Re:Dog Training
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In a message dated 11/18/2001 9:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
daughter is training her dog right now, and she also works at a dog training
place. There is no deprivation of food at all. Seems its used either as a
snack or sometimes I have seen her training Zoe at night with a lot of food
and then she doesnt feed her supper. Sometimes she just uses her actual food
instead of treats. . . it works really well. Zoe is amazing at 6 months. . .
still a puppy but has never chewed anything up in our home.
lovemary
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[email protected] writes:
> . For food rewards to work as a motivator, theWell, this is not my experience of how animal training works at all. My
> animal has to be deprived of food enough to want it badly.
>
>
daughter is training her dog right now, and she also works at a dog training
place. There is no deprivation of food at all. Seems its used either as a
snack or sometimes I have seen her training Zoe at night with a lot of food
and then she doesnt feed her supper. Sometimes she just uses her actual food
instead of treats. . . it works really well. Zoe is amazing at 6 months. . .
still a puppy but has never chewed anything up in our home.
lovemary
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In a message dated 11/19/01 5:15:27 AM, lite2yu@... writes:
<< > . For food rewards to work as a motivator, the
We have about the smartest, most cooperative dog I've ever met and she can
have all the catfood she can steal. But we've never used food rewards for
behavior, just positive voice.
When we trained rats in college, they needed to do the bar-pressing tricks
because that was the food they were getting. I'm thinking maybe that's what
was meant by the comment above.
And long ago (1970's) a woman in our town was starving Dobermans to teach
them to be mean, but she left home for two days and they broke loose and
attacked (didn't kill, just chewed off a bit and then were burying) a little
boy who was 7 or 8 or so. So it's not unheard of. Not smart (neither in her
case nor in my mother-in-law's), but not fantasy either.
Sandra
Sandra
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<< > . For food rewards to work as a motivator, the
> animal has to be deprived of food enough to want it badly.-=-Well, this is not my experience of how animal training works at all. >>
>
>
We have about the smartest, most cooperative dog I've ever met and she can
have all the catfood she can steal. But we've never used food rewards for
behavior, just positive voice.
When we trained rats in college, they needed to do the bar-pressing tricks
because that was the food they were getting. I'm thinking maybe that's what
was meant by the comment above.
And long ago (1970's) a woman in our town was starving Dobermans to teach
them to be mean, but she left home for two days and they broke loose and
attacked (didn't kill, just chewed off a bit and then were burying) a little
boy who was 7 or 8 or so. So it's not unheard of. Not smart (neither in her
case nor in my mother-in-law's), but not fantasy either.
Sandra
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
Lynda
The vast majority of dog trainers and kennels don't deprive dogs of anything
to get them motivated or trained! The few bad apples out there, the puppy
mills, etc. might but they don't get far with it.
We had a kennel and the cooked liver, bacon or cracklings were a treat that
we took to the dog shows with us. We didn't use it all the time for
training and it wasn't needed. Just plain old hugs, scratches behind the
ears and "whatta good boy/girl you are" was all that was needed for most of
the four legged kids. Lots of socialization and free playtime as puppies
made for smart, emotionally well-balanced companions when they grew up.
And lots of them were indeed individuals. One Kees bitch preferred the ice
cubes out of our drinks to the liver. Go figure <g>
Lynda
to get them motivated or trained! The few bad apples out there, the puppy
mills, etc. might but they don't get far with it.
We had a kennel and the cooked liver, bacon or cracklings were a treat that
we took to the dog shows with us. We didn't use it all the time for
training and it wasn't needed. Just plain old hugs, scratches behind the
ears and "whatta good boy/girl you are" was all that was needed for most of
the four legged kids. Lots of socialization and free playtime as puppies
made for smart, emotionally well-balanced companions when they grew up.
And lots of them were indeed individuals. One Kees bitch preferred the ice
cubes out of our drinks to the liver. Go figure <g>
Lynda
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From: <lite2yu@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:14 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Dog Training
> In a message dated 11/18/2001 9:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > . For food rewards to work as a motivator, the
> > animal has to be deprived of food enough to want it badly.
> >
> >
>
> Well, this is not my experience of how animal training works at all. My
> daughter is training her dog right now, and she also works at a dog
training
> place. There is no deprivation of food at all. Seems its used either as a
> snack or sometimes I have seen her training Zoe at night with a lot of
food
> and then she doesnt feed her supper. Sometimes she just uses her actual
food
> instead of treats. . . it works really well. Zoe is amazing at 6 months. .
.
> still a puppy but has never chewed anything up in our home.
>
> lovemary
>
>
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Lelia says they use the food to begin with along with LOTS of praise. . .
constant praise and petting,etc. But the foos helps with training for things
that are a bit more difficult. . . they use the food, then will back off of
that gradually. This is what she is interested in doing with her life, and
she has studied it extensively. . . I am constantly amazed at how much
knowledge she has amassed in such a short time.
lovemary
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constant praise and petting,etc. But the foos helps with training for things
that are a bit more difficult. . . they use the food, then will back off of
that gradually. This is what she is interested in doing with her life, and
she has studied it extensively. . . I am constantly amazed at how much
knowledge she has amassed in such a short time.
lovemary
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