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In a message dated 5/31/1999 2:18:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tn-k4of5@... writes:

<< I am STILL waiting to hear from SOMEONE, ANYONE, on the subjects mentioned
in my original introductory message. Where is everyone?
>>

In my experience unschoolers are NOT a quiet group! I missed your
introductory message as I just signed up for this loop today. Can you repeat
it and maybe I can offer some feedback?

I'm Marti, married to Hal and we have two unschooled-from-birth daughters.
Emily, 8 and Carline, 6. We live on Puget Island in Washington State (middle
of the Columbia River) and are in the process of moving to Olympia, Wa (next
month).

I have always wished that there was an unschooling loop so I am really
excited to have found this one!!! :o)

Marti

Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall

Marti;
A real person!! I was beginning to feel like I was stuck on a bank "help"
line, and was never going to fine anyone breathing to actually help me!
The following is a copy of the original message I sent. By the way, we are
located in Idaho, recently moved from Washington state. We were married on
San Juan Island, and lived in the Tri-Cities. My husband grew up there but
I did not. It's a small world!

Hi there all!
Please excuse the gargantuan proportions of this message. I have a number
of things to convey in order to solicit advice that is accurate to our
situation. I also want to let you get to know us a 'little' (a word used
very loosely!) I just joined the list, and as such, have not yet gotten
any idea about the types of amounts of messages speeding through
cyberspace. However, I would like to introduce myself, and ask you
"veteran" homeschoolers/unschoolers out there for a little advice.

First of all I would like to say...WOW! This is my first experience with
"Unschooling" and I am fascinated, and excited!! I have planned to
homeschool my children since before they were born. Having grown up in a
big city with parents who were apathetic, and being socially awkward, I had
agonies in public school my entire school career. Picture a child who
comes home in hysterics at least a couple of times a week from the
emotional pain of peer inflicted tortures. Imagine if you can, hating
school, your teacher(s) and the entire environment SO much that at 7 or 8
you hid under your bed, or in the garage, or played sick, in desperate
attempts to avoid school.

The playing sick was a big mistake because I was a very sickly child and
often when I really WAS sick I was called a liar and sent to school anyway.
Once I actually ended up in the ER and had the satisfaction of hearing the
doctor reprimand my mother for not noticing the very overt sympotms that
are the prelude to my particular condition at the time. That week in the
hospital I got whatever I asked her for!

Eventually I took charge of my own education. I left public school at age
14, against my parents wishes and those of the Principal at the High
School, and began attending an independant study school. There I attended
a meeting with my instructor once a week to go over assignments, recieve
new work assignments, discuss problems, etc, and the rest of my time was up
to me to organize.

Now, as a parent, I want so much more for my children. I don't want them
to feel tortured and persecuted by peers or adults. I don't want them to
come to see learning as a chore or knowledge as a burden. I don't want
them to have to submit to the wills of teachers and administrators that
they may hate. I don't want them to be subject to the whims of
disillusioned teachers who have come to despise their charges, or
instructors who know less than the children, or many worse things. I want
them to enjoy their childhood and get a good and thourough education at the
SAME TIME!

So here I am! My name is Nanci Kuykendall and my husband is Tom. Our
children (Thomas and Alexander) are still far from "school age" and so,
although I knew I was going to homeschool, I had not done any research into
the arena until now. Now we have a new situation arrising, and that is
where I need help.

We are in the process of adopting a little girl (we have two boys) and have
been struggling in the course of our research with all the confusing
options and pros and cons in various adoption scenarios. We originally
thought a baby would be best for us, to maintain birth order. However, we
were not counting on falling in love with the listing for an 8 year old
little girl in Foster Care! Well! This changes everything! Hopefully she
will turn out to be a good match for us, once our homestudy is completed
and we are able to get more details about her and her history.

But, and this is a large exception, that leaves me with a ready made 2nd
grader!! Where do I begin? What do I do? I don't even know what, if
anything, I have to do to establish homeschooling status. If I interpert
our State (Idaho) laws correctly, then I don't have to do anything - except
be a parent and a teacher that is.

There are SO MANY MANY considerations to bringing a child from Foster Care
into our home; dealing with her history, and her adjustment to our family,
protecting my VERY young sons from any "acting out" that may follow her
history, having a daughter (!), dealing with race issues (she is AA and we
are caucasion), and on and on. I would like to give her time to adjust and
for everyone to get to know each other. How on earth do I take a child I
barely know out of public school, and all the other institutions that her
life has been focused around, and intergrate her into our family and into
learning at home??

HELP!!! I would appreciate ANY help and advice, any at all, just sing
out, we need options from all corners, especially on Unschooling which I
just discovered. Until now I assumed that homeschooling required that your
child complete certain subjects in a certain order and be tested regularly
to ensure they are up to "grade" level ( I heard that somewhere "once upon
a time.") What a wonderful notion that children can be allowed to be
children, not miniature adults, and learn freely and naturally allowing the
marvelous human brain to do it's awe inspiring work of growing, learning
and being!

Eager to Hear From You,

Nanci K.

::she just is::

Nancy said:
We are in the process of adopting a little girl (we have two boys) and have
been struggling in the course of our research with all the confusing
options and pros and cons in various adoption scenarios. We originally
thought a baby would be best for us, to maintain birth order. However, we
were not counting on falling in love with the listing for an 8 year old
little girl in Foster Care! Well! This changes everything! Hopefully she
will turn out to be a good match for us, once our homestudy is completed
and we are able to get more details about her and her history.

But, and this is a large exception, that leaves me with a ready made 2nd
grader!! Where do I begin? What do I do? I don't even know what, if
anything, I have to do to establish homeschooling status. If I interpert
our State (Idaho) laws correctly, then I don't have to do anything - except
be a parent and a teacher that is.

Well, I have a friend who is from an unschooling family. Not only are they
an unschooling family, but they have two adopted children (bi-racial boys --
and one of them has AIDS), and the mother is a foster parent as well. They
are a chaotic but pretty happy family on the whole, and I really respect the
mother for doing this. With your situation, I think unschooling (or maybe
homeschooling at first?) the girl would be a good move. That is, unless she
*wants* to go to school -- it should be her choice. The whole foster and
adoption thing might be confusing for her, so I'd recommend doing some
simple lessons in the morning to add some structure to her life -- but you
don't have to do that. I just think that unschooling would be a great thing
to do for her. Good luck! ~Eryn

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In a message dated 5/31/99 5:27:06 PM, tn-k4of5@... writes:


Hi Nanci! Yup, there are a bunch of real live people here, but this one has
been especially busy. Sounds like you too have a lot going on.

**Where do I begin? What do I do? I don't even know what, if
anything, I have to do to establish homeschooling status. If I interpert
our State (Idaho) laws correctly, then I don't have to do anything - except
be a parent and a teacher that is.**

Don't know about Idaho. But in general, to get started, just think of the
kinds of things you like to do, and do them. Sounds oversimplified, I know,
but really that's about it. Then leave yourself open to whatever direction
your kids want to take. Go to the library, the zoo, take a nature walk, rent
a bunch of movies, read a great book out loud, play Monopoly.

Go ahead and ask us lots of questions.

<< How on earth do I take a child I
barely know out of public school, and all the other institutions that her
life has been focused around, and intergrate her into our family and into
learning at home??>>

Maybe you can't right away. That sounds like an awful lot of change for any
person. After you do get to know her, you will know when you can bring her
home from school.

You're at the start of a great journey. Above all, have fun!

Paula

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In a message dated 5/31/99 5:27:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
tn-k4of5@... writes:

<< just joined the list, and as such, have not yet gotten
any idea about the types of amounts of messages speeding through
cyberspace. >>

Know what.. this list is pretty new, we opened it with the site. So none of
us relly knows how much mail we'll be able to generate. <G> Do you all want
a busy, busy list?? Let's brainstorm just what we do and do not want out of
this list. Right now we don't have any other list rule, other than the Golden
Rule.

<< However, I would like to introduce myself, and ask you
"veteran" homeschoolers/unschoolers out there for a little advice. >>

I should say that I'm Lisa Bugg, mom to 4 wonderful kids and Greg's wife.
We've unschooled for about 11 years now. I've been reading, thinking and
talking about education and schooling or not schooling since my oldest was 2.
I love to read and talk, and I'm committed to sharing what unschooling is
and can be with anyone who wants to listen.

F
<< Imagine if you can, hating
school, your teacher(s) and the entire environment SO much that at 7 or 8
you hid under your bed, or in the garage, or played sick, in desperate
attempts to avoid school. >>

I see this daily. There is a good book called We've All Got Scars by Rapheala
Best. After reading that book I don't see how anyone can say complusory
attendence is a good thing.



<<Now, as a parent, I want so much more for my children. I don't want them
to feel tortured and persecuted by peers or adults. I don't want them to
come to see learning as a chore or knowledge as a burden. I don't want
them to have to submit to the wills of teachers and administrators that
they may hate. I don't want them to be subject to the whims of
disillusioned teachers who have come to despise their charges, or
instructors who know less than the children, or many worse things. I want
them to enjoy their childhood and get a good and thourough education at the
SAME TIME!>>

Le'ts define education then.. what do you see them doing in order to *become
educated*?


<<. However, we
were not counting on falling in love with the listing for an 8 year old
little girl in Foster Care! Well! This changes everything! Hopefully she
will turn out to be a good match for us, once our homestudy is completed
and we are able to get more details about her and her history.>>

This sounds amazing. I wish you all the best as you chart this new course.

<< But, and this is a large exception, that leaves me with a ready made 2nd
grader!! Where do I begin? What do I do? I don't even know what, if
anything, I have to do to establish homeschooling status. If I interpert
our State (Idaho) laws correctly, then I don't have to do anything - except
be a parent and a teacher that is.>>

You don't hvae to DO anything, you begin by bringing her home and loving her.
If you love her up and listen deeply, she'll show you want she needs next. I
suspect she's gonna need to be held and touched and taken places and fed and
nurtured. An emotionally healthy child will learn at the speed of light. :)
So first, JUST do her emotional needs.

You can come here to the list and talk all about what's going on with her and
we can help find materials and ideas for the two/five of you.

<< How on earth do I take a child I
barely know out of public school, and all the other institutions that her
life has been focused around, and intergrate her into our family and into
learning at home??>>

One day at a time. Wake up and do each and every day with an awareness that
today is all that matters, at least for awhile. You focus on her, she'll
focus on learning. I promise.

<< Until now I assumed that homeschooling required that your
child complete certain subjects in a certain order and be tested regularly
to ensure they are up to "grade" level ( I heard that somewhere "once upon
a time.")>>

We're here to definately break that notion.

<< What a wonderful notion that children can be allowed to be
children, not miniature adults, and learn freely and naturally allowing the
marvelous human brain to do it's awe inspiring work of growing, learning
and being! >>

Yep and it's so simple it's hard to believe at first. My main job is mom the
taxi and mom the cleaner upper of all things. My second job is that of
acquirer. I acquire nuts and bolts, rubber bands, fish.... just all sorts of
stuff. I acquire, the kids use.

LisaKK

Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall

>Maybe you can't right away. That sounds like an awful lot of change for any
>person. After you do get to know her, you will know when you can bring her
>home from school.
>
>You're at the start of a great journey. Above all, have fun!
>
>Paula

Paula;
Since she does not live in the same state as us, she will HAVE to come out
of her current school, no matter what. I don't think I should then put her
in a new public school, in a new town and state, along with adoption and a
new family, do you? She lives in the South and no doubt has an accent,
which would probably earn her unwanted attention at the public school here
as well.

Nanci K.

A.Y.

This is just my opinion, but it seems it would be nice to just bring here home
and spend lots of time loving and getting to know her, and don't worry about
schooling at all. There is plenty of time for that, when she and you have found
her interests. You will have lots to learn about each other.
Ann

Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall wrote:

> From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
>
> >Maybe you can't right away. That sounds like an awful lot of change for any
> >person. After you do get to know her, you will know when you can bring her
> >home from school.
> >
> >You're at the start of a great journey. Above all, have fun!
> >
> >Paula
>
> Paula;
> Since she does not live in the same state as us, she will HAVE to come out
> of her current school, no matter what. I don't think I should then put her
> in a new public school, in a new town and state, along with adoption and a
> new family, do you? She lives in the South and no doubt has an accent,
> which would probably earn her unwanted attention at the public school here
> as well.
>
> Nanci K.
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In a message dated 5/31/1999 3:27:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tn-k4of5@... writes:

<< By the way, we are
located in Idaho, recently moved from Washington state. We were married on
San Juan Island, and lived in the Tri-Cities. My husband grew up there but
I did not. It's a small world! >>

Nancy,

Holy cow! We moved from Idaho last year to Washington State. Where are you?
We were in Meridian which is a suburb of Boise. We miss it every day and
constantly wish we could move back. My dh and I met and married in Boise (I'm
from Portland he is from Minneapolis) as well as had both girls there. Very
small world indeed!

To get to your questions: You are correct about the homeschooling laws in
Idaho. Basically there are none. :o) No testing, no registering, no one
checking up on you. Just live your life and have fun.

I am not familiar with adoption procedures but I would think your new
daughter would greatly benefit from just hanging out with all of you. You are
correct in thinking that she will be going through a lot of turmoil and
probably the best thing for the family would be to relax and get aquatinted.

Marti

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<<You are correct in thinking that she will be going through a lot of turmoil
and probably the best thing for the family would be to relax and get
aquatinted.>>

Of course I meant acquainted as in getting to know each other!!!! :o)

Marti -- who can spell

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In a message dated 5/31/1999 3:27:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tn-k4of5@... writes:

<< By the way, we are
located in Idaho, recently moved from Washington state. We were married on
San Juan Island, and lived in the Tri-Cities. My husband grew up there but
I did not. It's a small world! >>

Nancy,

Holy cow! We moved from Idaho last year to Washington State. Where are you?
We were in Meridian which is a suburb of Boise. We miss it every day and
constantly wish we could move back. My dh and I met and married in Boise (I'm
from Portland he is from Minneapolis) as well as had both girls there. Very
small world indeed!

To get to your questions: You are correct about the homeschooling laws in
Idaho. Basically there are none. :o) No testing, no registering, no one
checking up on you. Just live your life and have fun.

I am not familiar with adoption procedures but I would think your new
daughter would greatly benefit from just hanging out with all of you. You are
correct in thinking that she will be going through a lot of turmoil and
probably the best thing for the family would be to relax and get aquatinted.

Marti

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In a message dated 5/31/99 3:48:50 PM PST, tn-k4of5@... writes:

<<
Paula;
Since she does not live in the same state as us, she will HAVE to come out
of her current school, no matter what. I don't think I should then put her
in a new public school, in a new town and state, along with adoption and a
new family, do you? She lives in the South and no doubt has an accent,
which would probably earn her unwanted attention at the public school here
as well.
>>

You know, summer is approaching. You could just take the rest of the year
off (Shouldn't be hard, many schools in the South are finished already due to
the hot weather. They start in August and end in May, many times). Take the
summer to talk to her, get to know her, let her get to know the family. See
how it is going. Talk to her about the way you plan to educate the other
family members, give her input. Assure her that it doesn't mean she won't
make friends, you'll do LOTS of stuff to help her get to know other kids.
She may very well decide to stay home with you, and continue getting to know
you better...

mary

David Albert

KintHM@... wrote:

> From: KintHM@...
>
> In a message dated 5/31/1999 2:18:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> tn-k4of5@... writes:
>
> << I am STILL waiting to hear from SOMEONE, ANYONE, on the subjects
> mentioned
> in my original introductory message. Where is everyone?
> >>
>
> I'm Marti, married to Hal and we have two unschooled-from-birth
> daughters.
> Emily, 8 and Carline, 6. We live on Puget Island in Washington State
> (middle
> of the Columbia River) and are in the process of moving to Olympia, Wa
> (next
> month).
>
> I have always wished that there was an unschooling loop so I am really
>
> excited to have found this one!!! :o)
>
> Marti

Dear Marti -

Welcome to Olympia! I am the father of two wonderful homeschooled
daughers - Aliyah age 11, and Meera age 8, and we are part of a
non-sectarian homeschooling network (religions and homeschooling
practices of all kinds) of 55 families - The Learning Web -- we have a
monthly newsletter which is usually on-line, but my wife Ellen says this
month's hasn't been put up yet.

Some of us have worked successfully with the school district (which is
very partial to homeschoolers) and got them to set up a homeschool
computer lab for us; and they allow participation in school music and
stuff if that is your preference.

Culturally, Olympia is very diverse, and has lots of activities for kids
and adults, including the largest per-capita youth symphony association
in the U.S. There is also an active Olympia Christian Homeschooling
Group for those so inclined.

I am the author of a forthcoming book "And the Skylark Sings with Me:
Adventures in Homeschooling and Community-Based Education (Holt
Associates/New Society Publishers, 1999, with a foreword by Joseph
Chilton Pearce) which is about our unschooling experiences in Olympia.

We look forward to meeting you. Welcome again and see you next month!

David Albert

Fiona M. Reid

Dear Nanci
Wow you sound like an awesome mother! I would just like to add to the many
replies you have had about your upcoming new daughter and say that I once
read that if you are to take your children out of school, only to be fair to
them you need to de-school them for at least one year or so and with your
daughter only being in 2nd grade what a perfect age to do some adventurous
exploring at allsorts of different places, museums to zoos they all seem to
love at that age. There is a book called De-Schooling your children but I'm
not sure who is the author? does anyone else know?
Anyway my advice read lots have fun and love every moment you have.

Fiona

BTW I haven't intro. myself yet but I am a Mum of 4 (Boys ages 8,7,4,11
months) and unschooling and loving it in Alberta Canada.
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall
To: [email protected]
Sent: May 31, 1999 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Introduction


you wrote:

HELP!!! I would appreciate ANY help and advice, any at all, just sing
out, we need options from all corners, especially on Unschooling which I
just discovered. Until now I assumed that homeschooling required that
your
child complete certain subjects in a certain order and be tested regularly
to ensure they are up to "grade" level ( I heard that somewhere "once upon
a time.") What a wonderful notion that children can be allowed to be
children, not miniature adults, and learn freely and naturally allowing
the
marvelous human brain to do it's awe inspiring work of growing, learning
and being!

Eager to Hear From You,

Nanci K.


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Hello Everyone,

My name is Julie G. My husband Jimmy and I live just outside of Chicago with our 2 kiddies, Jackie 2 and Joey 4 months.

We have recently decided (say in the last 12 days) to homeschool our kids. Right now I am making preparations to start our "school year" in late August with Jackie.

Saying all of this, I don't have any input about teaching methods or materials and etc. so I will be seeking a lot of advice from all of you.

I do know now that since we have made this decision, my dd and I have the best time looking at bugs, rocks and weeds outside!

Talk to you all soon,

Julie G.

David Albert

Fiona M. Reid wrote:

>
>
> Dear NanciWow you sound like an awesome mother! I would just like to
> add to the many replies you have had about your upcoming new daughter
> and say that I once read that if you are to take your children out of
> school, only to be fair to them you need to de-school them for at
> least one year or so and with your daughter only being in 2nd grade
> what a perfect age to do some adventurous exploring at allsorts of
> different places, museums to zoos they all seem to love at that age.
> There is a book called De-Schooling your children but I'm not sure
> who is the author? does anyone else know?Anyway my advice read lots
> have fun and love every moment you have. Fiona

You might mean "Deschooling Our Lives" by Matt Hern (New Society
Publishers, 1996) - it is an anthology of most of the leading names.
Mary Griffith's Unschooling Handbook is also terrific!

David Albert

Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall

At 08:38 PM 5/31/99 EDT, you wrote:
>From: KintHM@...
Nancy,
>
>Holy cow! We moved from Idaho last year to Washington State. Where are you?
>We were in Meridian which is a suburb of Boise. We miss it every day and
>constantly wish we could move back. My dh and I met and married in Boise
(I'm
>from Portland he is from Minneapolis) as well as had both girls there. Very
>small world indeed!
>
>To get to your questions: You are correct about the homeschooling laws in
>Idaho. Basically there are none. :o) No testing, no registering, no one
>checking up on you. Just live your life and have fun.>
>Marti
>


Thanks Marti,

I hope that is true, I would hate to get in "trouble" for truency or
something. My next door neighbor told me something very interesting the
other day. They are a large hispanic family, and their children attend the
elementary school three blocks away. We were talking over the fence, so to
speak, and I mentioned that I was planning on Homeschooling the boys. She
says "I hear that is a really good thing to do, that those kids do better
than the kids in regular school." (To say the least!) and then she
confided to me that she attended the public schools in town, including the
very elementary school aforementioned, and that she could neither read nor
write!! They passed her all the way through the system, ignoring her and
"sticking" her "in the corner." It amazes me, just how bad it can still
get, even today!

Her daughter came home crying because the teacher was yelling at her and
berating her for "not trying hard enough to do the work correctly" and
would not go back to school for a week, she was so frightened, hurt and
humiliated. She is 5 years old! Her mother went off to the school and let
the teacher "Have it!" Good for her.

Nanci K.

sandy keane

David Albert wrote:

> From: David Albert <shantinik@...>
> > I once read that if you are to take your children out of
> > school, only to be fair to them you need to de-school them for at
> > least one year or so and with your daughter only being in 2nd grade
> > what a perfect age to do some adventurous exploring at allsorts of
> > different places, museums to zoos they all seem to love at that age.
> > There is a book called De-Schooling your children but I'm not sure
> > who is the author? does anyone else know?Anyway my advice read lots
> > have fun and love every moment you have. Fiona
>
> You might mean "Deschooling Our Lives" by Matt Hern (New Society
> Publishers, 1996) - it is an anthology of most of the leading names.
> Mary Griffith's Unschooling Handbook is also terrific!
>

Grace Llewellyn, in "The Teenage Liberation Handbook" also talks about a
deschooling period when coming out of the system.

Sandy <skeane@...>
http://mypage.direct.ca/s/skeane/
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shannon hawkins

Hi, Julie. I wish I had tried homeschooling/unschooling with my kids
when they were young. They did the public school to private school to
homeschooling ( I call ours homeschooling eclectic, because we do some
traditonal school work and some unschooling). Your 2 are just little
ones, my opinion, for what it is worth is just have fun with your kids -
forget anything that it schoolish or curriculum like. Those little ones
just learn all the time no matter what they are doing - play is their
"school". I have always read to my 2 and they still love it and are 12
dd and 9 ds. Enjoy them!!! Just my $.02 - Shannon :-)

julie1264 wrote:

> Hello Everyone, My name is Julie G. My husband Jimmy and I live
> just outside of Chicago with our 2 kiddies, Jackie 2 and Joey 4
> months. We have recently decided (say in the last 12 days) to
> homeschool our kids. Right now I am making preparations to start our
> "school year" in late August with Jackie. Saying all of this, I don't
> have any input about teaching methods or materials and etc. so I will
> be seeking a lot of advice from all of you. I do know now that since
> we have made this decision, my dd and I have the best time looking at
> bugs, rocks and weeds outside! Talk to you all soon, Julie G.

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Hello,

I just joined so I thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Elizabeth and
though we have no children yet we're planning on starting later this year. I
work in homeschooling (though I'm definitely not here to promote my
workplace) and I've been interested in education for a long time. I started
by reading Summerhill years ago and more recently have been introduced to
John Holt's works. I plan on homeschooling my kids and where I fall on the
unschooling continuum will probably depend on their personalities, though I
myself like the idea of total or near-total unschooling.

Anyway, I'm the type that likes to prepare for things way ahead of time so I
decided I'd join a few homeschooling and pregnancy lists now that we're
almost ready to take the big step. I imagine I'll mostly lurk, only coming
out now and then until I actually have a little learner around the house.

I will make one comment on the teach/learn discussion that I've caught part
of. I recently read a terrific book by Monty Roberts, The Man Who Listens to
Horses. (I'm an animal person.) In it there's a quote something along the
lines of "There's no such thing as teaching, only learning." (I don't have
the book with me so it's probably not exact, but it captures the spirit.)
And before anyone lectures me on how children aren't animals (I'm not saying
anyone here would, I don't know you all, but I'm on a couple of other lists
where I think I might get such a comment) he first heard this comment from
one of his own teachers in childhood, a nun no less. I thought it was a cool
quote.

Elizabeth

[email protected]

Hello everyone. My name is Asmaa. I have three children. Two boys ages 6
and 2. I also have a daughter who is two months old.

I recently joined the list. I am glad to have a place to share and learn
about unschooling. I feel like a loner...that is way this list is to great.
I have one friend who homeschools.

We live in IL. This was our second year of homeschooling. My oldest son
when to preschool for one year.

Asmaa

Pam Hartley

Hello everyone,

My name is Pam Hartley and those who have been or are on AOL may know me
from the homeschooling forum there under my old screen name,
WallyNPam@....

I am no longer on AOL and am pleased to have found this mailing list on
unschooling.com. I love mailing lists, I am a five year veteran of a horde
of them. ;)

I am married to Wally (9 years in September) and we have two daughters,
Brittany is 4 and Michaelanne is 18 months. Wally and I decided on
unschooling before Brit was born and I've been reading, researching, arguing
and immersing in it ever since.

Unschooling comes to me naturally as it's the way I learn myself and always
have, so it took no great arm twisting to make me yell "eureka!" <g> I'm
just grateful I found out about it so early on.

Looking forward to participating (you'll see from a previous post, I already
have! <g>)

Pam
pamhartley@...

Sandra Brown

Hello, I have been lurking for a while and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Sandra and I have four children, Emily 7, Molly and Betsy are 4,
and Garrison is 18 months. We are relaxed unschoolers, and try to give the
children a lot of freedom and exposure to a wide variety of experiences.
Emily has taught herself to read and write, and loves to draw. I am a bit
challenged by my twins, and wonder if anyone on this list has any experience
with multiple learning styles. For example, yesterday Molly was upset that
we wouldn't run a bath for her right after her sister's shower because there
wasn't enough hot water. No amount of explanations satisfied her until
daddy actually put her hand under cold running water to show her what her
bath would feel like. It strikes me that these girls need a different
approach, and since both my husband and I are visual learners, we are
struggling to to find a new approach with them. I would love to hear from
others who have been challenged by living with a child with a different view
of the world.

Sandra Brown
Ann Arbor, MI

Diana Asberry

Both my daughters (ages 2 & 6) have different views of the world--childrens'
views. I know that I'm from Venus and DH is from Mars--but some days I
wonder what galaxy the kids are from...
...feeling exhausted and the evening has yet to begin.
Thanks for letting me vent. --I love my computer

Diana
"the world is our classroom"


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Sandra Brown" <sbrown2@...>
I would love to hear from
others who have been challenged by living with a child with a different view
of the world.

Sandra Brown
Ann Arbor, MI

[email protected]

In a message dated 7/21/1999 3:40:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sbrown2@... writes:

<< I would love to hear from
others who have been challenged by living with a child with a different view
of the world. >>

Interesting. I am a visual learner, and also anything I write down I
remember. My eldest son (who was diagnosed with ADHD and visual impairment)
is a totally auditory learner. This kid remembers EVERYTHING he hears, even
when he is jumping up and down and seemingly paying no attention.

I'm not sure yet about my other children. Time will tell, I guess.

Jill

David Albert

Sandra Brown wrote:

> yesterday Molly was upset that
> we wouldn't run a bath for her right after her sister's shower because
> there
> wasn't enough hot water. No amount of explanations satisfied her
> until
> daddy actually put her hand under cold running water to show her what
> her
> bath would feel like. It strikes me that these girls need a different
>
> approach

Dear Sandra --

Sounds like good scientific experimentation to me!

David Albert

[email protected]

sandra -

his is my first time replying to this list - you may want to go to the site
www.howstuffworks.com. it explains how a hot water heater works!

anne

The O'Donnells

Hello,

My name is Laraine. I live in Ohio with dh David and 2 dds Leslie and
Melissa ages 10 and 6. This is our 2nd year hsing and we are a part of a
homeschooling support group with many unschoolers. I guess you could call
me an unschooling wannabe at this point. Just can't let go of those math
text books!

We are enjoying unit studies while Mom learns to relax and deschool along
with the 10 yog. We are striving to find a livable balance and are doing
much better than last year at this time :o) thanks largely to our support
group.

Glad to find you all and look forward to getting to know you better.

Laraine in Ohio

Olivia

Hi Laraine:

We have just started our homeschooling adventure with our 6yo son and are
always striving for a "livable balance" in everything! Welcome.

Olivia



At 11:25 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>From: The O'Donnells <praxis@...>
>
>Hello,
>
>My name is Laraine. I live in Ohio with dh David and 2 dds Leslie and
>Melissa ages 10 and 6. This is our 2nd year hsing and we are a part of a
>homeschooling support group with many unschoolers. I guess you could call
>me an unschooling wannabe at this point. Just can't let go of those math
>text books!
>
>We are enjoying unit studies while Mom learns to relax and deschool along
>with the 10 yog. We are striving to find a livable balance and are doing
>much better than last year at this time :o) thanks largely to our support
>group.
>
>Glad to find you all and look forward to getting to know you better.
>
>Laraine in Ohio
>
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At 08:30 PM 9/3/99 -0400, you wrote:

>We have just started our homeschooling adventure with our 6yo son and are
>always striving for a "livable balance" in everything! Welcome.
>
>Olivia


Olivia,

That is so wonderful to hear. I've been on unschooling lists that wouldn't
tolerate discussion about any curricula/school. This will be refreshing!
So glad to have found you guys!


In His Service,

Laraine
praxis@...