Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: not about Sandra is always right
Lynda
Hmmm, why is it so hard for some folks to accept that their writing style is
abrasive and to try to change the "tone" of their writing.
We've been here before and had the same discussion over and over and over
again. It all boils down to how folks present their "thoughts" or "ideas."
Do they come across as suggestions or helpful hints or anectodal maybe this
will help you or as "I know everything" and "my way is the only way and if
you don't do it my way you aren't doing a good job of raising your child."
As to who's been where or how long or earning faith or trust, that has
absolutely nothing to do with life experiences. One can be a self-annointed
cyber geru for umpteen years and have faith and trust coming out their ears
and that has little relevance to first hand experience.
Contrary to oft stated *opinions,* they are just that, they are not *facts.*
Nor does not experiencing something negate the factual basis that someone
else is basing their statements on.
The kidlets and I can tromp through poison oak until the cows come home and
never get so much as a minor itch. I'm not going to tell other folks they
can't be getting great ouzy sores from poison oak because we don't or
because I might never have personally met anyone who has.
The same applies to part of another discussion--milk. Who cares if it
doesn't bother some folks. That doesn't mean it doesn't/can't bother
others. But then, I can't understand why anyone would want to allow their
children to experiment with drinking a fluid that the government says can
have up to "x" percentage of puss in it. The substance that has to be
pasteurized inorder to kill various bacteria and viruses that cause life
threatening illnesses.
Lynda, who will now have to go check her averages since she didn't know this
was a game or that we were keeping score.
abrasive and to try to change the "tone" of their writing.
We've been here before and had the same discussion over and over and over
again. It all boils down to how folks present their "thoughts" or "ideas."
Do they come across as suggestions or helpful hints or anectodal maybe this
will help you or as "I know everything" and "my way is the only way and if
you don't do it my way you aren't doing a good job of raising your child."
As to who's been where or how long or earning faith or trust, that has
absolutely nothing to do with life experiences. One can be a self-annointed
cyber geru for umpteen years and have faith and trust coming out their ears
and that has little relevance to first hand experience.
Contrary to oft stated *opinions,* they are just that, they are not *facts.*
Nor does not experiencing something negate the factual basis that someone
else is basing their statements on.
The kidlets and I can tromp through poison oak until the cows come home and
never get so much as a minor itch. I'm not going to tell other folks they
can't be getting great ouzy sores from poison oak because we don't or
because I might never have personally met anyone who has.
The same applies to part of another discussion--milk. Who cares if it
doesn't bother some folks. That doesn't mean it doesn't/can't bother
others. But then, I can't understand why anyone would want to allow their
children to experiment with drinking a fluid that the government says can
have up to "x" percentage of puss in it. The substance that has to be
pasteurized inorder to kill various bacteria and viruses that cause life
threatening illnesses.
Lynda, who will now have to go check her averages since she didn't know this
was a game or that we were keeping score.
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
> In a message dated 11/16/01 9:02:13 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> rumpleteasermom@... writes:
>
> > Can someone please explain to me why Sandra can say just about
> > anything she wants here, including subtly bashing one's entire gender
> > with something like, "And it is easy for some parents, especially
> > dads, to expect more of children than they are emotionally and
>
> I can.
>
> Because I'm saying things I have reason to believe are true, I'm not
saying
> them to be hateful, and my average stays up because I'm helpful here and
> other places on the internet.
>
> Bridget, you or anyone can say anything you want to here, and if people
feel
> the urge to defend you, they absolutely can and will. I've spent a few
more
> years earning faith and trust than you have.
>
> Lots of parents are blissfully or willfully unaware of child development
> realities. They expect three year olds to make promises they keep (about
> things they're incapable of understanding or performing) and promise them
> then for not keeping their word. They take six year old boys to doctors
if
> they can't read, instead of just waiting two or three years until they can
> (during which time those boys can absolutely learn TONS of stuff from
books
> read to them, videos, visits to museums and historic sites,
hands-on-stuff),
> but instead the parents WANT a diagnosis of ADHD or dyslexis or something
> scientific, so they feel like they did the right parental thing. Moms, as
a
> group, seem vastly more in touch with what their kids know and can say and
do
> and have been doing than dads, in general, do. If a mom had no idea if
her
> child could tie his shoes or not, it would seem neglect. Dads, though,
often
> ask the kid or other kids whether the youngest needs help with the
bathroom,
> or the kids will tell dad who's needing a high chair or help reading
> subtitles or whatever. Some dads are totally up to the moment. Others
> choose not to be and few fault them; it's not their job, in this society.
>
> -=-Yet when she insults someone to the point where they get nasty
> back you are right there to jump in and defend her?-=-
>
> I wasn't trying to be insulting, and if someone gets nasty back to a
> discussion about federal highways (which, by the way, nobody did except
you),
> that's their doing, not mine. I want to discuss issues. You want to
discuss
> me. I wish you'd stop.
>
> Sandra
Leslie
It all boils down to how folks present their"thoughts"or"ideas."
Your not taking your own advice. I hear a lot of anger and a little frustration too.
Contrary to oft stated *opinions,* they are just that, they are not *facts.*
That's right, this is just an exchange of opinions and ideas. I suggest that you refrain from reading Sandra's posts, they aren't bringing out the best in you :~)
Leslie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Your not taking your own advice. I hear a lot of anger and a little frustration too.
Contrary to oft stated *opinions,* they are just that, they are not *facts.*
That's right, this is just an exchange of opinions and ideas. I suggest that you refrain from reading Sandra's posts, they aren't bringing out the best in you :~)
Leslie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Lynda
"I hear a lot of anger." Do you hear voices also? Cause, let me tell ya,
there wasn't any anger, so you must be "hearing" things that aren't there,
nor was there frustration. In fact, if you actually knew me you would
realise that I get a bit of a kick out of the whole "hang around the cyber
kitchen table" coffee clatch group.
Perhaps you should follow your own advise because this post is definately
not bringing out the best in you, or at least, since I don't know you, I
hope this can be construed as a "fact" and not just an unfounded opinion on
my part.
Lynda, who rarely gets anger and when she does you will definately know it
%-} Trust me <g> Or ask those who really know me. There are a couple on
this list who can vouch for that <g>
there wasn't any anger, so you must be "hearing" things that aren't there,
nor was there frustration. In fact, if you actually knew me you would
realise that I get a bit of a kick out of the whole "hang around the cyber
kitchen table" coffee clatch group.
Perhaps you should follow your own advise because this post is definately
not bringing out the best in you, or at least, since I don't know you, I
hope this can be construed as a "fact" and not just an unfounded opinion on
my part.
Lynda, who rarely gets anger and when she does you will definately know it
%-} Trust me <g> Or ask those who really know me. There are a couple on
this list who can vouch for that <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: Leslie <leslie@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: not about Sandra is always right
> It all boils down to how folks present their"thoughts"or"ideas."
>
> Your not taking your own advice. I hear a lot of anger and a little
frustration too.
>
> Contrary to oft stated *opinions,* they are just that, they are not
*facts.*
>
> That's right, this is just an exchange of opinions and ideas. I suggest
that you refrain from reading Sandra's posts, they aren't bringing out the
best in you :~)
> Leslie
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Bridget E Coffman
Leslie,
That is NOT Lynda angry. That is Lynda stating her opinion and I find
her manner a whole lot less offensive than those who are condescending.
Bridget
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
That is NOT Lynda angry. That is Lynda stating her opinion and I find
her manner a whole lot less offensive than those who are condescending.
Bridget
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:57:17 -0500^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> From: "Leslie" <leslie@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: not about Sandra is always right
>
> It all boils down to how folks present their"thoughts"or"ideas."
>
> Your not taking your own advice. I hear a lot of anger and a little
> frustration too.
>
> Contrary to oft stated *opinions,* they are just that, they are not
> *facts.*
>
> That's right, this is just an exchange of opinions and ideas. I
> suggest that you refrain from reading Sandra's posts, they aren't
> bringing out the best in you :~)
> Leslie
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
Leslie
<Leslie,
That is NOT Lynda angry. That is Lynda stating her opinion and I find
her manner a whole lot less offensive than those who are condescending.
Bridget>
I'm sorry if I upset you or anyone else! I was sincerely trying to help but I'm obviously not aware of the extent of the animosity here. I've only been following this list short time and I don't really mind that the tone is often combative. I was lurking on the TCS (Taking Children Seriously) list for a while and I found their method of trying to avoid this level of personal discussion more tedious than reading what happens here. I notice that a lot of interesting ideas and opinions surface in these sometimes aggressive dialogues. I didn't realize at the time I posted my comments that deleting Sandra's posts would almost be tantamount to leaving the list.
It's not easy for me to communicate this way but I thought I was getting better! I guess I'm still a long way from being a peace maker. Again I'm sorry to have attracted such negative attention.
Leslie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
That is NOT Lynda angry. That is Lynda stating her opinion and I find
her manner a whole lot less offensive than those who are condescending.
Bridget>
I'm sorry if I upset you or anyone else! I was sincerely trying to help but I'm obviously not aware of the extent of the animosity here. I've only been following this list short time and I don't really mind that the tone is often combative. I was lurking on the TCS (Taking Children Seriously) list for a while and I found their method of trying to avoid this level of personal discussion more tedious than reading what happens here. I notice that a lot of interesting ideas and opinions surface in these sometimes aggressive dialogues. I didn't realize at the time I posted my comments that deleting Sandra's posts would almost be tantamount to leaving the list.
It's not easy for me to communicate this way but I thought I was getting better! I guess I'm still a long way from being a peace maker. Again I'm sorry to have attracted such negative attention.
Leslie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Leslie" <leslie@j...> wrote:
Leslie,
I'm not angry with anyone here. Frustrated by a lack of
understanding maybe, but I save strong emotions like anger for the
real world. Anyway, I was chuckling away when I read your post about
Lynda because I have seen her when she gets REALLY wound tight. This
was nothing like that!
Hey Lynda, wanna discuss alcohol here???? hehehe
Bridget
ps - BTW I think you do fine expressing your thoughts even when I
disagree.
>
> It's not easy for me to communicate this way but I thought I was
getting better! I guess I'm still a long way from being a peace
maker. Again I'm sorry to have attracted such negative attention.
> Leslie
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Lynda
TeeHee, shall we war away <g> Thing is if "we" did, there would be a major,
major diff in that "we" could go on to another discussion without waiting
in ambuse to dissect the next post from the other.
Lynda
major diff in that "we" could go on to another discussion without waiting
in ambuse to dissect the next post from the other.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Bridget <rumpleteasermom@...>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Leslie" <leslie@j...> wrote:
>
> Leslie,
> I'm not angry with anyone here. Frustrated by a lack of
> understanding maybe, but I save strong emotions like anger for the
> real world. Anyway, I was chuckling away when I read your post about
> Lynda because I have seen her when she gets REALLY wound tight. This
> was nothing like that!
> Hey Lynda, wanna discuss alcohol here???? hehehe
>
> Bridget
>
> ps - BTW I think you do fine expressing your thoughts even when I
> disagree.
Elizabeth Hill
Lynda wrote:
Betsy
> "I hear a lot of anger." Do you hear voices also? Cause, let me tell ya,That happens a lot online.
> there wasn't any anger, so you must be "hearing" things that aren't there,
> nor was there frustration.
Betsy
Lynda
Well, I try to use those nasty !!! for emphasis instead of ALL CAPS which is
seen as shouting. I try to put %-} or <g> or even <<<bewg>>> but haven't
found a symbol for "not angry" or "not frustrated." If I put a <g> then I'm
supposedly being sarcastic which folks should realise I'm not cause if I am
then I say so.
Anyone got any ideas on other "expressions" one can use??? %-{
Lynda, who couldn't figure out how to make a quizzical face cause she
couldn't figure out how to do squiggley eyebrows. What's a body to do <g>
seen as shouting. I try to put %-} or <g> or even <<<bewg>>> but haven't
found a symbol for "not angry" or "not frustrated." If I put a <g> then I'm
supposedly being sarcastic which folks should realise I'm not cause if I am
then I say so.
Anyone got any ideas on other "expressions" one can use??? %-{
Lynda, who couldn't figure out how to make a quizzical face cause she
couldn't figure out how to do squiggley eyebrows. What's a body to do <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Hill <ecsamhill@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: not about Sandra is always right
>
>
> Lynda wrote:
>
> > "I hear a lot of anger." Do you hear voices also? Cause, let me tell
ya,
> > there wasn't any anger, so you must be "hearing" things that aren't
there,
> > nor was there frustration.
>
> That happens a lot online.
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
>
>
> Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> To unsubscribe, set preferences, or read archives:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Unschooling-dotcom
>
> Another great list sponsored by Home Education Magazine!
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>