Diane

I'm getting the feeling that some people may be confusing unschooling with
eclectic homeschooling which is indeed very freeform and families choose what
they want from different approaches.

:-) Diane

Fetteroll wrote:

> on 11/30/01 7:25 AM, Kathy at laurawilder82@... wrote:
>
> > Unschooling is the opposite of adhering to any rigid
> > philosophy, even a supposed definition of "pure" unschooling. It's just
> > an oxymoron! Like "jumbo shrimp" or "honest politician".
>
> No, unschooling isn't free form homeschooling. It isn't just absence of
> curriculum. It's helping a child learn what he wants to learn, trusting that
> what he wants to learn is what he needs.
>
> There are many things that will help kids learn, but that doesn't make those
> things unschooling. There are fun ways for a parent to imposing knowledge
> that kids aren't asking for but that doesn't make that technique
> unschooling.
>
> If we must support any path that people find useful when it isn't
> unschooling then there isn't much point in calling this an unschooling list.
>
> Joyce
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[email protected]

On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 08:37:31 -0700 Diane <cen46624@...>
writes:
> I'm getting the feeling that some people may be confusing unschooling
> with
> eclectic homeschooling which is indeed very freeform and families
> choose what
> they want from different approaches.
>
I think you have a point. It all goies back to who is doing the choosing,
IMO...

Dar
________________________________________________________________
GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Elizabeth Hill

Hey, Joyce! I'm suddenly experiencing a terrible urge to draw Venn diagrams.

Betsy


Fetteroll wrote:

> on 11/30/01 7:25 AM, Kathy at laurawilder82@... wrote:
>
> > Unschooling is the opposite of adhering to any rigid
> > philosophy, even a supposed definition of "pure" unschooling. It's just
> > an oxymoron! Like "jumbo shrimp" or "honest politician".
>
> No, unschooling isn't free form homeschooling. It isn't just absence of
> curriculum. It's helping a child learn what he wants to learn, trusting that
> what he wants to learn is what he needs.
>
> There are many things that will help kids learn, but that doesn't make those
> things unschooling. There are fun ways for a parent to imposing knowledge
> that kids aren't asking for but that doesn't make that technique
> unschooling.
>
> If we must support any path that people find useful when it isn't
> unschooling then there isn't much point in calling this an unschooling list.
>
> Joyce

Elsa Haas

What’s a Venn diagram?

Elsa Haas

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Hill [mailto:ecsamhill@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] "Pure" unschooling and attacking
theunbelievers

Hey, Joyce! I'm suddenly experiencing a terrible urge to draw Venn
diagrams.

Betsy


Fetteroll wrote:

> on 11/30/01 7:25 AM, Kathy at laurawilder82@... wrote:
>
> > Unschooling is the opposite of adhering to any rigid
> > philosophy, even a supposed definition of "pure" unschooling. It's just
> > an oxymoron! Like "jumbo shrimp" or "honest politician".
>
> No, unschooling isn't free form homeschooling. It isn't just absence of
> curriculum. It's helping a child learn what he wants to learn, trusting
that
> what he wants to learn is what he needs.
>
> There are many things that will help kids learn, but that doesn't make
those
> things unschooling. There are fun ways for a parent to imposing knowledge
> that kids aren't asking for but that doesn't make that technique
> unschooling.
>
> If we must support any path that people find useful when it isn't
> unschooling then there isn't much point in calling this an unschooling
list.
>
> Joyce






Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

<http://rd.yahoo.com/M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050819
72:HM/A=879171/R=0/*http://www.fastweb.com/ib/yahoo-57f>


Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com

To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom

Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

groundhoggirl

OH YUCK!!!! Venn Diagrams! Take them away. You just brought back to
my mind those stupid, stupid, stupid education classes I had to take in
order to become a certified teacher. Every time I see one of those
things, I just want to throw up or go to sleep. Euwwwww.

A Venn Diagram is a diagram that uses circles to show relationships
between certain things, or groups of things. The circles intersect in
some places to show that one thing can belong in two different
categories at one time, etc. I'm sure if someone drew one for you, you
would recognize it. Usually, it's an officious educator or
administrator who draws those things. They make me puke.

Sorry. You just brought back some bad memories. You don't know how
glad I am to be out of that environment. School and the whole culture
there is so disgusting to me now. I don't know how I managed to stay
there so long.

Mimi

PS: Ok, Ok, I've settled down. Betsy, I don't mean to hurt your
feelings or insult you. I'm sure they can be a good tool, if you give
them a try. I've just always had a strong aversion to them. I've never
really given them a chance.


On Sunday, December 2, 2001, at 09:51 PM, Elsa Haas wrote:

> What’s a Venn diagram?
>
> Elsa Haas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Hill [mailto:ecsamhill@...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] "Pure" unschooling and attacking
> theunbelievers
>
> Hey, Joyce! I'm suddenly experiencing a terrible urge to draw Venn
> diagrams.
>
> Betsy
>
>
> Fetteroll wrote:
>
>> on 11/30/01 7:25 AM, Kathy at laurawilder82@... wrote:
>>
>>> Unschooling is the opposite of adhering to any rigid
>>> philosophy, even a supposed definition of "pure" unschooling. It's
>>> just
>>> an oxymoron! Like "jumbo shrimp" or "honest politician".
>>
>> No, unschooling isn't free form homeschooling. It isn't just absence of
>> curriculum. It's helping a child learn what he wants to learn, trusting
> that
>> what he wants to learn is what he needs.
>>
>> There are many things that will help kids learn, but that doesn't make
> those
>> things unschooling. There are fun ways for a parent to imposing
>> knowledge
>> that kids aren't asking for but that doesn't make that technique
>> unschooling.
>>
>> If we must support any path that people find useful when it isn't
>> unschooling then there isn't much point in calling this an unschooling
> list.
>>
>> Joyce
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050819
> 72:HM/A=879171/R=0/*http://www.fastweb.com/ib/yahoo-57f>
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Elizabeth Hill

It's those blobby, intersecting (or non intersecting) circles that are supposed
to show set membership. It's a new math thing that we messed around with back
when I was in 6th Grade.

If a big sheet of paper was all of homeschooling, then we'd draw a circle
within "homeschooling" and call it "unschooling". There could also be, on the
same page, a circle labled "homeschooling strictly following a curriculum".
You might think those two circles woudn't overlap at all, but there would be a
little crescent of overlap that's part of both of those cicles. This crescent
represents "unschooled child CHOOSES to strictly follow a curriculum."

(Hard to draw this on a computer screen -- sorry!)

Betsy

Elsa Haas wrote:

> What’s a Venn diagram?
>
> Elsa Haas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Hill [mailto:ecsamhill@...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] "Pure" unschooling and attacking
> theunbelievers
>
> Hey, Joyce! I'm suddenly experiencing a terrible urge to draw Venn
> diagrams.
>
> Betsy
>
> Fetteroll wrote:
>
> > on 11/30/01 7:25 AM, Kathy at laurawilder82@... wrote:
> >
> > > Unschooling is the opposite of adhering to any rigid
> > > philosophy, even a supposed definition of "pure" unschooling. It's just
> > > an oxymoron! Like "jumbo shrimp" or "honest politician".
> >
> > No, unschooling isn't free form homeschooling. It isn't just absence of
> > curriculum. It's helping a child learn what he wants to learn, trusting
> that
> > what he wants to learn is what he needs.
> >
> > There are many things that will help kids learn, but that doesn't make
> those
> > things unschooling. There are fun ways for a parent to imposing knowledge
> > that kids aren't asking for but that doesn't make that technique
> > unschooling.
> >
> > If we must support any path that people find useful when it isn't
> > unschooling then there isn't much point in calling this an unschooling
> list.
> >
> > Joyce
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050819
> 72:HM/A=879171/R=0/*http://www.fastweb.com/ib/yahoo-57f>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/