Joseph Fuerst

> With what did you update the 1st aid kit?
> Your preparedness and planning are commendable, Julie.
> Thanks.
> > What's in the boxes?

> Aimee
>
Aimee,
Our local paper had a recent article about 'emergency' kits (no, I think
they called them survivor kits...do ya think that's what they provide on the
TV show?!) .....thay include things like blankets, waterproof
matches...water, first aid supplies. I believe the American Red Cross
sells kits and/or has a list of supplies for both first aid and survival
items. I remember $145.00 for a 4 person kit.
Check out the ARC website, I'm fairly certain that's where the lists can be
found. I'll check the paper if I haven't pitched it for the site.
TTFN,
Suz

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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Joseph Fuerst" <fuerst@f...> wrote:
> I believe the American Red Cross sells kits and/or has a list of
> supplies for both first aid and survival items.

Not a fan of the Red Cross, myself. FEMA - the Federal Emergency
Management Agency - has a full listing of ways to prepare and lists
of supplies as well as how to assess your needs on its Community and
Family Preparedness web page. http://www.fema.gov/pte/cfp.htm

I've had kits for some time now, not just because of Y2K, not just
because of the Sept 11th attacks, but just because its the way we do
things in our house. Keeping them ready, checking them every 6-9
months, and being aware of what's going on around you becomes
natural, not paranoia. I've been married to a firefighter and
paramedic for 17 years now so that has a lot to do with it. He is
constantly surprised by how few people know where basic documents are
kept when they have simple fires or emergency health issues. It is
not a panic response to want to have your life in some order, just in
case, especially when you have children.

in peace,

Chris O'Connor

Tami Labig-Duquette

Out of curiousity :) why are you not fans of the red cross?
Indiana Tami

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From: Cindy <crma@...>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:10:35 -0700



chrisoco@... wrote:
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Joseph Fuerst" <fuerst@f...> wrote:
> > I believe the American Red Cross sells kits and/or has a list of
> > supplies for both first aid and survival items.
>
> Not a fan of the Red Cross, myself. FEMA - the Federal Emergency
> Management Agency - has a full listing of ways to prepare and lists
> of supplies as well as how to assess your needs on its Community and
> Family Preparedness web page. http://www.fema.gov/pte/cfp.htm
>
Thanks for this info. I'm not a fan of the Red Cross either.

--

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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Tami Labig-Duquette"
<labigduquette@h...> wrote:
> Out of curiousity :) why are you not fans of the red cross?

This is a generalization and is based only on my experience and that
of my husband and his fellow firefighters in and around a large urban
area. The Red Cross is king of paperwork and "assessment of need"
(read: prove you need this) rather than real and direct help in times
of need. When there's been a fire or a tornado or other disaster, we
typically refer people to the Salvation Army. If the city cop or
firefighters says this family needs this, that's all the SA needs to
provide ON THE SPOT help. Conversely, the Red Cross takes hours,
sometimes days, two to three people asking the same questions, and
enough paperwork to choke a horse. Their overhead is tremendous and
their staff is way too fat to get my money. Additionally, money does
not stay locally and cannot be designated to a specific need. Many
folks across the nation believe that they are giving to help folks in
NY with recent Red Cross fund drives. That is not true. They are
giving to a general fund that funds ALL of the Red Cross. Yes, that
certainly helps NY, but that is not what all those $$ have been
pouring in for. Check out their overhead - the portion of each dollar
that actually goes to those in need. It was an eye opener for me a
few years back.

That's it in a nutshell. My husband wouldn't give you a dime for the
whole organization. I'm not quite as critical but not a fan.

Leave it to me to enter a list with a loud opinion... sorry. I
certainly don't feel the need to change the opinions of others, nor
do I negate in positive interactions people have had with the Red
Cross. Again, this is only my family's experience and opinion and
could well be a very one-sided view. I really just wanted to get out
the info about the FEMA web page. It is very well constructed, has
served for coverage of many health and safety issues as my children
have grown. For a government entity, they do okay ;-)

in peace,

Chris O'Connor
Central Ohio

Tami Labig-Duquette

I recently just finished up a fundraising event (which is why I asked) and
it was for the tragedy in NY, i was going to give it to red cross, maybe I
should investigate further first. Thank Chris :)
Indiana Tami

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~Ghandi
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----Original Message Follows----
From: chrisoco@...
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:42:41 -0000

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Tami Labig-Duquette"
<labigduquette@h...> wrote:
> Out of curiousity :) why are you not fans of the red cross?

This is a generalization and is based only on my experience and that
of my husband and his fellow firefighters in and around a large urban
area. The Red Cross is king of paperwork and "assessment of need"
(read: prove you need this) rather than real and direct help in times
of need. When there's been a fire or a tornado or other disaster, we
typically refer people to the Salvation Army. If the city cop or
firefighters says this family needs this, that's all the SA needs to
provide ON THE SPOT help. Conversely, the Red Cross takes hours,
sometimes days, two to three people asking the same questions, and
enough paperwork to choke a horse. Their overhead is tremendous and
their staff is way too fat to get my money. Additionally, money does
not stay locally and cannot be designated to a specific need. Many
folks across the nation believe that they are giving to help folks in
NY with recent Red Cross fund drives. That is not true. They are
giving to a general fund that funds ALL of the Red Cross. Yes, that
certainly helps NY, but that is not what all those $$ have been
pouring in for. Check out their overhead - the portion of each dollar
that actually goes to those in need. It was an eye opener for me a
few years back.

That's it in a nutshell. My husband wouldn't give you a dime for the
whole organization. I'm not quite as critical but not a fan.

Leave it to me to enter a list with a loud opinion... sorry. I
certainly don't feel the need to change the opinions of others, nor
do I negate in positive interactions people have had with the Red
Cross. Again, this is only my family's experience and opinion and
could well be a very one-sided view. I really just wanted to get out
the info about the FEMA web page. It is very well constructed, has
served for coverage of many health and safety issues as my children
have grown. For a government entity, they do okay ;-)

in peace,

Chris O'Connor
Central Ohio



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Lynda

Wellll, ya didn't ask me but I'm going to chime in with some first hand
experience from several disasters the latest of which was Loma Prieta.

Although they say that the money stays local, it doesn't and when it was
needed it wasn't there. It took weeks to get stuff done.

Where was the money, you ask? Well, at that point in time it had gone to
national and the big wigs were taking vacations to Europe with their
families, supposedly to attend conference--once, twice and sometimes three
times in one month. There were major questions asked and when the answers
weren't acceptable was when Lizzie Dole stepped down.

this is not, before anyone jumps in, anti-Republican. My boss, at the time,
was the head of the local chapter of red X and he was an absolute rabid,
frothing at the mouth Republican. My info as to where the money went came
from him and I was the one that had to put through all the phone calls and
take all the messages. Also, the mayor of SF took them to court to get the
money back.

Lynda

----- Original Message -----
From: Tami Labig-Duquette <labigduquette@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits


> Out of curiousity :) why are you not fans of the red cross?
> Indiana Tami
>
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world"
> ~Ghandi
> Networking for Central Indiana unschoolers :)
> http://communities.msn.com/ChildLedLearninginIndiana
> Children Leading the Way!
> http://[email protected]
> http://[email protected]
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Cindy <crma@...>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:10:35 -0700
>
>
>
> chrisoco@... wrote:
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Joseph Fuerst" <fuerst@f...> wrote:
> > > I believe the American Red Cross sells kits and/or has a list of
> > > supplies for both first aid and survival items.
> >
> > Not a fan of the Red Cross, myself. FEMA - the Federal Emergency
> > Management Agency - has a full listing of ways to prepare and lists
> > of supplies as well as how to assess your needs on its Community and
> > Family Preparedness web page. http://www.fema.gov/pte/cfp.htm
> >
> Thanks for this info. I'm not a fan of the Red Cross either.
>
> --
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
>
>
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I would check out the Robinhood Foundation and Salvation Army.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Tami Labig-Duquette <labigduquette@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits


> I recently just finished up a fundraising event (which is why I asked) and
> it was for the tragedy in NY, i was going to give it to red cross, maybe I
> should investigate further first. Thank Chris :)
> Indiana Tami
>
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world"
> ~Ghandi
> Networking for Central Indiana unschoolers :)
> http://communities.msn.com/ChildLedLearninginIndiana
> Children Leading the Way!
> http://[email protected]
> http://[email protected]
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: chrisoco@...
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:42:41 -0000
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Tami Labig-Duquette"
> <labigduquette@h...> wrote:
> > Out of curiousity :) why are you not fans of the red cross?
>
> This is a generalization and is based only on my experience and that
> of my husband and his fellow firefighters in and around a large urban
> area. The Red Cross is king of paperwork and "assessment of need"
> (read: prove you need this) rather than real and direct help in times
> of need. When there's been a fire or a tornado or other disaster, we
> typically refer people to the Salvation Army. If the city cop or
> firefighters says this family needs this, that's all the SA needs to
> provide ON THE SPOT help. Conversely, the Red Cross takes hours,
> sometimes days, two to three people asking the same questions, and
> enough paperwork to choke a horse. Their overhead is tremendous and
> their staff is way too fat to get my money. Additionally, money does
> not stay locally and cannot be designated to a specific need. Many
> folks across the nation believe that they are giving to help folks in
> NY with recent Red Cross fund drives. That is not true. They are
> giving to a general fund that funds ALL of the Red Cross. Yes, that
> certainly helps NY, but that is not what all those $$ have been
> pouring in for. Check out their overhead - the portion of each dollar
> that actually goes to those in need. It was an eye opener for me a
> few years back.
>
> That's it in a nutshell. My husband wouldn't give you a dime for the
> whole organization. I'm not quite as critical but not a fan.
>
> Leave it to me to enter a list with a loud opinion... sorry. I
> certainly don't feel the need to change the opinions of others, nor
> do I negate in positive interactions people have had with the Red
> Cross. Again, this is only my family's experience and opinion and
> could well be a very one-sided view. I really just wanted to get out
> the info about the FEMA web page. It is very well constructed, has
> served for coverage of many health and safety issues as my children
> have grown. For a government entity, they do okay ;-)
>
> in peace,
>
> Chris O'Connor
> Central Ohio
>
>
>
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Thanks Lynda :) I should have directly asked you, you are a vessel of
information :)
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From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:24:31 -0700

I would check out the Robinhood Foundation and Salvation Army.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Tami Labig-Duquette <labigduquette@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits


> I recently just finished up a fundraising event (which is why I asked)
and
> it was for the tragedy in NY, i was going to give it to red cross, maybe
I
> should investigate further first. Thank Chris :)
> Indiana Tami
>
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world"
> ~Ghandi
> Networking for Central Indiana unschoolers :)
> http://communities.msn.com/ChildLedLearninginIndiana
> Children Leading the Way!
> http://[email protected]
> http://[email protected]
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: chrisoco@...
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Survival Kits
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:42:41 -0000
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Tami Labig-Duquette"
> <labigduquette@h...> wrote:
> > Out of curiousity :) why are you not fans of the red cross?
>
> This is a generalization and is based only on my experience and that
> of my husband and his fellow firefighters in and around a large urban
> area. The Red Cross is king of paperwork and "assessment of need"
> (read: prove you need this) rather than real and direct help in times
> of need. When there's been a fire or a tornado or other disaster, we
> typically refer people to the Salvation Army. If the city cop or
> firefighters says this family needs this, that's all the SA needs to
> provide ON THE SPOT help. Conversely, the Red Cross takes hours,
> sometimes days, two to three people asking the same questions, and
> enough paperwork to choke a horse. Their overhead is tremendous and
> their staff is way too fat to get my money. Additionally, money does
> not stay locally and cannot be designated to a specific need. Many
> folks across the nation believe that they are giving to help folks in
> NY with recent Red Cross fund drives. That is not true. They are
> giving to a general fund that funds ALL of the Red Cross. Yes, that
> certainly helps NY, but that is not what all those $$ have been
> pouring in for. Check out their overhead - the portion of each dollar
> that actually goes to those in need. It was an eye opener for me a
> few years back.
>
> That's it in a nutshell. My husband wouldn't give you a dime for the
> whole organization. I'm not quite as critical but not a fan.
>
> Leave it to me to enter a list with a loud opinion... sorry. I
> certainly don't feel the need to change the opinions of others, nor
> do I negate in positive interactions people have had with the Red
> Cross. Again, this is only my family's experience and opinion and
> could well be a very one-sided view. I really just wanted to get out
> the info about the FEMA web page. It is very well constructed, has
> served for coverage of many health and safety issues as my children
> have grown. For a government entity, they do okay ;-)
>
> in peace,
>
> Chris O'Connor
> Central Ohio
>
>
>
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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., chrisoco@a... wrote:
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Tami Labig-Duquette"
> <labigduquette@h...> wrote:

<<<I really just wanted to get out
the info about the FEMA web page. It is very well constructed, has
served for coverage of many health and safety issues as my children
have grown. For a government entity, they do okay ;-)>>>


Doesn't FEMA have the ability to run the government and enforce
marshall law in a nat'l state of emergency? I remember reading some
subversive literature a decade ago that pretty much equated FEMA with
satan, though I'm sure their emergency preparedness tips are right
on. Any thoughts?

Barb Eaton

Chris,
Glad to see you here! Thanks for the link. :-)

Barb E

on 10/22/01 11:54 AM, chrisoco@... at chrisoco@... wrote:

> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Joseph Fuerst" <fuerst@f...> wrote:
>> I believe the American Red Cross sells kits and/or has a list of
>> supplies for both first aid and survival items.
>
> Not a fan of the Red Cross, myself. FEMA - the Federal Emergency
> Management Agency - has a full listing of ways to prepare and lists
> of supplies as well as how to assess your needs on its Community and
> Family Preparedness web page. http://www.fema.gov/pte/cfp.htm
> in peace,
>
> Chris O'Connor