Joseph Fuerst

Bridget:
I did not see where anyone accused you of being dysfunctional and co-dep;
possibly I missed it from trying to bypass some of the more ridiculous turns
some discuaaions have taken in recent weeks.

I must say, however, that I see in your post the attempt to inflame the
issue. If you see Sandra's post about abuse as directed at you
personally......I've gotta say I wonder what inside of YOU made you see it
that way - ? - ? -

I noticed you used the word ASSUME in your response, as in "I can only
assume you lump me into that category too." Please remember what happens
when one ASSumes!
Suz - who has had a crazy week wrestling with an old sewing
machine......and hasn't had time to thank some on this list for the
foot/shoe information.......I'm trying to get back on track!!!! :-)

Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@...>
> Subject: abuse
>
>
> <<<"You are abusing your child if you aren't parenting exactly like
> me.">>
>
> >I think the implication was that you weren't unschooling, not that it
> was
> >abusive.
>
> Actually, I was told that we are dysfunctional and co-dependent. I was
> told I am not unschooling before any of you had anything but an inkling
> of how my household runs. I've seen enough to turn that back on every
> one of the people who said it. but I haven't done it. What I have
> realized is that many of the very people who were accusing me of being
> too rigid with my children are actually MORE rigid than I am and seem to
> respect their children less. At least that is what could be taken from
> several posts I've read since then. But, I haven't generalized or made
> assumptions about the people posting because I understand that I am just
> seeing a little sliver of their lives. I may comment on what they have
> said but I don't extrapolate from the fact that one does not allow her
> child to ride a bike alone that she also forces her to sit and write
> sentences against her will all day long. That would be as unfair as
> assuming that because my family has a job list, I must have coerced them
> into it.
>
> And Sandra, here is what you said:
>
> #26320
> And some of them are NOT doing the best they can do, they have a
> veneer-thin overlay
> of justification for child abuse, or they themselves are so hard-hearted
> and
> cold that they don't see that their children are being harmed to the
> point
> that they, those children, could become a danger to all of OUR children
> in
> their frustration.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> In light of recent conversations, and the fact that you insisted on
> telling me that my children must be depressed because of me, I can only
> assume you lump me into that category too.
>
> At least one person on this list still insists on painting me as an
> abusive mother of a dysfunctional family and, yeah, I resent that. And
> yet not a single person has asked if my children are HAPPY before
> condemning me.
>
> Bridget
>
>
> OO oo 00 oo OO 00 oo OO oo 00 oo OO 00 oo OO oo 00
> oo OO 00 oo
> And the Geezer says:
> "Back in my day, 'Astral Projection' meant mooning someone!"
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:59:29 -0000
> From: "Bridget" <rumpleteasermom@...>
> Subject: Re: better/worse/values discussions
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., lite2yu@a... wrote:
>
> > My intent has been to explain my viewpoint and have it
> > respected as that. I don't think that is too much to ask. . .
> however, when
> > someone says I am dishonest and pretending in having my beliefs, I
> sure am
> > going to speak out about it. That is not drama. . . that is truth.
> >
> > lovemary
> >
>
> Do you perhaps have a new understanding and appreciation of what I
> went through a few weeks ago?
>
> Bridget
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:06:04 EDT
> From: lite2yu@...
> Subject: Re: Re: sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2001 1:37:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> saninocencio@... writes:
>
>
> > Lovemary, are you
> > saying the choices you make in your life are not an attempt to choose
the
> > better path? Or are you saying some people think they are better because
of
> > the choices they have made?
> > Johanna
> >
>
> What I have said is that I do not believe being on a certain path, like
> unschooling since this is our focus here, is a better path than going to
> school, in general terms. For me and my family, this is our choice because
my
> instincts and beliefs have led me to this point. I do not believe I am a
> better mom now than when I was before, although we have always unschooled.
I
> do not believe I am better than others who choose another way. People in
lots
> of situations think they are better for the choices they make/made. In my
> opinipon, that is where as a soceity we feel separateness and this leads
to a
> lot of problems we have, including what happened on Sept 11. This is on a
> much more global scale, but I believe it's a simple problem with simple
> solutions, yet very complex at the same time. I believe life is full of
> paradoxes such as this. I know. . . I went much further than what you
asked,
> but there you go.
>
> lovemary
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:07:48 -0000
> From: "Bridget" <rumpleteasermom@...>
> Subject: Re: sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Johanna SanInocencio"
> <saninocencio@c...> wrote:
> > Lovemary, are you
> > saying the choices you make in your life are not an attempt to
> choose the
> > better path? Or are you saying some people think they are better
> because of
> > the choices they have made?
> > Johanna
>
> I think she is saying that just because 'jalapeno fudge' is right for
> her, it does not mean that 'chocolate jicama' can't be right for
> someone else. We all have to discover what is right for us because
> only we are here in our lives.
>
> Bridget
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:23:04 -0000
> From: Wilkinson6@...
> Subject: Re: better/worse/values discussions
>
> From what I remember of reading, just the beginning of the book.
> There is no cosmic right or wrong. That is something we humans have
> invented. There is just experience. God wants to experience, and we
> (which are really factors of him/it/....) are what is used to do that.
> I'm sure lovemary will correct any misconceptions I may have gotten
> from the first few chapters. I did find the book very interesting,
> but my aunt stopped sending me the chapters she was photocopying so I
> and others could read it, and I never went and got the book myself.
>
> Joanna
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Fetteroll <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> > on 9/27/01 10:09 PM, lite2yu@a... at lite2yu@a... wrote:
> >
> > > I really resent the implication that because I dont have this
> belief that I
> > > am dishonest or pretending. . . that is total lack of respect for
> anothers
> > > views.
> >
> > Perhaps the questioning feels like an attack and as though people
> are trying
> > to get you to change your mind. But people are really just trying to
> > understand. This philosophy raises a lot of questions and basically
> you're
> > the only one who can answer them.
> >
> > The philosophy seems to be saying in a way what the Indian greeting
> > "Namaste" says: "I honor that place in you where the whole Universe
> resides.
> > And when I am in that place in me and you are in that place in you,
> there is
> > only one of us."
> >
> > I can see how getting people to a place where they can feel that
> everyone's
> > soul is equal would be a peacefilled place. I can see respecting
> that people
> > are where they are because their journey has been much different. I
> can see
> > how someone feeling pride that their position is superior to other
> people's
> > could make the prideful person stop growing and self-examining.
> >
> > I can see that judgementalism and pride can lead to some unhealthy
> places.
> > But I'm not seeing how eliminating judgementalism and pride -- if
> that's
> > what this philosophy is about -- doesn't have it's own pitfalls.
> (Which is
> > all that people are asking in their own way.)
> >
> > How would your philosophy handle abusive, hurtful parenting and
> nurturing
> > parenting? I can't see how one isn't better than the other. How can
> eating
> > food not be better than eating sand? How can music not be better
> than
> > fingernails on a chalkboard?
> >
> > Too often, I think, people judge things on a limited number of
> factors, eg,
> > a more expensive bigger house is better than a less expensive
> smaller house.
> > Yet there are hundreds of factors that could make the smaller house
> more
> > suitable in a particular situation. How does the philosophy avoid
> > acknowledging that more suitable isn't better? That pros
> outweighing cons
> > isn't better?
> >
> > But sometimes one factor is all it takes, eg, a family style that
> creates
> > loving people versus one that creates hatefilled people.
> >
> > I'm very confused and just trying to understand.
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:59:14 EDT
> From: lite2yu@...
> Subject: Re: Re: better/worse/values discussions
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2001 7:20:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> fetteroll@... writes:
>
>
> > Perhaps the questioning feels like an attack and as though people are
trying
> > to get you to change your mind. But people are really just trying to
> > understand. This philosophy raises a lot of questions and basically
you're
> > the only one who can answer them.
> >
>
> It was not a questioning I was replying to. . . it was this statement
> <<<I do think, though, that there are some things that are just better,
and
> pretending otherwise is dishonest. >>>
>
> I'm not sure this statement reflects a desire to understand. . .I could
be
> wrong but to me it says I am dishonest if I don't believe in the
betterness
> theory.
>
>
> > The philosophy seems to be saying in a way what the Indian greeting
> > "Namaste" says: "I honor that place in you where the whole Universe
resides.
> > And when I am in that place in me and you are in that place in you,
there is
> > only one of us."
> >
> > I can see how getting people to a place where they can feel that
everyone's
> > soul is equal would be a peacefilled place. I can see respecting that
people
> > are where they are because their journey has been much different. I can
see
> > how someone feeling pride that their position is superior to other
people's
> > could make the prideful person stop growing and self-examining.
> >
> > I can see that judgementalism and pride can lead to some unhealthy
places.
> > But I'm not seeing how eliminating judgementalism and pride -- if that's
> > what this philosophy is about -- doesn't have it's own pitfalls. (Which
is
> > all that people are asking in their own way.)
>
>
> What do you see as the pitfalls of not being judgemental?
>
> >
> > How would your philosophy handle abusive, hurtful parenting and
nurturing
> > parenting? I can't see how one isn't better than the other. How can
eating
> > food not be better than eating sand? How can music not be better than
> > fingernails on a chalkboard?
>
>
> By perception. The way I handle abusive parenting is by reaching out to
the
> parent (still very difficult for me to do, although my husband is great at
> it) and offering a helping hand. You may not be able to see how one isn't
> better, because you are not in that situation. . . you are not on THAT
> particular soul's journey. I don't know what those two souls may be
working
> on on a cosmic scale. . . some particular lesson or growth they may be
trying
> to accomplish. It doesn't mean I can't step in and offer assistance, as
that
> may be my role in observing them. . . but I cannot say that I personally
am
> better than that parent, because to me, I simply am not.
>
> >
> > Too often, I think, people judge things on a limited number of factors,
eg,
> > a more expensive bigger house is better than a less expensive smaller
house.
> > Yet there are hundreds of factors that could make the smaller house more
> > suitable in a particular situation. How does the philosophy avoid
> > acknowledging that more suitable isn't better? That pros outweighing
cons
> > isn't better?
>
> I think I have answered that several times already. I'm going to post
> something that explains it a bit further in another email. Thanks for the
way
> you posed your questions.
>
> lovemary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:03:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> Subject: Re: They'll learn anyway...
>
> Hi Terese
> Your story isn't trivia, and it does help me. You put
> a smile in my day.
> Thanks, Sharon
>
> > We love our brand of unschooling and have a great
> > relationship. Hope
> > this helps,
> >
> > Terese in Milwaukee
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:12:16 EDT
> From: lite2yu@...
> Subject: "Betterness"
>
> I am posting this as a way to explain a PORTION of how I believe. I am not
> interested in converting anyone to this way of thinking. . . I am not
saying
> that what you may believe is wrong or bad or "more evolved". I am putting
> forth ideas for consideration if so desired. Some people have expressed
> interest and in that vein, here you go. . .
>
>
> We had hoped that, as the quality of life continued to rise in our contry
and
> around the world, our people and especially our young people, in whom
should
> reside, it if resides anywhere, would be our promise of tomorrow. But we
are
> seeing anger displayed in our youth as we have never seen it displayed
> before, and we are frightened and deeply troubled. The brutal murder of
> Matthew Shephard, left to die on the cow fence in Wyoming, and the
startling
> events at Columbine High School shock awake once again, just when we may
> have been lulled into thinking, with our improving economic conditions and
> our seemingly greater social justice, that we are at least on the right
> track.
>
> Yet, all that is happening here is not a mystery. THere is a reason that
our
> species seems addicted to these behaviors. The reason is found in one
single
> word: "better">
>
> This one word, applied to themselves by members of the human family, has
> caused all of the ills of human society. It is our idea that we are
somehow
> "better" than another that is making us act worse. As individuals. As
> neighborhoods. As states. As nations.
>
> Many people, most people, perhaps . . . seem to think that they are
"better"
> than those around them. THey believe that their neighborhood is "better"
than
> the surrounding neighborhood, that their state is "better" than the
> neighboring state, and that their nation is better than the next nation.
>
> All of this is part of our cultural history of Competition, which arises
out
> of our cultural history of Separation. A "cultural story" is a story we
tell
> oursleves about how life is. It is based on fiction and has nothing to do
> with reality, yet it persists, becuase it is told over and over again, and
> acted out, by the members of our species who have an interest in
perpetuating
> it. Others follow the model.
>
> Our biggest cultural story, the one we have held onto the longest and that
> has spread the farthest, is The Story Of Separation. In this story, we
> imagine oursleves to be separate from God, and therefore seprate from each
> other. As with most cultural myths, this story has nothing to do with
> reality. Yet it persists, and has informed our indidvidual and collective
> ideas and actions for millinea.
>
> In truth, God and we are One. There is no separation, no disunity. And in
> truth, our fellow humans and we are One. We are as different parts of the
One
> Body, called Humanity. Yet we do not know this, or if we do know it, we
> cannot accept it. Our culture will not allow us to.
>
> Out of our cultural story of separation, comes the idea of "competition:,
for
> if we are separate from each other, then we are each on our own, and must
> compete with each other for the limited resources which we need to
survive.
> This is how the "story" goes. It is not the truth, but it is a long-told
> story, and we believe it. And so, it might as well be the truth, since
what
> you believe is true enough for you.
>
> Out of our cultural Story of Competition comes the idea of "better", for
if
> we are competing with each other, we must have a reason for ruthlessly
> pursuing victory, for doing whatever it takes to come out on top. This
> reason, we tell ourselves, is that we are Better than our opponents. We
> deserve to win. They deserve to lose. This judgement about our relative
> goodness, or "betterness", allows us to justify our actions. Any actions,
> really, that we feel we have to take in order to "win". And there's the
rub.
> For it is what we DO when we imagine ourselves to be "better" that sets
the
> stage for the human tragedy. In the name of "betterness" we humans not
only
> knock down and punch in the face of other hockey players, we not only use
> "unnecessary roughness" on our football fields, some of us "ethnically
> cleanse" our nations. Some of us claim prerogatives which are not ours.
>
> . . . . That is right, we actually end the life of others of our own
species
> because we believe we have a "better" way of approaching God, a "better"
> method of governing, a "better' reason for claiming the land, a "better"
> economic justicifation for our predatory action.
>
> That is exactly what is happening today is Ksovo. It is what has happened
> before in our human history, and it is what will happen again, unless and
> until those who write our Cultural Story do so in a new way.
>
> And so who are the writers of our story? They are, in the main, our
> religions. It is our religions that, from the beginning and to this very
day,
> have told us about oursleves. They've told us who we are, and what to
believe
> about ourselves and others. And it is religions that have fostered and
> furthered the Myth of Betterness.
>
> Because religions teach their followers that they are "better than the
> followers of other religions- so much better, in fact, that they, and only
> they, will spend the Afterlife in the presence of God- and religions claim
> and believe that this Declaration of Betterness has come directly from
God,
> cultures and traditons are ignited which give themselves permission to
hurt
> and to kill in the name of this "truth".
>
> THe irony is that religions claim that this "truth" is what will save us,
and
> in fact, it is exactly what is killing us instead. Indeed, the idea that
one
> of us, or one group of us, is somehow "better" than another, and therefore
> has a right and a need for more resources, more land, more oil, more
> whatEVER, that has caused death and destruction on this planet hte likes
of
> which the love of God could never in purity or truth justify.
>
> Today, I issue an invitation to all the world's religions. Say to your
> leaders and say to your followers this one sentence: "Our religion is no
> better than any other, and WE are no better than any other. Our way is not
a
> better way, our way is merely another way."
>
> Neil Donald Walsch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> Subject: Jicama was sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
> What is jicama?
>
> Sharon
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:20:20 EDT
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Re: sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
> I'm trying to discuss issues, which means to converse about ideas.
> I'm not trying to address individuals, although in a big meeting, people
will
> speak to the person who just spoke before them, and that's how larger,
group
> dialogs go.
>
> I very rarely look at who an e-mail is from before I read it. I'm looking
at
> what is being said, not at who is saying it. So the suggestions in rapid
> succession that I was referring to one person (which I wasn't) in making
an
> example of what I consider a very-worse way to live, and the question
about
> why I would question someone who had been supportive of me and with whom I
> had shared private e-mail are both showing a mistrust or misunderstanding
of
> what I think (perhaps wrongly) is the purpose and function of an
> informational list.
>
> I've been on lists (maybe this one a time or two, but others certainly)
where
> someone would come in and say "Hi, I'm Trixie!" and expect "Hi, Trixie!
> Welcome!" from all on the list or at least a dozen, and if they didn't get
> that, they'd huff off with how rude and unfriendly we all are.
>
> Maybe there should be welcome- and good-bye- only lists.
>
> While I have made in-person and e-mail friends in online unschooling
> exchanges, I don't see that as the purpose of the bulletin boards or
e-mail
> lists, and if that's the purpose for some people that's okay, but I really
> want to discuss and learn more about unschooling--why people do it, what
can
> cause it not to work smoothly, what kinds of ideas are shortcuts to
quicker
> understanding of it.
>
> An unschooling group met in parks or at my house (depending on weather)
for
> years and years. Some people came and stayed a long time, getting a
> longitudinal view of other people's kids' growth. Some came a time or two
> just to get ideas, legal realities, forms, examples, and then they went
off
> on their own. Some used it as a kiddie singles-bar, coming to find kids
> their kids liked, and then just operating on the side, with visits. Holly

> still hangs out with a family whose kids went to school soon after we met
> them, and whose mom runs a Kumon center--they're not unschoolers at all,
but
> they liked Holly and they "picked her up" at an unschooling meeting.
>
> So these groups are that way too. We haven't failed if someone comes here
> for a month, picks our brains, finds a couple of friends (if that's what
they
> wanted) and then drops out.
>
> But if anyone's coming here for their entire emotional support system,
that
> this will be their whole lifeline and community, I think that's an unfair
> burden to put on the group.
>
> I'm really interested in ideas--the idea (which I've heard elsewhere over
the
> past ten or twelve years too) that all ideas are equal is fascinating to
me
> because it seems so wholly wrong. I *think* (and would be interested in
any
> evidence pro or con) that it's an abberation based on the principle put
forth
> that different cultures have different, equally valid truths. What is
"Bad"
> or insane in one culture might be virtuous and commonplace in another one
> (polygamy, eating with hands, crapping in the garden at night, washing the
> car weekly, sacrificing chickens). What is sin in one religion isn't in
> another. What is acceptable in one culture isn't in another. (Holly was
> commenting on one of Judas' lines in Jesus Christ Superstar, which is
"...why
> you chose me for your bloody crime." To American ears, it refers to
> scourging and crucifixion. In England, where it was written, that's a
much
> more powerful line to be sung on stage in a big crowd of Brits. And
English
> writings of the 18th and 19th centuries described other cultures as
> "primitive" and "base" and "heathen" instead of looking at them as
legitimate
> cultures with religions and languages as important to the world as
English,
> so there was a reason to get over that attitude.)
>
> But to extend an anthropological principle to all ideas seems to me to be
to
> say that theft is as valid as purchase, or arson as is nice as picking up
> trash. This isn't the only place I've asked the question "Where is this
> coming from?" If anyone knows, I'm really, truly curious. It's not a
> question about a person's individual beliefs, it's a question about the
> history and transmission of an idea, and whether people are really
thinking
> about it or parotting something someone prominent has said. (I asked one
> friend one day whether it was in the lyrics of some 80's Sting song or
WHAT,
> that people her age seemed to accept it as some kind of truth.)
>
> I have no desire to foster any animosities nor to have loyalty to anyone
here
> which would prevent me from questioning their ideas. My real-life friends
> could tell you I am quicker to question my friends' ideas than other
> people's. I just want to talk about unschooling and related issues.
>
> I think I did take some people's personal opinions as criticism of this
list
> as a whole, or as undermining and belittling the help that's available
here.
> I forget that some people are not as analytical about their own writing
as
> others are, and don't really want to look at it or have it looked at more
> closely anyway. And I don't mean that as an insult. Some people LIKE to
> nitpick their own writing and others' to find ambiguities or interesting
> Freudian stuff, or poetic word choices. Others think that's just
irritating
> or time-wasting. I myself zone out when my cook friends are talking about
> when to add spices to different dishes because of oil infusion or bonding
or
> dissipation or whatever all weird chemical stuff they're talking about.
They
> really care; I don't. (I know enough not to drop the raw egg into the
> fresh-melted butter, though.) If I were on a cook's list, I don't think I
> would say "That's boring and I don't care." But this isn't a writing
list,
> so except that we have to use the medium of written English, writing is
> secondary.
>
> I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I was hoping people were willing
to
> answer "Why do you think that?" questions without feeling attacked.
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:24:15 EDT
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Jicama was sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
>
> In a message dated 9/28/01 9:15:42 AM, bearspawprint@... writes:
>
> << What is jicama? >>
>
> It looks like a fat turnip, and tastes like a cross between a potato and
an
> apple.
> It's eaten sliced and dipped in salt, or sometimes sliced thin for salad
> bars.
>
> It comes from Mexico and is pronounced HICK a ma and the last 1/3 of one
is
> drying up on my kitchen counter.
>
> Sandra
>
> "Everything counts."
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> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:24:23 -0000
> From: "Bridget" <rumpleteasermom@...>
> Subject: Re: Jicama was sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
> http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/vegetables/jicama.html
>
> Description - Jicama, a legume, is grown for the large tuberous roots
> which can be eaten raw or cooked and are used as a source of starch.
> The jicama plant is a vine which grows to a length of 20 feet or
> more. The roots are light brown in color, and may weigh up to 50
> pounds. Most of those on the market will weigh between three to five
> pounds.
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...>
> wrote:
> > What is jicama?
> >
> > Sharon
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:30:42 -0700
> From: freeform@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1505
>
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:09:36 EDT lite2yu@... writes:
> >> freeform@... writes:
> > > I do think, though, that there are some things that are just better,
> and
>
> > I really resent the implication that because I dont have this belief
> that I
> > am dishonest or pretending. . . that is total lack of respect for
> > anothers views.
>
> Perhaps this "implication" comes from your own fears, because it's not
> coming from me. I, and others, disagree with your views on this matter.
> Why is that so threatening?
>
> This topic reminds me of Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance, the
> topic of the whole book was quality/goodness/arete/virtue, chose your own
> term. A basic idea, as I recall, was that we naturally know quality when
> we see it, even if we can't define why something is good. Somewhere were
> the lines: "And what is good, Phaedrus? And what is not good? Need we ask
> anyone to tell us these things?" I think it's true, and I think it ties
> in to unschooling - we naturally see good, know what is right, learn what
> we need...
>
> Daron
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:07:43 -0700
> From: freeform@...
> Subject: Re: better/worse/values discussions
>
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:22:35 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
> >
> > << In what circumstances do you think school-at-home would be better
> > for any
> > kid than unschooling? >>
> >
> > When a parent has no imagination whatsoever and no willingness to take
> a
> > child anywhere interesting or get him any games, or when the parents
> > says "That is STUPID" about movies, books, magazines, games, music,
> art
> > that the child likes.
>
> I'm not sure I'd define that as unschooling. I think part of the "job" of
> an unschooling parent is to support the child's interests and give him
> opportunities to learn about different things, and someone not doing that
> is not unschooling, but neglecting.
>
> Daron
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:35:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> Subject: Re: Jicama was sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
> Can it be battered and fried? Do they save well?
> Sounds interesting.
>
> Does it grow on a HUGE vine and look sorta like a
> gourd? I think I saw some in a gardner's catalogue,
> maybe. The only grocery within an hour or so of here
> has never carried them. Perhaps I could grow some next
> year. Love new stuff once in a while.
> Sharon
>
>
> > It looks like a fat turnip, and tastes like a cross
> > between a potato and an
> > apple.
> > It's eaten sliced and dipped in salt, or sometimes
> > sliced thin for salad
> > bars.
> >
> > It comes from Mexico and is pronounced HICK a ma >
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:40:04 -0000
> From: "Bridget" <rumpleteasermom@...>
> Subject: Re: sharing knowledge, sharing lives
>
> >
> > I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I was hoping people were
> willing to
> > answer "Why do you think that?" questions without feeling attacked.
> >
> > Sandra
>
> So in message #25250 when you (Sandra) were using the pronouns 'you'
> and 'your', I was not suppose to asume you(Sandra) were saying that
> you(Sandra) believe that I(Bridget) did nothing with my kids but
> medicate them and that you(Sandra) would be depressed too if you
> lived with me(Bridget).
> That whole exchange was with the list and you were REALLY saying that
> the entire list does nothing with their children. Is that what you
> are saying here? That when you say something that looks spiteful and
> mean, we are to assume it is just a question, whether it appears that
> way or not?
>
> And yes, I know that the exchange that prompted your words above was
> not with me.
>
> Bridget
>
>
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In a message dated 9/28/2001 2:26:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fuerst@... writes:


> ." Please remember what happens
> when one ASSumes!
>

Good point Suz. . .and one I should consider as well. . . it appears I could
have made an Ass out of myself again. . .:) Thanks for the reminder about
assuming.

lovemary


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