Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
zenmomma *
>>BTW, Sandra could out-debate the POPE on the subject of being christian soOohhhh....I don't think we need a debate on *being* Christian. And probably
>>watch out! :o) LOL>>
Sandra does not want any gauntlets thrown down for her. :o) There are
certain segments of the homeschooling community that *are* very vocal and
*are* based on their version of Christianity. As their beliefs bubble over
into, and affect, our unschooling world, there's the discussion.
Life is good.
~Mary
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Yes, "being christian" was not the best way to put it. P{robably not a good
way. I sat and thought for a while and couldn't put the right words
together.
Sorry.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
way. I sat and thought for a while and couldn't put the right words
together.
Sorry.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Heather Woodward
I often have a problem when the media describes people such as Yates as "Christian" or how about the headline "Homeschooling mother kills children" - it almost implies that homeschooling or Christianity had something to do with it. Remember the child who died in a plane crash, because she was learning to fly at like 10 or something... there was a big uproar because she was an unschooler. Almost as if, because she was an unschooler that explained why she was "allowed" to take flying lessons. That her parents were somehow negligent because they gave her flying lessons - If she had been a public schooled child - no one would exclaim "child killed while taking flying lessons - she was public-schooled"
Heather
Heather
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
Yes, "being christian" was not the best way to put it. P{robably not a good
way. I sat and thought for a while and couldn't put the right words
together.
Sorry.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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Lynda
Was she really? We didn't see that here in either newspapers or on the
news. What we got was a whole bunch of folks wanting to smack the father
and pilot up along side the head because they knew better but it was all
about the father's need to break that record.
Lynda
news. What we got was a whole bunch of folks wanting to smack the father
and pilot up along side the head because they knew better but it was all
about the father's need to break that record.
Lynda
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From: "Heather Woodward" <bacwoodz@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
> I often have a problem when the media describes people such as Yates as
"Christian" or how about the headline "Homeschooling mother kills
children" - it almost implies that homeschooling or Christianity had
something to do with it. Remember the child who died in a plane crash,
because she was learning to fly at like 10 or something... there was a big
uproar because she was an unschooler. Almost as if, because she was an
unschooler that explained why she was "allowed" to take flying lessons. That
her parents were somehow negligent because they gave her flying lessons - If
she had been a public schooled child - no one would exclaim "child killed
while taking flying lessons - she was public-schooled"
>
> Heather
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ElissaJC@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
>
>
> Yes, "being christian" was not the best way to put it. P{robably not a
good
> way. I sat and thought for a while and couldn't put the right words
> together.
> Sorry.
> ~Elissa Cleaveland
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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Cindy
Lynda wrote:
The flight instructor was the pilot in command - it was his decision.
He made the wrong one and 3 people died. I had just stopped my flying
lessons (morning sickness and flying in small planes didn't mix well
for me) and my flight instructor was furious over how the media
covered the story.
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
>She was. She lived in southern San Mateo County on the coast.
> Was she really? We didn't see that here in either newspapers or on the
> news. What we got was a whole bunch of folks wanting to smack the father
> and pilot up along side the head because they knew better but it was all
> about the father's need to break that record.
>
The flight instructor was the pilot in command - it was his decision.
He made the wrong one and 3 people died. I had just stopped my flying
lessons (morning sickness and flying in small planes didn't mix well
for me) and my flight instructor was furious over how the media
covered the story.
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
Lynda
Did you ever go back and finish the flying lessons? The kidlets all
received one lesson as a gift at Christmas and are eagerly awaiting better
weather. Of course, by now they are thinking we will never get better
weather this year.
Lynda, looking at snow on the hills in MARCH which is unheard of!
received one lesson as a gift at Christmas and are eagerly awaiting better
weather. Of course, by now they are thinking we will never get better
weather this year.
Lynda, looking at snow on the hills in MARCH which is unheard of!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy" <crma@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
>
>
> Lynda wrote:
> >
> > Was she really? We didn't see that here in either newspapers or on the
> > news. What we got was a whole bunch of folks wanting to smack the
father
> > and pilot up along side the head because they knew better but it was all
> > about the father's need to break that record.
> >
>
> She was. She lived in southern San Mateo County on the coast.
>
> The flight instructor was the pilot in command - it was his decision.
> He made the wrong one and 3 people died. I had just stopped my flying
> lessons (morning sickness and flying in small planes didn't mix well
> for me) and my flight instructor was furious over how the media
> covered the story.
>
> --
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
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rumpleteasermom
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
The case that gets me is the Lavery case here in Akron. I'm so sick
of headlines that start with "homeschooling father of. . . "
Bridget
> Was she really? We didn't see that here in either newspapers or onthe
> news. What we got was a whole bunch of folks wanting to smack thefather
> and pilot up along side the head because they knew better but it wasall
> about the father's need to break that record.I didn't know she was home/unschooled either until I read it here.
>
> Lynda
The case that gets me is the Lavery case here in Akron. I'm so sick
of headlines that start with "homeschooling father of. . . "
Bridget
Cindy
Lynda wrote:
learning to fly) - we both got sidetracked by our relationship and
didn't finish. It would have been difficult to stay current with
two small children ("stay current" is pilot speak for flying a certain
number of hours in a certain length of time under very specific conditions
the FAA is incredibly anal about all that!). Now that they are older
we could but now we have other interests. Who knows what we will do
in the future? I wanted to learn to fly so I could then work on
being a glider pilot. The places to do gliding around here are quite
a drive so I figured I could fly into the glider ports and spend more
time in the air.
It is quite interesting being in the air with the big boys. One evening
a C-140 was doing flight manuevers over Half Moon Bay just like I was.
I was quite nervous to be so close to that plane - but my instructor
informed me that it was so big it only looked like it was close! I've
been in one on the ground but it's another thing to have it flying near
you! Flights into SFO would routinely fly over us too. Learning to share
the sky with the big boys is part of being a pilot.
I agree about the weather! I'm wondering if we will see snow again.
It is cold and wet out there (okay cold for coastal CA - it's in the
high 40s!).
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
>Not yet. Rob and I met in ground school (the book learning part of
> Did you ever go back and finish the flying lessons? The kidlets all
> received one lesson as a gift at Christmas and are eagerly awaiting better
> weather. Of course, by now they are thinking we will never get better
> weather this year.
>
> Lynda, looking at snow on the hills in MARCH which is unheard of!
>
learning to fly) - we both got sidetracked by our relationship and
didn't finish. It would have been difficult to stay current with
two small children ("stay current" is pilot speak for flying a certain
number of hours in a certain length of time under very specific conditions
the FAA is incredibly anal about all that!). Now that they are older
we could but now we have other interests. Who knows what we will do
in the future? I wanted to learn to fly so I could then work on
being a glider pilot. The places to do gliding around here are quite
a drive so I figured I could fly into the glider ports and spend more
time in the air.
It is quite interesting being in the air with the big boys. One evening
a C-140 was doing flight manuevers over Half Moon Bay just like I was.
I was quite nervous to be so close to that plane - but my instructor
informed me that it was so big it only looked like it was close! I've
been in one on the ground but it's another thing to have it flying near
you! Flights into SFO would routinely fly over us too. Learning to share
the sky with the big boys is part of being a pilot.
I agree about the weather! I'm wondering if we will see snow again.
It is cold and wet out there (okay cold for coastal CA - it's in the
high 40s!).
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
vivrh
Cindy- Half Moon Bay is my old stomping ground I was born and raised in Redwood City!
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
God bless
Vivian
Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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From: Cindy
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
Lynda wrote:
>
> Did you ever go back and finish the flying lessons? The kidlets all
> received one lesson as a gift at Christmas and are eagerly awaiting better
> weather. Of course, by now they are thinking we will never get better
> weather this year.
>
> Lynda, looking at snow on the hills in MARCH which is unheard of!
>
Not yet. Rob and I met in ground school (the book learning part of
learning to fly) - we both got sidetracked by our relationship and
didn't finish. It would have been difficult to stay current with
two small children ("stay current" is pilot speak for flying a certain
number of hours in a certain length of time under very specific conditions
the FAA is incredibly anal about all that!). Now that they are older
we could but now we have other interests. Who knows what we will do
in the future? I wanted to learn to fly so I could then work on
being a glider pilot. The places to do gliding around here are quite
a drive so I figured I could fly into the glider ports and spend more
time in the air.
It is quite interesting being in the air with the big boys. One evening
a C-140 was doing flight manuevers over Half Moon Bay just like I was.
I was quite nervous to be so close to that plane - but my instructor
informed me that it was so big it only looked like it was close! I've
been in one on the ground but it's another thing to have it flying near
you! Flights into SFO would routinely fly over us too. Learning to share
the sky with the big boys is part of being a pilot.
I agree about the weather! I'm wondering if we will see snow again.
It is cold and wet out there (okay cold for coastal CA - it's in the
high 40s!).
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
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Lynda
We had a glider trip planned over Sonoma/Napa one year. Hubby bought it as
a present. We both got the flu and had to cancel. Another couple took our
space and they crashed (the husband and pilot died). Made me twitchy about
gliders and I refuse to go up in one now <g>
My cousin flew with the Blue Angels and he said that he hated to see small
planes in their fly zones. I guess they create "waves" just like the bigger
boats do to smaller boats.
Lynda
a present. We both got the flu and had to cancel. Another couple took our
space and they crashed (the husband and pilot died). Made me twitchy about
gliders and I refuse to go up in one now <g>
My cousin flew with the Blue Angels and he said that he hated to see small
planes in their fly zones. I guess they create "waves" just like the bigger
boats do to smaller boats.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy" <crma@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
>
>
> Lynda wrote:
> >
> > Did you ever go back and finish the flying lessons? The kidlets all
> > received one lesson as a gift at Christmas and are eagerly awaiting
better
> > weather. Of course, by now they are thinking we will never get better
> > weather this year.
> >
> > Lynda, looking at snow on the hills in MARCH which is unheard of!
> >
> Not yet. Rob and I met in ground school (the book learning part of
> learning to fly) - we both got sidetracked by our relationship and
> didn't finish. It would have been difficult to stay current with
> two small children ("stay current" is pilot speak for flying a certain
> number of hours in a certain length of time under very specific conditions
> the FAA is incredibly anal about all that!). Now that they are older
> we could but now we have other interests. Who knows what we will do
> in the future? I wanted to learn to fly so I could then work on
> being a glider pilot. The places to do gliding around here are quite
> a drive so I figured I could fly into the glider ports and spend more
> time in the air.
>
> It is quite interesting being in the air with the big boys. One evening
> a C-140 was doing flight manuevers over Half Moon Bay just like I was.
> I was quite nervous to be so close to that plane - but my instructor
> informed me that it was so big it only looked like it was close! I've
> been in one on the ground but it's another thing to have it flying near
> you! Flights into SFO would routinely fly over us too. Learning to share
> the sky with the big boys is part of being a pilot.
>
> I agree about the weather! I'm wondering if we will see snow again.
> It is cold and wet out there (okay cold for coastal CA - it's in the
> high 40s!).
>
> --
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
>
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Tia Leschke
>You're getting the same nasty so-called spring weather we're getting up
>
>Lynda, looking at snow on the hills in MARCH which is unheard of!
this way. And it's almost unheard of here too, at least at sea level,
where we are. And the hills are worse. Rod has been snowed out for a
couple of weeks, and it looks like it's going to be at least another couple
of weeks. It's probably a good thing though. The company he has a
tree-planting contract with is *very* close to bankruptcy (thanks to the
softwood tariff mainly) and this way he'll have a chance to see whether he
gets paid for work already done before doing any more that he might not get
paid for.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Lynda
I have a friend who lives in Seattle and I asked her if she would be so kind
as to take back her weather. She said she'd try but it doesn't seem to be
working <g>
The only one not complaining is the youngest kidlet because she built a
weather station and she's been busy charting weather and then looking up
various years to compare it to.
Her comment the other day was a hoot. She had finished checking her weather
station and then she checked to see what the weather person had said the
weather was going to be like. She was being real industrious and flipping
pages like crazy and I asked her what she was doing. She gave me this very
serious look and said, "If weathermen always make so many mistakes, how do
they keep their jobs?"
Lynda
as to take back her weather. She said she'd try but it doesn't seem to be
working <g>
The only one not complaining is the youngest kidlet because she built a
weather station and she's been busy charting weather and then looking up
various years to compare it to.
Her comment the other day was a hoot. She had finished checking her weather
station and then she checked to see what the weather person had said the
weather was going to be like. She was being real industrious and flipping
pages like crazy and I asked her what she was doing. She gave me this very
serious look and said, "If weathermen always make so many mistakes, how do
they keep their jobs?"
Lynda
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From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:25 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Weather was Andrea Yates now SANDRA
>
> >
> >
> >Lynda, looking at snow on the hills in MARCH which is unheard of!
>
> You're getting the same nasty so-called spring weather we're getting up
> this way. And it's almost unheard of here too, at least at sea level,
> where we are. And the hills are worse. Rod has been snowed out for a
> couple of weeks, and it looks like it's going to be at least another
couple
> of weeks. It's probably a good thing though. The company he has a
> tree-planting contract with is *very* close to bankruptcy (thanks to the
> softwood tariff mainly) and this way he'll have a chance to see whether he
> gets paid for work already done before doing any more that he might not
get
> paid for.
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
> leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yesterday I was talking to Zack (He's in Atlanta, I'm in Maryland) He said
it's been 80* there, today where I live it's 28* right now.
I would rather have the 80*.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
it's been 80* there, today where I live it's 28* right now.
I would rather have the 80*.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein