Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
Lynda
The local high school pulls it off with a program called Equis. The
science, math, history and English classes are team taught and integrated.
I guess I was lucky as I am both a book and math person and although I was
never a science person I still got a lot of info from science classes and
never a feeling of not getting the complete picture. And, even though I was
generally bored to death in school, most of my negative experiences came
from students, not teachers. Well, other than I found most of them to be,
shall we say, limited in their abilities <g> But by then I had "found" the
library and the librarians were always more than happy to help with my
questions and never seemed to be put off by a bunch of questions.
However, the only time I got the "smart ass" routine was in the 4th grade
and they moved me into a 4, 5 and 6 class. That got rid of the boredom for
that year but of course that left me with no where to go in the 5th grade.
When I got to high school I finally got some really good teachers who could
bring their subjects to life. Our chemistry teacher had been in special
forces or CIA or some such thing and he was the original two left feet,
nutty professor so his class was always "interesting," and we all lived to
tell about it <g> We had a geometry teacher who was an ex-Marine drill
sargent who was interesting too. And an algebra teacher that was wayyyyyyy
ahead of his time (this was about '61) and turned the class into a computer
and because of the way he taught, everyone "got it," even the kids that came
into the class math phobic or failing math.
Now, I loved English until Ms. Peabody (yes, that was her real name) who
could turn an honors English major into a 1.0 gpa in no time flat! I only
have two memories of her class, one, I hated it and two, the day she asked
me where Timbucto was.
So, the warm fuzzies really have to do with how good the teacher is, IMHO,
not what your favorite subjects are.
As to book burning, if you were/are a public figure who says Ezzo's book
should be burned, then I'd have to say you get to be in the same column as
the guy in Texas.
Ya see, the way I see it, if everyone gets to decide what books to gather
up, remove from public consumption and burn, then their won't be any books
at all. I'd much prefer to see open dialogue, information exchanged and an
alternative looked for.
I personally would like to see Ezzo burned but I'm not going to get on some
committee and make that recommendation <g>
Lynda
science, math, history and English classes are team taught and integrated.
I guess I was lucky as I am both a book and math person and although I was
never a science person I still got a lot of info from science classes and
never a feeling of not getting the complete picture. And, even though I was
generally bored to death in school, most of my negative experiences came
from students, not teachers. Well, other than I found most of them to be,
shall we say, limited in their abilities <g> But by then I had "found" the
library and the librarians were always more than happy to help with my
questions and never seemed to be put off by a bunch of questions.
However, the only time I got the "smart ass" routine was in the 4th grade
and they moved me into a 4, 5 and 6 class. That got rid of the boredom for
that year but of course that left me with no where to go in the 5th grade.
When I got to high school I finally got some really good teachers who could
bring their subjects to life. Our chemistry teacher had been in special
forces or CIA or some such thing and he was the original two left feet,
nutty professor so his class was always "interesting," and we all lived to
tell about it <g> We had a geometry teacher who was an ex-Marine drill
sargent who was interesting too. And an algebra teacher that was wayyyyyyy
ahead of his time (this was about '61) and turned the class into a computer
and because of the way he taught, everyone "got it," even the kids that came
into the class math phobic or failing math.
Now, I loved English until Ms. Peabody (yes, that was her real name) who
could turn an honors English major into a 1.0 gpa in no time flat! I only
have two memories of her class, one, I hated it and two, the day she asked
me where Timbucto was.
So, the warm fuzzies really have to do with how good the teacher is, IMHO,
not what your favorite subjects are.
As to book burning, if you were/are a public figure who says Ezzo's book
should be burned, then I'd have to say you get to be in the same column as
the guy in Texas.
Ya see, the way I see it, if everyone gets to decide what books to gather
up, remove from public consumption and burn, then their won't be any books
at all. I'd much prefer to see open dialogue, information exchanged and an
alternative looked for.
I personally would like to see Ezzo burned but I'm not going to get on some
committee and make that recommendation <g>
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
> on 11/5/01 10:30 AM, Lynda at lurine@... wrote:
>
> > I do think that science should be taught as science and not from a
political
> > or economic standpoint. Politics and economics are variables, science
is
> > not. Acid rain is acid rain and what causes it causes it.
>
> I meant to reply to this but ended up covering it in my previous post. I
> think kids would get a bigger picture if nothing were learned in
isolation.
> I also think it's a rare school that can pull that off as a general
policy.
>
> > And, I wasn't interested in the book, per se, but in
> > the book burning statement. I find that folks that think any book that
> > doesn't teach a particular view should then be burned are a bit on the
> > nutcake side. If they start with this book, what book is next?
>
> And yet, if I found myself in the possession of an Ezzo or Fulgate book
I'd
> be tempted to -- and might actually -- drop it in the trash rather than
let
> it fall into the hands of some poor innocent at the library book sale.
I've
> had serious thoughts about other books I've donated.
>
> And if I could get my hands on all the Ezzo and Fulgate books, I might be
> sorely tempted!
>
> So if I can feel justified about destroying a book I find personally
> repugnant, does that make me a nutcase too? If you agree with my reasoning
> for doing it to a particular book, does that make it okay?
>
> I don't think people burn books because a book doesn't teach what they
> believe. (Though some probably do.) I think it's because the book teaches
> something they think is bad. It's a subtle but important difference that
> helps us gain insight into the way people we disagree with think. In other
> words they think the same was we do, just from a different point of view.
>
> Joyce
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And Ezzo refers folks in his speeches to Fugate. And they both recommend
H$LDA for homeschoolers.
Lynda
H$LDA for homeschoolers.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
> on 11/6/01 11:06 AM, Tia Leschke at leschke@... wrote:
>
> > I know who Ezzo is ('scuse me while I puke) but who or what is Fulgate?
>
> Oops, that's Fugate. Richard Fugate. He wrote What the Bible Says About
> Child Training. He came up with a list of rod sizes to be used on
different
> age children, beginning with infants. He even gave them cutsie names.
>
> Joyce
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At 12:06 PM 11/7/01 -0800, you wrote:
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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>And Ezzo refers folks in his speeches to Fugate. And they both recommendTriple puke!
>H$LDA for homeschoolers.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Sharon Rudd
. Richard Fugate. He wrote What
appropriate for great big children? Several of my
nephews where well over 6 feet at age 14. I've known
90 and 100 lb 6 year olds.....
No don't answer.....it is too disgusting!!!
Sharon
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> the Bible Says AboutAbuse infants?!! as well as the bigger kids? Is a 2x4
> > Child Training. He came up with a list of rod
> sizes to be used on
> different
> > age children, beginning with infants. He even gave
> them cutsie names.
> > Joyce
appropriate for great big children? Several of my
nephews where well over 6 feet at age 14. I've known
90 and 100 lb 6 year olds.....
No don't answer.....it is too disgusting!!!
Sharon
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Lynda
Not only should you use a rod, there is even a list of how many wacks for
what offense depending on the age of the child! Oh, and how hard to wack!!!
Lynda
what offense depending on the age of the child! Oh, and how hard to wack!!!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Nuttier Than A Bag Of Nuts At ANutFestival
> . Richard Fugate. He wrote What
> > the Bible Says About
> > > Child Training. He came up with a list of rod
> > sizes to be used on
> > different
> > > age children, beginning with infants. He even gave
> > them cutsie names.
> > > Joyce
>
> Abuse infants?!! as well as the bigger kids? Is a 2x4
> appropriate for great big children? Several of my
> nephews where well over 6 feet at age 14. I've known
> 90 and 100 lb 6 year olds.....
>
> No don't answer.....it is too disgusting!!!
>
> Sharon
>
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