Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1632
Julie Stauffer
<<do you point out the spelling/grammar mistakes or not>>
It depends on what your child wants. Do they just want to share a story
they thought up? Why spoil that by pointing out where they could have
"improved"?
Last year Adriane was applying to a program through 4-H and had to write an
essay. When she gave it to me to read, before I even looked at it, I asked
her if she wanted help with spelling. She said "no, I think I've got it
pretty good". So we sent in an essay with a few words spelled creatively.
She was accepted into the program and felt good about doing it herself.
Julie
It depends on what your child wants. Do they just want to share a story
they thought up? Why spoil that by pointing out where they could have
"improved"?
Last year Adriane was applying to a program through 4-H and had to write an
essay. When she gave it to me to read, before I even looked at it, I asked
her if she wanted help with spelling. She said "no, I think I've got it
pretty good". So we sent in an essay with a few words spelled creatively.
She was accepted into the program and felt good about doing it herself.
Julie
Julie Stauffer
<<she wouldn't be the insecure kid she is today>>
Well, if she wants to learn these things, why doesn't she? You seem to be
posting that the critical difference is whether or not YOU imposed these
"basics" on her at a given time. It is much easier for an 11yo to learn to
tell time than a 5yo. If your dd wants to learn these things, what is
keeping her from doing that?
Julie
Well, if she wants to learn these things, why doesn't she? You seem to be
posting that the critical difference is whether or not YOU imposed these
"basics" on her at a given time. It is much easier for an 11yo to learn to
tell time than a 5yo. If your dd wants to learn these things, what is
keeping her from doing that?
Julie
Sarah Carothers
Julie,
While age does usually make learning something easier, a child with a learning dis-ability may not find it any easier at 10 than at 5. I don't know that that's my dd's problem exactly... there's been no testing and diagnosis of "x" disorder as I don't see why I should put her through all that if we can help it.
I didn't find any helpful information in your response to my post but I did sense a lot of annoyance. Is there a problem?
Sarah
While age does usually make learning something easier, a child with a learning dis-ability may not find it any easier at 10 than at 5. I don't know that that's my dd's problem exactly... there's been no testing and diagnosis of "x" disorder as I don't see why I should put her through all that if we can help it.
I didn't find any helpful information in your response to my post but I did sense a lot of annoyance. Is there a problem?
Sarah
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Stauffer
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1632
<<she wouldn't be the insecure kid she is today>>
Well, if she wants to learn these things, why doesn't she? You seem to be
posting that the critical difference is whether or not YOU imposed these
"basics" on her at a given time. It is much easier for an 11yo to learn to
tell time than a 5yo. If your dd wants to learn these things, what is
keeping her from doing that?
Julie
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT
Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joy Sypher
<<do you point out the spelling/grammar mistakes or not>>
<It depends on what your child wants. Do they just want to share a story
they thought up? Why spoil that by pointing out where they could have
"improved"?>
I agree. In the past when I've been insecure and letting all that school
mentality creep through, I've corrected their spelling in stories that they
write. Eventually they quit writing. They quit sharing. It took nearly a
year before their natural creativity took over and they started writing
again. They still have some stuff they won't show me. I feel that it's out
of fear I might point out gammar mistakes. All I managed to do is teach them
that somethings have more value than others.
Learn from others but go to your own school
Joy in NM
hs sahm of two, Michael and Kenna
*
*
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
<It depends on what your child wants. Do they just want to share a story
they thought up? Why spoil that by pointing out where they could have
"improved"?>
I agree. In the past when I've been insecure and letting all that school
mentality creep through, I've corrected their spelling in stories that they
write. Eventually they quit writing. They quit sharing. It took nearly a
year before their natural creativity took over and they started writing
again. They still have some stuff they won't show me. I feel that it's out
of fear I might point out gammar mistakes. All I managed to do is teach them
that somethings have more value than others.
Learn from others but go to your own school
Joy in NM
hs sahm of two, Michael and Kenna
*
*
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/29/2001 1:21:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
puddles@... writes:
reading "problems" in the posts where people pose questions to you and
"challenge" you (for lack of a better term). It appears that you may be a bit
defensive. I always find it helpful when my hackles get raised by something
someone said, to check my own reactions because there is most often a clue
there for me. It's free advice. . . feel free to ponder or discard. :)
lovemary
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
puddles@... writes:
> I didn't find any helpful information in your response to my post but I didIf I may respond in a gentle fashion here Sarah. It appears like you are
> sense a lot of annoyance. Is there a problem?
> Sarah
>
reading "problems" in the posts where people pose questions to you and
"challenge" you (for lack of a better term). It appears that you may be a bit
defensive. I always find it helpful when my hackles get raised by something
someone said, to check my own reactions because there is most often a clue
there for me. It's free advice. . . feel free to ponder or discard. :)
lovemary
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Fetteroll
on 11/29/01 12:00 AM, Sarah Carothers at puddles@... wrote:
No one has a posting style that is universally loved. Some of us have
posting styles that irk some people. Some of us have *personalities* that
irk some people. ;-) If we are bothered by a trend of a fair number of
people getting irked, then it's problably something we're doing and we can
try to figure out what we're doing to cause that. If it's isolated people
getting irked, then we can chalk it up to it being their problem and we can
just ignore them. But we can't change other people.
help to us than others then we can just take what we liked and leave what we
didn't find helpful for someone else?
I think it's helpful to picture our best friend saying with a gentle smile
what's being said. Too often words stripped of body language lose a lot of
what someone is trying to communicate.
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> I didn't find any helpful information in your response to my post but I didI think it's best if personal irritations are sent off list.
> sense a lot of annoyance. Is there a problem?
No one has a posting style that is universally loved. Some of us have
posting styles that irk some people. Some of us have *personalities* that
irk some people. ;-) If we are bothered by a trend of a fair number of
people getting irked, then it's problably something we're doing and we can
try to figure out what we're doing to cause that. If it's isolated people
getting irked, then we can chalk it up to it being their problem and we can
just ignore them. But we can't change other people.
> Lots of helpful ideas and suggestions and only a *few* who have offeredAnd perhaps in terms of community building if we find some people of less
> empty-minded posts. Refreshing...
help to us than others then we can just take what we liked and leave what we
didn't find helpful for someone else?
I think it's helpful to picture our best friend saying with a gentle smile
what's being said. Too often words stripped of body language lose a lot of
what someone is trying to communicate.
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Fetteroll
on 11/29/01 12:00 AM, Sarah Carothers at puddles@... wrote:
way in addition to the learing disability. She won't have the real world,
contextual experience that a 10 yo has with whatever she's trying to learn.
Her brain won't be as mature.
That won't make learning for a 10 yo with learning disabilities as easy as
it is for a 10 yo without, but it does remove *some* of the barriers.
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> While age does usually make learning something easier, a child with a learningActually it should make a difference. A 5 yo will have 5 yo barriers in her
> dis-ability may not find it any easier at 10 than at 5.
way in addition to the learing disability. She won't have the real world,
contextual experience that a 10 yo has with whatever she's trying to learn.
Her brain won't be as mature.
That won't make learning for a 10 yo with learning disabilities as easy as
it is for a 10 yo without, but it does remove *some* of the barriers.
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tia Leschke
At 12:00 AM 11/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
scenario with my son, except that he didn't seem to want to learn. He
certainly never asked for help, but I often wondered if that was because he
had already decided that he was "too stupid" to learn it. (Yes, even
unschooled kids can end up feeling stupid when they have trouble learning
something.) In fact, the main reason I panicked and decided to push him
(at age 12) was because someone told me about an unschooling family that
discovered all their children were dyslexic when the oldest was 14. The
mother had felt guilty about not trying to do something about it earlier.
I still don't know the answer. The testing for dyslexia is very expensive,
and my son doesn't want to go through it anyway. For the last few months,
I've just let him be, and I got more support for doing that here. He does
seem to be able to read his bike magazines and web pages about bikes. He
doesn't read anywhere near fast enough to read novels. I would just assume
he was more interested in non-fiction, but he still loves to have novels
read to him. (We just finished Goblet of Fire for the second time.)
Good luck!
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
********************************************************************************************
It is the answers which separate us, the questions which unite us. - Janice
Levy
>Julie,I hear where you're coming from, Sarah. I've been through much the same
>While age does usually make learning something easier, a child with a
>learning dis-ability may not find it any easier at 10 than at 5. I don't
>know that that's my dd's problem exactly... there's been no testing and
>diagnosis of "x" disorder as I don't see why I should put her through all
>that if we can help it.
scenario with my son, except that he didn't seem to want to learn. He
certainly never asked for help, but I often wondered if that was because he
had already decided that he was "too stupid" to learn it. (Yes, even
unschooled kids can end up feeling stupid when they have trouble learning
something.) In fact, the main reason I panicked and decided to push him
(at age 12) was because someone told me about an unschooling family that
discovered all their children were dyslexic when the oldest was 14. The
mother had felt guilty about not trying to do something about it earlier.
I still don't know the answer. The testing for dyslexia is very expensive,
and my son doesn't want to go through it anyway. For the last few months,
I've just let him be, and I got more support for doing that here. He does
seem to be able to read his bike magazines and web pages about bikes. He
doesn't read anywhere near fast enough to read novels. I would just assume
he was more interested in non-fiction, but he still loves to have novels
read to him. (We just finished Goblet of Fire for the second time.)
Good luck!
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
********************************************************************************************
It is the answers which separate us, the questions which unite us. - Janice
Levy
Lynda
I use to work at a rehab center. From experience and from all the reference
material we had, for the learning disabled, or physically, as far as that
goes, in the vast majority of cases, younger is better. With age comes more
barriers and more perceptions of "can't."
We treated lots of brain traumas. The younger children would whiz through
and come back with more abilities. The time required increased with the age
of the patient and the degree of success declined with the age.
Lynda
material we had, for the learning disabled, or physically, as far as that
goes, in the vast majority of cases, younger is better. With age comes more
barriers and more perceptions of "can't."
We treated lots of brain traumas. The younger children would whiz through
and come back with more abilities. The time required increased with the age
of the patient and the degree of success declined with the age.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1632
> on 11/29/01 12:00 AM, Sarah Carothers at puddles@... wrote:
>
> > While age does usually make learning something easier, a child with a
learning
> > dis-ability may not find it any easier at 10 than at 5.
>
> Actually it should make a difference. A 5 yo will have 5 yo barriers in
her
> way in addition to the learing disability. She won't have the real world,
> contextual experience that a 10 yo has with whatever she's trying to
learn.
> Her brain won't be as mature.
>
> That won't make learning for a 10 yo with learning disabilities as easy as
> it is for a 10 yo without, but it does remove *some* of the barriers.
>
> Joyce
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
[email protected]
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:54:20 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
intervening years, so the options were working with a 5 yr old who didn't
yet feel like he was a failure and learning was impossible, or working
with a 10 yr old who did.
For "learning disabilities", that is, Physial issues are a bit different,
IME.
Dar
________________________________________________________________
GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
> I use to work at a rehab center. From experience and from all theBecause children who are in the system are failing repeatedly during the
> reference
> material we had, for the learning disabled, or physically, as far as
> that
> goes, in the vast majority of cases, younger is better. With age
> comes more
> barriers and more perceptions of "can't."
intervening years, so the options were working with a 5 yr old who didn't
yet feel like he was a failure and learning was impossible, or working
with a 10 yr old who did.
For "learning disabilities", that is, Physial issues are a bit different,
IME.
Dar
________________________________________________________________
GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
Elizabeth Hill
Tia Leschke wrote:
I don't have any direct, personal experience with dyslexia. But I found the book _The Gift of
Dyslexia_ at my library. It was pretty fascinating. The author is a sculptor who is dyslexic
and does (expensive I suppose) testing and therapy. His description of how his mind functions
when he tries to read was the most interesting part of the book.
There's probably also quite a bit of info about dyslexia online if you want to self-diagnose.
(I wasn't clear if your son really doesn't want to be labled.)
Betsy
> I still don't know the answer. The testing for dyslexia is very expensive,Hi, Tia --
> and my son doesn't want to go through it anyway.
I don't have any direct, personal experience with dyslexia. But I found the book _The Gift of
Dyslexia_ at my library. It was pretty fascinating. The author is a sculptor who is dyslexic
and does (expensive I suppose) testing and therapy. His description of how his mind functions
when he tries to read was the most interesting part of the book.
There's probably also quite a bit of info about dyslexia online if you want to self-diagnose.
(I wasn't clear if your son really doesn't want to be labled.)
Betsy
Lynda
The head of OT was a real neat gal and we talked about the age thing. I
think from those discussions that younger was easier also because with young
kids it isn't necessarily viewed as "work" but can be viewed as "play."
With older kids, particularly those that have been in kiddy prison, almost
anything, even help seems to have a negative connotation.
Lynda
think from those discussions that younger was easier also because with young
kids it isn't necessarily viewed as "work" but can be viewed as "play."
With older kids, particularly those that have been in kiddy prison, almost
anything, even help seems to have a negative connotation.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <freeform@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1632
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:54:20 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
> > I use to work at a rehab center. From experience and from all the
> > reference
> > material we had, for the learning disabled, or physically, as far as
> > that
> > goes, in the vast majority of cases, younger is better. With age
> > comes more
> > barriers and more perceptions of "can't."
>
> Because children who are in the system are failing repeatedly during the
> intervening years, so the options were working with a 5 yr old who didn't
> yet feel like he was a failure and learning was impossible, or working
> with a 10 yr old who did.
>
> For "learning disabilities", that is, Physial issues are a bit different,
> IME.
>
> Dar
> ________________________________________________________________
> GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
> Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
> Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:
> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Tia Leschke
>Read the book. It's great. In some ways it describes my son.
>
>I don't have any direct, personal experience with dyslexia. But I found
>the book _The Gift of
>Dyslexia_ at my library. It was pretty fascinating. The author is a
>sculptor who is dyslexic
>and does (expensive I suppose) testing and therapy. His description of
>how his mind functions
>when he tries to read was the most interesting part of the book.
>There's probably also quite a bit of info about dyslexia online if youI'm not really interested in a label. What I would want would be to know
>want to self-diagnose.
>(I wasn't clear if your son really doesn't want to be labled.)
the exact thing that might be going differently (rather than wrong) in his
brain and how to work with it. It seems that's the expensive testing. At
least when we investigated a learning centre near here. I'd pursue it
further if Lars wanted to.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
********************************************************************************************
It is the answers which separate us, the questions which unite us. - Janice
Levy