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Someone in a recent post mentioned really liking an author or speaker from the Oprah show. Another person said she couldn't stand the man and a third person said she loved to listen to him despite the fact that she hated him.

Basically, that's how I feel about Laura Schleisinger. I find myself wanting to listen if she's on when I'm in the car, and sometimes I even agree with her. Usually I find her maddening and demeaning and irritating.

I distinctly remember her being very anti-homeschooling awhile back, but recently I've heard her make some pretty pro-hsing statements. Does anyone know if she's had a change of heart?

Susan

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In a message dated 9/30/01 10:44:40 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
strandbe@... writes:


>
> Basically, that's how I feel about Laura Schleisinger. I find myself
> wanting to listen if she's on when I'm in the car, and sometimes I even
> agree with her. Usually I find her maddening and demeaning and irritating.
>

There are also times when I agree with her, and I have learned some things
from her. But I also usually don't care for her approach. I guess at this
point I think that her style apparently serves a purpose or she wouldn't be
so popular. At one point in my life I was deperate for wisdom and insight no
matter what tone it was delivered in. At that time she didn't seem all that
bad. I thought that I, and others as well, must need to be beat in the head
with something to get it. But getting through that, I don't want to learn in
that fashion in an everyday atmosphere. And I've known other counselors that
achieve the same, if not better, results without the shaming and rudeness.

Brenda


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Lynda

Yuck <g> Dr. Laura, Judge Judy, Dr. Phil the professional witness, Rush and
a few others are no different than the shock jocks regardless of how they
like to pretend otherwise! There is a whole epidemic of just because we are
on television/radio, we get to declare ourselves experts and be rude. Dr.
Laura needs to clean up her own backyard before she tells others how to
live. Judge Judy spends about half her time on air bending or breaking the
laws she is supposed to be enforcing and then there are the cases where she
simply doesn't have a clue at all! Dr. Phil and his 15 minute pre-show
interviews and instant diagnosis as an excuse to berate people is just soooo
professional. And, Rush, well, enough said!

Sure can't blame folks in other countries if they call us "rude Americans"
if all they have ever seen is all the self-professed experts on our tv and
radio shows!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Dr. Laura


> In a message dated 9/30/01 10:44:40 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> strandbe@... writes:
>
>
> >
> > Basically, that's how I feel about Laura Schleisinger. I find myself
> > wanting to listen if she's on when I'm in the car, and sometimes I even
> > agree with her. Usually I find her maddening and demeaning and
irritating.
> >
>
> There are also times when I agree with her, and I have learned some things
> from her. But I also usually don't care for her approach. I guess at this
> point I think that her style apparently serves a purpose or she wouldn't
be
> so popular. At one point in my life I was deperate for wisdom and insight
no
> matter what tone it was delivered in. At that time she didn't seem all
that
> bad. I thought that I, and others as well, must need to be beat in the
head
> with something to get it. But getting through that, I don't want to learn
in
> that fashion in an everyday atmosphere. And I've known other counselors
that
> achieve the same, if not better, results without the shaming and rudeness.
>
> Brenda
>
>
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>
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In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:44:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
strandbe@... writes:


> I distinctly remember her being very anti-homeschooling awhile back, but
> recently I've heard her make some pretty pro-hsing statements. Does anyone
> know if she's had a change of heart?
>
> Susan
>
I have the same feelings exactly about her Susan. . . my daughter and I both
like to listen to her but despise some of what she says. As far as I know,
she has been pro homeschooling for a while now . . . she even has a kit she
sends out. . . a lot about curriculumn's. . . I feel pretty sure she would be
very anti unschooling though.

lovemary


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Now come on Lynda. . .tell us how you really feel!! ;)

lovemary


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Bridget

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., lite2yu@a... wrote:
> I have the same feelings exactly about her Susan. . . my daughter
and I both
> like to listen to her but despise some of what she says.


I haven't listened but my impression is that she is very Anti-
homosexual, Anti-sex-outside-of-marriage, pro-church, anti-feminist
(although I know she calls it something else), pro-confirmity. So is
my impression way off the mark? Where & how?

Bridget

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In a message dated 10/1/2001 9:51:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rumpleteasermom@... writes:


> I haven't listened but my impression is that she is very Anti-
> homosexual, Anti-sex-outside-of-marriage, pro-church, anti-feminist
> (although I know she calls it something else), pro-confirmity. So is
> my impression way off the mark? Where & how?
>
>

Umm. . .no I think you are right on the mark there. . . .what I like is her
attitude about parents being responsible for children and having a parent
home with the kids. I do agree that her methods are oftentimes rude and
obnoxious. Sometimes we will listen for about 15 minutes or so in the car. .
. lots of times it serves as a jumping block for some cool conversations
about things.

lovemary


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Bridget

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., lite2yu@a... wrote:

> Umm. . .no I think you are right on the mark there. . . .what I
like is her
> attitude about parents being responsible for children and having a
parent
> home with the kids. I do agree that her methods are oftentimes rude
and
> obnoxious. Sometimes we will listen for about 15 minutes or so in
the car. .
> . lots of times it serves as a jumping block for some cool
conversations
> about things.
>
> lovemary
>

I agree with the fact that it is my job to be a parent to my child
not society's job or any part of it. However, I bet she would not
approve of my parenting for lots of reasons! And I suspect she would
disapprove of unschooling in general.

Bridget

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In a message dated 10/01/2001 3:44:42 AM !!!First Boot!!!, strandbe@...
writes:


> Does anyone know if she's had a change of heart?
>
> Susan
>
>


Yes. She has.

Nance



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Lynda

A quote "No sex before marriage, no marriage before 30, no abortions, no day
care. And above all- stop whining!" She had a messy divorce from first
hubby, hasn't spoken to her mother in over a decade, and at one point posed
nude (not a good mental image <g>). She calls gays and lesbians "biological
errors." "all feminists are "demented" "activism will close your mind"
"if you lived right you'd have no need for an abortion" All minorities are
"lazy and need to quite whining."

According to her you can't marry out of your religion unless you plan on
having no children because "your children will be tragically confused."

And all children should we "kicked out of the house at the age of 18" and
get a college education on their own with out monetary help from their
parents.

Her degree (phd) is in physiology and she has a cert in hypnosis and sex
therapy which she obviously learned nothing about. she also calls herself
"hypereducated."

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Bridget <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:50 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Dr. Laura


> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., lite2yu@a... wrote:
> > I have the same feelings exactly about her Susan. . . my daughter
> and I both
> > like to listen to her but despise some of what she says.
>
>
> I haven't listened but my impression is that she is very Anti-
> homosexual, Anti-sex-outside-of-marriage, pro-church, anti-feminist
> (although I know she calls it something else), pro-confirmity. So is
> my impression way off the mark? Where & how?
>
> Bridget
>
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In a message dated 10/1/01 1:22:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:


> According to her you can't marry out of your religion unless you plan on
> having no children because "your children will be tragically confused."
>

Is that what happened to her!?

(I've been magically or luckily spared ever hearing the woman. Maybe I'll
set a world record and never hear any, but this stuff you folks are posting
is pretty scary. Bummer anyone's listening to her.)

Sandra


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Lynda

I caught a news bleep several years ago where the mics were open and she
didn't know it. The way she treated her son was absolutely disgusting! I
had never heard of her before. So, I went and did some research and then
watched one show. No thank you!

There are some folks that no matter how much good they may inadvertantly do,
do so much more damage that they should permanently lose their voices!

The first show I caught she was derating some woman telling her that the
only reason her son got in trouble (he was having problems in school) was
because she hadn't made an effort to be a SAHM. Well, the woman had been
deserted and never received any child support so what was she suppose to do.
She said she had been on welfare for awhile to stay home when the kid was
small. she got cut off there and berated as a leach on society for using
welfare. I shut off the radio.

A couple of years later a friend suggested I give her another try because
she had mellowed and was not so rude. yeah right! She was busy that day
gay and black bashing and when someone called her on it she hung up on them
and then lit into them about bringing moral decay to this country.

Lynda
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Dr. Laura


> In a message dated 10/1/01 1:22:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> lurine@... writes:
>
>
> > According to her you can't marry out of your religion unless you plan on
> > having no children because "your children will be tragically confused."
> >
>
> Is that what happened to her!?
>
> (I've been magically or luckily spared ever hearing the woman. Maybe I'll
> set a world record and never hear any, but this stuff you folks are
posting
> is pretty scary. Bummer anyone's listening to her.)
>
> Sandra
>
>
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>
>
>The first time I heard her was many years ago - before she even went to
>national syndication. She was too "in your face" for my tastes but as
>her popularity has gained so has her rudeness. She did have a TV show
>for a while but I think it didn't work out, I think, I hope!

It didn't work out because of her gay bashing. Enough people must have
told the networks that they wouldn't buy products advertised on her show
that they pulled it. I'm glad. She's got an ego big enough for everyone
on Earth and then some.
Tia


>It is too bad people are watching her and are calling her. But then I
>think the same thing about the Jerry Springer show and most of the
>talk shows on TV or radio.
>
>My DH and I used to listen to a guy who did a financial show on the
>weekends - he has risen in popularity and the last time we were out
>we noticed how rude he'd become. We don't listen to him anymore now.
>--
>
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>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1518
>Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2001, 1:15 PM
>

>>The first time I heard her was many years ago - before she even went to
>>national syndication. She was too "in your face" for my tastes but as
>>her popularity has gained so has her rudeness. She did have a TV show
>>for a while but I think it didn't work out, I think, I hope!
>
> It didn't work out because of her gay bashing.

I don't know if that was it -- I watched it a few times and I think it
failed simply because it was mind-numbingly BORING. Her radio show (if one
likes her style) is much more entertaining.

Pam

Lynda

she lost her sponsors (Xerox, United Airlines, Toys R Us, More.com, Home
Base, Geico and a few other) because of a letter writing campaign due to her
attacks on gays and minorities.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Pam Hartley <pamhartley@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Dr. Laura


> ----------
> >From: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1518
> >Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2001, 1:15 PM
> >
>
> >>The first time I heard her was many years ago - before she even went to
> >>national syndication. She was too "in your face" for my tastes but as
> >>her popularity has gained so has her rudeness. She did have a TV show
> >>for a while but I think it didn't work out, I think, I hope!
> >
> > It didn't work out because of her gay bashing.
>
> I don't know if that was it -- I watched it a few times and I think it
> failed simply because it was mind-numbingly BORING. Her radio show (if one
> likes her style) is much more entertaining.
>
> Pam
>
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Bridget most people that do not listen to Dr. Laura have been very influenced by what special interest groups have to say about her. I have listened to her and made up my own mind. Sometimes I agree with her, sometimes I don't. My husband felt very much like you do until he actually listened to her show a few times, now he feels differently. She has helped me feel more satisfaction with my decision to stay-at-home with me kids. There are so many pressures for women to work outside the home and to feel there is very little value in spending the majority of their day raising their families that I appreciate her efforts to support my decision. I don't think America needs more good daycare like people like Hilary Clinton think. Just my opinion.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: [a moment's peace


How does Dr. Laura irritate me?
Let me count the ways . . .
1. Her belief that gays are inferior and should be cured.
August 9, 1999 radio show
http://www.horizonsfoundation.org/drlaura.htm

2. Her refusal to acknowledge legally recognized religious groups
outside of the Judeo-Christian faith.
http://www.magickalcauldron.com/laura.html

3. Her doctorate is NOT in Psychology yet she allows that impression
to linger.
See link in #1

4. Hypocrisy:
{Ironically, in the Sept. 2000 edition of her Dr. Laura
Perspective magazine, Laura endorses the same strategies GLAAD
employed. In the second part of her "Kids & Sex" article, Laura
says: "Write to the source of any offensive content and tell them of
your concerns. Write that not only will you stop watching the program
or reading the publication because of the stories or advertisements,
but you will also go out of your way not to purchase the sponsors'
products and will encourage others to avoid them as well" [p. 7].
This is exactly the kind of campaign GLAAD orchestrated. But when
GLAAD contacts advertisers, it's intimidation and threats. When Laura
does it, it's "improving your village."}
http://www.glaad.org/org/publications/documents/index.html?record=2742

5. Her idea that the ALA (that's the American Library Association)
is evil and that Go Ask Alice, a web site they promote and whichis
hosted by Columbia University, promotes immorality.
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/index.html
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/05/27/dr_laura/index.html

6. She is anti-Planned Parenthood
http://www.drlaura.com/letters/index.html?mode=view&tile=1&id=1837

7. I'm tired of looking at this now! I get the feeling she is anti-
feminist but haven't found a specific link for that. I also think
her hypocrisy runs deep in more ways than I have above.

You may consider her a child advocate but her comments about the "Go
Ask Alice" sight show that she is somewhat less than informed IMHO.

Bridget


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@y...>
wrote:

> I guess this could get me flamed but I have been a Dr. Laura fan
for years. It is hard for me to dislike someone who is such a strong
child advocate. She is very conservative and does advocate strict
rules which I am beginning to see can lead to problems. But I still
think she has a lot of good insight into many things.
>
> Pat
>


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I've listened. I still don't like her.

Bridget

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@y...>
wrote:
> Bridget most people that do not listen to Dr. Laura have been very
influenced by what special interest groups have to say about her. I
have listened to her and made up my own mind. Sometimes I agree with
her, sometimes I don't. My husband felt very much like you do until
he actually listened to her show a few times, now he feels
differently. She has helped me feel more satisfaction with my
decision to stay-at-home with me kids. There are so many pressures
for women to work outside the home and to feel there is very little
value in spending the majority of their day raising their families
that I appreciate her efforts to support my decision. I don't think
America needs more good daycare like people like Hilary Clinton
think. Just my opinion.
>
> Pat

Lynda

I've listened and then did some research on her as a person and I despise
her. Her, Dr. Phil, Howard Stern and a whole slug of other shock jocks. I
also don't have to much use for folks who call themselves "doctors" when
they have absolutely NO education/training in the subject areas that they
proclaim themselves to be experts in.

And, I'm not sure that their helping some folks or entertaining some folks
really balanced out the damage they do.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:18 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Dr. Laura


> I've listened. I still don't like her.
>
> Bridget
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@y...>
> wrote:
> > Bridget most people that do not listen to Dr. Laura have been very
> influenced by what special interest groups have to say about her. I
> have listened to her and made up my own mind. Sometimes I agree with
> her, sometimes I don't. My husband felt very much like you do until
> he actually listened to her show a few times, now he feels
> differently. She has helped me feel more satisfaction with my
> decision to stay-at-home with me kids. There are so many pressures
> for women to work outside the home and to feel there is very little
> value in spending the majority of their day raising their families
> that I appreciate her efforts to support my decision. I don't think
> America needs more good daycare like people like Hilary Clinton
> think. Just my opinion.
> >
> > Pat
>
>
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"Pat Cald..." wrote:
>
> Bridget most people that do not listen to Dr. Laura have been very influenced by what special interest groups have to say about her. I have listened to her and made up my own mind.
>
I have listened to Dr. Laura and I agree with what Bridget said. I don't
care for bigotry and rudeness from anyone. I turn her off when her show
comes on. I didn't like her before she started bashing gays and before
she got really, really popular!

--

Cindy Ferguson
crma@...

Tia Leschke

>I've listened. I still don't like her.

So did I. And it's one thing to make staying at home with children a more
doable choice for women. It's another to insist on it. Especially when
the one doing the insisting didn't.
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

rumpleteasermom

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
>
> So did I. And it's one thing to make staying at home with children
a more
> doable choice for women. It's another to insist on it. Especially
when
> the one doing the insisting didn't.
> Tia
>

Yes! Exactly! I too, think there should always be a parent
available. I think if one can stay home then he OR she should.
However, I also realize that every case is different and sometimes it
just is not possible to make thing work out this way. Those people
have to feel pretty belittled when they hear someone like her condemn
their actions. And that's a big problem with Dr. Laura. She doesn't
just make recommendations, she make condemnations.

Bridget

Tia Leschke

>Those people
>have to feel pretty belittled when they hear someone like her condemn
>their actions. And that's a big problem with Dr. Laura. She doesn't
>just make recommendations, she make condemnations.

Exactly!
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

Leslie Moyer

+ Yes! Exactly! I too, think there should always be a parent
+ available. I think if one can stay home then he OR she should.

Men don't have lactating breasts...they can't produce human milk. Yes, I do
believe that if one can't stay home, the other should, but men and women are
not interchangeable. I have had a problem with Dr. Laura's idea that "mom"
or "dad" makes no difference to the baby. It does.

I like Dr. Laura OK because she is entertaining. If I listen to it with the
idea that she is *entertaining* people as opposed to *helping* them, then I
can listen to her. I get mad; I turn her off. Happens a lot. But if
nothing is on NPR's morning show that I'm interested in, I will switch her
on as a second choice if I'm in the car.

--Leslie Moyer

rumpleteasermom

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Leslie Moyer" <LeslieMoyer@g...>
wrote:

> Men don't have lactating breasts...they can't produce human milk.
Yes, I do
> believe that if one can't stay home, the other should, but men and
women are
> not interchangeable. I have had a problem with Dr. Laura's idea
that "mom"
> or "dad" makes no difference to the baby. It does.

Yes I agree, but I was thinking in terms of older kids. Whenever I
had an infact, I either did not work or cut my hour back to the bare
minimum. I think it was less than 10 a week - I was teaching craft
classes. Once they were bigger and I took a job with more hours, it
did not matter which of us was home only that one of us was. Of
course I have an excellent dh. He's a great parent - if he had been
like his friends are with their kids, I probably would feel
differently. Of course if he were like his friends, I wouldn't have
married him in the first place!

Bridget