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> 1. Re: Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> 2. Re: reading
> From: Jaam1224@...
> 3. Re: reading
> From: Natrlmama@...
> 4. RE: reading
> From: "jbpan" <jbpan@...>
> 5. Re: Software Question
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 6. Re: Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At A NutFestival
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 7. Re: Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 8. Re: reading
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 9. Re: reading
> From: "Allison Crilly" <AllisonC@...>
> 10. Re: reading
> From: Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart <ravenhart@...>
> 11. deschooling
> From: Lori <livelovenlearn@...>
> 12. Immunization Exemptions
> From: brendaclaspell@...
> 13. Re: Immunization Exemptions
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 14. Re: deschooling
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 15. RE: reading
> From: "A. Scott" <info@...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:22:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> Subject: Re: Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
>
> . Richard Fugate. He wrote What
> > the Bible Says About
> > > Child Training. He came up with a list of rod
> > sizes to be used on
> > different
> > > age children, beginning with infants. He even gave
> > them cutsie names.
> > > Joyce
>
> Abuse infants?!! as well as the bigger kids? Is a 2x4
> appropriate for great big children? Several of my
> nephews where well over 6 feet at age 14. I've known
> 90 and 100 lb 6 year olds.....
>
> No don't answer.....it is too disgusting!!!
>
> Sharon
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:42:56 EST
> From: Jaam1224@...
> Subject: Re: reading
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have been lurking for awhile on this list. I have a quick questions. I
> have a five yr who is learning her letters and already knows how to write
her
> name. She is always asking me to read. She would be willing to sit ALL
day
> and listen to me read.... as we did this one day. I do tend to get tired
of
> all this reading even though I know that it is good for her.....so here is
my
> question how do I find the right balance? It seems the more she asks, the
> more I feel like resisting.....I would love to hear any thoughts that you
may
> have.
>
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:49:52 EST
> From: Natrlmama@...
> Subject: Re: reading
>
> In a message dated 11/7/01 3:47:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Jaam1224@...
> writes:
>
> << She would be willing to sit ALL day
> and listen to me read.... as we did this one day. I do tend to get tired
of
> all this reading even though I know that it is good for her.....so here
is
> my
> question how do I find the right balance? It seems the more she asks,
the
> more I feel like resisting.....I would love to hear any thoughts that you
> may
> have. >>
>
> Well I wouldn't read more than I feel comfortable with. It seems that
wouldn't
> be very fun for you and her anyhow. I personally have a hard time reading
> books that "I" don't find intersting or entertaining. Maybe you could
pick up
> some tapes that she could listen to in between the reading time.
> Kathy
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:01:02 -0800
> From: "jbpan" <jbpan@...>
> Subject: RE: reading
>
> Books on tape is a great idea, and if she gets picky and wants it to be
YOU
> reading, take an hour and read some of her favorite books while recording
> onto a tape. I did this for my daughter, recorded into her little toy
> recorder and it worked great! That way it's still "you" reading :-)
>
> Blessings,
> Brynn
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:44:39 -0800
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> Subject: Re: Software Question
>
> Don't know. A homeschooling friend asked about it and I'd never heard of
> it, which I told her. But, I've never looked into anything for reading
> because all the kids were early readers and self-taught. So, I figured
> maybe someone on the lists would have heard about it.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Software Question
>
>
> > At 11:11 AM 11/7/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Has anyone heard of or used a program called PhonicsTudor.
Timberdoodle
> is
> > >carrying it and it is supposed to be for the "latent reader."
> >
> > Latent reader? Latent = present but not visible. So this is for kids
who
> > can actually read but don't know it? Or they can read but *we* don't
know
> > it? <g>
> >
> > Sorry, never heard of the game.
> > Tia
> >
> > Tia Leschke leschke@...
> > On Vancouver Island
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:58:01 -0800
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> Subject: Re: Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At A NutFestival
>
> You missed the ads where they list the various sizes and how (I forget
what
> they called it) is "ideal to carry in a diaper bag."
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ddzimlew@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At A
> NutFestival
>
>
> >
> > . He came up with a list of rod sizes to be used on
> > > different
> > > age children, beginning with infants. He even gave them cutsie
> > > names.
> >
> > I received a free copy of Home School Digest at a book swap. In the
back
> > was an ad for "THE ROD"
> >
> > Proverbs 23:13-24 Proverbs 22:15
> > (The means prescribed by God)
> > The ideal tool for child training
> >
> > Flexible nylon rod
> > Cushioned vinyl grip (so the user feels no discomfort?)
> > Balanced easy to use
> > Safety tip (yeah, we wouldn't wanna hurt anyone)
> > (and my favorite part)
> > Spoons are for cooking
> > Belts are for holding up pants
> > Hands are for loving
> > RODS (a little smiley face here) are for chastening
> >
> > Isn't that nice?
> >
> > What a freak!
> > Deb L
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:10:30 -0800
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> Subject: Re: Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
>
> Not only should you use a rod, there is even a list of how many wacks for
> what offense depending on the age of the child! Oh, and how hard to
wack!!!
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At
ANutFestival
>
>
> > . Richard Fugate. He wrote What
> > > the Bible Says About
> > > > Child Training. He came up with a list of rod
> > > sizes to be used on
> > > different
> > > > age children, beginning with infants. He even gave
> > > them cutsie names.
> > > > Joyce
> >
> > Abuse infants?!! as well as the bigger kids? Is a 2x4
> > appropriate for great big children? Several of my
> > nephews where well over 6 feet at age 14. I've known
> > 90 and 100 lb 6 year olds.....
> >
> > No don't answer.....it is too disgusting!!!
> >
> > Sharon
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:12:35 -0800
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> Subject: Re: reading
>
> Youngest kidlet was/is this way so we balance it with books on tape. I
> would tell her my voice needed to take a rest for awhile and if she wanted
> to listen to more books that she would need to use her "talking" books, as
> she called them.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Jaam1224@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] reading
>
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have been lurking for awhile on this list. I have a quick questions.
I
> > have a five yr who is learning her letters and already knows how to
write
> her
> > name. She is always asking me to read. She would be willing to sit ALL
> day
> > and listen to me read.... as we did this one day. I do tend to get
tired
> of
> > all this reading even though I know that it is good for her.....so here
is
> my
> > question how do I find the right balance? It seems the more she asks,
the
> > more I feel like resisting.....I would love to hear any thoughts that
you
> may
> > have.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Julie
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:52:53 -0600
> From: "Allison Crilly" <AllisonC@...>
> Subject: Re: reading
>
> Hi Julie, my son was like this at 5 and 6, just before he started reading
on his own. It drove me kind of nuts. One thing I did was to get some
books on tape (it worked for him because he's very verbal/audio oriented, I
can't listen to the things, though), and to sometimes turn the table and ask
him to "read" to me while I did housework or some sort of errand. I also
tried to get him to make up stories of his own, and I would write them down
for him and make little books that he would then "read" to himself. I'm a
single mom, so I know how overwhelming it can get when my son goes through
really attention-needy kind of phases. I think the right balance would be
reading as much as you are willing to.
>
> Allison
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jaam1224@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] reading
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have been lurking for awhile on this list. I have a quick questions.
I
> have a five yr who is learning her letters and already knows how to
write her
> name. She is always asking me to read. She would be willing to sit ALL
day
> and listen to me read.... as we did this one day. I do tend to get
tired of
> all this reading even though I know that it is good for her.....so here
is my
> question how do I find the right balance? It seems the more she asks,
the
> more I feel like resisting.....I would love to hear any thoughts that
you may
> have.
>
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:18:21 -0600
> From: Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart <ravenhart@...>
> Subject: Re: reading
>
> I would suggest that you decide how much you're willing to read on any
> given day, then tell her. read at various times during the day. I read
> to my son after he finishes his reading lesson. He finds it encouraging
> to SEE me do what he's learning to do. BTW, he LOVES 100 Easy Lessons.
> He's so excited about reading that he's begging for EXTRA lessons. He
> read his first sentence today.
>
> Rachel Ravenhart
>
> Jaam1224@... wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have been lurking for awhile on this list. I have a quick
> > questions. I
> > have a five yr who is learning her letters and already knows how to
> > write her
> > name. She is always asking me to read. She would be willing to sit
> > ALL day
> > and listen to me read.... as we did this one day. I do tend to get
> > tired of
> > all this reading even though I know that it is good for her.....so
> > here is my
> > question how do I find the right balance? It seems the more she asks,
> > the
> > more I feel like resisting.....I would love to hear any thoughts that
> > you may
> > have.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Julie
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:22:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lori <livelovenlearn@...>
> Subject: deschooling
>
> Just to let the other two unschooling parents know
> that they are in good company! I am unschooling my 9
> and 12 year old, and many days, in fact, most days, we
> are making it up as we go along. Maybe not such a bad
> thing, but certainly not what I have been taught is
> the right method.
>
> ....Sandra said:
>
> If you stop looking for just what you consider
> "learning activities," you
> will see him learning all the time.
>
> This is true, but I empathize to the other unschooling
> parents. Being new to this, is very very difficult. I
> never imagined I would feel this lost.
>
> >>>Instead of waiting for him to "be motivated," maybe
>
> you could motivate
> yourself to learn more about unschooling.
>
> Well, perhaps there is a deschooling process for us
> too? I have been reading and researching for probably
> 8 months now. I have hit the point where I made myself
> not read anything else right now. It seems akin to
> languages maybe. Like I've been reading all about
> another language, and intellectually have sorted much
> of it out. But now it is time to immerse myself in
> language.
>
> Personally, I understand when everyone says give it
> time, etc. this is normal. You have a lot of years
> ahead of you. Yet, that doesn't negate the need to
> discuss it and have support. Very simple concrete
> ideas are also helpful, as well as stories of some of
> the oldtimers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> lori
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:50:15 EST
> From: brendaclaspell@...
> Subject: Immunization Exemptions
>
> Does anyone have any links or info regarding getting past the vaccine bit
for
> preschool? I have a friend who's trying to find an exemption and doesn't
know
> where to start.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Brenda
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:53:28 -0800
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> Subject: Re: Immunization Exemptions
>
> Depends on the state.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <brendaclaspell@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:50 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Immunization Exemptions
>
>
> > Does anyone have any links or info regarding getting past the vaccine
bit
> for
> > preschool? I have a friend who's trying to find an exemption and doesn't
> know
> > where to start.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Brenda
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:45:11 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: deschooling
>
>
> << If you stop looking for just what you consider
> "learning activities," you
> will see him learning all the time. >>
>
> I consider that a hugely practical piece of advice.
>
> Instead of giving it time, and waiting for it to happen, parents need to
STOP
> doing something too, which is stop waiting for it to look like school.
>
> It's crucial that the parents try to change their own thinking and
> expectations. If you consciously remove from your thinking all the school
> measures and terms (semester, grade-level, subjects) it will take much
LESS
> time.
>
> If it takes a year to deschool while holding one's breath in fear but only
> two months of breathing and awareness, I don't recommend the long, hard
way,
> because that's ten months of frustration and mixed messages to the
children.
>
> I've seen some parents read and read and READ but they leave their
children
> in school, or keep their children doing math lessons and writing
assignments
> while they try to let what they've "learned" soak in, but it's not like a
> language, it's like a bicycle. Read all you want, but without getting on
a
> bicycle, you're going nowhere.
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
> "Everything counts."
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:20:25 -0500
> From: "A. Scott" <info@...>
> Subject: RE: reading
>
> Nancy Wallace (author of Better Than School, which I recommend) talks in
her
> book about the fact that she and her husband decided to only read to their
> children books that they found interesting themselves. I'm not sure I
> recommend this method completely, but I have used it as a guide. There are
> some books I simply won't read aloud - I just can't take it, and other
books
> I read aloud because I really want to read them and I know the kids will
> enjoy it somewhat.
>
> My point is - if I were in your situation - being asked to read aloud so
> much - I would agree to read a set amount of her choice, and then more of
my
> choice if she wants more. It doesn't have to be something completely
boring
> to her, but it can be something you really feel like reading. Then it will
> probably be less irritating, you think?
>
> Amy
>
>
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