Re:new subject!
Sarah Carothers
Do any of you have experience with your older children attending local community colleges? At what age were they allowed to attend a few classes? How did they fare, coming from an unschooled background?What subjects did they take?
TIA,
Sarah
TIA,
Sarah
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From: groundhoggirl
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:57 PM
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Hi Christine,
Can you briefly mention your 2 new subjects? I'll try to respond if I
can. There are so many posts on this list that I simply don't have the
time to read every one. I'm new to this list also.
Mimi
On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 10:52 AM, Christine Evenson wrote:
>> I am new to this list and I have tried to bring up two new subjects
>> and they have been answered by only one person.
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>> Instead of
>> complaining why don't you write about unschooling yourself. Get a
>> thread
>> started on what you are interested in. These kinds of messages always
>> give me
>> a chuckle . . . you see them on every kind of list there is.
>>
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Elsa Haas
I dont have any direct experience with kids attending a college class or
two, but Ive often thought that sign language would be a great choice for
older kids to study at a community college.
I took a short (three session) course in sign language at the local public
library. My son came along he was just learning to stand up at the time,
and we had been doing baby signs at home and he was very welcome. There
were three or four teens in the class, and the others were adults.
Sign language is the sort of thing that, since it is so new to most of us
and since it relies much less on traditional academic skills than other
courses, can sometimes level the playing field for kids who are not
necessarily at college level in other areas. Some of the kids were a lot
faster at picking things up than some of us adults were.
I dont know what policies colleges might have about these courses maybe
it would be easier to access them if theyre non-credit, adult education
or community courses held at the college.
One warning about sign, though there seem to be a lot of colleges and
other institutions hiring non-native signers to teach these courses. Thats
not necessarily bad, but it might be. Unless the person is Deaf or very
involved in the Deaf community (child of a Deaf adult, very experienced
interpreter, etc.), what you might get is a teacher who has basically
memorized a bunch of signs and has no idea how to string them together. That
s like memorizing the dictionary for a spoken language, never having heard
it and having not a clue as to sentence structure. So ask a lot of questions
about the teacher before you sign up.
Another thing to consider is whether the child in question is likely to be
good at sign. Some people are more visually oriented and have better
coordination. I have trouble with both of these areas, but since Ive
already had a lot of experience in various educational settings, and am
aware of the hidden classroom dynamics (initially through John Holts
books), I didnt let the fact that I was kind of slow to catch on bother me
too much. Its pretty evident when youre making mistakes in sign (as
opposed to in some written exercise), so you wouldnt want a kid to feel so
much on the spot that he or she missed having any fun and decided that all
classroom learning is by definition horrible.
Elsa Haas
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Carothers [mailto:puddles@...]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:new subject!
Do any of you have experience with your older children attending local
community colleges? At what age were they allowed to attend a few classes?
How did they fare, coming from an unschooled background?What subjects did
they take?
TIA,
Sarah
two, but Ive often thought that sign language would be a great choice for
older kids to study at a community college.
I took a short (three session) course in sign language at the local public
library. My son came along he was just learning to stand up at the time,
and we had been doing baby signs at home and he was very welcome. There
were three or four teens in the class, and the others were adults.
Sign language is the sort of thing that, since it is so new to most of us
and since it relies much less on traditional academic skills than other
courses, can sometimes level the playing field for kids who are not
necessarily at college level in other areas. Some of the kids were a lot
faster at picking things up than some of us adults were.
I dont know what policies colleges might have about these courses maybe
it would be easier to access them if theyre non-credit, adult education
or community courses held at the college.
One warning about sign, though there seem to be a lot of colleges and
other institutions hiring non-native signers to teach these courses. Thats
not necessarily bad, but it might be. Unless the person is Deaf or very
involved in the Deaf community (child of a Deaf adult, very experienced
interpreter, etc.), what you might get is a teacher who has basically
memorized a bunch of signs and has no idea how to string them together. That
s like memorizing the dictionary for a spoken language, never having heard
it and having not a clue as to sentence structure. So ask a lot of questions
about the teacher before you sign up.
Another thing to consider is whether the child in question is likely to be
good at sign. Some people are more visually oriented and have better
coordination. I have trouble with both of these areas, but since Ive
already had a lot of experience in various educational settings, and am
aware of the hidden classroom dynamics (initially through John Holts
books), I didnt let the fact that I was kind of slow to catch on bother me
too much. Its pretty evident when youre making mistakes in sign (as
opposed to in some written exercise), so you wouldnt want a kid to feel so
much on the spot that he or she missed having any fun and decided that all
classroom learning is by definition horrible.
Elsa Haas
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Carothers [mailto:puddles@...]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:new subject!
Do any of you have experience with your older children attending local
community colleges? At what age were they allowed to attend a few classes?
How did they fare, coming from an unschooled background?What subjects did
they take?
TIA,
Sarah
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From: groundhoggirl
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling
Hi Christine,
Can you briefly mention your 2 new subjects? I'll try to respond if I
can. There are so many posts on this list that I simply don't have the
time to read every one. I'm new to this list also.
Mimi
On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 10:52 AM, Christine Evenson wrote:
>> I am new to this list and I have tried to bring up two new subjects
>> and they have been answered by only one person.
>
>
> )))))))))))))))
>
>> Instead of
>> complaining why don't you write about unschooling yourself. Get a
>> thread
>> started on what you are interested in. These kinds of messages always
>> give me
>> a chuckle . . . you see them on every kind of list there is.
>>
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Sarah Carothers
Sign language is a great suggestion, Ellen. We learned a few words years ago (this particular child is now 15.5 so it's been 10 yrs since we did that) but already knowing a little about signing would make it easier to sign up for that class.
Sarah
Sarah
----- Original Message -----
From: Elsa Haas
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:new subject!
I don't have any direct experience with kids attending a college class or
two, but I've often thought that sign language would be a great choice for
older kids to study at a community college.
I took a short (three session) course in sign language at the local public
library. My son came along - he was just learning to stand up at the time,
and we had been doing "baby signs" at home - and he was very welcome. There
were three or four teens in the class, and the others were adults.
Sign language is the sort of thing that, since it is so new to most of us
and since it relies much less on traditional academic skills than other
courses, can sometimes level the playing field for kids who are not
necessarily at "college level" in other areas. Some of the kids were a lot
faster at picking things up than some of us adults were.
I don't know what policies colleges might have about these courses - maybe
it would be easier to access them if they're non-credit, "adult education"
or "community" courses held at the college.
One warning about sign, though - there seem to be a lot of colleges and
other institutions hiring non-native signers to teach these courses. That's
not necessarily bad, but it might be. Unless the person is Deaf or very
involved in the Deaf community (child of a Deaf adult, very experienced
interpreter, etc.), what you might get is a teacher who has basically
memorized a bunch of signs and has no idea how to string them together. That
's like memorizing the dictionary for a spoken language, never having heard
it and having not a clue as to sentence structure. So ask a lot of questions
about the teacher before you sign up.
Another thing to consider is whether the child in question is likely to be
"good at" sign. Some people are more visually oriented and have better
coordination. I have trouble with both of these areas, but since I've
already had a lot of experience in various "educational" settings, and am
aware of the hidden classroom dynamics (initially through John Holt's
books), I didn't let the fact that I was kind of slow to catch on bother me
too much. It's pretty evident when you're making mistakes in sign (as
opposed to in some written exercise), so you wouldn't want a kid to feel so
much on the spot that he or she missed having any fun and decided that all
classroom learning is by definition horrible.
Elsa Haas
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Carothers [mailto:puddles@...]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:new subject!
Do any of you have experience with your older children attending local
community colleges? At what age were they allowed to attend a few classes?
How did they fare, coming from an unschooled background?What subjects did
they take?
TIA,
Sarah
----- Original Message -----
From: groundhoggirl
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] unschooling
Hi Christine,
Can you briefly mention your 2 new subjects? I'll try to respond if I
can. There are so many posts on this list that I simply don't have the
time to read every one. I'm new to this list also.
Mimi
On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 10:52 AM, Christine Evenson wrote:
>> I am new to this list and I have tried to bring up two new subjects
>> and they have been answered by only one person.
>
>
> )))))))))))))))
>
>> Instead of
>> complaining why don't you write about unschooling yourself. Get a
>> thread
>> started on what you are interested in. These kinds of messages always
>> give me
>> a chuckle . . . you see them on every kind of list there is.
>>
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Bridget E Coffman
Mine have not attended classes on their own yet but they did accompany me
to one of mine so they know what to expect. Rachel is looking into the
college thing right now. She will either start in Jan or Sept of 2002.
I have a friend whose son started post secondary at Kent State this year
and he is doing fine. The regulations vary by state and by college.
Ohio has a program (post secondary) where high school age kids can go to
college for free. They get credit both in High School and College for
the classes. Homeschoolers who are using an umbrella school can do this
too. We may sign up with Clonlara so we can use this option.
To be admitted as a regular student at the school she wants to attend
Rachel will need to pass the GED test. As I said we are still in the
reasearch phase of this but I am hoping she can get away without it. But
then that is my bias not hers so I won't balk if she wants to take it.
Rachel also went and toured a different local college two weeks ago. The
admissions counselor complimented her on her maturity and ability to
communicate.
Bridget
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:21:10 -0500 "Sarah Carothers"
<puddles@...> writes:
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
to one of mine so they know what to expect. Rachel is looking into the
college thing right now. She will either start in Jan or Sept of 2002.
I have a friend whose son started post secondary at Kent State this year
and he is doing fine. The regulations vary by state and by college.
Ohio has a program (post secondary) where high school age kids can go to
college for free. They get credit both in High School and College for
the classes. Homeschoolers who are using an umbrella school can do this
too. We may sign up with Clonlara so we can use this option.
To be admitted as a regular student at the school she wants to attend
Rachel will need to pass the GED test. As I said we are still in the
reasearch phase of this but I am hoping she can get away without it. But
then that is my bias not hers so I won't balk if she wants to take it.
Rachel also went and toured a different local college two weeks ago. The
admissions counselor complimented her on her maturity and ability to
communicate.
Bridget
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:21:10 -0500 "Sarah Carothers"
<puddles@...> writes:
> Do any of you have experience with your older children attending^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> local community colleges? At what age were they allowed to attend a
> few classes? How did they fare, coming from an unschooled
> background?What subjects did they take?
> TIA,
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
Sarah Carothers
<They get credit both in High School and College for
the classes. Homeschoolers who are using an umbrella school can do this
too. We may sign up with Clonlara so we can use this option.
Sarah
the classes. Homeschoolers who are using an umbrella school can do this
too. We may sign up with Clonlara so we can use this option.
>>>>>I have no facts to verify this, but I'd think you could get that credit without signing up for Clonlara or anybody elses program. Anybody?
Sarah
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From: Bridget E Coffman
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:new subject!
Mine have not attended classes on their own yet but they did accompany me
to one of mine so they know what to expect. Rachel is looking into the
college thing right now. She will either start in Jan or Sept of 2002.
I have a friend whose son started post secondary at Kent State this year
and he is doing fine. The regulations vary by state and by college.
Ohio has a program (post secondary) where high school age kids can go to
college for free. They get credit both in High School and College for
the classes. Homeschoolers who are using an umbrella school can do this
too. We may sign up with Clonlara so we can use this option.
To be admitted as a regular student at the school she wants to attend
Rachel will need to pass the GED test. As I said we are still in the
reasearch phase of this but I am hoping she can get away without it. But
then that is my bias not hers so I won't balk if she wants to take it.
Rachel also went and toured a different local college two weeks ago. The
admissions counselor complimented her on her maturity and ability to
communicate.
Bridget
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:21:10 -0500 "Sarah Carothers"
<puddles@...> writes:
> Do any of you have experience with your older children attending
> local community colleges? At what age were they allowed to attend a
> few classes? How did they fare, coming from an unschooled
> background?What subjects did they take?
> TIA,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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goes on.
- Robert Frost
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Sarah Carothers
<<Rachel also went and toured a different local college two weeks ago. The
admissions counselor complimented her on her maturity and ability to
communicate.
Bridget
Sarah
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admissions counselor complimented her on her maturity and ability to
communicate.
Bridget
>>>>>>>.I believe that's a universal obsrevation of homeschooled kids. We hear it alot, too. Don't you think it all stems from their interactions with all ages through the years? I do...
Sarah
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Bridget E Coffman
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:15:13 -0500 "Sarah Carothers"
<puddles@...> writes:
to be "enrolled" somewhere. At least that's what I have been told so
far. We are still researching though - looking for that loophole to slip
through.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
<puddles@...> writes:
> <They get credit both in High School and College forIn Ohio to use the program that lets you take classes for free you have
> the classes. Homeschoolers who are using an umbrella school can do
> this
> too. We may sign up with Clonlara so we can use this option.
> >>>>>
> I have no facts to verify this, but I'd think you could get that
> credit without signing up for Clonlara or anybody elses program.
> Anybody?
> Sarah
to be "enrolled" somewhere. At least that's what I have been told so
far. We are still researching though - looking for that loophole to slip
through.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
Bridget E Coffman
YES!!! Most definitely. I think the fact that Rachel has adult friends
has helped her learn to converse with almost anyone.
Bridget
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
has helped her learn to converse with almost anyone.
Bridget
> I believe that's a universal obsrevation of homeschooled kids. We^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> hear it alot, too. Don't you think it all stems from their
> interactions with all ages through the years? I do...
> Sarah
>
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost