Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Pink toys
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In a message dated 11/04/2001 2:43:57 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
ElissaJC@... writes:
that being gay would be a bad thing -- even as we bend over backwards to
teach better attitudes.
Not to pick on Karen -- I've seen this sort of thing more than a few times.
Moms and Dads proud that they are so liberal about having pink toys for the
boys and then crowing that it doesn't bother them because they know their son
is all man.
Humans! We've got a ways to go!!
Nance
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ElissaJC@... writes:
> . I don't "worry " thatIt's so hard to say the right thing. A lot of us are so used to thinking
> my son or daughter would be gay or lesbian. I worry that they won't be a
> content, happy confident, caring individual.
> Elissa
>
that being gay would be a bad thing -- even as we bend over backwards to
teach better attitudes.
Not to pick on Karen -- I've seen this sort of thing more than a few times.
Moms and Dads proud that they are so liberal about having pink toys for the
boys and then crowing that it doesn't bother them because they know their son
is all man.
Humans! We've got a ways to go!!
Nance
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In a message dated 11/4/01 6:51:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
marbleface@... writes:
<<
Not to pick on Karen -- I've seen this sort of thing more than a few times.
Moms and Dads proud that they are so liberal about having pink toys for the
boys and then crowing that it doesn't bother them because they know their
son
is all man.
dh has done with the boys playing Barbies with their sister, last Christmas
they even got their own Ken & Tommy dolls (they didn't want girl dolls). And
when their sister gave up Barbie for American Girl dolls I was rather sad as
the boys wouldn't play without her. So finally they asked me for a boy
"american" doll and I found them ones at Target. They are so happy to be
playing with their sister again. So as I am telling people I am also adding
in yes he is such a boy climbing trees, climbing on the roof, riding his
motorcycle etc (he is almost 7 and the other 4 1/2). I am guilty as charged!
On the otherhand, my very macho dh HAS come a long way. He was
raised a certain way (as I am sure most of us were) and never really said
much about the boys playing dolls (probably taking solace in the fact that
they did other boy/manly things!) Baby steps, baby steps....
Kathy
marbleface@... writes:
<<
Not to pick on Karen -- I've seen this sort of thing more than a few times.
Moms and Dads proud that they are so liberal about having pink toys for the
boys and then crowing that it doesn't bother them because they know their
son
is all man.
>>Boy did you hit the nail on the head. Here I have been thinking how well my
dh has done with the boys playing Barbies with their sister, last Christmas
they even got their own Ken & Tommy dolls (they didn't want girl dolls). And
when their sister gave up Barbie for American Girl dolls I was rather sad as
the boys wouldn't play without her. So finally they asked me for a boy
"american" doll and I found them ones at Target. They are so happy to be
playing with their sister again. So as I am telling people I am also adding
in yes he is such a boy climbing trees, climbing on the roof, riding his
motorcycle etc (he is almost 7 and the other 4 1/2). I am guilty as charged!
On the otherhand, my very macho dh HAS come a long way. He was
raised a certain way (as I am sure most of us were) and never really said
much about the boys playing dolls (probably taking solace in the fact that
they did other boy/manly things!) Baby steps, baby steps....
Kathy
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Kirby's favorite color was pink for years.
When he was three or four he asked for a "Daddy Barbie at the beach." I
asked for a translation from some slightly-older girls. Malibu Ken. We got
him one.
I was preparing for the possibility... we had a very VERY pink neighbor boy
whose mom was hostile and resistent about her son's proclivities. The
only-child neighbor used to come over and play the princess in the
make-believe with my three kids.
They've grown up. The neighbor is living with his dad and what seems could
be his dad's boyfriend, instead of the with the mom. I don't know how it
fell out with him sexually; he's still a teen, going to public school, and we
moved away.
Kirby is very popular with girls, often older than he is. He doesn't seem at
all feminine, except in his awareness and sensitivity (which all three kids
have, so it's not fair to call it feminine, except that so much of our
culture has traditionally tries to squish it in boys). I'm not going to
worry either way, although sometimes I think it's a shame for the kids if a
non-gender-traditional kid grows up in a homophobic family while a liberal
family that could have handled it has all hetero kids. Life doesn't shake
out fairly or evenly, though.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
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http://expage.com/SandraDodd
When he was three or four he asked for a "Daddy Barbie at the beach." I
asked for a translation from some slightly-older girls. Malibu Ken. We got
him one.
I was preparing for the possibility... we had a very VERY pink neighbor boy
whose mom was hostile and resistent about her son's proclivities. The
only-child neighbor used to come over and play the princess in the
make-believe with my three kids.
They've grown up. The neighbor is living with his dad and what seems could
be his dad's boyfriend, instead of the with the mom. I don't know how it
fell out with him sexually; he's still a teen, going to public school, and we
moved away.
Kirby is very popular with girls, often older than he is. He doesn't seem at
all feminine, except in his awareness and sensitivity (which all three kids
have, so it's not fair to call it feminine, except that so much of our
culture has traditionally tries to squish it in boys). I'm not going to
worry either way, although sometimes I think it's a shame for the kids if a
non-gender-traditional kid grows up in a homophobic family while a liberal
family that could have handled it has all hetero kids. Life doesn't shake
out fairly or evenly, though.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
jbpan
This is a great thread. My son, now 11 years old, has decided that he
doesn't really wear pink much anymore, but you should see the looks we get
when he and his sister, 6 yo, carry their stuffed animals into the store on
their shoulders. Nicholas loves "Pookie" and Emily has her "Lily" and they
are darn proud of it!
I remember about two years ago, the kids and I were in the fabric store
picking out some flannel for pajamas for the winter. They both agreed on a
Peter Rabbit flannel, with gorgeous pics of Peter on it and the background
color? Pink, of course! When we got to the cutting counter, the cutter said
"what are you going to make?" (as they always seem to do) and I told her
PJ's for the kids. I was getting over five yards so she assumed I had
another daughter. She said "oh, for these two? Are these your only
children?" and I said yes and she said "I think that's great that your son
will wear pink, some men wear it and it looks great on them!" obviously
trying to mend what she thought may have been an awkward moment. My son
looked at her and said "I like pink, I don't believe in gender
discrimination with clothing colors.". You should have seen her face. She
was shocked, then she smiled so big.
It is always such a shocker to hear people use terms like "fairy", it
saddens me though, as it is a tap on the shoulder reminding me that terms
like that are still commonly used by many people. This also makes me wonder
why people have to make excuses as to why their sons may do things that
aren't considered "boy things". I have known many gay teens/men growing up
and in my adulthood and it was quite common that many of them felt pressure
to be "all boy".
I don't care what my children are or become as long as they are not being
hurt, hurting others or the earth. As long as they are happy, I could desire
nothing more...
Brynn
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doesn't really wear pink much anymore, but you should see the looks we get
when he and his sister, 6 yo, carry their stuffed animals into the store on
their shoulders. Nicholas loves "Pookie" and Emily has her "Lily" and they
are darn proud of it!
I remember about two years ago, the kids and I were in the fabric store
picking out some flannel for pajamas for the winter. They both agreed on a
Peter Rabbit flannel, with gorgeous pics of Peter on it and the background
color? Pink, of course! When we got to the cutting counter, the cutter said
"what are you going to make?" (as they always seem to do) and I told her
PJ's for the kids. I was getting over five yards so she assumed I had
another daughter. She said "oh, for these two? Are these your only
children?" and I said yes and she said "I think that's great that your son
will wear pink, some men wear it and it looks great on them!" obviously
trying to mend what she thought may have been an awkward moment. My son
looked at her and said "I like pink, I don't believe in gender
discrimination with clothing colors.". You should have seen her face. She
was shocked, then she smiled so big.
It is always such a shocker to hear people use terms like "fairy", it
saddens me though, as it is a tap on the shoulder reminding me that terms
like that are still commonly used by many people. This also makes me wonder
why people have to make excuses as to why their sons may do things that
aren't considered "boy things". I have known many gay teens/men growing up
and in my adulthood and it was quite common that many of them felt pressure
to be "all boy".
I don't care what my children are or become as long as they are not being
hurt, hurting others or the earth. As long as they are happy, I could desire
nothing more...
Brynn
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:34:51 -0800 "jbpan" <jbpan@...> writes:
lots of great stories to tell. One was about a little boy, maybe 4 or 5,
who came in looking for a costume as one of the 7 dwarves. The store
either didn't have that one or was out of it, so he said, "Okay, then I
want to be Snow White." There followed a long discussion between my
sister, the mother, and this little boy (an a good bit of it seemed
focused on what the kids at school would say, which was kind of sad, but
true). He left with a pair of wings and some plans to create a fairy
costume...
She also had to deal with men wanting skin-tight rubber suits that were
designed for women, and having to explain that there really was no room
for their ... genitalia in the suits... and then of course there were the
adults wanting brownie and catholic school girl outfits... it was quite
an education. Cacie throught it was a really cool job..
Daron
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> This is a great thread. My son, now 11 years old, has decided that heget
> doesn't really wear pink much anymore, but you should see the looks we
> when he and his sister, 6 yo, carry their stuffed animals into the"Lily"
> store on their shoulders. Nicholas loves "Pookie" and Emily has her
> and they are darn proud of it!My sister worked at the Spirit Halloween store this year, and she had
>
lots of great stories to tell. One was about a little boy, maybe 4 or 5,
who came in looking for a costume as one of the 7 dwarves. The store
either didn't have that one or was out of it, so he said, "Okay, then I
want to be Snow White." There followed a long discussion between my
sister, the mother, and this little boy (an a good bit of it seemed
focused on what the kids at school would say, which was kind of sad, but
true). He left with a pair of wings and some plans to create a fairy
costume...
She also had to deal with men wanting skin-tight rubber suits that were
designed for women, and having to explain that there really was no room
for their ... genitalia in the suits... and then of course there were the
adults wanting brownie and catholic school girl outfits... it was quite
an education. Cacie throught it was a really cool job..
Daron
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In a message dated 11/5/01 12:32:37 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
jbpan@... writes:
I went to the store tonight with my mother so she could buy 3yo ds the winter
garb. We'd already found some, may I say, really cool mittens with a pocket
in the back and all....and then he found the fuzzy purple gloves with a star
of sequins and sparkly letters that spelled 'Princess'. He was in love. Even
on the car ride home, after switching bags from grandma's car to ours he
said, "Did we get that coat and stuff? Do we have those Princess gloves?" :-)
Brenda
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jbpan@... writes:
> My sonThat's just so cool! Sounds like a neat kid!
> looked at her and said "I like pink, I don't believe in gender
> discrimination with clothing colors.".
I went to the store tonight with my mother so she could buy 3yo ds the winter
garb. We'd already found some, may I say, really cool mittens with a pocket
in the back and all....and then he found the fuzzy purple gloves with a star
of sequins and sparkly letters that spelled 'Princess'. He was in love. Even
on the car ride home, after switching bags from grandma's car to ours he
said, "Did we get that coat and stuff? Do we have those Princess gloves?" :-)
Brenda
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