dishes
Annette Naake
Sandra writes,
If I didn't like the mess, I'd do the dishes.
And then you'd end up always doing the dishes, and never having dishes when
you want to eat, and that sucks!
Personally, if I went two weeks without anyone around here helping, I'd ...
I'd... go find a new family!
Annette
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If I didn't like the mess, I'd do the dishes.
And then you'd end up always doing the dishes, and never having dishes when
you want to eat, and that sucks!
Personally, if I went two weeks without anyone around here helping, I'd ...
I'd... go find a new family!
Annette
(an Anne Tyler fan...)
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In a message dated 11/20/01 4:52:52 PM Mountain Standard Time,
naake1999@... writes:
I am telling you something real, and you're predicting the outcome in most
definite terms.
There are lots of familes here not "making" their kids do dishes, who are not
out of dishes.
When I don't like the mess, I do the dishes. If I never did the dishes, if I
didn't mind the mess, someone else would get tired of it sooner than I did.
What should be the percentage of my dishwashing? Should I only wash those I
eat from? 1/6, 1/5, 1/2? I am NOT going to start counting up, timing, or
otherwise measuring dishwashing in my house. That would be more work and
grief than if I did all the dishes every day forevermore.
Sandra
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naake1999@... writes:
> Sandra writes,WHOA!!!!
>
>
> If I didn't like the mess, I'd do the dishes.
>
> And then you'd end up always doing the dishes, and never having dishes when
> you want to eat, and that sucks!
>
I am telling you something real, and you're predicting the outcome in most
definite terms.
There are lots of familes here not "making" their kids do dishes, who are not
out of dishes.
When I don't like the mess, I do the dishes. If I never did the dishes, if I
didn't mind the mess, someone else would get tired of it sooner than I did.
What should be the percentage of my dishwashing? Should I only wash those I
eat from? 1/6, 1/5, 1/2? I am NOT going to start counting up, timing, or
otherwise measuring dishwashing in my house. That would be more work and
grief than if I did all the dishes every day forevermore.
Sandra
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:50:07 -0600 "Annette Naake"
<naake1999@...> writes:
Our family doesn't run that way. The families we have known who don't
assign chores or make people get up and clean don't work that way. It's
just not an adversarial relationship with someone trying to make someone
else do things.
Last night I plopped down on the couch next to Cacie with a full laundry
basket ready to be folded, and I was sort of surprised that she didn't
start folding with me. She usually does. I could have said something, I
guess, but I didn't, and as time went on I realized that she was really
intently watching the video we had on, and later on she even wrote some
notes about it. To me, that's more important than helping me fold
laundry, and it really wasn't that big of a deal for me to do it all.
OTOH, later that evening she went and cleaned the catbox, a job no one
has ever assigned to her, a job that she actually taught herself to do by
watching me and started doing fairly regularly.
Dar
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<naake1999@...> writes:
> And then you'd end up always doing the dishes, and never havingBut that just doesn't happen, and I don't know how else to explain it.
> dishes when
> you want to eat, and that sucks!
>
> Personally, if I went two weeks without anyone around here helping,
> I'd ...
> I'd... go find a new family!
>
Our family doesn't run that way. The families we have known who don't
assign chores or make people get up and clean don't work that way. It's
just not an adversarial relationship with someone trying to make someone
else do things.
Last night I plopped down on the couch next to Cacie with a full laundry
basket ready to be folded, and I was sort of surprised that she didn't
start folding with me. She usually does. I could have said something, I
guess, but I didn't, and as time went on I realized that she was really
intently watching the video we had on, and later on she even wrote some
notes about it. To me, that's more important than helping me fold
laundry, and it really wasn't that big of a deal for me to do it all.
OTOH, later that evening she went and cleaned the catbox, a job no one
has ever assigned to her, a job that she actually taught herself to do by
watching me and started doing fairly regularly.
Dar
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Oops, sorry, you're right (was it Sandra?)... I shouldn't have extrapolated
my experience to your family.
Perhaps if dishes pile up at *other* people's houses, someone else in the
family besides the chief dishwasher notices it and washes them. That never
happened when I had housemates. That doesn't happen in my family, either, at
least not promptly enough to suit moi. Ergo, chores.
But dishes (mine, yours, anyone's) weren't the point! The point was simply
that you CAN have chores and limits and STILL allow your children to learn
and grow at their own pace. You can ditch the school system, but you don't
have to ditch parental responsibility.
Just a little common-sense interjection.
Annette
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my experience to your family.
Perhaps if dishes pile up at *other* people's houses, someone else in the
family besides the chief dishwasher notices it and washes them. That never
happened when I had housemates. That doesn't happen in my family, either, at
least not promptly enough to suit moi. Ergo, chores.
But dishes (mine, yours, anyone's) weren't the point! The point was simply
that you CAN have chores and limits and STILL allow your children to learn
and grow at their own pace. You can ditch the school system, but you don't
have to ditch parental responsibility.
Just a little common-sense interjection.
Annette
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dishes, period. More on that in a minute) and I had a *problem* with that,
I'd ask for help and I'd get it. It wouldn't suck, it would be a small point
in our family life that if I felt irritable about being the sole dish-doer
I'd address. But I would not expect to assign one of my children to do it,
any more than I'd expect to assign my husband to do it.
Now, a fact of nature in our house is that I don't mind doing dishes.
Sometimes, I actively enjoy it. So I do the dishes, because my daughters
really aren't old enough (if later they find they enjoy them, too, we'll
find ways to take turns) and my husband hates doing them.
Me, I hate lawn mowing. Really detest it, so my husband, who rather likes
making the yard look nice, does that. We both do laundry, as we can take it
or leave it. We all all fold clothes and put them away, without needing to
talk about it or assign it. We all pick up in general. We all vacuum. We all
dust, though usually I'm the first to notice it and the rest get in on the
act.
If one of us bothered by a mess, we tend to clean it. If we're bothered and
want help, we ask nicely for it and get help.
But there is no difference between how the adults or children are treated in
the asking.
I didn't grow up in a family like this. I grew up in a family that used
every single solitary chore-devising and tracking method known to man, and
not one of us ever voluntarily cleaned up anything in that house, only the
bare minimum of what was assigned and enforced, if that.
I find the way we have now a lot more relaxing, a lot more calm and warm and
respectful.
Pam
>From: [email protected]If nobody else did the dishes (which in our household is a fact, I do the
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1605
>Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2001, 4:30 PM
>
> If I didn't like the mess, I'd do the dishes.
>
> And then you'd end up always doing the dishes, and never having dishes when
> you want to eat, and that sucks!
dishes, period. More on that in a minute) and I had a *problem* with that,
I'd ask for help and I'd get it. It wouldn't suck, it would be a small point
in our family life that if I felt irritable about being the sole dish-doer
I'd address. But I would not expect to assign one of my children to do it,
any more than I'd expect to assign my husband to do it.
Now, a fact of nature in our house is that I don't mind doing dishes.
Sometimes, I actively enjoy it. So I do the dishes, because my daughters
really aren't old enough (if later they find they enjoy them, too, we'll
find ways to take turns) and my husband hates doing them.
Me, I hate lawn mowing. Really detest it, so my husband, who rather likes
making the yard look nice, does that. We both do laundry, as we can take it
or leave it. We all all fold clothes and put them away, without needing to
talk about it or assign it. We all pick up in general. We all vacuum. We all
dust, though usually I'm the first to notice it and the rest get in on the
act.
If one of us bothered by a mess, we tend to clean it. If we're bothered and
want help, we ask nicely for it and get help.
But there is no difference between how the adults or children are treated in
the asking.
I didn't grow up in a family like this. I grew up in a family that used
every single solitary chore-devising and tracking method known to man, and
not one of us ever voluntarily cleaned up anything in that house, only the
bare minimum of what was assigned and enforced, if that.
I find the way we have now a lot more relaxing, a lot more calm and warm and
respectful.
Pam
Tia Leschke
>I do the dishes pretty well every night. It doesn't kill me. And my
>And then you'd end up always doing the dishes, and never having dishes when
>you want to eat, and that sucks!
family helps out with the things I'm unable to do. Not a problem.
>Personally, if I went two weeks without anyone around here helping, I'd ...If nobody did anything to help me around here for two weeks, I'd be trying
>I'd... go find a new family!
to figure out what the reason was. So far, it's never happened.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Tia Leschke
>Up to here, I agree with you
>But dishes (mine, yours, anyone's) weren't the point! The point was simply
>that you CAN have chores and limits and STILL allow your children to learn
>and grow at their own pace.
>You can ditch the school system, but you don'tBut you're still equating no chores and such with an abdication of parental
>have to ditch parental responsibility.
responsibility. Can you not see that, just as we all handle our
responsibility for our children's education a little differently, so do we
all handle our *parental responsibility* differently? Doing things
differently from the way you do them, doesn't need to result in an
accusation of irresponsibility. (And as long as you are looking at it as
irresponsibility, you'll never need to really look at the idea in terms of
what value it might have.) Keep in mind that I'm a parent who *does*
assign a chore, though I'm not at all rigid about it.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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<< That doesn't happen in my family, either, at
least not promptly enough to suit moi. Ergo, chores. >>
If it bugs you, why is it someone else's job?
-=- You can ditch the school system, but you don't
have to ditch parental responsibility.-=-
AGAIN you suggest that it is being an irresponsible parent NOT to require
children to wash "their share" of the dishes.
-=-Just a little common-sense interjection.-=-
"Common sense" sometimes amounts to just following tradition without thinking
about why.
Yes, families can require their kids to do stuff on schedules. But
recommending it to other families on the unschooling list as the best or only
way is bound to get some commentary.
Sandra
least not promptly enough to suit moi. Ergo, chores. >>
If it bugs you, why is it someone else's job?
-=- You can ditch the school system, but you don't
have to ditch parental responsibility.-=-
AGAIN you suggest that it is being an irresponsible parent NOT to require
children to wash "their share" of the dishes.
-=-Just a little common-sense interjection.-=-
"Common sense" sometimes amounts to just following tradition without thinking
about why.
Yes, families can require their kids to do stuff on schedules. But
recommending it to other families on the unschooling list as the best or only
way is bound to get some commentary.
Sandra
[email protected]
<< I find the way we have now a lot more relaxing, a lot more calm and warm
and
respectful. >>
I had a same-age cousin who lived with us. She used to volunteer to do
housework sometimes--and big stuff, like mopping, or cleaning bathrooms. It
was (official decision of the other kids) STUPID to do that. She was sucking
up, at best.
If Holly gets the urge to clean a bathroom, she can do just a little and
that's cool.
If I assign her (force her) to clean it, her options are to do a perfect job
and get no big thanks, or to do a crummier job and earn criticism. There's
not a winning situation for her, really.
If she's not forced and she does a great, full job, it's wonderful!
If she just cleans the mirror or the sink, it's still wonderful.
Sandra
and
respectful. >>
I had a same-age cousin who lived with us. She used to volunteer to do
housework sometimes--and big stuff, like mopping, or cleaning bathrooms. It
was (official decision of the other kids) STUPID to do that. She was sucking
up, at best.
If Holly gets the urge to clean a bathroom, she can do just a little and
that's cool.
If I assign her (force her) to clean it, her options are to do a perfect job
and get no big thanks, or to do a crummier job and earn criticism. There's
not a winning situation for her, really.
If she's not forced and she does a great, full job, it's wonderful!
If she just cleans the mirror or the sink, it's still wonderful.
Sandra
Pam Hartley
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responsibility. Clarify?
Pam
>From: [email protected]I'm not clear on why you keep saying what we're doing is ditching parental
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1606
>Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2001, 8:47 PM
>
> But dishes (mine, yours, anyone's) weren't the point! The point was simply
> that you CAN have chores and limits and STILL allow your children to learn
> and grow at their own pace. You can ditch the school system, but you don't
> have to ditch parental responsibility.
responsibility. Clarify?
Pam
Elsa Haas
Anybody have suggestions on non-scary cartoons (in video form) for our son
Tyler, who is two and a half? He much prefers cartoons to other videos. I
prefer videos to TV for him. (And I do try to keep his viewing time to about
an hour a day until very recently he didnt watch anywhere near that but
time limits are of course a different subject and one thats being discussed
in other threads.)
We have a family bed, so I sometimes know (because I hear the words he
says) what makes Tyler occasionally cry out in his sleep. A couple of times
it has been scary scenes from TV.
(Once, though, it was a scene from a seemingly inoffensive Frog and Toad
book I had read aloud to him. Tyler moaned, Hole, hole! in his sleep. The
next day he searched out the book and said, Hole!, and I had to find the
page with the part about the hole for him. The story was about Toad worrying
that, because Frog was late to his birthday party, he might have fallen into
a hole/been eaten by monsters/gotten lost/etc. Because these are just the
morbid imaginings of Toad, who tends to be a worrywart, it hadnt bothered
me, but of course Tyler saw the worrying bit and Toads going to get a rope
to rescue Frog, and was not equally impressed by the happy ending in which
Frog showed up, late to the party only because he had been wrapping Toads
gift.)
We like the George and Martha (hippos) videos so far. I guess Arthur videos
are okay, except that I dont like the way the kids sometimes tease each
other in a sing-songy, nah-nah-nah-nah tone (You cant go to camp! Were
going on vacation!), as if this were just the way kids are.
Im saying non-scary rather than non-violent because some might not
consider a cartoon in which sharks attack a boat with kids in it to be
violent (The Wild Thornberrys, on TV one Sunday - the kids got away
unharmed). I told my husband I dont really want Tyler seeing sharks
(crocodiles, etc.) attacking people, even if it is a supposedly
pro-environmental cartoon about an interesting (and apparently
homeschooling) family of world travelers. He said, Dont you think its a
good idea for him to learn that sharks can be dangerous?
I said, Later in life. Right now hes had only three or four real-life
experiences in lakes and at beaches, and I dont want him being afraid of
something that isnt even there. When we go somewhere where there are
crocodiles/sharks/etc., we should be the ones to worry about it, anyway.
I also told him about the nine-year-old city kids in the Fresh Air Fund
summer camp I used to work at who were afraid to go near the lake because of
Jason (some murderous undead thing that comes out of a lake in the movie
Friday the 13th, I was told). Doesnt seem fair to me to hit kids with this
before they have any substantial experience in nature to counteract it. He
saw my point.
We liked one Babar video, but then suddenly found ourselves watching another
one featuring a war, complete with the razing and burning of an elephant
village, the capturing of elephant slaves (who were then whipped), the mommy
elephant with a metal collar and ropes around her neck, fleeing baby
elephants, etc. My fault for not paying attention to the title or synopsis
on the video case, I suppose. Tyler started getting scared but didnt want
to turn it off. So I let him watch the whole darn thing to the end and then
tried to tell him it didnt really happen, that it was pretend and a story
someone made up. Dont think that works.
Later that day he cried during his sleep dont know whether it was because
of this video. I told him we werent going to watch it again because it was
too scary and I didnt like it. He cried but I put it out of his reach.
Later he seemed happy with George and Martha. Then I started wondering
whether, if you screw up and let a kid this age see something scary like
this a first time through, youve really got to let them watch it again and
again to process it. Dont know. Just want to avoid his seeing this sort
of stuff in the first place, as much as possible.
He seems to understand an awful lot about the world, but his grasp of what
pictures are supposed to stand for is still tenuous. The other day I was
reading him a book in which two boys are sitting on the floor with a big
picturebook in front of them, and he said, Book fall! I then realized that
there was blankness where the floor was supposed to be, and that it was only
from other clues that I could tell the book was actually resting on the
floor and not hanging in midair. This is why I really prefer books I have
more of a chance to answer his questions or concerns.
Elsa Haas
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Tyler, who is two and a half? He much prefers cartoons to other videos. I
prefer videos to TV for him. (And I do try to keep his viewing time to about
an hour a day until very recently he didnt watch anywhere near that but
time limits are of course a different subject and one thats being discussed
in other threads.)
We have a family bed, so I sometimes know (because I hear the words he
says) what makes Tyler occasionally cry out in his sleep. A couple of times
it has been scary scenes from TV.
(Once, though, it was a scene from a seemingly inoffensive Frog and Toad
book I had read aloud to him. Tyler moaned, Hole, hole! in his sleep. The
next day he searched out the book and said, Hole!, and I had to find the
page with the part about the hole for him. The story was about Toad worrying
that, because Frog was late to his birthday party, he might have fallen into
a hole/been eaten by monsters/gotten lost/etc. Because these are just the
morbid imaginings of Toad, who tends to be a worrywart, it hadnt bothered
me, but of course Tyler saw the worrying bit and Toads going to get a rope
to rescue Frog, and was not equally impressed by the happy ending in which
Frog showed up, late to the party only because he had been wrapping Toads
gift.)
We like the George and Martha (hippos) videos so far. I guess Arthur videos
are okay, except that I dont like the way the kids sometimes tease each
other in a sing-songy, nah-nah-nah-nah tone (You cant go to camp! Were
going on vacation!), as if this were just the way kids are.
Im saying non-scary rather than non-violent because some might not
consider a cartoon in which sharks attack a boat with kids in it to be
violent (The Wild Thornberrys, on TV one Sunday - the kids got away
unharmed). I told my husband I dont really want Tyler seeing sharks
(crocodiles, etc.) attacking people, even if it is a supposedly
pro-environmental cartoon about an interesting (and apparently
homeschooling) family of world travelers. He said, Dont you think its a
good idea for him to learn that sharks can be dangerous?
I said, Later in life. Right now hes had only three or four real-life
experiences in lakes and at beaches, and I dont want him being afraid of
something that isnt even there. When we go somewhere where there are
crocodiles/sharks/etc., we should be the ones to worry about it, anyway.
I also told him about the nine-year-old city kids in the Fresh Air Fund
summer camp I used to work at who were afraid to go near the lake because of
Jason (some murderous undead thing that comes out of a lake in the movie
Friday the 13th, I was told). Doesnt seem fair to me to hit kids with this
before they have any substantial experience in nature to counteract it. He
saw my point.
We liked one Babar video, but then suddenly found ourselves watching another
one featuring a war, complete with the razing and burning of an elephant
village, the capturing of elephant slaves (who were then whipped), the mommy
elephant with a metal collar and ropes around her neck, fleeing baby
elephants, etc. My fault for not paying attention to the title or synopsis
on the video case, I suppose. Tyler started getting scared but didnt want
to turn it off. So I let him watch the whole darn thing to the end and then
tried to tell him it didnt really happen, that it was pretend and a story
someone made up. Dont think that works.
Later that day he cried during his sleep dont know whether it was because
of this video. I told him we werent going to watch it again because it was
too scary and I didnt like it. He cried but I put it out of his reach.
Later he seemed happy with George and Martha. Then I started wondering
whether, if you screw up and let a kid this age see something scary like
this a first time through, youve really got to let them watch it again and
again to process it. Dont know. Just want to avoid his seeing this sort
of stuff in the first place, as much as possible.
He seems to understand an awful lot about the world, but his grasp of what
pictures are supposed to stand for is still tenuous. The other day I was
reading him a book in which two boys are sitting on the floor with a big
picturebook in front of them, and he said, Book fall! I then realized that
there was blankness where the floor was supposed to be, and that it was only
from other clues that I could tell the book was actually resting on the
floor and not hanging in midair. This is why I really prefer books I have
more of a chance to answer his questions or concerns.
Elsa Haas
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Fetteroll
on 11/21/01 3:15 AM, Elsa Haas at ElsaHaas@... wrote:
over and over at that age which is what she seemed to need.
http://www.screenit.com has very detailed reviews, describing instances by
category (bad attitude, jump scenes, smoking, sex/nudity, and so on) but
they do movies not kid videos.
Well, I'm sure others with sensitive kids will be more helpful!
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Anybody have suggestions on non-scary cartoons (in video form) for our sonDoes he ask to see new videos? My daughter pretty much watched the same ones
> Tyler, who is two and a half?
over and over at that age which is what she seemed to need.
http://www.screenit.com has very detailed reviews, describing instances by
category (bad attitude, jump scenes, smoking, sex/nudity, and so on) but
they do movies not kid videos.
Well, I'm sure others with sensitive kids will be more helpful!
Joyce
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kathy
Hi Elsa,
Elsa wrote-"--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Elsa Haas" <ElsaHaas@s...>
wrote:
or Noggin. They are popular with my preschooler, and have no
commercials during the program. Just piled up in between programs. If
you don't have those available, the library, or rental might have them.
We like
(from Nick Jr.)
1. Dora the Explorer- girl hero uses spanish and english, simple maps,
goes on mini qeusts to help solve problems with friends. Lots of
thinking, gentle puzzles, and viewer participation.
2. Blues Clues- Steve ("not the sharpest knife in the drawer") follows
clues left by his girl puppy Blue to find out what Blue wants to do
today. Also lots of thinking, gentle puzzles and viewer participation.
3. Little Bear- very imaginative simple tales of Little Bear and his
friends. Warm and fuzzy, yet not dull or syrupy.
There are others on Nick Jr. or Nogin that you might like.
On Disney Channel my kids like Rolie Polie Olie, PB&J Otter, and some
people like Bear in the Big Blue House.
(Not on cable/dish tv. probably only rent or library)-
1.Veggie Tales- Depending on your beliefs about religion and
indoctrination, you may or may not like this series. It is true to
itself as a Christian cartoon series. I am not Christian so I have
mixed feelings about the series. We enjoy the humor, the songs, and the
computer animation. Sometimes we will take what we like from it, and
leave the rest. Other times it annoys me with it's presentation of
religion as fact, or as the only reason for moral behavior. They talk
about the Christian God, sometimes in a story from the Christian Bible,
or just at the end as a quote from same. The lessons don't come across
heavy, but they can be something to talk about with themes of
forgiveness, thankfulness, generosity, etc., and discussions of your
own religious beliefs.
2. "There Goes a Truck", or a plane or space shuttle, etc. These aren't
cartoon, but my kid really likes them. They are videos of real trucks,
or whatever the topic is and have a variety of (to my 4y kid) "cool
stuff that you don't see everyday."
E-" I guess Arthur videos
at kids stuff, but alot of it is filled with rudeness presented as
"normal". I also hated the new baby episode that implies all babies
must have bottles, have horribly stinky diapers, and must sleep in a
cage in another room and scream all night. But that's seen as normal in
our society partly because of cartoons like this that reinforce it as
normal. I know it's not the fault of the cartoon, it's just annoying to
see the same old story. We did talk after the show about why people
think babies are that way, and how for many families, babies are not
like that. Breastfeeding, and sharing sleep, get rid of most of those
three problems.
Whew, got carried away. Back to the suject.
E-" This is why I really prefer books I have
handy because you can have that same kind of chance. It also gives you
the chance to explore the story with him. You can ask him questions
about the material like "Why do you think this character acted that
way?", "How did that character feel when...?", or "What do you think
the character could have done instead?"
Hope that might help a little.
Kathy B.
Elsa wrote-"--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Elsa Haas" <ElsaHaas@s...>
wrote:
> Anybody have suggestions on non-scary cartoons (in video form) for our so=n
> Tyler, who is two and a half?"K- I'll list a few of our favorites. We usually watch them on Nick Jr.,
or Noggin. They are popular with my preschooler, and have no
commercials during the program. Just piled up in between programs. If
you don't have those available, the library, or rental might have them.
We like
(from Nick Jr.)
1. Dora the Explorer- girl hero uses spanish and english, simple maps,
goes on mini qeusts to help solve problems with friends. Lots of
thinking, gentle puzzles, and viewer participation.
2. Blues Clues- Steve ("not the sharpest knife in the drawer") follows
clues left by his girl puppy Blue to find out what Blue wants to do
today. Also lots of thinking, gentle puzzles and viewer participation.
3. Little Bear- very imaginative simple tales of Little Bear and his
friends. Warm and fuzzy, yet not dull or syrupy.
There are others on Nick Jr. or Nogin that you might like.
On Disney Channel my kids like Rolie Polie Olie, PB&J Otter, and some
people like Bear in the Big Blue House.
(Not on cable/dish tv. probably only rent or library)-
1.Veggie Tales- Depending on your beliefs about religion and
indoctrination, you may or may not like this series. It is true to
itself as a Christian cartoon series. I am not Christian so I have
mixed feelings about the series. We enjoy the humor, the songs, and the
computer animation. Sometimes we will take what we like from it, and
leave the rest. Other times it annoys me with it's presentation of
religion as fact, or as the only reason for moral behavior. They talk
about the Christian God, sometimes in a story from the Christian Bible,
or just at the end as a quote from same. The lessons don't come across
heavy, but they can be something to talk about with themes of
forgiveness, thankfulness, generosity, etc., and discussions of your
own religious beliefs.
2. "There Goes a Truck", or a plane or space shuttle, etc. These aren't
cartoon, but my kid really likes them. They are videos of real trucks,
or whatever the topic is and have a variety of (to my 4y kid) "cool
stuff that you don't see everyday."
E-" I guess Arthur videos
> are okay, except that I don't like the way the kids sometimes tease eachBoy do I know what you mean there. I liked some Arthur, and other aimed
> other in a sing-songy, nah-nah-nah-nah tone (You can't go to camp! We're
> going on vacation!), as if this were just "the way kids are.""
at kids stuff, but alot of it is filled with rudeness presented as
"normal". I also hated the new baby episode that implies all babies
must have bottles, have horribly stinky diapers, and must sleep in a
cage in another room and scream all night. But that's seen as normal in
our society partly because of cartoons like this that reinforce it as
normal. I know it's not the fault of the cartoon, it's just annoying to
see the same old story. We did talk after the show about why people
think babies are that way, and how for many families, babies are not
like that. Breastfeeding, and sharing sleep, get rid of most of those
three problems.
Whew, got carried away. Back to the suject.
E-" This is why I really prefer books I have
> more of a chance to answer his questions or concerns.I really agree. Being there when they watch something new can also be
>
> Elsa Haas"
handy because you can have that same kind of chance. It also gives you
the chance to explore the story with him. You can ask him questions
about the material like "Why do you think this character acted that
way?", "How did that character feel when...?", or "What do you think
the character could have done instead?"
Hope that might help a little.
Kathy B.
Paul Bogush
My dd is 3 1/2 and is VERY sensitive....she cries during Charlotte's Web
when the farmers wife whisks the pig out of the house with a broom. She saw
Beauty and the Beast at a friend's house and remains afraid of the Beast.
She seems to have a grasp on real v. imaginary, but that doesn't mean she
likes to watch the imaginary....
DD has liked the Little Bear videos....nicely paced...but we haven't watched
very many of them, so I don't know how they all are. She's on a BIG Land
Before Time kick....everyday. So far we've seen three different ones. We
are avoiding the first one, I've been told the mother dies in that one....my
son died just three and half months ago, so we'll skip that one for a long
time. We have been liking them. I'm not sure they are accurate in their
representation of dinosaurs time-wise....and the meat eaters always end up
looking like 'bad' guys. Some parts are a little scary...earth shakes,
sharp-teeth attacks...but DD is rather sensitive and she's been OK with
these scenes....she watched them all at least once from our laps...now she
watches them on her own, but will go behind a chair for the scary parts and
watch from there. I hesitate to recommend stuff to other people...it's so
individual, but these are the current big hit in our house. Past hits have
included Blues Clues, Madeliene in Cooking School and the first Madeliene
(AVOID Madeliene in Paris!!!!! Horrible! She's kidnapped and put into
forced labor! I was HORRIFIED and DD was TERRIFIED...so we have had a
situation similar to yours Elsa). Richard Scarry was an everyday request
for a long time. As were many of the Barney videos...ugh, those songs were
in my head for months!
Aimee
when the farmers wife whisks the pig out of the house with a broom. She saw
Beauty and the Beast at a friend's house and remains afraid of the Beast.
She seems to have a grasp on real v. imaginary, but that doesn't mean she
likes to watch the imaginary....
DD has liked the Little Bear videos....nicely paced...but we haven't watched
very many of them, so I don't know how they all are. She's on a BIG Land
Before Time kick....everyday. So far we've seen three different ones. We
are avoiding the first one, I've been told the mother dies in that one....my
son died just three and half months ago, so we'll skip that one for a long
time. We have been liking them. I'm not sure they are accurate in their
representation of dinosaurs time-wise....and the meat eaters always end up
looking like 'bad' guys. Some parts are a little scary...earth shakes,
sharp-teeth attacks...but DD is rather sensitive and she's been OK with
these scenes....she watched them all at least once from our laps...now she
watches them on her own, but will go behind a chair for the scary parts and
watch from there. I hesitate to recommend stuff to other people...it's so
individual, but these are the current big hit in our house. Past hits have
included Blues Clues, Madeliene in Cooking School and the first Madeliene
(AVOID Madeliene in Paris!!!!! Horrible! She's kidnapped and put into
forced labor! I was HORRIFIED and DD was TERRIFIED...so we have had a
situation similar to yours Elsa). Richard Scarry was an everyday request
for a long time. As were many of the Barney videos...ugh, those songs were
in my head for months!
Aimee
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Non-scary cartoons?
> on 11/21/01 3:15 AM, Elsa Haas at ElsaHaas@... wrote:
>
> > Anybody have suggestions on non-scary cartoons (in video form) for our
son
> > Tyler, who is two and a half?
>
> Does he ask to see new videos? My daughter pretty much watched the same
ones
> over and over at that age which is what she seemed to need.
>
> http://www.screenit.com has very detailed reviews, describing instances by
> category (bad attitude, jump scenes, smoking, sex/nudity, and so on) but
> they do movies not kid videos.
>
> Well, I'm sure others with sensitive kids will be more helpful!
>
> Joyce
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<<You can ditch the school system, but you don't have to ditch parental
responsibility.>>
I think the other viewpoint is that requiring chores is not ditching
parental responsibility, it is a different way of being responsible.
Elissa
responsibility.>>
I think the other viewpoint is that requiring chores is not ditching
parental responsibility, it is a different way of being responsible.
Elissa
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<< Then I started wondering
whether, if you screw up and let a kid this age see something scary like
this a first time through, you’ve really got to let them watch it again and
again to “process” it. >>
I would sit and watch it with him and do a commentary.
When my kids were that age they really liked Disney Singalong videos, and
there are two Raffi videos. Maybe he would like musical stuff? There's also
a Land Before Time singalong (so you get the dinosaurs without the
obligatory-per-movie chase scene with Cera screaming her head off, which I
hate and which scares babies).
Kirby was afraid of the Pirates of the Caribbean, on the video. He was
scooting so far back up on a big upholstered chair once he was perched up on
the back of it with no further back to scoot. He couldn't take his eyes off
the show, but the song and music and faces were scaring him. After that I
told him if anything scary came on to call me. He would, and I'd either
sit and talk through it (which breaks the spell of the soundtrack) or I'd
fast-forward if he'd rather.
Muppets (Follow that Bird is one of my favorites, but it's sad, and somewhat
slow and deep for little kids; Muppets Take Manhattan is easier and quicker),
Sesame Street videos.
Animaniacs Singalongs, Muppet Singaongs.
Movies? There are kid-friendly movies.
Sandra
Sandra
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whether, if you screw up and let a kid this age see something scary like
this a first time through, you’ve really got to let them watch it again and
again to “process” it. >>
I would sit and watch it with him and do a commentary.
When my kids were that age they really liked Disney Singalong videos, and
there are two Raffi videos. Maybe he would like musical stuff? There's also
a Land Before Time singalong (so you get the dinosaurs without the
obligatory-per-movie chase scene with Cera screaming her head off, which I
hate and which scares babies).
Kirby was afraid of the Pirates of the Caribbean, on the video. He was
scooting so far back up on a big upholstered chair once he was perched up on
the back of it with no further back to scoot. He couldn't take his eyes off
the show, but the song and music and faces were scaring him. After that I
told him if anything scary came on to call me. He would, and I'd either
sit and talk through it (which breaks the spell of the soundtrack) or I'd
fast-forward if he'd rather.
Muppets (Follow that Bird is one of my favorites, but it's sad, and somewhat
slow and deep for little kids; Muppets Take Manhattan is easier and quicker),
Sesame Street videos.
Animaniacs Singalongs, Muppet Singaongs.
Movies? There are kid-friendly movies.
Sandra
Sandra
"Everything counts."
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In a message dated 11/21/01 12:18:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ElsaHaas@... writes:
<< Anybody have suggestions on non-scary cartoons (in video form) for our son
Tyler, who is two and a half? >>
Barney is pretty sweet. Veggies Tales although some might be scary check
first (Christian content).
Kathy
ElsaHaas@... writes:
<< Anybody have suggestions on non-scary cartoons (in video form) for our son
Tyler, who is two and a half? >>
Barney is pretty sweet. Veggies Tales although some might be scary check
first (Christian content).
Kathy
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Pam Hartley <pamhartley@m...> wrote:
She seemed to be saying that what you (plural) were saying sounded
like it was advocating a total lack of parental responsibility. I
was trying to say before . . . that a newcomer, not familiar with
the language here or the concept could see things that way whether it
is your (plural) intent or not.
Bridget
>parental
> I'm not clear on why you keep saying what we're doing is ditching
> responsibility. Clarify?First, I didn't read her as saying that it was what you were DOING.
>
> Pam
She seemed to be saying that what you (plural) were saying sounded
like it was advocating a total lack of parental responsibility. I
was trying to say before . . . that a newcomer, not familiar with
the language here or the concept could see things that way whether it
is your (plural) intent or not.
Bridget
A. Scott
SPOT the dog!
Amy Scott
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Tanya Barrera
Mine liked all of the Winnie the Pooh videos. Disney also makes Spot videos. My 4 year old , who just turned 4 yesterday ,still watches them sometimes.
Tanya B.
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Tanya B.
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Samantha Stopple
The Snowman
The Bear
Both based on books by Raymond Briggs. Wonderfull
music and animation.
Linnea in Monets Garden.
Kipper the Dog
Samantha
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The Bear
Both based on books by Raymond Briggs. Wonderfull
music and animation.
Linnea in Monets Garden.
Kipper the Dog
Samantha
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~~~The Snowman
~~~The Bear
The snowman - that reminds me of one my younger son was
crazy for at 1, 2, and 3. It's called Father Christmas, and
it's fun for adults too - very sweet.
Amy
~~~The Bear
The snowman - that reminds me of one my younger son was
crazy for at 1, 2, and 3. It's called Father Christmas, and
it's fun for adults too - very sweet.
Amy
meghan anderson
<<The Snowman
The Bear
Both based on books by Raymond Briggs. Wonderfull
music and animation.
Linnea in Monets Garden.
Kipper the Dog
Samantha>>
These are all great! This made me LOL! My dd was
scared of the bit in The Snowman where they're at the
party and the balloons pop! There is no sound of the
popping (just lovely music), but she was so terrified
of popping balloons when she was little (still is a
bit nervous about them) that we had to forward over
that bit!
Meghan
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The Bear
Both based on books by Raymond Briggs. Wonderfull
music and animation.
Linnea in Monets Garden.
Kipper the Dog
Samantha>>
These are all great! This made me LOL! My dd was
scared of the bit in The Snowman where they're at the
party and the balloons pop! There is no sound of the
popping (just lovely music), but she was so terrified
of popping balloons when she was little (still is a
bit nervous about them) that we had to forward over
that bit!
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In a message dated 10/23/02 10:42:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Probably just want to see the world from your point of view...hehee.
Mine's been on counters too. I used to put my eldest in one basin while I
washed the dishes in the other one. That was the only way I could get the
dishes done. >>
Aaaah, these are some of my sweetest memories of Jalen thus far.
The things I'd miss out on if I had a dishwasher!!! He is often found nekkid
in the "rinse" side of the sink while I wash.
It's a great way to make chores fun.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< Probably just want to see the world from your point of view...hehee.
Mine's been on counters too. I used to put my eldest in one basin while I
washed the dishes in the other one. That was the only way I could get the
dishes done. >>
Aaaah, these are some of my sweetest memories of Jalen thus far.
The things I'd miss out on if I had a dishwasher!!! He is often found nekkid
in the "rinse" side of the sink while I wash.
It's a great way to make chores fun.
Ren
Pam Hartley
----------
in the sensation of warm soapy water.
Oh. Maybe that's just me. <g>
If none of the kids are interested in being Chief BottleWasher, as it were,
and your husband isn't either, and you really, really hate doing it, too,
then you might consider hiring someone. Or bartering with someone. Or buy a
lot of paper plates and plastic ware. Or get a big dog to prewash
everything. :)
If you don't really hate doing them but hate the idea of being the only one
who does, I'd work more on your attitude (if it was mine) and worry less
over the Moral Impropriety of a child not doing any dishes. :)
If you only hate doing them sometimes, you could say so and ask for help at
those times. "Hey, family, I can't face these horrible dishes today. Will
someone PLEASE do them for me?"
Just like unschooling doesn't irrevocably lead to children who suddenly one
day spring off the couch and leap for a Calculus book, unchoring doesn't
irrevocably lead to a child version of Martha Stewart (hopefully sans the
racketeering charges, of course).
What these things do lead to is respect and kindness between family members,
and where there's respect and kindness, helpfulness in one form or other
often follows.
Pam
>From: [email protected]The dishes. :) Seriously, just wash them and look out the window and revel
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2914
>Date: Thu, Jan 23, 2003, 3:16 PM
>
> What to do?
in the sensation of warm soapy water.
Oh. Maybe that's just me. <g>
If none of the kids are interested in being Chief BottleWasher, as it were,
and your husband isn't either, and you really, really hate doing it, too,
then you might consider hiring someone. Or bartering with someone. Or buy a
lot of paper plates and plastic ware. Or get a big dog to prewash
everything. :)
If you don't really hate doing them but hate the idea of being the only one
who does, I'd work more on your attitude (if it was mine) and worry less
over the Moral Impropriety of a child not doing any dishes. :)
If you only hate doing them sometimes, you could say so and ask for help at
those times. "Hey, family, I can't face these horrible dishes today. Will
someone PLEASE do them for me?"
Just like unschooling doesn't irrevocably lead to children who suddenly one
day spring off the couch and leap for a Calculus book, unchoring doesn't
irrevocably lead to a child version of Martha Stewart (hopefully sans the
racketeering charges, of course).
What these things do lead to is respect and kindness between family members,
and where there's respect and kindness, helpfulness in one form or other
often follows.
Pam
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/23/2003 6:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamhartley@... writes:
mind folding clothes, but I hate to put them away. The boys (my husband's
included in "my boys") know that and sweetly DO it. They know how much I hate
it.
I'm thrilled to do the things THEY hate. It's a matter of kindness. And
generosity.
~Kelly
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pamhartley@... writes:
> If you only hate doing them sometimes, you could say so and ask for help atI HATE taking the dishes out of the dishwasher and putting them away. I don't
> those times. "Hey, family, I can't face these horrible dishes today. Will
> someone PLEASE do them for me?"
mind folding clothes, but I hate to put them away. The boys (my husband's
included in "my boys") know that and sweetly DO it. They know how much I hate
it.
I'm thrilled to do the things THEY hate. It's a matter of kindness. And
generosity.
~Kelly
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/23/2003 5:37:58 PM Central Standard Time,
pamhartley@... writes:
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
pamhartley@... writes:
> >What to do?And then you thought of another idea>> My thoughts: Get out your sears charge
>
>
> The dishes. :) Seriously, just wash them and look out the window and revel
> in the sensation of warm soapy water.
>
> card, run to the mall, and by aAnother one of my daydreams : )
> dishwasher pay them to install it.
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Jim Selvage
Pam,
Your ideas are great, and I have used most of them, and have mostly just
done the dishes myself. But you see, it is not exactly just doing the
dishes. It is finding the dishes whereever they have been laid down, taking
them to the kitchen, and then doing them.
My real desire, of course, would be for the kids (and husband if we are
being honest here), to take the dishes to the kitchen and put them in the
dishwasher. It is especially bad when part of the family is home, and I am
off driving to various activities.
Example: Yesterday my daughter had play practice (45 minute drive each
way) and we had to return videos, library books, take clothes to thrift
store, etc. We got home at 5:00, and needed to leave at 5:30 to go to
AWANA, another 35 minute drive each way in the other direction. (We live in
the middle of nowhere).
The point here is, I am tired at this time! And I walk into a hourse with
dirty dishes everywhere, food left out, wrappers, etc. on the counter. This
all done by the two which were home (husband and son).
My desire would to be to come home to a house where someone has realized I
have been running all day and would have taken the responsibility to clean
up after themselves. My question is, how do I get there without making it a
requirement? I really don't want to make it a requirement. I want them to
see that they are leaving a mess and want to clean it up, or at least clean
some of it up because they know it bothers me, or something.
What I did do was the dishes. And I don't know if that is the problem.
They expect that I will come home and do them. They expect that I will come
home and do them without complaining about it, etc.
-----
Your ideas are great, and I have used most of them, and have mostly just
done the dishes myself. But you see, it is not exactly just doing the
dishes. It is finding the dishes whereever they have been laid down, taking
them to the kitchen, and then doing them.
My real desire, of course, would be for the kids (and husband if we are
being honest here), to take the dishes to the kitchen and put them in the
dishwasher. It is especially bad when part of the family is home, and I am
off driving to various activities.
Example: Yesterday my daughter had play practice (45 minute drive each
way) and we had to return videos, library books, take clothes to thrift
store, etc. We got home at 5:00, and needed to leave at 5:30 to go to
AWANA, another 35 minute drive each way in the other direction. (We live in
the middle of nowhere).
The point here is, I am tired at this time! And I walk into a hourse with
dirty dishes everywhere, food left out, wrappers, etc. on the counter. This
all done by the two which were home (husband and son).
My desire would to be to come home to a house where someone has realized I
have been running all day and would have taken the responsibility to clean
up after themselves. My question is, how do I get there without making it a
requirement? I really don't want to make it a requirement. I want them to
see that they are leaving a mess and want to clean it up, or at least clean
some of it up because they know it bothers me, or something.
What I did do was the dishes. And I don't know if that is the problem.
They expect that I will come home and do them. They expect that I will come
home and do them without complaining about it, etc.
-----
>were,
> > What to do?
>
>
> The dishes. :) Seriously, just wash them and look out the window and revel
> in the sensation of warm soapy water.
>
> Oh. Maybe that's just me. <g>
>
> If none of the kids are interested in being Chief BottleWasher, as it
> and your husband isn't either, and you really, really hate doing it, too,a
> then you might consider hiring someone. Or bartering with someone. Or buy
> lot of paper plates and plastic ware. Or get a big dog to prewashone
> everything. :)
>
> If you don't really hate doing them but hate the idea of being the only
> who does, I'd work more on your attitude (if it was mine) and worry lessat
> over the Moral Impropriety of a child not doing any dishes. :)
>
> If you only hate doing them sometimes, you could say so and ask for help
> those times. "Hey, family, I can't face these horrible dishes today. Willone
> someone PLEASE do them for me?"
>
> Just like unschooling doesn't irrevocably lead to children who suddenly
> day spring off the couch and leap for a Calculus book, unchoring doesn'tmembers,
> irrevocably lead to a child version of Martha Stewart (hopefully sans the
> racketeering charges, of course).
>
> What these things do lead to is respect and kindness between family
> and where there's respect and kindness, helpfulness in one form or other
> often follows.
>
> Pam
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/23/03 6:47:31 PM, jselvage@... writes:
<< My desire would to be to come home to a house where someone has realized I
have been running all day and would have taken the responsibility to clean
up after themselves. My question is, how do I get there without making it a
requirement? I really don't want to make it a requirement. I want them to
see that they are leaving a mess and want to clean it up, or at least clean
some of it up because they know it bothers me, or something. >>
Ask them if they could clean up the kitchen while you're gone.
You're still the one who wants it done. You're asking them to do something
you want done.
Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities. But I bet they'd say
"okay" if you asked.
Sandra
<< My desire would to be to come home to a house where someone has realized I
have been running all day and would have taken the responsibility to clean
up after themselves. My question is, how do I get there without making it a
requirement? I really don't want to make it a requirement. I want them to
see that they are leaving a mess and want to clean it up, or at least clean
some of it up because they know it bothers me, or something. >>
Ask them if they could clean up the kitchen while you're gone.
You're still the one who wants it done. You're asking them to do something
you want done.
Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities. But I bet they'd say
"okay" if you asked.
Sandra
Jim Selvage
Okay, I ask, they always say sure, but I don't think they have ever actually
done it.
(I am not trying to be difficult, even though it sounds like it : - )
erin
done it.
(I am not trying to be difficult, even though it sounds like it : - )
erin
> Ask them if they could clean up the kitchen while you're gone.something
>
> You're still the one who wants it done. You're asking them to do
> you want done.say
> Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities. But I bet they'd
> "okay" if you asked.
>
>
> Sandra