Re:Labels/Interest-led learning
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We don't know how some of these people who were labeled dyslexia or some
other labeled thing they test for would fare if they had been left alone to
pursue what they are interested in, when they were interested. . . it seems
most of the people we know labeled that way have not been involved in
interest led learning. For all we know, it could be the forced system that
led to their situation, in fact, I know of several people where this is the
case, my own brother being a prime example. Since he is an adult and is able
to pursue what his interests are, he has learned many things beyond my
capabilities (probably because I am not interested in them). But he had a
horrible time with "school" related material, and his self-esteem was
terrible. He is one of the happiest people I know now. . . he has really
soared since he got out of any educational system. I know my daughter would
have been labeled dyslexia, and I suspect my son would too, if we ever got
them tested. I know the signs, but I choose to allow them to develop
naturally, without intervention, or any of the ways in which they "teach"
people with dyslexia/ld to read. My daughter reads just fine now. She
occasionally still writes things backwards, but since most of her writing is
typed, it doesn't seem to hamper her at all.
lovemary
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other labeled thing they test for would fare if they had been left alone to
pursue what they are interested in, when they were interested. . . it seems
most of the people we know labeled that way have not been involved in
interest led learning. For all we know, it could be the forced system that
led to their situation, in fact, I know of several people where this is the
case, my own brother being a prime example. Since he is an adult and is able
to pursue what his interests are, he has learned many things beyond my
capabilities (probably because I am not interested in them). But he had a
horrible time with "school" related material, and his self-esteem was
terrible. He is one of the happiest people I know now. . . he has really
soared since he got out of any educational system. I know my daughter would
have been labeled dyslexia, and I suspect my son would too, if we ever got
them tested. I know the signs, but I choose to allow them to develop
naturally, without intervention, or any of the ways in which they "teach"
people with dyslexia/ld to read. My daughter reads just fine now. She
occasionally still writes things backwards, but since most of her writing is
typed, it doesn't seem to hamper her at all.
lovemary
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Lynda
We are throwing around a label here right, left and inbetween. Dyslexia has
become a catch phrase for many things and unfortunately "real" experts
aren't the one doing the diagnosing anymore than "real" experts are doing
the diagnosing for ADD/ADHD, etc.
"Real" dyslexia is a serious problem best left to real experts to diagnosis.
And, we are again throwing around the (paraphrased) "I haven't seen it/heard
of it, it doesn't exist" nonsense.
"Real" dyslexia is not something that schools or forced education causes.
And, ignoring "real" dyslexia is doing a child a major disservice.
From your description, your children went/are going through the normal phase
that lots of children go through. A dyslexic does not go through a phase,
it doesn't go away with age, and while most learn to compensate, most also
say they wish someone had helped them earlier in life.
Lynda
become a catch phrase for many things and unfortunately "real" experts
aren't the one doing the diagnosing anymore than "real" experts are doing
the diagnosing for ADD/ADHD, etc.
"Real" dyslexia is a serious problem best left to real experts to diagnosis.
And, we are again throwing around the (paraphrased) "I haven't seen it/heard
of it, it doesn't exist" nonsense.
"Real" dyslexia is not something that schools or forced education causes.
And, ignoring "real" dyslexia is doing a child a major disservice.
From your description, your children went/are going through the normal phase
that lots of children go through. A dyslexic does not go through a phase,
it doesn't go away with age, and while most learn to compensate, most also
say they wish someone had helped them earlier in life.
Lynda
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From: <lite2yu@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Labels/Interest-led learning
> We don't know how some of these people who were labeled dyslexia or some
> other labeled thing they test for would fare if they had been left alone
to
> pursue what they are interested in, when they were interested. . . it
seems
> most of the people we know labeled that way have not been involved in
> interest led learning. For all we know, it could be the forced system that
> led to their situation, in fact, I know of several people where this is
the
> case, my own brother being a prime example. Since he is an adult and is
able
> to pursue what his interests are, he has learned many things beyond my
> capabilities (probably because I am not interested in them). But he had a
> horrible time with "school" related material, and his self-esteem was
> terrible. He is one of the happiest people I know now. . . he has really
> soared since he got out of any educational system. I know my daughter
would
> have been labeled dyslexia, and I suspect my son would too, if we ever got
> them tested. I know the signs, but I choose to allow them to develop
> naturally, without intervention, or any of the ways in which they "teach"
> people with dyslexia/ld to read. My daughter reads just fine now. She
> occasionally still writes things backwards, but since most of her writing
is
> typed, it doesn't seem to hamper her at all.
>
> lovemary
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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In a message dated 11/29/2001 3:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lurine@... writes:
even opened your mail because of course once again, you know it all.
My brother and sister were BOTH dyslexic and were tested, labeled, and
"treated" so I have a bit of experience as well as the experiences I had when
I taught. But oh right, my experiences don't count for a hill of beans with
you. Sheesh. . .nevermind.
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lurine@... writes:
> And, we are again throwing around the (paraphrased) "I haven't seen it/heardOh for gods sake Lynda. . . you know what nevermind. . . I never should have
> of it, it doesn't exist" nonsense.
>
> "Real" dyslexia is not something that schools or forced education causes.
> And, ignoring "real" dyslexia is doing a child a major disservice.
>
> From your description, your children went/are going through the normal phase
> that lots of children go through. A dyslexic does not go through a phase,
> it doesn't go away with age, and while most learn to compensate, most also
> say they wish someone had helped them earlier in life.
>
> Lynda
>
even opened your mail because of course once again, you know it all.
My brother and sister were BOTH dyslexic and were tested, labeled, and
"treated" so I have a bit of experience as well as the experiences I had when
I taught. But oh right, my experiences don't count for a hill of beans with
you. Sheesh. . .nevermind.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:23:05 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
schools, who had been repeatedly diagnosed with "real" dyslexia, were
just (IMEO) not reading to read and write yet. The high schoolers I
taught, who may have been ready, had already learning that reading is
really really hard and they were no good at it anyway, so they didn't
read well either.
My brother was diagnosed with dyslexia in 2nd grade, got special ed help
all trhough school, stumbled through, and that in his early twenties,
after he'd begun working and feeling competent there, something clicked,
and he started reading fluently, for pleasure, writing well, and just
excelling all over the place. There's nothing wrong with him, and there
never was.
Dar
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> "Real" dyslexia is not something that schools or forced educationThis is your theory. there are others. Many of the kids I taught in the
> causes.
schools, who had been repeatedly diagnosed with "real" dyslexia, were
just (IMEO) not reading to read and write yet. The high schoolers I
taught, who may have been ready, had already learning that reading is
really really hard and they were no good at it anyway, so they didn't
read well either.
My brother was diagnosed with dyslexia in 2nd grade, got special ed help
all trhough school, stumbled through, and that in his early twenties,
after he'd begun working and feeling competent there, something clicked,
and he started reading fluently, for pleasure, writing well, and just
excelling all over the place. There's nothing wrong with him, and there
never was.
Dar
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Tia Leschke
>So how does an unschooling parent tell the difference? How does one know
> >From your description, your children went/are going through the normal phase
>that lots of children go through. A dyslexic does not go through a phase,
>it doesn't go away with age, and while most learn to compensate, most also
>say they wish someone had helped them earlier in life.
when to intervene and when to just wait for the child?
Tia
Lynda
There are two or three dylexia groups. I'm sure they are on the net. I'd
start with them. It has become big $$ to diagnosis kids with all kinds of
things. With so many of them, the diagnosis isn't "real" and they end up
labeled. It is really sad to see them go through life thinking they can't
do something because someone said they were this that or the other thing.
Lynda
start with them. It has become big $$ to diagnosis kids with all kinds of
things. With so many of them, the diagnosis isn't "real" and they end up
labeled. It is really sad to see them go through life thinking they can't
do something because someone said they were this that or the other thing.
Lynda
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From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Labels/Interest-led learning
>
> >
> > >From your description, your children went/are going through the normal
phase
> >that lots of children go through. A dyslexic does not go through a
phase,
> >it doesn't go away with age, and while most learn to compensate, most
also
> >say they wish someone had helped them earlier in life.
>
> So how does an unschooling parent tell the difference? How does one know
> when to intervene and when to just wait for the child?
> Tia
>
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Our friend the doctor of Psychology would agree. If it hadn't been for
the patience of his wife and the help of his sons, he never would have
been diagnosed properly. Sure, he was compensating but he was also
frustrated with himself because he did not understand the reasons for his
problems.
And yes, I think a lot of terms are being applied incorrectly. Dyslexia
gets a fair workout. ADD/ADHD does too. Allergy/Sensitivity is another
one. And don't get me started on the difference between depression and
having the blues! But that does not mean that the problems don't exist.
At this point I feel sorry for the people whose children really need
ritalin because there is so much abuse of it that they are automatically
assumed to be like those others who just want to keep their kids quiet.
Bridget
Nollaig Shona -- S�och�in ar domhan,
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Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no
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the patience of his wife and the help of his sons, he never would have
been diagnosed properly. Sure, he was compensating but he was also
frustrated with himself because he did not understand the reasons for his
problems.
And yes, I think a lot of terms are being applied incorrectly. Dyslexia
gets a fair workout. ADD/ADHD does too. Allergy/Sensitivity is another
one. And don't get me started on the difference between depression and
having the blues! But that does not mean that the problems don't exist.
At this point I feel sorry for the people whose children really need
ritalin because there is so much abuse of it that they are automatically
assumed to be like those others who just want to keep their kids quiet.
Bridget
Nollaig Shona -- S�och�in ar domhan,
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Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no
one to blame.
- Erica Jong>
> From your description, your children went/are going through the normalphase
> that lots of children go through. A dyslexic does not go through aphase,
> it doesn't go away with age, and while most learn to compensate, mostalso
> say they wish someone had helped them earlier in life.
>
> Lynda