Bonni Sollars

Does anyone know, is there such a thing as music lessons on line? Right
now I can't use the internet unless I go to the Library, where they
restrict the time for net surfing. Maybe someone else knows already, to
save me time searching?
Bonni

frugalite

Hi Bonni,

Maybe this link could help?

http://datadragon.com/education/reading

Teresa :)

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bonni Sollars <BSOLLARS@J...> wrote:
> Does anyone know, is there such a thing as music lessons on line?
Right
> now I can't use the internet unless I go to the Library, where they
> restrict the time for net surfing. Maybe someone else knows
already, to
> save me time searching?
> Bonni

Freedom Panther

HI, BONNIE!

Do you have the following resources? They have oodles of info in them for a
variety of interests/subjects. Music, your particular interest, have
several offerings to be found in these bookis:

1) "Homeschooling Your Child for Free...Resources for Home Education on the
Internet and Beyond," by LauraMaery Gold & Joan M. Zielinski, ISBN
0-7615-2513-0. CHAPTER 9 deals exclusively with music.

2) "The First Year of Homeschooling Your Child," by Linda Dobson, ISBN
0-7615-2788-5 has lots of info in the back. "Thousands of Free Step-by-Step
Tutorials: http://www.learn2.com" was listed on pg. 284. I haven't
checked this out, yet.

3) "Homeschooling Almanac 2002-2003," by Mary & Michael Lepert, ISBN
0-7615-2856-3. Chapter on Music Programs and Materials. Lots of CD Roms,
audiocassettes, in case you don't find what you're looking for online right
away.

Also, a great "happened-to-find" book at Borders Outlet for $2.99:

4) "Good Music, Brighter Children," by Sharlene Habermeyer. Page 296
lists many internet sources for music information, etc.. Haven't finished
reading the book, yet, and I haven't checked out the internet soruces listed
therein. Looks like an absolute goldmine with over 50 listings.

I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW OLD YOUR CHILD/REN ARE. MY SON IS 9 1/2 YEARS OLD AND
LOVES TO DANCE, AND HE CREATES MUSIC ON THE COMPUTER WITH HIS "SIM TUNES"
SOFTWARE, but he's not yet interested in learning how to play an instrument.

WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK, ONCE YOU'VE CHECKED OUT SOME OF
THESE RESOURCES? You could help save me some time, too!

Blessings and Splendid Sunsrises!

Freedompanther

>From: "frugalite" <frugalite@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: music lessons on line
>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:59:52 -0000
>
>Hi Bonni,
>
>Maybe this link could help?
>
>http://datadragon.com/education/reading
>
>Teresa :)
>
>--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bonni Sollars <BSOLLARS@J...> wrote:
> > Does anyone know, is there such a thing as music lessons on line?
>Right
> > now I can't use the internet unless I go to the Library, where they
> > restrict the time for net surfing. Maybe someone else knows
>already, to
> > save me time searching?
> > Bonni
>


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Bonni Sollars

Freedompanther, Thanks for the info! I'll let you know after I explore
it. My children are 7, 9, 11 and 14. We have some self teaching piano
lessons. My oldest plays the trombone, but I can't afford lessons and
our attempt to get him in band at public school failed.
Bonni

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frugalite

Hi there,

I am just developing a magazine (online) for Homeschool Mums to share
all their neat teaching ideas and what they've been doing in
homeschool.

See what you think:
http://pages.ivillage.com/mumof4nz/homeschoolmumsmagazine

Please let me know what you think about it!

Teresa :)
Editor
Homeschool Mums Online Magazine

Joylyn

what about homeschool dads?

This seems rather sexist. My dh is a
homeschooling dad, at home with our girls
while I'm at work during the day, attending
all homeschooling functions, etc.

Joylyn

frugalite wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I am just developing a magazine (online)
> for Homeschool Mums to share
> all their neat teaching ideas and what
> they've been doing in
> homeschool.
>
> See what you think:
>
> ttp://pages.ivillage.com/mumof4nz/homeschoolmumsmagazine
>
> Please let me know what you think about it!
>
> Teresa :)
> Editor
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>
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[email protected]

Well, the visuals were nice but I'm not sure what comments on the content
was expected from an UNschooling list.

Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein


-----Original Message-----
From: frugalite <frugalite@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:18 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hi Homeschool Mums!


>Hi there,
>
>I am just developing a magazine (online) for Homeschool Mums to share
>all their neat teaching ideas and what they've been doing in
>homeschool.
>
>See what you think:
>http://pages.ivillage.com/mumof4nz/homeschoolmumsmagazine
>
>Please let me know what you think about it!
>
>Teresa :)
>Editor
>Homeschool Mums Online Magazine
>
>
>
>
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>Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
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Freedom Panther

I can see me taking advantage of shared recipes, home maintenance
time-saving ideas, arts and crafts offerings, and the like. If my son
decided he wanted to dip a toe into something drastic like language arts,
who is to say that there wouldn't be a wonderful unschooling suggestion
contained therein - or a suggestion that could be modified to fit the
"unschooling" concept - a little thought which I can tuck into the back of
my mind, then "spontaneously" pull out of the recesses of my mind when the
light gets turned on in Dylan's eyes. With the world as a learning
opportunity waiting to happen, I appreciate all the offerings available.
I'm at choice as to whether I follow up on any or all of them. For that I'm
supremely grateful.]

Just a thought,

Freedompanther


>From: <ElissaJC@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hi Homeschool Mums!
>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:41:37 -0500
>
>Well, the visuals were nice but I'm not sure what comments on the content
>was expected from an UNschooling list.
>
>Elissa Cleaveland
>"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
>have
>not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: frugalite <frugalite@...>
>To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>Date: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:18 PM
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Hi Homeschool Mums!
>
>
> >Hi there,
> >
> >I am just developing a magazine (online) for Homeschool Mums to share
> >all their neat teaching ideas and what they've been doing in
> >homeschool.
> >
> >See what you think:
> >http://pages.ivillage.com/mumof4nz/homeschoolmumsmagazine
> >
> >Please let me know what you think about it!
> >
> >Teresa :)
> >Editor
> >Homeschool Mums Online Magazine
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi, Bonni!

My son is 9 1/2 and not yet interested in learning how to play an
instrument. Perhaps some day. By then, maybe we'll have some WONDERFUL
feedback from your sleuthing!

Good luck.

Freedompanther

>From: Bonni Sollars <BSOLLARS@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: music lessons on line
>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:17:08 -0500
>
>Freedompanther, Thanks for the info! I'll let you know after I explore
>it. My children are 7, 9, 11 and 14. We have some self teaching piano
>lessons. My oldest plays the trombone, but I can't afford lessons and
>our attempt to get him in band at public school failed.
>Bonni
>
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Unschooling is looking past the artificially created subject classifications
that schools use. Most children that have grown up in an unschooling
atmosphere are not going to say, "Mom, I would like to learn Language arts
now". "LA" is again a false construct that institutional schools use to
break down the english language into a set of excercises designed to measure
"learning"
Unschooling is not about breaking life down into various subject headings.
Life just IS. Learning just HAPPENS.
Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein



If my son
>decided he wanted to dip a toe into something drastic like language arts,
>who is to say that there wouldn't be a wonderful unschooling suggestion
>contained therein - or a suggestion that could be modified to fit the
>"unschooling" concept - a little thought which I can tuck into the back of
>my mind, then "spontaneously" pull out of the recesses of my mind when the
>light gets turned on in Dylan's eyes.

the_earth_witch

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
> Well, the visuals were nice but I'm not sure what comments on the
content
> was expected from an UNschooling list.
>
> Elissa Cleaveland
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of
instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A.
Einstein


Perhaps constructive ideas about how to make the magazine more
readable for unschoolers? Perhaps views of curriculum from an
unschooler since there was a section for curriculum views. Perhaps
ideas of how she can label topics to make them more appealing to
unschoolers as well as homeschoolers.

Oh, and I doubt the intent of the magazine was to be sexist, but
perhaps since some one feels that way they could suggest a title that
they would feel is more inclusive?

There is a big difference between CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and
criticism. It seemed as though the poster was asking for the former
and would probably be helped more by it as well.
JMO.
Kitrina

the_earth_witch

It is well organized. I would find it more useful if there were an
unschooling area. Maybe you could add a section for unschoolers or
work on the subheadings to include unschooling "ways". Like under
schedules, you could add a subheading for people who do not use
shedules.

Hope that helps.

Kitrina


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "frugalite" <frugalite@y...> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I am just developing a magazine (online) for Homeschool Mums to
share
> all their neat teaching ideas and what they've been doing in
> homeschool.
>
> See what you think:
> http://pages.ivillage.com/mumof4nz/homeschoolmumsmagazine
>
> Please let me know what you think about it!
>
> Teresa :)
> Editor
> Homeschool Mums Online Magazine

Joylyn

As I am the person that said that it was
sexist have only mom in the title, and
explained why, I will say I don't see why the
name can't use the word family instead of mom
or dad.

Joylyn

the_earth_witch wrote:

> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y...,
> <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
> > Well, the visuals were nice but I'm not
> sure what comments on the
> content
> > was expected from an UNschooling list.
> >
> > Elissa Cleaveland
> > "It is nothing short of a miracle that
> the modern methods of
> instruction
> > have
> > not yet entirely strangled the holy
> curiosity of inquiry." A.
> Einstein
>
>
> Perhaps constructive ideas about how to
> make the magazine more
> readable for unschoolers? Perhaps views of
> curriculum from an
> unschooler since there was a section for
> curriculum views. Perhaps
> ideas of how she can label topics to make
> them more appealing to
> unschoolers as well as homeschoolers.
>
> Oh, and I doubt the intent of the magazine
> was to be sexist, but
> perhaps since some one feels that way they
> could suggest a title that
> they would feel is more inclusive?
>
> There is a big difference between
> CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and
> criticism. It seemed as though the poster
> was asking for the former
> and would probably be helped more by it as
> well.
> JMO.
> Kitrina
>
>
>
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the_earth_witch

>>>> Unschooling is looking past the artificially created subject
classifications
> that schools use. Most children that have grown up in an unschooling
> atmosphere are not going to say, "Mom, I would like to learn
Language arts
> now". "LA" is again a false construct that institutional schools
use to
> break down the english language into a set of excercises designed
to measure
> "learning">>>>


Okay, if YOU were creating a magazine for hsers & unschoolers, how
would YOU title the sections? If a new unschooler was concerned
about reading (a very common concern) where would they look? Under a
section titled LIFE? Or, would it be so wrong to title a section
language arts, knowing that under it there could be a topic about
children learning to read at their own pace along with other topics
concerning grammar, reading, etc? Putting a title to a section seems
to me a matter of convenience and organization. If I was looking for
a good craft project because my kids were asking for one, I would
like to be able to click on a section labelled "crafts" instead of
searching through an entire section called "life".

>>> Unschooling is not about breaking life down into various subject
headings.>>>>

Then what are your suggestions for the magazine? No subject
headings? A different name for them? How would you suggest
organizing it?

Kitrina

[email protected]

Ya know, I really was asking not critisizing. I really didn't know what was
expected from us on a curriculum site. I don't think that I was being
unreasonable. I just wanted to know. so I could give some constructive
remarks.
Geez!
Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein


-----Original Message-----
From: the_earth_witch <the_earth_witch@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!


>--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
>> Well, the visuals were nice but I'm not sure what comments on the
>content
>> was expected from an UNschooling list.
>>
>> Elissa Cleaveland
>> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of
>instruction
>> have
>> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A.
>Einstein
>
>
>Perhaps constructive ideas about how to make the magazine more
>readable for unschoolers? Perhaps views of curriculum from an
>unschooler since there was a section for curriculum views. Perhaps
>ideas of how she can label topics to make them more appealing to
>unschoolers as well as homeschoolers.
>
>Oh, and I doubt the intent of the magazine was to be sexist, but
>perhaps since some one feels that way they could suggest a title that
>they would feel is more inclusive?
>
>There is a big difference between CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and
>criticism. It seemed as though the poster was asking for the former
>and would probably be helped more by it as well.
>JMO.
>Kitrina
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Kolleen

>Kitrina wrote:
>Or, would it be so wrong to title a section
>language arts, knowing that under it there could be a topic about
>children learning to read at their own pace along with other topics
>concerning grammar, reading, etc? Putting a title to a section seems
>to me a matter of convenience and organization. If I was looking for
>a good craft project because my kids were asking for one, I would
>like to be able to click on a section labelled "crafts" instead of
>searching through an entire section called "life".

I myself, in my own ignorance, do not know what language arts meant. A
college graduate.. hahah! A fat good it did me!

What about simple terms for simple people like myself?

Art. Reading/Writing. Math. Science

Okay, with that said, I'll go take a look at the site and get back to yah!

regards,
kolleen

[email protected]

The post you quoted of mine was in response to another post NOT to the
website. I was simply commenting on teh post. Just thoughts that came out of
my head regarding unschooling.

As to someone making a HOME/UNschooling magazine, it was a homeschooling
one. It struck me as strange that they would want comments on such a
structured/ classified type of method from unschoolers. I asked because
maybe they don't really understand unschooling. Maybe they DO want to
incorporate unschooling ideas into the magazine. I was kind of wondering
where to start.

<<? If a new unschooler was concerned
>about reading (a very common concern) where would they look? >>
How about the unschooling.com boards? ;o>
This was not an unschooling magazine.

<<Or, would it be so wrong to title a section
>language arts, knowing that under it there could be a topic about
>children learning to read at their own pace along with other topics
>concerning grammar, reading, etc? >>
For unschoolers I think it would be so wrong. because it is still
categorizing learning which can be detrimental to true learning. Again,
schools do this to better quantify and qualify what students are "taught"

I may have come across abruptly, and apologize to the magazine editor for
that. I didn't mean to. She hasn't seemed to object to my questions though.
Why are *you* so annoyed with me?
Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein


>

Kolleen

>--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "frugalite" <frugalite@y...> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I am just developing a magazine (online) for Homeschool Mums to
>share
>> all their neat teaching ideas and what they've been doing in
>> homeschool.
>>
>> See what you think:
>> http://pages.ivillage.com/mumof4nz/homeschoolmumsmagazine
>>
>> Please let me know what you think about it!
>>
>> Teresa :)
>> Editor
>> Homeschool Mums Online Magazine


I think it does gear itself only towards the structured homeschooler. If
you want both audiences, I think there should be an option on the home
site.
*Unschoolers Enter Here
*Homeschoolers Enter Here

Within each of the second pages would be classifications. Some could
overlap. Things like structure, schedule and cirriculum would not. The
unschooling one would say things like:
un-cirruculum, unschooling schools, etc.

If you don't want both audiences, then its laid out quite well at it is.

regards,
kolleen

[email protected]

easymusictheory.com is a nice start for music lessons. I am 6 year homeschool veteran and my e-mail address is Traceyedu@... I am currently using my sister-in-laws computer the above e-mail is not from her. Thanks.
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Does anyone know, is there such a thing as music lessons on line? Right
now I can't use the internet unless I go to the Library, where they
restrict the time for net surfing. Maybe someone else knows already, to
save me time searching?
Bonni

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the_earth_witch

> <<? If a new unschooler was concerned
> >about reading (a very common concern) where would they look? >>

> How about the unschooling.com boards? ;o>

And would there be a title to certain areas to direct me to them?
Seems I recall there are such titles there....History, Math, etc.

>
> <<Or, would it be so wrong to title a section
> >language arts, knowing that under it there could be a topic about
> >children learning to read at their own pace along with other topics
> >concerning grammar, reading, etc? >>

> For unschoolers I think it would be so wrong. because it is still
> categorizing learning which can be detrimental to true learning.

So, the titles at unschooling.com, which you recomended and
categorize learning, would be detrimental? I am sorry, but perhaps I
am just not following what you mean. It seemed you objected to
classifying something as language arts. How would you organize a
website without a title to direct a person to a certain area? Do you
have a suggestion for the site owner on a way to title the sections
to make them more comfortable to unschoolers?

>>Again,
> schools do this to better quantify and qualify what students are
"taught">>

And a website would do it for organization so people would be able to
go directly to what they are interested in. And some unschoolers do
it because they have to meet state requirements.


>
> I may have come across abruptly, and apologize to the magazine
editor for
> that. I didn't mean to. She hasn't seemed to object to my questions
though.
> Why are *you* so annoyed with me?

Not annoyed with YOU, nothing personal. It was JMO that adding
something constructive might benefit the original poster more so than
just saying it was not unschooling. It seemed the responses were
negative and abrupt, which did not seem very helpful, IMO. Simple as
that.

Kitrina

[email protected]

<<. It seemed the responses were
>negative and abrupt, which did not seem very helpful, IMO. Simple as
>that. >>
Everyone has their own style. The tone *I* was typing with was obviously not
the tone *you* were reading with. That I can not help. Sometimes when I
read a post I try to read the same line in different voices in case I am
"reading" it wrong.

<<>So, the titles at unschooling.com, which you recomended and
>categorize learning, would be detrimental? >>
****That was said tongue-in-cheek.

<< I am sorry, but perhaps I
>am just not following what you mean. It seemed you objected to
>classifying something as language arts.
****I objected to unschoolers classifying something as LA. That's Different.
How would you organize a
>website without a title to direct a person to a certain area? Do you
>have a suggestion for the site owner on a way to title the sections
>to make them more comfortable to unschoolers? >>
I do not yet have a suggestion because I haven't read an answer to my
original question from teh magazine editor.
In my statement on classification of subject matter, I was refferring to
doing that while unschooling and stated my opinion on why it is detrimental.
I am not talking about her website. I was simply thinking outloud.

Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein


-----Original Message-----

>> <<? If a new unschooler was concerned
>> >about reading (a very common concern) where would they look? >>
>
>> How about the unschooling.com boards? ;o>
>
>And would there be a title to certain areas to direct me to them?
>Seems I recall there are such titles there....History, Math, etc.
>
>>
>> <<Or, would it be so wrong to title a section
>> >language arts, knowing that under it there could be a topic about
>> >children learning to read at their own pace along with other topics
>> >concerning grammar, reading, etc? >>
>
>> For unschoolers I think it would be so wrong. because it is still
>> categorizing learning which can be detrimental to true learning.
>
>>>Again,
>> schools do this to better quantify and qualify what students are
>"taught">>
>
>And a website would do it for organization so people would be able to
>go directly to what they are interested in. And some unschoolers do
>it because they have to meet state requirements.
>
>
>>
>> I may have come across abruptly, and apologize to the magazine
>editor for
>> that. I didn't mean to. She hasn't seemed to object to my questions
>though.
>> Why are *you* so annoyed with me?
>
>Not annoyed with YOU, nothing personal. It was JMO that adding
>something constructive might benefit the original poster more so than
>just saying it was not unschooling>
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Kitrina,

I tend to agree that labelling areas of learning assist in the process. My
filing cabinet contains folders labeled "music," "the natural world,"
"compassion education," "robotics," and, yes, "language arts," etc. The
language arts folder might contain ideas that I picked up from magazines,
books, other at-home-schoolers/ unschoolers, creative writing ideas, pen pal
lists, thank you notes...some inspired by my son, some by me. They are
there so that we can find them when we'd like to, but also to refresh our
tired minds when inspiration just isn't flowing and we're "bored."

Before I "organized" my materials, some were in folders, some in the
envelopes the catalogs came in, and yet others were in crates or in piles on
the floor. I could rarely put my hands on that particular thing that I knew
I had when I really wanted/needed it.

In the last month, since my filing cabinet and new bookshelf arrived (and I
took the time to label and categorize my material, providing each a "home"),
my life has become much less stressful and I am better able to utilize my
time - with my son, or in other ways, instead of searching my piles for
material to follow through on an inspiration we might be lucky enough to
have.

I'm just a few days old on this list and I admit to feeling as if I've been
chastised at least a couple of times for using language that others did not
feel fit the "unschooling" mold. (I'm not oblivious to the fact that my
feeling of being chastised might be me mucking around in my own issues, too)
Anyway, I'm doing my best to unlearn my way out of old convention - a baby
doesn't just stand up and start to run - there is a process of learning, of
trying and failing, of testing the waters and, perhaps, making different
choices. It takes a while to build up the strength, stamina, coordination,
and determination to tackle the awesome task of walking, and then running.
It comes most easily with gentle persuasion and encouragement and providing
a safe environment for the learner to feel comfortable and secure enough to
proceed.

I'm not directing this comment to anyone in particular, just expressing
myself as a newcomer. We're all in this forum for one reason or another,
and I imagine we are all making that choice on a daily basis.

I understand how people can be misunderstood when suffering a clear
disadvantage of not being physically present and/or at least a telephone
interaction where body language and/or voice inflection can provide
meaningful clues as to the intent behind the message conveyed.

Anyway, I've got to run. A client is due and I leave this post somewhat
anxious that I'm not taking more time to review before sending, but I hope
the "heart" in the message speaks kindly and no offense is taken.

Freedompanther





>From: "the_earth_witch" <the_earth_witch@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!
>Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:34:16 -0000
>
> > <<? If a new unschooler was concerned
> > >about reading (a very common concern) where would they look? >>
>
> > How about the unschooling.com boards? ;o>
>
>And would there be a title to certain areas to direct me to them?
>Seems I recall there are such titles there....History, Math, etc.
>
> >
> > <<Or, would it be so wrong to title a section
> > >language arts, knowing that under it there could be a topic about
> > >children learning to read at their own pace along with other topics
> > >concerning grammar, reading, etc? >>
>
> > For unschoolers I think it would be so wrong. because it is still
> > categorizing learning which can be detrimental to true learning.
>
>So, the titles at unschooling.com, which you recomended and
>categorize learning, would be detrimental? I am sorry, but perhaps I
>am just not following what you mean. It seemed you objected to
>classifying something as language arts. How would you organize a
>website without a title to direct a person to a certain area? Do you
>have a suggestion for the site owner on a way to title the sections
>to make them more comfortable to unschoolers?
>
> >>Again,
> > schools do this to better quantify and qualify what students are
>"taught">>
>
>And a website would do it for organization so people would be able to
>go directly to what they are interested in. And some unschoolers do
>it because they have to meet state requirements.
>
>
> >
> > I may have come across abruptly, and apologize to the magazine
>editor for
> > that. I didn't mean to. She hasn't seemed to object to my questions
>though.
> > Why are *you* so annoyed with me?
>
>Not annoyed with YOU, nothing personal. It was JMO that adding
>something constructive might benefit the original poster more so than
>just saying it was not unschooling. It seemed the responses were
>negative and abrupt, which did not seem very helpful, IMO. Simple as
>that.
>
>Kitrina
>
>
>


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>>>>> <<>So, the titles at unschooling.com, which you recomended and
> >categorize learning, would be detrimental? >>>>>>

>>****That was said tongue-in-cheek.>>


Actually, it was not.
It was a serious question, followed by ...

> << I am sorry, but perhaps I
> >am just not following what you mean. It seemed you objected to
> >classifying something as language arts.

...and was asked because it seemed there was some contradiction in
what was being said.

re---different posting styles...
you yourself said you may have been abrupt, which I thought was a
good way to describe it w/out any negative connotation. That is why
I used the term.
Seeing the posts as negative was subjective and I could have read
them wrong. However, it does not change my opinion or make it less
valid. If some one wants to communicate something, they are
responsible for communicating it in an understandable way and must
take their audience into consideration if they want to be
understood. If one were intending to be helpful, then it seems
logical that one would need to consider their audience even more. A
little more difficult on email, but entirely possible if one
remembers the people at the other end are real w/thoughts and
feelings. You said you were asking a question, yet it was worded as
a statement. Had it been a question, I would not have thought it
negative. Posting style differences? Perhaps, yet when on a list
where not everyone personally knows each other it seems, as posters,
we should consider how others might read what we write. While
posting style differences do exist, it is my opinion that
consideration when posting for how others read things could go a long
way to improving communication.

Kitrina

[email protected]

What I said was tongue in cheek was MY comment of :
"How about on the unschooling.com boards" followed by a little winking
symbol ---> ;o>
NOT your reply.
For the last time, I was commenting on another poster's comment NOT on the
website.
I also said that if I came across in a particular way I did not mean to.
If you don't like how I phrase my words, don't read my posts. You have NO
IDEA weather or not I was taking anything into consideration. You
immediately ASSUMED that I was being negative and pounced on me for it. and
now you are continuing to point out what I was saying and how I was saying
it. WHY is this conversation continuing? I don't even know why I am
responding. I feel like we are talking about two different things. I posted
a comment on unschooling and using subject titles. You assumed I was saying
this person shouldn't have titles for different web pages. For the last
time, that was not what I was saying. I was simply musing about something
that one post (NOT the website request, a different post) brought to mind.
Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein


-----Original Message-----
From: the_earth_witch <the_earth_witch@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:42 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!


>>>>>> <<>So, the titles at unschooling.com, which you recomended and
>> >categorize learning, would be detrimental? >>>>>>
>
>>>****That was said tongue-in-cheek.>>
>
>
>Actually, it was not.
>It was a serious question, followed by ...
>
>> << I am sorry, but perhaps I
>> >am just not following what you mean. It seemed you objected to
>> >classifying something as language arts.
>
>...and was asked because it seemed there was some contradiction in
>what was being said.
>
>re---different posting styles...
>you yourself said you may have been abrupt, which I thought was a
>good way to describe it w/out any negative connotation. That is why
>I used the term.
>Seeing the posts as negative was subjective and I could have read
>them wrong. However, it does not change my opinion or make it less
>valid. If some one wants to communicate something, they are
>responsible for communicating it in an understandable way and must
>take their audience into consideration if they want to be
>understood. If one were intending to be helpful, then it seems
>logical that one would need to consider their audience even more. A
>little more difficult on email, but entirely possible if one
>remembers the people at the other end are real w/thoughts and
>feelings. You said you were asking a question, yet it was worded as
>a statement. Had it been a question, I would not have thought it
>negative. Posting style differences? Perhaps, yet when on a list
>where not everyone personally knows each other it seems, as posters,
>we should consider how others might read what we write. While
>posting style differences do exist, it is my opinion that
>consideration when posting for how others read things could go a long
>way to improving communication.
>
>Kitrina
>
>
>
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Lynda

Perhaps we need an icon that is "musing" so that things written as
statements won't be misconstrued.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <ElissaJC@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!


> What I said was tongue in cheek was MY comment of :
> "How about on the unschooling.com boards" followed by a little winking
> symbol ---> ;o>
> NOT your reply.
> For the last time, I was commenting on another poster's comment NOT on the
> website.
> I also said that if I came across in a particular way I did not mean to.
> If you don't like how I phrase my words, don't read my posts. You have NO
> IDEA weather or not I was taking anything into consideration. You
> immediately ASSUMED that I was being negative and pounced on me for it.
and
> now you are continuing to point out what I was saying and how I was saying
> it. WHY is this conversation continuing? I don't even know why I am
> responding. I feel like we are talking about two different things. I
posted
> a comment on unschooling and using subject titles. You assumed I was
saying
> this person shouldn't have titles for different web pages. For the last
> time, that was not what I was saying. I was simply musing about something
> that one post (NOT the website request, a different post) brought to mind.
> Elissa Cleaveland
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: the_earth_witch <the_earth_witch@...>
> To: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
> Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:42 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!
>
>
> >>>>>> <<>So, the titles at unschooling.com, which you recomended and
> >> >categorize learning, would be detrimental? >>>>>>
> >
> >>>****That was said tongue-in-cheek.>>
> >
> >
> >Actually, it was not.
> >It was a serious question, followed by ...
> >
> >> << I am sorry, but perhaps I
> >> >am just not following what you mean. It seemed you objected to
> >> >classifying something as language arts.
> >
> >...and was asked because it seemed there was some contradiction in
> >what was being said.
> >
> >re---different posting styles...
> >you yourself said you may have been abrupt, which I thought was a
> >good way to describe it w/out any negative connotation. That is why
> >I used the term.
> >Seeing the posts as negative was subjective and I could have read
> >them wrong. However, it does not change my opinion or make it less
> >valid. If some one wants to communicate something, they are
> >responsible for communicating it in an understandable way and must
> >take their audience into consideration if they want to be
> >understood. If one were intending to be helpful, then it seems
> >logical that one would need to consider their audience even more. A
> >little more difficult on email, but entirely possible if one
> >remembers the people at the other end are real w/thoughts and
> >feelings. You said you were asking a question, yet it was worded as
> >a statement. Had it been a question, I would not have thought it
> >negative. Posting style differences? Perhaps, yet when on a list
> >where not everyone personally knows each other it seems, as posters,
> >we should consider how others might read what we write. While
> >posting style differences do exist, it is my opinion that
> >consideration when posting for how others read things could go a long
> >way to improving communication.
> >
> >Kitrina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Fetteroll

I think it would be helpful to separate out all the arguments since they're
getting tangled up together ;-)

Whether categories are useful or not is moot when the *real* question is
whether the site will bring people back.

For example, if someone were looking for reading ideas it would be helpful
to know where to go on the site. But that's assuming the people are already
returning on a regular basis. But what will bring them in the first place?
And what will keep them coming back to that particular site out of all the
other sites on the internet?

So, if you were looking for reading ideas, would the first site you thought
of be *this* site? No, regardless of how useful or not categories are, the
site doesn't offer anything that can't be found in thousands of other
places. Organization isn't the key that will bring people back but unique
offerings.

And *which* people does the author want to come back? All homeschoolers? The
content is way too skimpy. (Check out Ann Zeise's site
http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/ for something that has mass appeal.
In other words a site needs to be massive to have mass appeal.). All NZ
homeschoolers? There isn't enough NZ specific content (laws, NZ offerings
and such). The Homeschool Association of California
http://www.hsc.org/chaos2confidence.html website is a good example.

The setup *seems* to be offering a small corner on the web for a group of
women who are drawn by something about the site that calls to them. So far
the only unique thing may be a feeling a kinship with the label "New Zealand
Homeschooling Mum" where they'd feel they were likely to get to hang out
with others who also shared that feeling of kinship with the label.

So the question is, what would a "New Zealand Homeschooling Mum" like to
find *on the site* once they find *each other*? So first you have to get
them there. (Give some group - "New Zealand Homeschooling Mum"s if that's
what you're going for -- a place that they feel they can identify with.)
Then you need to provide the content that will keep them returning. If you
can figure out what it is they want, then they will come to meet each other
and stick around. (A message board or email list might be helpful.)

Joyce

Bonni Sollars

FreedomPanther, I hear ya.
Bonni

freeform_ca

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Freedom Panther"
<freedompanther@h...> wrote:
> I tend to agree that labelling areas of learning assist in the
process. My
> filing cabinet contains folders labeled "music," "the natural
world,"
> "compassion education," "robotics," and, yes, "language arts,"
etc.

I see a difference between a folder labled "Robotics" and one
labeled "Language Arts". Robotics is a specific area of interest,
it's like us putting comic books together or playmobil stuff
together, so we can find it later. Language Arts is huge, and I see
it more as a tool than a subject. We use reading, speaking, and
writing (aka language arts) all day long, every day, in many ways to
do many things. The same with "math" or "history" or "science" - I'd
stick pretty much everything we own in a language arts folder, if I
had one...

Dar

Freedom Panther

Namaste', Bonni

Freedompanther


>From: Bonni Sollars <BSOLLARS@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!
>Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:37:41 -0500
>
>FreedomPanther, I hear ya.
>Bonni


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Hi,
What does Namaste mean? What are the origins?
Elissa Cleaveland
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have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein


-----Original Message-----
From: Freedom Panther <freedompanther@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!


>Namaste', Bonni
>
>Freedompanther
>
>
>>From: Bonni Sollars <BSOLLARS@...>
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi Homeschool Mums!
>>Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:37:41 -0500
>>
>>FreedomPanther, I hear ya.
>>Bonni
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