither.
<Sandra
JMHO here! But I didn't take the post as defending Andrea Yates, or
attacking anyone! My interpretation of the post was that she wanted to
clarify that not all Christians beat their children with dowell rods!! I
too, am a christian, I do not beat my children with anything. I feel that we
do "unschool" but according to things I have read here, I think several
would dissagree with me. I do not "unparent". We have a few rules, there
are consequences if not followed. To me.. that is life and learning. Maybe
I just don't have a clear picture of things, (I am sure I don't LOL) but I
do not understand how a child will ever be able to get a job and work for a
boss, with rules, and deadlines to meet, and the like, if the complete
attitude at home is kinda like "do what ya want as long as your safety isn't
compromised" I know it is probably MY problem with this. I will undoubtedly
agree that the kids would probably love it tho. Maybe I need to re-examine,
but I just can't get it through my head how this would work. Please do not
rip apart my post for typos, and run-ons and grammar.
Thank you!
KIM Dylan 12 Jacob 11 Noah 2
<Attacking me?
<I hope neither.
<Sandra
JMHO here! But I didn't take the post as defending Andrea Yates, or
attacking anyone! My interpretation of the post was that she wanted to
clarify that not all Christians beat their children with dowell rods!! I
too, am a christian, I do not beat my children with anything. I feel that we
do "unschool" but according to things I have read here, I think several
would dissagree with me. I do not "unparent". We have a few rules, there
are consequences if not followed. To me.. that is life and learning. Maybe
I just don't have a clear picture of things, (I am sure I don't LOL) but I
do not understand how a child will ever be able to get a job and work for a
boss, with rules, and deadlines to meet, and the like, if the complete
attitude at home is kinda like "do what ya want as long as your safety isn't
compromised" I know it is probably MY problem with this. I will undoubtedly
agree that the kids would probably love it tho. Maybe I need to re-examine,
but I just can't get it through my head how this would work. Please do not
rip apart my post for typos, and run-ons and grammar.
Thank you!
KIM Dylan 12 Jacob 11 Noah 2
Lynda
Well, I know tons and tons of Christians and very few of them are "bad"
fundies or 3Rs and the vast majority do NOT follow that IDIOT (yes I mean
that in a very negative way) Ezzo's teachings! Most are poles apart from
Ezzo and the rest of the discipline an infant with a rod crew!
Unfortunately, we are up against the old labeling thing again! Which is one
more reason we don't "do" labels in this family!
Lynda
fundies or 3Rs and the vast majority do NOT follow that IDIOT (yes I mean
that in a very negative way) Ezzo's teachings! Most are poles apart from
Ezzo and the rest of the discipline an infant with a rod crew!
Unfortunately, we are up against the old labeling thing again! Which is one
more reason we don't "do" labels in this family!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "KimBaker" <azhom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Spanking implements!!
> <And all in all, were you defending Andrea Yates?
> <Attacking me?
>
> <I hope neither.
>
> <Sandra
>
> JMHO here! But I didn't take the post as defending Andrea Yates, or
> attacking anyone! My interpretation of the post was that she wanted to
> clarify that not all Christians beat their children with dowell rods!! I
> too, am a christian, I do not beat my children with anything. I feel that
we
> do "unschool" but according to things I have read here, I think several
> would dissagree with me. I do not "unparent". We have a few rules, there
> are consequences if not followed. To me.. that is life and learning.
Maybe
> I just don't have a clear picture of things, (I am sure I don't LOL) but I
> do not understand how a child will ever be able to get a job and work for
a
> boss, with rules, and deadlines to meet, and the like, if the complete
> attitude at home is kinda like "do what ya want as long as your safety
isn't
> compromised" I know it is probably MY problem with this. I will
undoubtedly
> agree that the kids would probably love it tho. Maybe I need to
re-examine,
> but I just can't get it through my head how this would work. Please do not
> rip apart my post for typos, and run-ons and grammar.
>
> Thank you!
> KIM Dylan 12 Jacob 11 Noah 2
>
>
>
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Tia Leschke
>MaybeWell, I've never been able to completely follow TCS, but we have hardly any
>I just don't have a clear picture of things, (I am sure I don't LOL) but I
>do not understand how a child will ever be able to get a job and work for a
>boss, with rules, and deadlines to meet, and the like, if the complete
>attitude at home is kinda like "do what ya want as long as your safety isn't
>compromised"
rules here of the type that need to be enforced. We have general rules
like treat people decently and clean up after yourself, but there are no
punishments for not following those. It think the only really strict rule
is that a bike rider needs a brain bucket on his head. <g>
I have until yesterday insisted on one chore daily in the kitchen. After
another hassle about doing it the way *I* wanted it done, I realized that
maybe he'd just rather find other ways to contribute to the family. I was
right. He got up today and wanted to work on tidying up the house. Later
on he went out and started cleaning up the yard a bit. (I'm not expecting
that it will always look this good, but I think he was trying to tell me
that he appreciated being given a choice about it. And I mean a choice
about whether to do it as well as what to do.)
But about that getting a job and working with bosses and rules and
deadlines, etc. this same kid has awesome work habits at his real
job. His work habits and attitudes are better than most of the adult
employees. He's 14.
>I know it is probably MY problem with this. I will undoubtedlyThis thing about grammar and stuff is getting pretty funny. Except for a
>agree that the kids would probably love it tho. Maybe I need to re-examine,
>but I just can't get it through my head how this would work. Please do not
>rip apart my post for typos, and run-ons and grammar.
couple of joking corrections, the only posts I've seen correcting grammar
(including my own) have been when the person brought it up
specifically. If there's been a post where someone was putting someone
else down for their grammar or spelling, I must have missed it.
At any rate, stick around and just listen to the conversations about
discipline, chores, TV, whatever. If you have an open mind, you just might
find that you want to start trying some of these ideas yourself. At least
that's what's been happening for me.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Bonni Sollars
I agree that Christians need to start getting the truth about spankings
out in the Christian community. Let's face it, in the Christian
community, you just don't hear about things unless you are looking for
them or they are preached from the pulpit, Christian magazines, radio or
websites. When you start talking about not spanking, many will suspect
you are criticizing and interfering in their parenting. Some will
suspect you are the antichrist, trying to interfere in their freedom of
religion. They certainly will not listen unless the Christian "expert"
has said it is so. I speak firsthand, because these all went through my
head when I first heard someone call hitting my light little swat on my
son's well-cloth-diaper-padded plastic-pants rear at the bank to show him
I meant business (I had already chased him down and got back in line
three times). I was not angry at my son, really. I just felt like he
was testing me to see what his boundaries were and what would I do if he
did not do what I said. Of course, now I see I was ALL wrong! But when
the man in line in front of me said, "Do you always hit your kids in
public?" I got in his face and aggressively said, "Yes! Always! Do you
have a problem with that?" I'm sure I confirmed his opinion that I was
some sort of violent, fanatical spanking maniac. I truly felt that he
was challenging my authority and was sending a message to my children
that they could not trust me. I felt very mother bearish. Now I am
convinced that God sent that man to the bank that day to test me, and
rather than politely question his views, I shut off any hope for
communication by my demeanor. I was close-minded and rude. And I paid
for it by seven more years of misunderstanding my role as parent. Over
the years, I would occasionally meet Christians who didn't spank, but
what they did seemed more cruel to me, like shutting them in a room or
grounding them so they could never socialize. It also seemed like too
much work for the parent. The church I presently attend is the first one
I've ever been to where the pastor dared to say the way of gentleness and
patience is better than spanking. And to hear what he does when his kids
don't do what he wants/says almost made me faint. I mean literally pass
out. His gentleness was so alien to me that I almost couldn't conceive
of it. I learned parenting not from the church, but from my mom. When I
first had my oldest, I think I did it naturally and right until a
busy-body started telling me to discipline him better. Before that, I
just simply picked him up if he was headed for the fireplace with a "No,
no, hot." My mother slapped, kicked, yanked, pulled and beat, but had
other times of being very affectionate. To me, a predictable, controlled
spanking was better than the way she was. But now I've found a better
way. If someone had presented the information to me in a logical manner
with all the alternatives a long time ago, my children would have been
better off. I would have sought more information and I would have
learned the lessons then that I had to learn later, and I could have
shown my husband a better way, too. Oh well, better late than never.
Now I don't believe in any form of negative discipline. Not even time
outs, except as a cooling off suggestion when someone's temper is wild.
I am learning to relate to my children in a different manner. Not that
there was a terrible relationship before, it is just much more mutually
respectful. I am still learning the new ways, and it is so good to be
changing.
I guess I needed to tell this story for myself. I hope no one minds.
Bonni
out in the Christian community. Let's face it, in the Christian
community, you just don't hear about things unless you are looking for
them or they are preached from the pulpit, Christian magazines, radio or
websites. When you start talking about not spanking, many will suspect
you are criticizing and interfering in their parenting. Some will
suspect you are the antichrist, trying to interfere in their freedom of
religion. They certainly will not listen unless the Christian "expert"
has said it is so. I speak firsthand, because these all went through my
head when I first heard someone call hitting my light little swat on my
son's well-cloth-diaper-padded plastic-pants rear at the bank to show him
I meant business (I had already chased him down and got back in line
three times). I was not angry at my son, really. I just felt like he
was testing me to see what his boundaries were and what would I do if he
did not do what I said. Of course, now I see I was ALL wrong! But when
the man in line in front of me said, "Do you always hit your kids in
public?" I got in his face and aggressively said, "Yes! Always! Do you
have a problem with that?" I'm sure I confirmed his opinion that I was
some sort of violent, fanatical spanking maniac. I truly felt that he
was challenging my authority and was sending a message to my children
that they could not trust me. I felt very mother bearish. Now I am
convinced that God sent that man to the bank that day to test me, and
rather than politely question his views, I shut off any hope for
communication by my demeanor. I was close-minded and rude. And I paid
for it by seven more years of misunderstanding my role as parent. Over
the years, I would occasionally meet Christians who didn't spank, but
what they did seemed more cruel to me, like shutting them in a room or
grounding them so they could never socialize. It also seemed like too
much work for the parent. The church I presently attend is the first one
I've ever been to where the pastor dared to say the way of gentleness and
patience is better than spanking. And to hear what he does when his kids
don't do what he wants/says almost made me faint. I mean literally pass
out. His gentleness was so alien to me that I almost couldn't conceive
of it. I learned parenting not from the church, but from my mom. When I
first had my oldest, I think I did it naturally and right until a
busy-body started telling me to discipline him better. Before that, I
just simply picked him up if he was headed for the fireplace with a "No,
no, hot." My mother slapped, kicked, yanked, pulled and beat, but had
other times of being very affectionate. To me, a predictable, controlled
spanking was better than the way she was. But now I've found a better
way. If someone had presented the information to me in a logical manner
with all the alternatives a long time ago, my children would have been
better off. I would have sought more information and I would have
learned the lessons then that I had to learn later, and I could have
shown my husband a better way, too. Oh well, better late than never.
Now I don't believe in any form of negative discipline. Not even time
outs, except as a cooling off suggestion when someone's temper is wild.
I am learning to relate to my children in a different manner. Not that
there was a terrible relationship before, it is just much more mutually
respectful. I am still learning the new ways, and it is so good to be
changing.
I guess I needed to tell this story for myself. I hope no one minds.
Bonni
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/21/02 1:58:42 PM, azhom@... writes:
<< My interpretation of the post was that she wanted to
clarify that not all Christians beat their children with dowell rods!! I
too, am a christian, I do not beat my children with anything. >>
I didn't say that.
I said Andrea Yates was a fan of the passage that many Christian
homeschooling sites use to defend punishing children with rods and wooden
spoons and such.
It doesn't matter if a million Christians do NOT beat their children, what
makes my statement true is that there are Christian Homeschooling WEBsites
which advocate it, and use the threatening Bible verse that says if the
parents fail to discipline the children, God will get them.
It seems there are five children dead and thousands of others getting marked
by spankings because LOTS of Christians don't believe the counter-arguments
posted here today.
If someone wants to defend what the Bible says, do it there, to the
Christians who are claiming another interpretation.
Sandra
<< My interpretation of the post was that she wanted to
clarify that not all Christians beat their children with dowell rods!! I
too, am a christian, I do not beat my children with anything. >>
I didn't say that.
I said Andrea Yates was a fan of the passage that many Christian
homeschooling sites use to defend punishing children with rods and wooden
spoons and such.
It doesn't matter if a million Christians do NOT beat their children, what
makes my statement true is that there are Christian Homeschooling WEBsites
which advocate it, and use the threatening Bible verse that says if the
parents fail to discipline the children, God will get them.
It seems there are five children dead and thousands of others getting marked
by spankings because LOTS of Christians don't believe the counter-arguments
posted here today.
If someone wants to defend what the Bible says, do it there, to the
Christians who are claiming another interpretation.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/21/02 3:27:24 PM, lurine@... writes:
<< Well, I know tons and tons of Christians and very few of them are "bad"
fundies or 3Rs and the vast majority do NOT follow that IDIOT (yes I mean
that in a very negative way) Ezzo's teachings! Most are poles apart from
Ezzo and the rest of the discipline an infant with a rod crew!
Unfortunately, we are up against the old labeling thing again! Which is one
more reason we don't "do" labels in this family! >>
Not counting "IDIOT" and "'bad' fundies" ?
<< Well, I know tons and tons of Christians and very few of them are "bad"
fundies or 3Rs and the vast majority do NOT follow that IDIOT (yes I mean
that in a very negative way) Ezzo's teachings! Most are poles apart from
Ezzo and the rest of the discipline an infant with a rod crew!
Unfortunately, we are up against the old labeling thing again! Which is one
more reason we don't "do" labels in this family! >>
Not counting "IDIOT" and "'bad' fundies" ?
Bonni Sollars
"Maybe he was."
Yes, I'm sure he was, and I don't have a problem with that now. In fact,
it was true, I don't believe I had the authority to hit my child. I
don't think my kids could trust me then. I was sending all the wrong
messages to Caleb. I was also strongly influenced to control him by the
feeling that he was getting on everyone's nerves, even though no one had
complained. That one man who thought hitting a child in public was
"disgusting" was the one whose opinion I should have cared about. My
sister-in-law and I have discussed the fact that we both gave up our
natural parenting instincts because of a fear of offending other people.
How sad.
Bonni
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes, I'm sure he was, and I don't have a problem with that now. In fact,
it was true, I don't believe I had the authority to hit my child. I
don't think my kids could trust me then. I was sending all the wrong
messages to Caleb. I was also strongly influenced to control him by the
feeling that he was getting on everyone's nerves, even though no one had
complained. That one man who thought hitting a child in public was
"disgusting" was the one whose opinion I should have cared about. My
sister-in-law and I have discussed the fact that we both gave up our
natural parenting instincts because of a fear of offending other people.
How sad.
Bonni
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kolleen
>I'm sure I confirmed his opinion that I was[snip]
>some sort of violent, fanatical spanking maniac.
>I guess I needed to tell this story for myself. I hope no one minds.I, for one, certainly didn't mind. I think the story had lots of color,
>Bonni
especially that the top line that I quoted.
Glad to hear that you've found alternatives.
kolleen
joanna514
> I guess I needed to tell this story for myself. I hope no oneminds.
> BonniI love stories like this!
Joanna
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/21/02 9:31:12 PM, BSOLLARS@... writes:
<< I truly felt that he
was challenging my authority and was sending a message to my children
that they could not trust me. >>
Maybe he was.
I said something to a woman who dragged her little girl out of the library by
the arm one day, spanking her and yelling at her, and kind of threw her
toward a bench, still yelling. I can't remember exactly what I said, but it
was more for the girl's benefit than for her mom's. It was something like
maybe she (the mom) should calm down and think of something better to do.
She glared at me and said something like "mind your own business," but the
thing is she had made it my business by doing it in front of my and my own
young child. And so I stared levelly back right in her eyes, in way of
letting her know I wasn't going to back down and I wasn't going to forget it.
I expect she was not as mean to the girl, at least for a while.
Sandra
<< I truly felt that he
was challenging my authority and was sending a message to my children
that they could not trust me. >>
Maybe he was.
I said something to a woman who dragged her little girl out of the library by
the arm one day, spanking her and yelling at her, and kind of threw her
toward a bench, still yelling. I can't remember exactly what I said, but it
was more for the girl's benefit than for her mom's. It was something like
maybe she (the mom) should calm down and think of something better to do.
She glared at me and said something like "mind your own business," but the
thing is she had made it my business by doing it in front of my and my own
young child. And so I stared levelly back right in her eyes, in way of
letting her know I wasn't going to back down and I wasn't going to forget it.
I expect she was not as mean to the girl, at least for a while.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
> And so I stared levelly back right in her eyes, in way ofPossibly. I've heard adults who were abused as children say that that kind
>letting her know I wasn't going to back down and I wasn't going to forget it.
>
>
>I expect she was not as mean to the girl, at least for a while.
of intevention made the parent worse for a while.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/22/02 12:14:15 AM, leschke@... writes:
<< Possibly. I've heard adults who were abused as children say that that
kind
of intevention made the parent worse for a while. >>
I've heard a story like that too, but the person said she was aware then that
other adults would defend her.
So maybe it was a first for the daughter.
Sandra
<< Possibly. I've heard adults who were abused as children say that that
kind
of intevention made the parent worse for a while. >>
I've heard a story like that too, but the person said she was aware then that
other adults would defend her.
So maybe it was a first for the daughter.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
>You're probably right, and that would be reason enough for doing it.
>
><< Possibly. I've heard adults who were abused as children say that that
>kind
>of intevention made the parent worse for a while. >>
>
>I've heard a story like that too, but the person said she was aware then that
>other adults would defend her.
>
>So maybe it was a first for the daughter.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
rumpleteasermom
Tia,
This was something I had to work on a lot within myself. I wanted
them to help but I had to let go of it being done my way. That took
a conscious effort to acheive. I'm not really picky about things in
general but I have a few specific things I get anal about. I had to
work really hard to get rid of a few of them (like putting hte
silverware away straight - - but the flipside, I don't care how the
pots and pans are put away.)
Bridget
This was something I had to work on a lot within myself. I wanted
them to help but I had to let go of it being done my way. That took
a conscious effort to acheive. I'm not really picky about things in
general but I have a few specific things I get anal about. I had to
work really hard to get rid of a few of them (like putting hte
silverware away straight - - but the flipside, I don't care how the
pots and pans are put away.)
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
>
> I have until yesterday insisted on one chore daily in the kitchen.
After
> another hassle about doing it the way *I* wanted it done, I realized
that
> maybe he'd just rather find other ways to contribute to the family.
Tia Leschke
>Tia,Yeah, it can be a hard one. I'm not particularly anal about the way the
>
>This was something I had to work on a lot within myself. I wanted
>them to help but I had to let go of it being done my way. That took
>a conscious effort to acheive. I'm not really picky about things in
>general but I have a few specific things I get anal about. I had to
>work really hard to get rid of a few of them (like putting hte
>silverware away straight - - but the flipside, I don't care how the
>pots and pans are put away.)
house looks, but it drives me nuts to see literal garbage mixed in with the
dirty dishes I'm going to wash, just because someone was too lazy to put it
in the garbage. All in all, I'd rather do the clearing and stacking myself
unless I'm going out in the evening. And Lars already seems much happier
and easier to get along with since I told him I was leaving his
contributions up to him. It's amazing how such a seemingly little thing
can make such a big difference. I guess it's because it's not really that
little.
<G>
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
[email protected]
(like putting hte
silverware away straight - - but the flipside, I don't care how the
pots and pans are put away.)
Bridget
I am laughing hysterically! This is a big deal for me. since I am the cook
(they think i'm short-order)
I need the Kitchen kept a certain way. Things go where they go so when you
need something it's there.
The day we moved in, I placed all the pots and pans in the cabinet. Frying &
saute pans nested, pots with lids on top in a particular place oven mitts to
the left.
This is how it has been since. I even called everyone over and said. See how
the pots & pans are placed? We can see all of them, the lids are right
there, so no searching. Everyone agreed, "wow, that's so organized. What a
great idea. Yea we can do that"
<big sigh>
Everytime I open to door after the dishes are put away I see........
Big lids on little pots, little lids IN big pots, big pans on top of little
pans.
I can never find anything.
WHY CAN'T THEY DO AS I SAY?!?!?!?!<stomping foot>
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
silverware away straight - - but the flipside, I don't care how the
pots and pans are put away.)
Bridget
I am laughing hysterically! This is a big deal for me. since I am the cook
(they think i'm short-order)
I need the Kitchen kept a certain way. Things go where they go so when you
need something it's there.
The day we moved in, I placed all the pots and pans in the cabinet. Frying &
saute pans nested, pots with lids on top in a particular place oven mitts to
the left.
This is how it has been since. I even called everyone over and said. See how
the pots & pans are placed? We can see all of them, the lids are right
there, so no searching. Everyone agreed, "wow, that's so organized. What a
great idea. Yea we can do that"
<big sigh>
Everytime I open to door after the dishes are put away I see........
Big lids on little pots, little lids IN big pots, big pans on top of little
pans.
I can never find anything.
WHY CAN'T THEY DO AS I SAY?!?!?!?!<stomping foot>
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Lynda
We had several instances of children being brought into the hospital where I
worked who were severly beaten AT HOME after an incident in public.
And, on the other hand, I've received calls and cards at a later date or
heard from other kids that an intervention like that saved their lives or at
least made it somewhat better.
There is no way to know which way the abuser will react but I hate to do
nothing simply because sometimes it makes it worse.
guess you have to file this under "damned if you do, damned if you don't."
Lynda
worked who were severly beaten AT HOME after an incident in public.
And, on the other hand, I've received calls and cards at a later date or
heard from other kids that an intervention like that saved their lives or at
least made it somewhat better.
There is no way to know which way the abuser will react but I hate to do
nothing simply because sometimes it makes it worse.
guess you have to file this under "damned if you do, damned if you don't."
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Spanking implements!!
>
> > And so I stared levelly back right in her eyes, in way of
> >letting her know I wasn't going to back down and I wasn't going to forget
it.
> >
> >
> >I expect she was not as mean to the girl, at least for a while.
>
> Possibly. I've heard adults who were abused as children say that that
kind
> of intevention made the parent worse for a while.
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
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rumpleteasermom
Oh. Elissa, you'd never survive in this house!!! There are
essentially five ciooks all with different ideas of where things
should go!
Bridget
essentially five ciooks all with different ideas of where things
should go!
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
> I am laughing hysterically! This is a big deal for me. since I am
the cook
> (they think i'm short-order)
> I need the Kitchen kept a certain way. Things go where they go so
when you
> need something it's there.
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I hate weh people go in MY kitchen. I feel so possesive. I don't
particularly act that way though to the rest of them. It's a joke in our
home.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
particularly act that way though to the rest of them. It's a joke in our
home.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Lynda
TeeHee, maybe I'll send hubby over to "help" Elissa with her kitchen
organization <g>
Lynda, whose hubby cannot put anything back in the same place twice!
organization <g>
Lynda, whose hubby cannot put anything back in the same place twice!
----- Original Message -----
From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:33 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Kitchen Organization
> Oh. Elissa, you'd never survive in this house!!! There are
> essentially five ciooks all with different ideas of where things
> should go!
>
> Bridget
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
>
> > I am laughing hysterically! This is a big deal for me. since I am
> the cook
> > (they think i'm short-order)
> > I need the Kitchen kept a certain way. Things go where they go so
> when you
> > need something it's there.
>
>
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TeeHee, maybe I'll send hubby over to "help" Elissa with her kitchen
organization <g>
Lynda, whose hubby cannot put anything back in the same place twice!
NOoooo!!!! I'll never disagree with anything you say ever again!!!
AAAAHHHHHH!!!!! <running away with hands flapping over my head>
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
organization <g>
Lynda, whose hubby cannot put anything back in the same place twice!
NOoooo!!!! I'll never disagree with anything you say ever again!!!
AAAAHHHHHH!!!!! <running away with hands flapping over my head>
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
zenmomma *
>>I guess I needed to tell this story for myself. I hope no one minds.Bonni>>
I just loved every part of this post. Thank you so much for sharing your
enlightenment from a Christian perspective.
Life is good.
~Mary
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>>I was also strongly influenced to control him by the feeling that he wasThis was one of my biggest fears to get over. The fear of "what are other's
>>getting on everyone's nerves, even though no one had complained.>>
thinking of me?". The thing is, so many people have so many ideas of what's
acceptable behavior. If my kids are ruining an experience for others or
being rude or obnoxious, I'll step in and point out to them what effect
their behavior is having. If they're just being exuberant kids, well, that's
different. :o)
Life is good.
~Mary
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Lynda
We are looking to buy another house. For one thing, I can't take living in
the city anymore. The second thing is that one bathroom and five people
plus all the "orphans" the kidlets bring home just doesn't work.
We were talking about it the other night and I said I only have three
criteria for the realtor to meet. 1) Two or more bathrooms; 2) LAND and 3)
a REAL kitchen! We currently have a weird wall for a kitchen compliments of
the old folks who remodeled this old house.
Before I try and cook anything, I scurry around to find everything I need.
All the kidlets are as bad as hubby when it comes to putting things away.
The operative word is "away," not where they belong. Luckily with pots and
pans most of then are hanging so they can't get too lost. Everything else
is a treasure hunt!
I want a REAL kitchen with a pantry and book shelves! I have hundreds of
cookbooks (some from the 1800s) and no place to put them %-{
Some of the cookbooks have kidlet momentos in them -- little batter
fingerprints from when they first learned how to cook. We have pressed
flowers between the pages that they have collected and their "math" pages as
they learned about fractions and weights and measures as they cooked.
It was a hoot when the mil from h*ll asked eldest son if he knew his
fractions and he told her, "sure," with that "like duh" tone. Then she
asked him (knowing I only had college math books in the house) how he was
learning fractions and he said Better Homes and Gardens <g>
Lynda
Lynda
the city anymore. The second thing is that one bathroom and five people
plus all the "orphans" the kidlets bring home just doesn't work.
We were talking about it the other night and I said I only have three
criteria for the realtor to meet. 1) Two or more bathrooms; 2) LAND and 3)
a REAL kitchen! We currently have a weird wall for a kitchen compliments of
the old folks who remodeled this old house.
Before I try and cook anything, I scurry around to find everything I need.
All the kidlets are as bad as hubby when it comes to putting things away.
The operative word is "away," not where they belong. Luckily with pots and
pans most of then are hanging so they can't get too lost. Everything else
is a treasure hunt!
I want a REAL kitchen with a pantry and book shelves! I have hundreds of
cookbooks (some from the 1800s) and no place to put them %-{
Some of the cookbooks have kidlet momentos in them -- little batter
fingerprints from when they first learned how to cook. We have pressed
flowers between the pages that they have collected and their "math" pages as
they learned about fractions and weights and measures as they cooked.
It was a hoot when the mil from h*ll asked eldest son if he knew his
fractions and he told her, "sure," with that "like duh" tone. Then she
asked him (knowing I only had college math books in the house) how he was
learning fractions and he said Better Homes and Gardens <g>
Lynda
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <ElissaJC@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Kitchen Organization
> TeeHee, maybe I'll send hubby over to "help" Elissa with her kitchen
> organization <g>
> Lynda, whose hubby cannot put anything back in the same place twice!
>
> NOoooo!!!! I'll never disagree with anything you say ever again!!!
> AAAAHHHHHH!!!!! <running away with hands flapping over my head>
> ~Elissa Cleaveland
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
>
>
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rumpleteasermom
This one is a big problem for me with Wyndham. He is ten but he is
big for his age. He can hurt little kids without meaning to. He also
can get out of control quickly. I feel like I'm walking a tightrope
sometimes - between letting him be and keeping him safe and not out of
control/wild.
It was much easier with the girls. I can weather dirty looks (because
I let them climb trees among other things) but with Wyndham I feel
like it is so much less safe to just let him go without watching very
carefully. I feel like potential for him to get hurt or hurt someone
else is so much more there with him.
Bridget
big for his age. He can hurt little kids without meaning to. He also
can get out of control quickly. I feel like I'm walking a tightrope
sometimes - between letting him be and keeping him safe and not out of
control/wild.
It was much easier with the girls. I can weather dirty looks (because
I let them climb trees among other things) but with Wyndham I feel
like it is so much less safe to just let him go without watching very
carefully. I feel like potential for him to get hurt or hurt someone
else is so much more there with him.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@h...> wrote:
> This was one of my biggest fears to get over. The fear of "what are
other's
> thinking of me?". The thing is, so many people have so many ideas of
what's
> acceptable behavior. If my kids are ruining an experience for others
or
> being rude or obnoxious, I'll step in and point out to them what
effect
> their behavior is having. If they're just being exuberant kids,
well, that's
> different. :o)
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>