New posters and unschooling
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-=-Is this the right group?
Hi ALL
I'm new here.
I'll listen for a day or two before I jump all over you all!
Bridget-=-
Bridget, you didn't wait for a day or two, so try to accept the response of a
large, established group of unschoolers to some of your suggestions.
-=-Yes, but I think it depends on the child too. I have two that can walk
away and do other things but my third will sit in front of the TV or
computer ALL day if not told to do other things. I'm not exaggerating
either when I say ALL day. He will watch one movie after another, the
same movie over and over or cooking show, cartoons and construction
shows.-=-
This has been discussed at great length at www.unschooling.com (which I
highly recommend everyone on this list read), and watching movies over and
over, watching cooking shows, cartoons and construction shows could easily be
greater learning activity than those other children who found something else
to do.
In the longrun, over a lifetime looking back, what you told him to do will
rarely prove to have been as good for him as what he chose to do.
Sandra
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Hi ALL
I'm new here.
I'll listen for a day or two before I jump all over you all!
Bridget-=-
Bridget, you didn't wait for a day or two, so try to accept the response of a
large, established group of unschoolers to some of your suggestions.
-=-Yes, but I think it depends on the child too. I have two that can walk
away and do other things but my third will sit in front of the TV or
computer ALL day if not told to do other things. I'm not exaggerating
either when I say ALL day. He will watch one movie after another, the
same movie over and over or cooking show, cartoons and construction
shows.-=-
This has been discussed at great length at www.unschooling.com (which I
highly recommend everyone on this list read), and watching movies over and
over, watching cooking shows, cartoons and construction shows could easily be
greater learning activity than those other children who found something else
to do.
In the longrun, over a lifetime looking back, what you told him to do will
rarely prove to have been as good for him as what he chose to do.
Sandra
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Ok I will admit that I have not been keeping up on the posts (buried
in work and am currently visiting my dad in Texas) but I had to
respond to what Sandra said about TV. (again I may be clueless as to
what started the conversation but...)
WE don't have tv right now. We turned cable off for the summer
because we are too busy, but will be turning it back on in a month or
so.
I used to be totally against the tv because my oldest would spend
hours and hours watching anything and everything. But then one day I
started to tell him something about WW1. He spouted up and told me
reams of info on it. Where did you learn THAT? His answer TV. I
started letting him watch tv as much as he wanted. The result he
would watch for hours and then go out and play, ride his skateboard,
bike, whatever. Once I gave HIM the choice things changed. I have
also found that he learns best from TV and movies. He can watch a
documentary WHILE playing a computer game, or drawing or reading a
comic book and still have 100% recall and comprehension. I have, at
times, has to go look up info on whatever subject we wereviewing to
make sure he had his facts straight because I couldn't rememeber. He
is very dyslexic, reading the average novel takes him up to 3 months
(always with perfect comprehension) so I think his brain works
differently and that is fine.
And a word to the cooking shows, after a year of staring blankly at
them he began to cook. He would talk about a recipe he saw on tv and
then go prepare it. He also started buying cooking magazines. From
the age of 13 to 14 he was in the kitchen for hours a day. He no
longer cooks but the skills are here to stay, maybe to pop up later.
I don't think he would have had any interest in this had it not been
for hours of cooking shows on discovery.
Well gotta go to the pool.
Excuse typos, I am typing on a laptop in the HEAT. We Washintonians
can't take this TExas weather.
Nina
*********Email me for your FREE copy of The Edgy-catin' Mama
npackebush@...
in work and am currently visiting my dad in Texas) but I had to
respond to what Sandra said about TV. (again I may be clueless as to
what started the conversation but...)
WE don't have tv right now. We turned cable off for the summer
because we are too busy, but will be turning it back on in a month or
so.
I used to be totally against the tv because my oldest would spend
hours and hours watching anything and everything. But then one day I
started to tell him something about WW1. He spouted up and told me
reams of info on it. Where did you learn THAT? His answer TV. I
started letting him watch tv as much as he wanted. The result he
would watch for hours and then go out and play, ride his skateboard,
bike, whatever. Once I gave HIM the choice things changed. I have
also found that he learns best from TV and movies. He can watch a
documentary WHILE playing a computer game, or drawing or reading a
comic book and still have 100% recall and comprehension. I have, at
times, has to go look up info on whatever subject we wereviewing to
make sure he had his facts straight because I couldn't rememeber. He
is very dyslexic, reading the average novel takes him up to 3 months
(always with perfect comprehension) so I think his brain works
differently and that is fine.
And a word to the cooking shows, after a year of staring blankly at
them he began to cook. He would talk about a recipe he saw on tv and
then go prepare it. He also started buying cooking magazines. From
the age of 13 to 14 he was in the kitchen for hours a day. He no
longer cooks but the skills are here to stay, maybe to pop up later.
I don't think he would have had any interest in this had it not been
for hours of cooking shows on discovery.
Well gotta go to the pool.
Excuse typos, I am typing on a laptop in the HEAT. We Washintonians
can't take this TExas weather.
Nina
*********Email me for your FREE copy of The Edgy-catin' Mama
npackebush@...
Bridget E Coffman
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:52:01 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
turns on the TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV,
goes to bed? Because I do. I don't tell him he can't watch any but I
won't let him watch it to the exclusion of all else. Unfortunately, he
suffers from a family addictive personality. I had to limit MY OWN TV
too or I would do the same thing. And it isn't healthy for either one of
us.
Oh and by the way, I don't tell him WHAT to do when he turns it off, just
to do something else.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
>So, you are saying that you don't have a problem with a child who gets up
> This has been discussed at great length at www.unschooling.com
> (which I
> highly recommend everyone on this list read), and watching movies
> over and
> over, watching cooking shows, cartoons and construction shows could
> easily be
> greater learning activity than those other children who found
> something else
> to do.
>
> In the longrun, over a lifetime looking back, what you told him to
> do will
> rarely prove to have been as good for him as what he chose to do.
>
> Sandra
>
turns on the TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV,
goes to bed? Because I do. I don't tell him he can't watch any but I
won't let him watch it to the exclusion of all else. Unfortunately, he
suffers from a family addictive personality. I had to limit MY OWN TV
too or I would do the same thing. And it isn't healthy for either one of
us.
Oh and by the way, I don't tell him WHAT to do when he turns it off, just
to do something else.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
Bridget E Coffman
On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:33:24 -0000 npackebush@... writes:
Well, that and because I am cheap. We just watch what is available on
broadcast.
will do nothing physical. And I do mean NOTHING. And yes, he has had a
LONG spell of his choice. I was very ill for a long time and they were
all left to their own devices. The girls did other things too but he
just got more and more addicted to the tube.
Once I gave HIM the choice things changed. I have
from SOME of what he watches.
stuff that is on when there is nothing good on. It stems from an inside
joke here and is way to long to explain but it involves men and a lady
cooking scallops.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
> WE don't have tv right now. We turned cable off for the summerWe don't have cable because I can't have it or I won't get anything done.
> because we are too busy, but will be turning it back on in a month
> or so.
>
Well, that and because I am cheap. We just watch what is available on
broadcast.
> I used to be totally against the tv because my oldest would spendSee - now that is the big difference - when given the choice, Wyndham
> hours and hours watching anything and everything. But then one day I
>
> started to tell him something about WW1. He spouted up and told me
> reams of info on it. Where did you learn THAT? His answer TV. I
> started letting him watch tv as much as he wanted. The result he
> would watch for hours and then go out and play, ride his skateboard,
> bike, whatever.
will do nothing physical. And I do mean NOTHING. And yes, he has had a
LONG spell of his choice. I was very ill for a long time and they were
all left to their own devices. The girls did other things too but he
just got more and more addicted to the tube.
Once I gave HIM the choice things changed. I have
> also found that he learns best from TV and movies. He can watch aWyndham learns well from TV but I really don't think he is getting much
> documentary WHILE playing a computer game, or drawing or reading a
> comic book and still have 100% recall and comprehension. I have, at
> times, has to go look up info on whatever subject we wereviewing to
> make sure he had his facts straight because I couldn't rememeber. He
> is very dyslexic, reading the average novel takes him up to 3 months
> (always with perfect comprehension) so I think his brain works
> differently and that is fine.
>
from SOME of what he watches.
> And a word to the cooking shows, after a year of staring blankly atActually, I just threw in cooking shows because iot is what we call the
> them he began to cook. He would talk about a recipe he saw on tv and
>
> then go prepare it. He also started buying cooking magazines. From
> the age of 13 to 14 he was in the kitchen for hours a day. He no
> longer cooks but the skills are here to stay, maybe to pop up later.
>
> I don't think he would have had any interest in this had it not been
> for hours of cooking shows on discovery.
>
stuff that is on when there is nothing good on. It stems from an inside
joke here and is way to long to explain but it involves men and a lady
cooking scallops.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
M and L Hand
Wow, Bridget! Way to go, girl! Somebody here who actually tells a kid to do (or not to do) something! I thought I was all alone in having a few expectations!
Laurie
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Laurie
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/2001 12:07:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mandlhand@... writes:
you want to leave the list then leave. Why stay and intentionally go after
the way some people choose to parent?
lovemary
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mandlhand@... writes:
> Wow, Bridget! Way to go, girl! Somebody here who actually tells a kid toWoohoo, lets hear it for authoritarian parenting!!! Come on Laurie. . . if
> do (or not to do) something! I thought I was all alone in having a few
> expectations!
> Laurie
>
you want to leave the list then leave. Why stay and intentionally go after
the way some people choose to parent?
lovemary
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/7/01 11:13:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
lite2yu@... writes:
family...I didn't think I'd see it here. And this is a very direct honest
list. If there's a topic you're not comfortable debating, I'd not bring it
up. I think people here debate to further growth more than anything. (aside
from some occasional mudslinging :-)) When people are responding and
disagreeing, they're trying to open your eyes to something more than point
out your flaws. jmo.
brenda
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lite2yu@... writes:
> Woohoo, lets hear it for authoritarian parenting!!! Come on Laurie. . . ifI agree completely. I get enough 'geez are you crazy?' from my friends and
> you want to leave the list then leave. Why stay and intentionally go after
> the way some people choose to parent?
>
> lovemary
>
family...I didn't think I'd see it here. And this is a very direct honest
list. If there's a topic you're not comfortable debating, I'd not bring it
up. I think people here debate to further growth more than anything. (aside
from some occasional mudslinging :-)) When people are responding and
disagreeing, they're trying to open your eyes to something more than point
out your flaws. jmo.
brenda
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Dawn
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., lite2yu@a... wrote:
choose to do what they do... Maybe I need to take another look at the
definition of unschooling. My hope is that eventually I'll have the
trust to let my kids determine everything for themselves when it
comes to learning.
Dawn
> In a message dated 9/8/2001 12:07:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,a kid to
> mandlhand@y... writes:
>
>
> > Wow, Bridget! Way to go, girl! Somebody here who actually tells
> > do (or not to do) something! I thought I was all alone in havinga few
> > expectations!Laurie. . . if
> > Laurie
> >
>
> Woohoo, lets hear it for authoritarian parenting!!! Come on
> you want to leave the list then leave. Why stay and intentionallygo after
> the way some people choose to parent?I agree mary... I thought unschooling was about letting the kids
>
> lovemary
choose to do what they do... Maybe I need to take another look at the
definition of unschooling. My hope is that eventually I'll have the
trust to let my kids determine everything for themselves when it
comes to learning.
Dawn
M and L Hand
Dear lovemary,
When I join a list, I keep the "welcome, here is how to post, unsub, etc." messages in a special folder. I pulled out the one for this list and followed the instructions. I unsubbed and deleted the instructions for how to do so. Then I received a "confirm unsub" message, which I confirmed. I'm still here. I'm as confused by it as are the rest of you. I figure that since I'm still here, I might as well participate.
If anybody out there can tell me how to unsub for real, I'd be happy to try. I thought it was done. It shouldn't be this hard to leave.
Laurie
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When I join a list, I keep the "welcome, here is how to post, unsub, etc." messages in a special folder. I pulled out the one for this list and followed the instructions. I unsubbed and deleted the instructions for how to do so. Then I received a "confirm unsub" message, which I confirmed. I'm still here. I'm as confused by it as are the rest of you. I figure that since I'm still here, I might as well participate.
If anybody out there can tell me how to unsub for real, I'd be happy to try. I thought it was done. It shouldn't be this hard to leave.
Laurie
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Lynda
That type of unsubbing works when it wants to <g> The only for sure way to
unsub is to go to Yahoo to "my groups" and edit settings.
Lynda
unsub is to go to Yahoo to "my groups" and edit settings.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: M and L Hand <mandlhand@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] New posters and unschooling
> Dear lovemary,
>
> When I join a list, I keep the "welcome, here is how to post, unsub, etc."
messages in a special folder. I pulled out the one for this list and
followed the instructions. I unsubbed and deleted the instructions for how
to do so. Then I received a "confirm unsub" message, which I confirmed.
I'm still here. I'm as confused by it as are the rest of you. I figure
that since I'm still here, I might as well participate.
>
> If anybody out there can tell me how to unsub for real, I'd be happy to
try. I thought it was done. It shouldn't be this hard to leave.
>
> Laurie
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Bridget E Coffman
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:12:21 EDT lite2yu@... writes:
Either complete and utter freedom from birth or it's autoritarian
parenting.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
> In a message dated 9/8/2001 12:07:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,kid to
> mandlhand@... writes:
>
> Wow, Bridget! Way to go, girl! Somebody here who actually tells a
> > do (or not to do) something! I thought I was all alone in having afew
> > expectations!So what you are saying is that you think it is an all or nothing thing?
>> Laurie
> >
>
> Woohoo, lets hear it for authoritarian parenting!!!
>
> lovemary
>
>
Either complete and utter freedom from birth or it's autoritarian
parenting.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
[email protected]
In a message dated 09/08/2001 6:37:38 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
mandlhand@... writes:
Click Manange My Groups on the left-hand side of the page.
Click Edit My Groups on the upper right-hand corner of the page.
Find [email protected]
Change Emails to Unsubscribe.
That's how I do it for Yahoo Groups.
Nance
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mandlhand@... writes:
> If anybody out there can tell me how to unsub for real, I'd be happy to try.Go to www.yahoogroups.com
> I thought it was done. It shouldn't be this hard to leave.
>
> Laurie
>
>
Click Manange My Groups on the left-hand side of the page.
Click Edit My Groups on the upper right-hand corner of the page.
Find [email protected]
Change Emails to Unsubscribe.
That's how I do it for Yahoo Groups.
Nance
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/7/01 4:46:04 PM, rumpleteasermom@... writes:
<< So, you are saying that you don't have a problem with a child who gets up
turns on the TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV,
goes to bed? Because I do. >>
If you let go of the problem, it won't be a problem, in more ways than one.
And if I was providing nothing better to do (better meaning more interesting,
something outside the house which was stimulating thinking and conversation
and activity) then I wouldn't have a problem with one of my children watching
a lot of TV.
But NONE of them can or would do that every day for life unless the life
outside of it held no alure whatsoever.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
<< So, you are saying that you don't have a problem with a child who gets up
turns on the TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV, eats, watches TV,
goes to bed? Because I do. >>
If you let go of the problem, it won't be a problem, in more ways than one.
And if I was providing nothing better to do (better meaning more interesting,
something outside the house which was stimulating thinking and conversation
and activity) then I wouldn't have a problem with one of my children watching
a lot of TV.
But NONE of them can or would do that every day for life unless the life
outside of it held no alure whatsoever.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
[email protected]
> But NONE of them can or would do that every day for life unless theThis is such a good point Sandra. A child who has many options and
> life
> outside of it held no alure whatsoever.
>
> Sandra
interested parents will not always choose TV. A child may use TV as a
way to escape boredom, depression, unhappiness, insecurity, fear, etc:
and if this is the case, TV STILL isn't the problem.
I had a friend who was very uptight about how much TV her kids watched.
She was a neat freak and everything in her house always had to be put
away. Her kids never had stuff laying around. If they can never see
what's available to them how are they supposed to know if today would be
a good day for puppets or sewing or painting or whatever? But the TV was
always right there in the living room.
Deb L
Lynda
Hey, it is the newer and better Yahoo <g>
Lynda
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] New posters and unschooling
>
>
> Lynda wrote:
> >
> > That type of unsubbing works when it wants to <g> The only for sure way
to
> > unsub is to go to Yahoo to "my groups" and edit settings.
> >
>
> And even that takes some time - like a few hours!
>
> I don't know why they don't use computers to automate that process!!<g>
> Or why they have it take so long some times!
>
> --
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
>
>
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Bridget E Coffman
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:13:16 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
are addicted to gambling. It isn't that he has nothing else to do, it
isn't that he even likes what he watches. I KNOW because I have the same
problem. And yes, he would stay stuck to the tube endlessly even though
he has lots of other things he likes to do.
Then Deb L said:
I will have to watch this one closely as he grows. The girls at home are
a little less addictive, but my oldest who was given up at birth and has
reconnected went through rehab at 15. It's in the genes.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
>You obviously have not met Wyndham. He is addicted to TV the way people
> But NONE of them can or would do that every day for life unless the
> life outside of it held no alure whatsoever.
>
> Sandra
>
are addicted to gambling. It isn't that he has nothing else to do, it
isn't that he even likes what he watches. I KNOW because I have the same
problem. And yes, he would stay stuck to the tube endlessly even though
he has lots of other things he likes to do.
Then Deb L said:
>This is such a good point Sandra. A child who has many options andNope, TV is not the problem. A genetic predisposition to addiction is.
>interested parents will not always choose TV. A child may use TV as a
>way to escape boredom, depression, unhappiness, insecurity, fear, etc:
>and if this is the case, TV STILL isn't the problem.
I will have to watch this one closely as he grows. The girls at home are
a little less addictive, but my oldest who was given up at birth and has
reconnected went through rehab at 15. It's in the genes.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/01 1:37:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mandlhand@... writes:
Brenda
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mandlhand@... writes:
> If anybody out there can tell me how to unsub for real, I'd be happy to try.Maybe there's something for you to learn here? ;-)
> I thought it was done. It shouldn't be this hard to leave.
>
> Laurie
>
Brenda
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