Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1594
Joseph Fuerst
Lynda:
Just wanted to say "thanks". You have provided much more helpful and
in-depth information than I knew....and I knew some. To me, this
represents how good this list CAN be!
Susan
Lynda wrote:
Peanut and NSAID allergies are a bit different than most allergies. Perhaps
folks would better understand these things if they thought of them as being
in three categories: 1) Sensitive to; 2) Allergic to; and 3) Severely
allergic to.
Most food "allergies" are really sensitivities to foods. One can live with
it and not really do too much to change one's environment.
Category 2's must make changes and frequently must have epi-pens.
Category 3s are immediately life threatening and the epi-pens only give you
a reprieve, hopefully long enough to get to a hospital.
If someone is a Category 3 reactor, then you are presented with numerous
other problems the most important of which is the fact that you can't always
know that you have been exposed until it can be too late.
With a bee string, for example, you generally know if you have been stung.
So your brain processes "sting" and then one goes for the epi-pen.
If you don't know you have somehow ingested peanuts or NSAIDs, then you
don't have that window of opportunity to use that epi-pen when it is most
effective.
Say you take your child to a park, the child runs around playing, climbs on
a table where another child has been that ate a peanut butter sandwich. You
could be 25 yards away when your child suddenly drops to the ground and by
the time you get to the child it might be too late.
I realise that Category 3s are, thankfully, relatively rare but they are a
fact of life.
The only positive about the allergy and living in the US is that companies
must now clearly label their products if there is any chance peanuts might
be in the product OR if they use the same equipment to make something with
peanuts. In other countries they mix up their oils and nothing is labeled.
Also, most folks aren't aware of just how many things peanuts/peanut
oils/peanut fibers are in. Here's a short list: shampoo, face cream, hand
lotion, baby massage cream, cooking oil, vegetable oil, salad oil, medicine,
goiter treatment, laxatives, axel grease, hand cleaners (like mechanics
use), laundry soap, wood filler, insecticide, insulated boards, Kraft
paper, glue, plastics, and the list goes on.
As to moving where there aren't peanuts, well that leaves nowhere on earth.
Peanuts are a legume and they grow like a weed in almost any climate. They
have been exported to all countries and now play a part in the cooking of
almost every ethnic group. And, as you can see from the very short list
above, one simply can't escape the presence of the lowly peanut.
Lynda
Just wanted to say "thanks". You have provided much more helpful and
in-depth information than I knew....and I knew some. To me, this
represents how good this list CAN be!
Susan
Lynda wrote:
Peanut and NSAID allergies are a bit different than most allergies. Perhaps
folks would better understand these things if they thought of them as being
in three categories: 1) Sensitive to; 2) Allergic to; and 3) Severely
allergic to.
Most food "allergies" are really sensitivities to foods. One can live with
it and not really do too much to change one's environment.
Category 2's must make changes and frequently must have epi-pens.
Category 3s are immediately life threatening and the epi-pens only give you
a reprieve, hopefully long enough to get to a hospital.
If someone is a Category 3 reactor, then you are presented with numerous
other problems the most important of which is the fact that you can't always
know that you have been exposed until it can be too late.
With a bee string, for example, you generally know if you have been stung.
So your brain processes "sting" and then one goes for the epi-pen.
If you don't know you have somehow ingested peanuts or NSAIDs, then you
don't have that window of opportunity to use that epi-pen when it is most
effective.
Say you take your child to a park, the child runs around playing, climbs on
a table where another child has been that ate a peanut butter sandwich. You
could be 25 yards away when your child suddenly drops to the ground and by
the time you get to the child it might be too late.
I realise that Category 3s are, thankfully, relatively rare but they are a
fact of life.
The only positive about the allergy and living in the US is that companies
must now clearly label their products if there is any chance peanuts might
be in the product OR if they use the same equipment to make something with
peanuts. In other countries they mix up their oils and nothing is labeled.
Also, most folks aren't aware of just how many things peanuts/peanut
oils/peanut fibers are in. Here's a short list: shampoo, face cream, hand
lotion, baby massage cream, cooking oil, vegetable oil, salad oil, medicine,
goiter treatment, laxatives, axel grease, hand cleaners (like mechanics
use), laundry soap, wood filler, insecticide, insulated boards, Kraft
paper, glue, plastics, and the list goes on.
As to moving where there aren't peanuts, well that leaves nowhere on earth.
Peanuts are a legume and they grow like a weed in almost any climate. They
have been exported to all countries and now play a part in the cooking of
almost every ethnic group. And, as you can see from the very short list
above, one simply can't escape the presence of the lowly peanut.
Lynda
Julie Stauffer
<<not dairy enough>>
Have you tried goat milk? I know it can be expensive from the store, but
goats are actually very easy to keep.
Julie
Have you tried goat milk? I know it can be expensive from the store, but
goats are actually very easy to keep.
Julie
Julie Stauffer
<<quite willing to lie about the food our daughter eats>>
Oh yuck. Then hypothetically :), I would have to say these "friends"
would not be in a situation to be responsible for my daughter again.
Again hypothetically, isn't a 7yo old enough to monitor the ingredients of
their own food? My youngest had serious allergies beginning as a newborn,
side of face swelling up, skin sloughing off, etc.. We were able to narrow
it down to insect bites, milk and soy. We discussed the situation with the
kids and we all agreed to stop bringing food with those ingredients into the
house. Even my 5yo, who at 8yo still struggles to read, would scour the
ingredient lists for M-I-L-K or S-O-Y. He would readily put things he liked
back on the shelf because he was concerned about his sister's safety.
Wouldn't this hypothetical child be interested in avoiding life threatening
situations for herself?
Same son, now 8yo, voluntarily avoids chocolate because he feels it upsets
his stomach. He made the connection completely on his own.
Julie
Oh yuck. Then hypothetically :), I would have to say these "friends"
would not be in a situation to be responsible for my daughter again.
Again hypothetically, isn't a 7yo old enough to monitor the ingredients of
their own food? My youngest had serious allergies beginning as a newborn,
side of face swelling up, skin sloughing off, etc.. We were able to narrow
it down to insect bites, milk and soy. We discussed the situation with the
kids and we all agreed to stop bringing food with those ingredients into the
house. Even my 5yo, who at 8yo still struggles to read, would scour the
ingredient lists for M-I-L-K or S-O-Y. He would readily put things he liked
back on the shelf because he was concerned about his sister's safety.
Wouldn't this hypothetical child be interested in avoiding life threatening
situations for herself?
Same son, now 8yo, voluntarily avoids chocolate because he feels it upsets
his stomach. He made the connection completely on his own.
Julie
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/17/01 11:40:57 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Theophylin and an inhaler for attacks and meds for hayfever. I used to shake
so terribly from the Theo
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[email protected] writes:
> How can you possibly know that your son doesn't have asthma just because youI am an asthmatic and wasn't diag. till I was 8. I was then put on
> didn't want him to? I didn't think that my son would have asthma (the
> eczema mostly comes from his dad's side), didn't give him the medication he
> was prescribed at 6 months because I had been warned by a nurse that given
> ventilin causes the lungs to depend on ventilin.
Theophylin and an inhaler for attacks and meds for hayfever. I used to shake
so terribly from the Theo
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[email protected]
I also am asthmatic and I LOVE my ventolin.
Hmm.. I must be addicted. <beg>
Elissa
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From: RValvo7626@... <RValvo7626@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1594
Hmm.. I must be addicted. <beg>
Elissa
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From: RValvo7626@... <RValvo7626@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1594
>In a message dated 11/17/01 11:40:57 PM Mountain Standard Time,you
>[email protected] writes:
>
>
>> How can you possibly know that your son doesn't have asthma just because
>> didn't want him to? I didn't think that my son would have asthma (thehe
>> eczema mostly comes from his dad's side), didn't give him the medication
>> was prescribed at 6 months because I had been warned by a nurse thatgiven
>> ventilin causes the lungs to depend on ventilin.shake
>
>
> I am an asthmatic and wasn't diag. till I was 8. I was then put on
>Theophylin and an inhaler for attacks and meds for hayfever. I used to
>so terribly from the Theo
>
>
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Kathy
I know what you mean about the shaking. I was diagnosed finally at 11y
after my pediatrician refused to see me any more until my mom took me
to the allergist for asthma management. She was in denial about it.
Can't blame her, asthma still seems so mysterious, and I've had it for
26 years. As a kid I was in and out of the ER until we gave the cat to
a friend, and changed all the carpets. Very sad. I also couldn't raise
puppies for Guide Dogs for the Blind anymore. At least the one puppy I
did raise graduated and worked with a person who needed him in Modesto.
Anyway, I know you are all waiting for this. Here it is. I found out
after being on stronger and stronger meds for 24/7 and the occasional
bout with prednisone (yucch) for 25 years, that (ta da) it was mostly
from a milk allergy! Ha. That's nuts. I loved milk! I drank 3 or 4
glasses a day! Cereal, ice cream, and pizza were my favorite foods! Of
course everybody is different, and asthma is complex and mysterious.
Just for me it felt like sprouting wings when I weaned myself of the
meds. I am free now. Except that I still try, once in a while, to eat
pizza, or some goofy thing and pay for it later.
There it is. That's all. Short and sweet.
Kathy B.
after my pediatrician refused to see me any more until my mom took me
to the allergist for asthma management. She was in denial about it.
Can't blame her, asthma still seems so mysterious, and I've had it for
26 years. As a kid I was in and out of the ER until we gave the cat to
a friend, and changed all the carpets. Very sad. I also couldn't raise
puppies for Guide Dogs for the Blind anymore. At least the one puppy I
did raise graduated and worked with a person who needed him in Modesto.
Anyway, I know you are all waiting for this. Here it is. I found out
after being on stronger and stronger meds for 24/7 and the occasional
bout with prednisone (yucch) for 25 years, that (ta da) it was mostly
from a milk allergy! Ha. That's nuts. I loved milk! I drank 3 or 4
glasses a day! Cereal, ice cream, and pizza were my favorite foods! Of
course everybody is different, and asthma is complex and mysterious.
Just for me it felt like sprouting wings when I weaned myself of the
meds. I am free now. Except that I still try, once in a while, to eat
pizza, or some goofy thing and pay for it later.
There it is. That's all. Short and sweet.
Kathy B.
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., RValvo7626@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/17/01 11:40:57 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> Unschooling-dotcom@y... writes:
>
>
> I am an asthmatic and wasn't diag. till I was 8. I was then put on
> Theophylin and an inhaler for attacks and meds for hayfever. I used to shake
> so terribly from the Theo
>
>
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/17/01 11:40:57 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
do but I have a different mind set about it now. I haven't used an inhaler in
over a year. I have had 4 major attacks this year too. I used Rescue Remedy
(Bach flower) for all but one. I didn't have a thing on me including my cell
phone and I was half way up a mountain mountain biking. I started to panic
and imagined the worst but I made my self do what I know how to do. I
mentally bring myself out of my attacks. I have done this since I was a child
b/c I was petrified of hospitals. I also have a personality flaw where I
don't want anyone to know I need help,let alone help me. @@
I even worked for a Respiratory specialst at one point and I became really
paranoid during that time. Later returned to my mental abilities to help
myself. My mother also never made a huge deal out of my being an asthmatic,I
ran around and played as much as any other child. One thing I did get out of
in HS,swimming the chlorine really triggered a reaction. I do use pools now
but they do make my lungs sensitive. I have difficulty w/ chemicals esp. and
icecream,and Beer or winecoolers. I have gotten to know my body very well and
I have learned how to handle asthma very well.
I am very active, I run,mountain bike,snowboard,and climb mountains. it
hasn't stopped me.
NICKI~
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[email protected] writes:
> How can you possibly know that your son doesn't have asthma just because youSorry I sent that too early. Opps. As I was saying I had asthma still
> didn't want him to? I didn't think that my son would have asthma (the
> eczema mostly comes from his dad's side), didn't give him the medication he
> was prescribed at 6 months because I had been warned by a nurse that given
> ventilin causes the lungs to depend on ventilin.
do but I have a different mind set about it now. I haven't used an inhaler in
over a year. I have had 4 major attacks this year too. I used Rescue Remedy
(Bach flower) for all but one. I didn't have a thing on me including my cell
phone and I was half way up a mountain mountain biking. I started to panic
and imagined the worst but I made my self do what I know how to do. I
mentally bring myself out of my attacks. I have done this since I was a child
b/c I was petrified of hospitals. I also have a personality flaw where I
don't want anyone to know I need help,let alone help me. @@
I even worked for a Respiratory specialst at one point and I became really
paranoid during that time. Later returned to my mental abilities to help
myself. My mother also never made a huge deal out of my being an asthmatic,I
ran around and played as much as any other child. One thing I did get out of
in HS,swimming the chlorine really triggered a reaction. I do use pools now
but they do make my lungs sensitive. I have difficulty w/ chemicals esp. and
icecream,and Beer or winecoolers. I have gotten to know my body very well and
I have learned how to handle asthma very well.
I am very active, I run,mountain bike,snowboard,and climb mountains. it
hasn't stopped me.
NICKI~
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Bridget
> I am an asthmatic and wasn't diag. till I was 8. I was then puton
> Theophylin and an inhaler for attacks and meds for hayfever. I usedto shake
> so terribly from the TheoHaven't asthma meds come a long way since then? I used to react that
>
way to theophylin too. I take Accolate now. Other than the fact
that my new doctor and I have yet to come to an agreement about what,
when and how much I medicine I need, my asthma is in control and the
side-effects are minimal.
As for the thing about not treating early signs of asthma with
ventolin. I agree whole heartedly. Wyndham had a major attack when
he was 18 months old. He was hospitalized and all that. After he
got home, his doctor slowly with drew all the meds. He had one other
major attack and a new round of treatment and withdrawal of
treatment. He hasn't needed anything stronger than anti-histamines
since (they will help allergy related asthma) which is good because
most of the medicine, even the prescription meds have dye in them.
He still wheezes occasionally, but not much. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed that he will never need as much medicine as I do.
Jenni also had an attack at a very early age. Just one. She too
lives med free. I do think there is a connection between treating
with more drugs than absolutely needed and dependence on the drugs
later. But I can't offer anything more than anecdotal evidence.
Does anyone know if there have been any studies?
Bridget
Jessi
I am THINKING of moving and this is one of the states that I have always
wanted to move to...Just wanted to know from personal experiences, what it
is like to unschool there...
Jessi
wanted to move to...Just wanted to know from personal experiences, what it
is like to unschool there...
Jessi
Carol Gilliam
Hi Jessi,
I am from NC. We have been hs for a couple of years. We do unschooling with
some work in math, spelling and mom's read alouds.
NC is not too bad for hs laws. You register with the state and give the kids
an achiement test of your choice to keep on hand plus an attendance sheet
for the year.
NC is a great state with lots of universities, diverse landscape, a couple
of cosmopolitan cities, and just good around living. We would love to have
you come here.
Carol in NC
From: Jessi <mistycal@...>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:35:18 -0600
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Anyone here from North Carolina?
I am THINKING of moving and this is one of the states that I have always
wanted to move to...Just wanted to know from personal experiences, what it
is like to unschool there...
Jessi
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I am from NC. We have been hs for a couple of years. We do unschooling with
some work in math, spelling and mom's read alouds.
NC is not too bad for hs laws. You register with the state and give the kids
an achiement test of your choice to keep on hand plus an attendance sheet
for the year.
NC is a great state with lots of universities, diverse landscape, a couple
of cosmopolitan cities, and just good around living. We would love to have
you come here.
Carol in NC
From: Jessi <mistycal@...>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:35:18 -0600
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Anyone here from North Carolina?
I am THINKING of moving and this is one of the states that I have always
wanted to move to...Just wanted to know from personal experiences, what it
is like to unschool there...
Jessi
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[email protected]
Where are you, Carol? I'm in Charlotte. NC is beautiful, but IMO a
VERY conservative state -- except maybe Asheville. Of course,
perhaps you like conservative... I've had to work really hard to
build a network of like-minded friends here, most of whom don't
homeschool, which can be difficult. We just started hs this year; I
hope to meet more and more unschoolers as time goes on, and we attend
more hs events.
Caren
VERY conservative state -- except maybe Asheville. Of course,
perhaps you like conservative... I've had to work really hard to
build a network of like-minded friends here, most of whom don't
homeschool, which can be difficult. We just started hs this year; I
hope to meet more and more unschoolers as time goes on, and we attend
more hs events.
Caren
Jessi
At 03:40 PM 11/23/01 +0000, you wrote:
conservative up there!
I don't care if I do not have other homeschoolers near me, though it would
be nice as I have not gotten together with anyone here yet but, we have
been making through it fine on our own...
Jessi
>Where are you, Carol? I'm in Charlotte. NC is beautiful, but IMO aThis is the area that I am looking at LOL...I hope that it is not too
>VERY conservative state -- except maybe Asheville.
conservative up there!
I don't care if I do not have other homeschoolers near me, though it would
be nice as I have not gotten together with anyone here yet but, we have
been making through it fine on our own...
Jessi
Carol Gilliam
I am in Marion, near Asheville. It is conservative to an extent but I think
Asheville is quite diverse. I happen to be conservative so it does not
bother me. You can find anything you want.
It is beautiful and we love the mountains.
Carol in NC
conservative up there!
I don't care if I do not have other homeschoolers near me, though it would
be nice as I have not gotten together with anyone here yet but, we have
been making through it fine on our own...
Jessi
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Asheville is quite diverse. I happen to be conservative so it does not
bother me. You can find anything you want.
It is beautiful and we love the mountains.
Carol in NC
>Where are you, Carol? I'm in Charlotte. NC is beautiful, but IMO aThis is the area that I am looking at LOL...I hope that it is not too
>VERY conservative state -- except maybe Asheville.
conservative up there!
I don't care if I do not have other homeschoolers near me, though it would
be nice as I have not gotten together with anyone here yet but, we have
been making through it fine on our own...
Jessi
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