M and L Hand

Could somebody let me know if this was or wasn't the list with the discussion on fluoride in toothpaste? I don't want to do a mass email of the link I found to 20 lists. This was my first guess, but if I'm wrong, I'll start sending it to the others.

Thanks,
Laurie


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jefferson academy

--- M and L Hand <mandlhand@...> wrote:
> Could somebody let me know if this was or wasn't the
> list with the discussion on fluoride in toothpaste?


I've only been following the list for about a month -
but there has not been any mention of it in that time.
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>From: "M and L Hand" <mandlhand@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: non-flouride toothpaste
>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:53:01 +1000
>
>Could somebody let me know if this was or wasn't the list with the
>discussion on fluoride in toothpaste? I don't want to do a mass email of
>the link I found to 20 lists. This was my first guess, but if I'm wrong,
>I'll start sending it to the others.
>
>Thanks,
>Laurie
>
>
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>


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M and L Hand

I can't begin to fill you in, but to believe the thread, there's a huge conspiracy about the safety of fluoride and it is really a poison and we shouldn't be ingesting it. I'm taking that "news" with a grain of salt, if you know what I mean, but I stumbled onto a site with non-fluoridated toothpaste and just wanted to help out the people who are looking for it. I didn't keep the posts (obviously!), so I can't tell you any more, but I'm sure you could come up with some information by doing a search. It had something to do with building the atomic bomb, as I recall.

Thanks for letting me know this is the wrong list. Hmm. Now which one was it????? Oh, dear.
Laurie



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Tracy Oldfield

I can't begin to fill you in, but to believe the
thread, there's a huge conspiracy about the safety of
fluoride and it is really a poison and we shouldn't be
ingesting it. I'm taking that "news" with a grain of
salt, if you know what I mean, but I stumbled onto a
site with non-fluoridated toothpaste and just wanted to
help out the people who are looking for it. I didn't
keep the posts (obviously!), so I can't tell you any
more, but I'm sure you could come up with some
information by doing a search. It had something to do
with building the atomic bomb, as I recall.

Thanks for letting me know this is the wrong list.
Hmm. Now which one was it????? Oh, dear.
Laurie 


Well, the dentist who wrote the LLL(GB) leaflet on
breastfeeding and dental health doens't use fluoride
tothpaste, and would only use it in teratment as a
topical application on rampantly decayed teeth. It's
one of those things that's been seen as 'good' and used
all over, without real 'proof.' I think it was used in
POW camps at some time/place to keep the inmates
subdued??

Scary what's accepted as good and useful that's really
really not...

Tracy

M and L Hand

Your comment reminded me that the same applies to public schooling!
Laurie
Scary what's accepted as good and useful that's really
really not...

Tracy


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Tracy Oldfield

Yup :-)

Tracy

Your comment reminded me that the same applies to
public schooling!
Laurie
 Scary what's accepted as good and useful that's
really 
 really not...

 Tracy


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Saga

Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), toothpaste and
supplement tablets (including some vitamins) were never tested for safety
before approval.

There has been some research stating that there may be a link between
fluoride and many things, including cancer (bone cancer specifically). It
does cause cancer in rats. There has been a "statistically significant" tie
between fluoridation and osteosarcoma rates in young males in New Jersey.
One thing I know of was an independent thing done by EMUD (East bay
municipal utility district in california) that showed that rats that drank
fluoridated water did get bone cancer.

Study by the National Toxicology Program on the effect of sodium fluoride on
rats and mice showed "that sodium fluoride does cause cancer at cumulative
doses comparable to those ingested by humans over a number of years. "

There was a study by neurotoxicologist and former Director of toxicology at
Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, showing that fluoride
built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage
was done and there was adverse behavioral problems. Offspring of pregnant
animals that received relatively low doses of fluoride showed ADD-like
symptoms and hyperactivity.
There has also been research showing it lowers IQs, etc, etc.

The US Center for Diseas Control has stated that fluoride helps teeth when
it is applied topically, not necessarily when ingested.

EPA scientists have attempted action against the EPA itself for failing to
protect public health when it comes to fluoridation of water.
During 1986-87, in a survey of 39,207 children between the ages of 5 and 17,
the US National Institute for Dental Research found children living in
fluoridated areas had 18% less tooth decay than children living in
non-fluoridated areas, based on Decayed, Missing and Filled tooth Surfaces.
Additional corrections raised this to 25%. However, in areas that were
high-decay the rate of decay actually increased in neighborhoods that had
fluoridated water (9.4%)
In other studies, including the largest ever carried out (400,000 students)
showed that tooth decay actually increased when fluoride was added to water.
It is important to know exactly the number involved when making the decision
(is it that important?).
In 1944, the Journal of the American Dental Association reported: ``With 1.6
to 4 ppm fluoride in the water, 50 percent or more past age 24 have false
teeth because of fluoride damage to their own."

Fluoride compounds in fluordiated water is toxic waste and is often
contaminated with lead, arsenic, and radio nuclides (something to think
about if you live in a fluoridated area like I do).
It has also been linked to excessive hip fractures. fluoride builds up in
the bones and causes bad changes to the bone structure.
In the UK one study showed that perinatal deaths was 15% higher than in
non-fluoridated areas.
China, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, The
Netherlands, Hungary, and Japan have all rejected, banned, or stopped
fluoridation of their water for various reasons.

For some information on where fluoride comes from and its effect on the
human body, one possible site is http://www.bruha.com/fluoride/

Hope that helps :)

Mercedes

There was a great article in Mothering Magazine a month ago (or was it this
month??)

eye-opening.
Fluoride is not necessary, especially in children with baby teeth.


-----Original Message-----
From: M and L Hand <mandlhand@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: non-flouride toothpaste


>I can't begin to fill you in, but to believe the thread, there's a huge
conspiracy about the safety of fluoride and it is really a poison and we
shouldn't be ingesting it. I'm taking that "news" with a grain of salt, if
you know what I mean, but I stumbled onto a site with non-fluoridated
toothpaste and just wanted to help out the people who are looking for it. I
didn't keep the posts (obviously!), so I can't tell you any more, but I'm
sure you could come up with some information by doing a search. It had
something to do with building the atomic bomb, as I recall.
>
>Thanks for letting me know this is the wrong list. Hmm. Now which one was
it????? Oh, dear.
>Laurie
>
>
>
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Lynda

The whole push for use of floride comes from government and big business.
It is a by product of the production of aluminum. Got to get rid of it
somehow, why not by "selling" it to the public.

Many cities are now choosing not to have it put in their city drinking water
because the all the newest research being done.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Oldfield <tracy.oldfield@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: non-flouride toothpaste


> I can't begin to fill you in, but to believe the
> thread, there's a huge conspiracy about the safety of
> fluoride and it is really a poison and we shouldn't be
> ingesting it. I'm taking that "news" with a grain of
> salt, if you know what I mean, but I stumbled onto a
> site with non-fluoridated toothpaste and just wanted to
> help out the people who are looking for it. I didn't
> keep the posts (obviously!), so I can't tell you any
> more, but I'm sure you could come up with some
> information by doing a search. It had something to do
> with building the atomic bomb, as I recall.
> 
> Thanks for letting me know this is the wrong list.
> Hmm. Now which one was it????? Oh, dear.
> Laurie 
> 
> 
> Well, the dentist who wrote the LLL(GB) leaflet on
> breastfeeding and dental health doens't use fluoride
> tothpaste, and would only use it in teratment as a
> topical application on rampantly decayed teeth. It's
> one of those things that's been seen as 'good' and used
> all over, without real 'proof.' I think it was used in
> POW camps at some time/place to keep the inmates
> subdued??
>
> Scary what's accepted as good and useful that's really
> really not...
>
> Tracy
>
>
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>

Johanna SanInocencio

My two oldest children have calcium deposits and weak teeth from ingesting
flouridated toothpaste when the permanent tooth buds were developing.
(between 2 and 4 years old). The dentist even said that was the cause and
the only solution is to cap the tooth. Otherwise it will just rot away
eventually because the enamel is not strong enough. Go figure.
Johanna
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Saga" <mom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: non-flouride toothpaste


> Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), toothpaste and
> supplement tablets (including some vitamins) were never tested for safety
> before approval.
>
> There has been some research stating that there may be a link between
> fluoride and many things, including cancer (bone cancer specifically). It
> does cause cancer in rats. There has been a "statistically significant"
tie
> between fluoridation and osteosarcoma rates in young males in New Jersey.
> One thing I know of was an independent thing done by EMUD (East bay
> municipal utility district in california) that showed that rats that drank
> fluoridated water did get bone cancer.
>
> Study by the National Toxicology Program on the effect of sodium fluoride
on
> rats and mice showed "that sodium fluoride does cause cancer at cumulative
> doses comparable to those ingested by humans over a number of years. "
>
> There was a study by neurotoxicologist and former Director of toxicology
at
> Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, showing that
fluoride
> built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage
> was done and there was adverse behavioral problems. Offspring of pregnant
> animals that received relatively low doses of fluoride showed ADD-like
> symptoms and hyperactivity.
> There has also been research showing it lowers IQs, etc, etc.
>
> The US Center for Diseas Control has stated that fluoride helps teeth when
> it is applied topically, not necessarily when ingested.
>
> EPA scientists have attempted action against the EPA itself for failing to
> protect public health when it comes to fluoridation of water.
> During 1986-87, in a survey of 39,207 children between the ages of 5 and
17,
> the US National Institute for Dental Research found children living in
> fluoridated areas had 18% less tooth decay than children living in
> non-fluoridated areas, based on Decayed, Missing and Filled tooth
Surfaces.
> Additional corrections raised this to 25%. However, in areas that were
> high-decay the rate of decay actually increased in neighborhoods that had
> fluoridated water (9.4%)
> In other studies, including the largest ever carried out (400,000
students)
> showed that tooth decay actually increased when fluoride was added to
water.
> It is important to know exactly the number involved when making the
decision
> (is it that important?).
> In 1944, the Journal of the American Dental Association reported: ``With
1.6
> to 4 ppm fluoride in the water, 50 percent or more past age 24 have false
> teeth because of fluoride damage to their own."
>
> Fluoride compounds in fluordiated water is toxic waste and is often
> contaminated with lead, arsenic, and radio nuclides (something to think
> about if you live in a fluoridated area like I do).
> It has also been linked to excessive hip fractures. fluoride builds up in
> the bones and causes bad changes to the bone structure.
> In the UK one study showed that perinatal deaths was 15% higher than in
> non-fluoridated areas.
> China, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, The
> Netherlands, Hungary, and Japan have all rejected, banned, or stopped
> fluoridation of their water for various reasons.
>
> For some information on where fluoride comes from and its effect on the
> human body, one possible site is http://www.bruha.com/fluoride/
>
> Hope that helps :)
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

[email protected]

<< The dentist even said that was the cause and
the only solution is to cap the tooth. >>

Dentistry isn't so forward looking sometimes.

Although the studies came out years ago that dental caries (cavities) are a
contagious disease, most dentists don't seem to know it or acknowledge it.
And weak enamel would need to be a hereditary (or prenatal, although that's
another "booga-booga") thing.

They like to have something to blame.

Sandra

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Glade I never made my kids continue taking the fluroide tablets their
dental hygienist gave them many years ago!

Laura

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Saga" <mom@p...> wrote:
> Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation),
toothpaste and
> supplement tablets (including some vitamins) were never tested for
safety
> before approval.
>
> There has been some research stating that there may be a link
between
> fluoride and many things, including cancer (bone cancer
specifically). It
> does cause cancer in rats. There has been a "statistically
significant" tie
> between fluoridation and osteosarcoma rates in young males in New
Jersey.
> One thing I know of was an independent thing done by EMUD (East bay
> municipal utility district in california) that showed that rats
that drank
> fluoridated water did get bone cancer.
>
> Study by the National Toxicology Program on the effect of sodium
fluoride on
> rats and mice showed "that sodium fluoride does cause cancer at
cumulative
> doses comparable to those ingested by humans over a number of
years. "
>
> There was a study by neurotoxicologist and former Director of
toxicology at
> Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, showing that
fluoride
> built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels.
Damage
> was done and there was adverse behavioral problems. Offspring of
pregnant
> animals that received relatively low doses of fluoride showed ADD-
like
> symptoms and hyperactivity.
> There has also been research showing it lowers IQs, etc, etc.
>
> The US Center for Diseas Control has stated that fluoride helps
teeth when
> it is applied topically, not necessarily when ingested.
>
> EPA scientists have attempted action against the EPA itself for
failing to
> protect public health when it comes to fluoridation of water.
> During 1986-87, in a survey of 39,207 children between the ages of
5 and 17,
> the US National Institute for Dental Research found children living
in
> fluoridated areas had 18% less tooth decay than children living in
> non-fluoridated areas, based on Decayed, Missing and Filled tooth
Surfaces.
> Additional corrections raised this to 25%. However, in areas that
were
> high-decay the rate of decay actually increased in neighborhoods
that had
> fluoridated water (9.4%)
> In other studies, including the largest ever carried out (400,000
students)
> showed that tooth decay actually increased when fluoride was added
to water.
> It is important to know exactly the number involved when making the
decision
> (is it that important?).
> In 1944, the Journal of the American Dental Association reported:
``With 1.6
> to 4 ppm fluoride in the water, 50 percent or more past age 24 have
false
> teeth because of fluoride damage to their own."
>
> Fluoride compounds in fluordiated water is toxic waste and is often
> contaminated with lead, arsenic, and radio nuclides (something to
think
> about if you live in a fluoridated area like I do).
> It has also been linked to excessive hip fractures. fluoride
builds up in
> the bones and causes bad changes to the bone structure.
> In the UK one study showed that perinatal deaths was 15% higher
than in
> non-fluoridated areas.
> China, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden,
The
> Netherlands, Hungary, and Japan have all rejected, banned, or
stopped
> fluoridation of their water for various reasons.
>
> For some information on where fluoride comes from and its effect on
the
> human body, one possible site is http://www.bruha.com/fluoride/
>
> Hope that helps :)

[email protected]

**Although the studies came out years ago that dental caries (cavities) are a

contagious disease, most dentists don't seem to know it or acknowledge it.

And weak enamel would need to be a hereditary (or prenatal, although that's

another "booga-booga") thing. **

Nope, it wouldn't. The permanent teeth don't finish forming until well after
birth, and their structure can be changed by all sorts of things at the time
they're forming.

Enamel flourosis isn't decay, although it can lead to decay, because in
severe cases the teeth are hard to clean properly, having pits and fissures.

Deborah

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In a message dated 8/29/01 10:40:41 PM, DACunefare@... writes:

<< Nope, it wouldn't. The permanent teeth don't finish forming until well
after
birth, and their structure can be changed by all sorts of things at the time
they're forming. >>

You're right. I was thinking of baby teeth. Kirby and Holly both had crummy
baby teeth but their permanent teeth seem much better. Marty has the teeth
of the other side of the family, and they were always straight and strong.



Sandra

"Everything counts."
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http://expage.com/SandraDodd

Tracy Oldfield

Dentistry isn't so forward looking sometimes.

Although the studies came out years ago that dental
caries (cavities) are a 
contagious disease, most dentists don't seem to know it
or acknowledge it. 
And weak enamel would need to be a hereditary (or
prenatal, although that's 
another "booga-booga") thing. 

They like to have something to blame.

Sandra

Interested in this, Sandra, I had heard that weak spots
in 'baby' teeth could someitems be caused by illness or
stress in pregnancy, and it could be traced by the
pattern of weakness, ie if the damamge was at the tips
then it would relate to some event at about the time
the teeth start growing. Do you know of a different
explanation?

Tracy